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Religion / Re: How Did They Do The BIBLE? (BIBLIOGY) by Maynman: 7:27am On Nov 19, 2023
SIRTee15:


The Muratorian cannon also affirmed the authorship of 1 John to be John the apostle.




https://www.newworldencyclopedia.org/entry/Muratorian_fragment
That's a lie, no where in your link did it mention 1john, and it's no more Johannine epistles 😂
Religion / Re: Can Spirit Be Destroy? by Maynman: 1:54am On Nov 19, 2023
NNTR:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yS1gpWb2pEE

Personal text: Jesus is not a theologian. He is God who told stories.
If not that you are dumb, when Jesus was given the parable, who were the audience?
Were the Pharisees and high priests there? Did they represent the rich men?
Did Lazarus represent Lazarus?
😂
Religion / Re: How Did They Do The BIBLE? (BIBLIOGY) by Maynman: 1:28am On Nov 19, 2023
SIRTee15:
What other works were authored by gospel writers?
Mark was the first Gospel to be written, how come you didn't address it?
The other unknown authors of the other gospels use mark work.

Who is the discple whom Jesus loved?
Read the book of john 😂

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Religion / Re: How Did They Do The BIBLE? (BIBLIOGY) by Maynman: 1:27am On Nov 19, 2023
SIRTee15:
?
Who wrote the John 1, John 2, John 3?
Who wrote the acts of apostles?
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Authorship_of_the_Johannine_works

Religion / Re: How Did They Do The BIBLE? (BIBLIOGY) by Maynman: 1:21am On Nov 19, 2023
SIRTee15:


More on objections raised in the video.


One of the most common objections to the authorship of the gospels is that they don’t include their names.
It's quite a common practice in ancient literary world for writers not to sign their works.
The popular book, the Republic of Plato was anonymous but correctly attributed to Plato.
Julius Caesar also did not sign his works and sometimes writes in 3rd person. Caesar's writings, including his commentaries on the Gallic and Civil Wars, were presented in the third person and did not include a personal signature.

It was not uncommon for individuals not to sign their literary or political works with their names.
The works of prominent figures in ancient Rome and Greece were often attributed to them by later scholars based on style, content, or other considerations rather than being explicitly signed by the authors themselves.
To discredit the gospels for being anonymous is to be disingenuous and crafty in thinking.

Besides we don’t have the original scrolls that the gospel authors wrote on, they very well could have signed it off informally and this wasn't copied on further scripts. A letter like Luke, addressed to a certain person, was unlikely to have originally been written anonymously.

The video also argued that since Matthew’s gospel refers to Matthew in the third person he couldn’t have been the author.
As shown earlier with Julius Caesar, it was common in writings at that time to refer to yourself in the third person when you weren’t the primary focus.
Another example of this is Josephus who depicted himself as 3rd person in some of his works.

He who had the first lot laid his neck bare to him that had the next, as supposing that the general would die among them immediately; for they thought death, if Josephus might but die with them, was sweeter than life; yet was he with another left to the last, whether we must say it happened so by chance, or whether by the providence of God.

Josephus, Jewish Wars 3.8.7


The video made a ridiculous statement that Matthew couldn’t have written Matthew’s gospel because he was an illiterate.
Matthew worked as a tax collector for the Roman government not the Jewish officials. He will need to communicate both verbally and written in greek to enable him function in his role otherwise he will be replaced.
And as shown in my previous thread. Some of jesus disciples had greek names and spoke greek.
It's just obstinacy in display to insist all Jesus disciples are illiterate.

As for John, I don't understand the guy's problem with a secretary. Even learned Paul sometimes use secretaries to write his epistles, and Peter equally confirmed he used secretaries to write his letters in 1st Peter.
LordReed unfortunately all what the guy has done is just compile well known anti gospel repetitive scripts and present it as of he has discovered something new.
It's the same bori g thrash as usual.
The video talked about papais on Matthew writing in Aramaic, and he wrote Logia (sayings) not a narrative Gospel.

