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Christianity Etc › Re: JOHN 3:16. by Maynman(op): 10:36pm On Dec 09, 2023

NNTR:

Born again Means come from above.
being born again” is ἄνωθεν, anothen, which means from above.

Christianity Etc › Re: JOHN 3:16. by Maynman(op): 10:35pm On Dec 09, 2023

Kobojunkie:
So, exactly what is the identity of the Spirit that came upon Jesus Christ and rested on Him after He was baptized? Aren't we getting ahead of ourselves by concluding that Jesus Christ had no spirit in Him until a spirit arrived and rested instead on him after he was baptized?

The spirit is the word of God, that was with God and all that.
Jesus was born a normal man and he got the holy spirit, same way David did

1 Samuel 16:13.
Then Samuel took the horn of oil and anointed David in the presence of his brothers, and the Spirit of the Lord came on David from that day forward. Then Samuel got up and went to Ramah.

Christianity Etc › Re: JOHN 3:16. by Maynman(op): 10:32pm On Dec 09, 2023

Kobojunkie:
Grace or Eternal Life comes by way of the Spirit of Life while Truth is a reference to the Spirit of Truth which John is said to have revealed Jesus was full of — already had in Him.

Jesus Christ confirmed what John said when He revealed that He was the embodiment of God's Truth(Spirit of Truth) and Life(Spirit of Eternal Life) in addition to the spirit of God's Law aka the Way.

The word is the spirit that came down from heaven, that's the reason why john was baptising with water so it can be revealed.

John 1:32-33
Then John gave this testimony: “I saw the Spirit come down from heaven as a dove and remain on him. 33 And I myself did not know him, but the one who sent me to baptize with water told me, ‘The man on whom you see the Spirit come down and remain is the one who will baptize with the Holy Spirit.’

Christianity Etc › Re: JOHN 3:16. by Maynman(op): 10:08pm On Dec 09, 2023

Kobojunkie:

All these was after he got the holy spirit from heaven.
John 1:32
Then John gave this testimony: “I saw the Spirit come down from heaven as a dove and remain on him.

And the same way the spirit descended, it will also be raised up.
John 19:30
30 When Jesus had received the sour wine, he said, "It is finished," and he bowed his head and gave up his spirit

Christianity Etc › Re: JOHN 3:16. by Maynman(op): 10:01pm On Dec 09, 2023

Kobojunkie:

Jesus Christ didn't say He came down from Heaven as a Son of man— spotting flesh and blood. Rather He said the only one who has ever gone up to heaven — who also wears the title Son of Man— is the same one who came down from Heaven. What Jesus Christ said in John 3 vs 13 is in response to the question hinted at by God in Deuteronomy 30 and Proverbs 30:4.

Jesus, son of Mary is not the son of man.
The son of man is the spirit which god gave to the world, it came from above
John 3:31
The one who comes from above is above all; the one who is from the earth belongs to the earth.

Only the spirit came from above
John 1:32
Then John gave this testimony: “I saw the Spirit come down from heaven as a dove and remain on him.

The verse you quoted on Deuteronomy was talking about the mosaic laws which has been ALREADY given, heaven means Shamayim that's the sky.

Christianity Etc › Re: JOHN 3:16. by Maynman(op): 9:47pm On Dec 09, 2023

Kobojunkie:
Premise #3(a): God is Spirit
Premise #3(b): God who is Spirit, in Genesis 2, created flesh and blood.

The breathe/spirit(neshema) came from God DIRECTLY.
Genesis 2 vs 7.
He breathed the breath of life into the man’s nose, and the man became a living thing. -

The flesh and spirit came from land, and land came from water(Mayim).
Genesis 1:9
And God said, "Let the waters under the sky be gathered together into one place, and let the dry land appear."

That's why you need to be born anew in water and spirit.
John 3:5.
Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.

Christianity Etc › Re: JOHN 3:16. by Maynman(op): 9:34pm On Dec 09, 2023

Kobojunkie:
Jesus Christ was referred to as both Son of man and Son of man to indicate that not only was he born of a human but also of God's Spirit.

Son of god and son of man is the spirit that descended from Heaven
John 3:13
No one has ever gone into heaven except the one who came from heaven—the Son of Man

Christianity Etc › Re: JOHN 3:16. by Maynman(op): 9:33pm On Dec 09, 2023

Kobojunkie:
Premise #1: The only life people get from their human parents— human father and human mother — is physical — flesh and blood alone.
Premise #2: The new life that the Spirit gives a person is spiritual.

Premise #3: God is Spirit
Also, in Genesis 2 we are told that flesh and blood were created by God who is Spirit.

Jesus Christ is written to have been born of both human and Spirit parents so clearly, a more logical conclusion that should follow is that Jesus Christ, having one human parent and one Spirit parent must have come as both flesh, blood, and spirit.

Spirit means breath, air or the wind.
John 3:8
The wind blows wherever it wants to. You hear it, but you don’t know where it is coming from or where it is going. It is the same with everyone who is born from the Spirit.”

When god created man, he breathe into him, the breathe is the spirit.
He breathed the breath of life into the man’s nose, and the man became a living thing. - Genesis 2 vs 7.
Spirit is also called neshema or Rauch or Nepesh in Hebrew

Jesus, son of Mary is just a mere man, his father his Joseph.
John 6:42
Is not this Jesus, the son of Joseph, whose father and mother we know? How does he now say, 'I have come down from heaven'?

The holy spirit descended on him after he was born again with water, which john the baptist testified.
John 1:32
Then John gave this testimony: “I saw the Spirit come down from heaven as a dove and remain on him.

Christianity Etc › Re: What Language Did Adam And Eve Speak? by Maynman: 7:57pm On Dec 09, 2023

Lawag3:
No you tell me. You ask questions that you don't have answers to.

Christianity Etc › Re: What Language Did Adam And Eve Speak? by Maynman: 7:56pm On Dec 09, 2023

Lawag3:
First Yahweh is a Canaanites God now is a desert God ?

Yes, he was adopted from shasu tribe, the isrealites are Cannanites.

Look up Cannanite religion

Christianity Etc › Re: What Language Did Adam And Eve Speak? by Maynman: 6:49pm On Dec 09, 2023

Lawag3:
God has always portrayed himself as the God of all men, not just the God of the Jews.

Yahweh is a common desert god that was adopted by the isrealites from the shasu tribe.

Here
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yahwism

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Christianity Etc › Re: What Language Did Adam And Eve Speak? by Maynman: 6:47pm On Dec 09, 2023

Lawag3:
It even lies and said the Bible reported a victory for the Israelites against king mesha of Moab which is false

Didn't you read that it's from Mesha Stele?

Everything if false from the history of Yahweh? 😂

Christianity Etc › Re: What Language Did Adam And Eve Speak? by Maynman: 6:46pm On Dec 09, 2023

Lawag3:
You've confirmed what I always thought of you. You copy and paste without understanding what you are arguing or talking about what's stopping you from copying and pasting the answers to each individual question?

Ok I have read now explain what is there, the points in there bring them out let's start from there.

Who is Baalam god?

Christianity Etc › Re: Did The Exodus Really Happen? by Maynman: 3:40pm On Dec 09, 2023

NSNO