How come you didn't address it which is the main basis of the video?
Religion / Re: How Did They Do The BIBLE? (BIBLIOGY) by Maynman: 1:17am On Nov 19, 2023
SIRTee15:

As for John, I don't understand the guy's problem with a secretary. Even learned Paul sometimes use secretaries to write his epistles, and Peter equally confirmed he used secretaries to write his letters in 1st Peter.
LordReed unfortunately all what the guy has done is just compile well known anti gospel repetitive scripts and present it as of he has discovered something new.
It's the same bori g thrash as usual.
When they arrested Jesus, all the discples fled, except the disciple whom Jesus loved and peter.
The disciple whom Jesus loved is not John.
Religion / Re: How Did They Do The BIBLE? (BIBLIOGY) by Maynman: 1:14am On Nov 19, 2023
SIRTee15:


More on objections raised in the video.


One of the most common objections to the authorship of the gospels is that they don’t include their names.
It's quite a common practice in ancient literary world for writers not to sign their works.
The popular book, the Republic of Plato [/i]was anonymous but correctly attributed to Plato.
Julius Caesar also did not sign his works and sometimes writes in 3rd person. Caesar's writings, including his commentaries on the Gallic and Civil Wars, were presented in the third person and did not include a personal signature.

It was not uncommon for individuals to sign their literary or political works with their names.
The works of prominent figures in ancient Rome and Greece were often attributed to them by later scholars based on style, content, or other considerations rather than being explicitly signed by the authors themselves.
To discredit the gospels for being anonymous is to be disingenuous and crafty in thinking.

Besides we don’t have the original scrolls that the gospel authors wrote on, they very well could have signed it off informally and this wasn't copied on further scripts. A letter like Luke, addressed to a certain person, was unlikely to have originally been written anonymously.

The video also argued that since Matthew’s gospel refers to Matthew in the third person he couldn’t have been the author.
As shown earlier with Julius Caesar, it was common in writings at that time to refer to yourself in the third person when you weren’t the primary focus.
Another example of this is Josephus who depicted himself as 3rd person in some of his works.

[i] He who had the first lot laid his neck bare to him that had the next, as supposing that the general would die among them immediately; for they thought death, if Josephus might but die with them, was sweeter than life; yet was he with another left to the last, whether we must say it happened so by chance, or whether by the providence of God.

Josephus, Jewish Wars 3.8.7


The video made a ridiculous statement that Matthew couldn’t have written Matthew’s gospel because he was an illiterate.
Matthew worked as a tax collector for the Roman government not the Jewish officials. He will need to communicate both verbally and written in greek to enable him function in his role otherwise he will be replaced.
And as shown in my previous thread. Some of jesus disciples had greek names and spoke greek.
It's just obstinacy in display to insist all Jesus disciples are illiterate.

As for John, I don't understand the guy's problem with a secretary. Even learned Paul sometimes use secretaries to write his epistles, and Peter equally confirmed he used secretaries to write his letters in 1st Peter.
LordReed unfortunately all what the guy has done is just compile well known anti gospel repetitive scripts and present it as of he has discovered something new.
It's the same bori g thrash as usual.
Plato had many books that were known that he wrote, outside of the gospel which did Matthew, john, mark and Luke write?

Your comparison is flawed.
Religion / Re: What Is Death? by Maynman: 1:12am On Nov 19, 2023
Michael547:

We would discuss this later today....I want to sleep now.....you can contact me on whatsapp on 08167469103 for easier communication. Good night.
No need, when you are ready to discuss how you accept big bang of billions of years ago and how you don't accept Evolution.
You'll also tell me how Big bang includes Adam and Eve.

Goodnight 😉
Religion / Re: What Is Death? by Maynman: 1:09am On Nov 19, 2023
Michael547:

I do.....it is a scientific fact. Accepting big bang does not remove the fact that someone supernatural was behind it. Even science today cannot really tell us the exact beginning of the universe or even life on earth. It is still largely a mystery in the scientific field.
Evolution is also a scientific fact.

Science tell us that life started on water and it's fact.

Since you accept big bang then you accept how universe began.
Religion / Re: What Is Death? by Maynman: 1:05am On Nov 19, 2023
Michael547:

I believe that life and the universe came as a result of a supernatural intervention from God. And that if there was a big bang or an inflationary phase that preceded the universe, it was caused by God. Genesis 1:1 admits that the universe had a beginning but it was caused by an intelligent creator referred to as 'God'.
So you don't accept big bang again?

Religion / Re: What Is Death? by Maynman: 1:01am On Nov 19, 2023
Michael547:

It depends on what you mean by evolution. I believe In micro evolution (changes in physical properties within a kind e.g different species of dogs) but not in macro evolution(Changing of a kind to another kind e.g fish can change to amphibian).
So where do you think all life comes from after the big bang?
Religion / Re: What Is Death? by Maynman: 12:56am On Nov 19, 2023
Michael547:

Yes I agree with the big bang.
So, evolution too?
Religion / Re: What Is Death? by Maynman: 12:56am On Nov 19, 2023
Michael547:

I have heard you oga.....I am not against science. Good night.
Then you will knowledge is going on every moment, better than living in the past.

Goodnight.
Religion / Re: What Is Death? by Maynman: 12:54am On Nov 19, 2023
Michael547:

Oga your pictorial evidence still shows that the universe had a beginning. If you like call it 100 billion years ago.
So do you agree with the big bang?
Because it was you that brought it in
Religion / Re: What Is Death? by Maynman: 12:54am On Nov 19, 2023
Michael547:

😆 🤣 😂......so all your knowledge is still an ongoing process and you are here telling me that you can fathom forever and existence but i cannot.
Oga even the scientists can never fathom forever. What we know today scientifically pertaining to the universe is that it had a beginning. Oga go and rest Mr 'existence' and forever🤣🤣.
Knowledge is always going on, more is Been added, that's why science has achieve in few decades what religion could not for centuries.
Religion / Re: What Is Death? by Maynman: 12:46am On Nov 19, 2023
Michael547:

Lol....so if the inflationary state was existing forever, why did it cause the big bang to happen only 13.8 billion years ago?
That's what the scientists know for now, we will have more on inflationary state as research goes on.

I don't think you can fathom "forever", existence always is.

Religion / Re: What Is Death? by Maynman: 12:41am On Nov 19, 2023
Michael547:

Oga if you read the whole article you would understand it. The article is not denying a beginning or a big bang occurrence, but is saying that the big bang was not the starting point....that something preceded and set up the big bang.
Was that something not in existence?

Did the article say the something have a beginning?
Religion / Re: What Is Death? by Maynman: 12:37am On Nov 19, 2023
Michael547:

Lol....show me where the article said the universe did not have a beginning or a big bang did not occur.
Read the whole article and it's there.
Especially the last one you posted.
Religion / Re: What Is Death? by Maynman: 12:35am On Nov 19, 2023
Michael547:

Oya explain the pics I posted
Read it yourself.
Religion / Re: What Is Death? by Maynman: 12:34am On Nov 19, 2023
Michael547:

Lol.....is the article denying that the universe had a beginning or that a big bang occurred? It is only arguing that something preceded the big bang.
And you said you read the article oo.

You have jumped to the word 'existence' as a place of soft landing after proving to you that matter and the universe in scientific terms had a beginning.

Bro, are you reading what you posted?
Religion / Re: What Is Death? by Maynman: 12:32am On Nov 19, 2023
Michael547:

What was the inflationary state made up of?
Is your god nothing?
If no
That means he must be made of something.
Religion / Re: What Is Death? by Maynman: 12:31am On Nov 19, 2023
Blacklion3:

What happens to people born blind or can't walk
A person born blind has never seen darkness nor light before, which means they have never seen a color before.
If you can't walk, you can't have the experience, have you noticed that when you walking, you are doing other things and Walking is just going on?
Religion / Re: Can Spirit Be Destroy? by Maynman: 12:29am On Nov 19, 2023
NNTR:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dB3dEH_ERSg

No one gives a Bleep about you
'cause you're a dickhead true
See your mate over there in the corner
He's a dickhead too like you, dickhead

If not that you are dumb, when Jesus was given the parable, who were the audience?
Were the Pharisees and high priests there? Did they represent the rich men?
Did Lazarus represent Lazarus?
😂
And here you are at almost 1am 😆
Religion / Re: Can Spirit Be Destroy? by Maynman: 12:26am On Nov 19, 2023
NNTR:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hTINBQGBM7Y

Personal text: Jesus is not a theologian. He is God who told stories.
If not that you are dumb, when Jesus was given the parable, who were the audience?
Were the Pharisees and high priests there? Did they represent the rich men?
Did Lazarus represent Lazarus?
😂
Religion / Re: What Is Death? by Maynman: 12:25am On Nov 19, 2023
Michael547:

What was the inflationary state made up of?
What is existence made of?

And mind you it was you that brought in big bang, I'm just riding with you.
Religion / Re: What Is Death? by Maynman: 12:18am On Nov 19, 2023
Michael547:

Can you see that your article too suggests that the universe had a beginning. It says that there are 'uncertainties and unknowns surrounding the beginning of the universe'. the article stressed the point that while the big bang occurred, it was preceeded by and set up by an inflationary state. So what caused the inflationary state that caused the big bang for the universe of space time and matter to appear?

Nowhere does this article deny that the universe had a start or beginning.
Can't you read?

Religion / Re: Can Spirit Be Destroy? by Maynman: 12:05am On Nov 19, 2023
NNTR:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UAQiO65Abn4

Personal text: Jesus is not a theologian. He is God who told stories.
The parable literally was for the Pharisees Luke 16:14.
Religion / Re: Can Spirit Be Destroy? by Maynman: 12:02am On Nov 19, 2023
NNTR:
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/QRKOSyLkNW4
If not that you are dumb, when Jesus was given the parable, who were the audience?
Were the Pharisees and high priests there? Did they represent the rich men?
Did Lazarus represent Lazarus?
😂
Religion / Re: Can Spirit Be Destroy? by Maynman: 11:56pm On Nov 18, 2023
NNTR:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hiRacdl02w4

Personal text: Jesus is not a theologian. He is God who told stories.
If not that you are dumb, when Jesus was given the parable, who were the audience?
Were the Pharisees and high priests there? Did they represent the rich men?
Did Lazarus represent Lazarus?
😂
Religion / Re: Can Spirit Be Destroy? by Maynman: 11:54pm On Nov 18, 2023
NNTR:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tb-fuN6GFTs

Personal text: Jesus is not a theologian. He is God who told stories.
Only a fool with take a parable literally.
Do you know how many examples of kingdom of heaven, Jesus used as example.

If not that you are dumb, when Jesus was given the parable, who were the audience?
Were the Pharisees and high priests there? Did they represent the rich men?
Did Lazarus represent Lazarus?
😂
Religion / Re: What Is Death? by Maynman: 11:47pm On Nov 18, 2023
Michael547:

Oga we are talking of universe, you are talking existence. Where did they write existence in all of the fact you are giving me. What was the universe that is made up of space time and matter, made up of before the big bang? That is the question.
Universe means everything that exists,
Where did they write Yahweh in it too?

Bro, read the link to find out
https://bigthink.com/starts-with-a-bang/evidence-universe-before-big-bang/
Religion / Re: What Is Death? by Maynman: 11:43pm On Nov 18, 2023
Michael547:

So what was the universe made up of before the big bang?
What is existence made of?

https://bigthink.com/starts-with-a-bang/evidence-universe-before-big-bang/

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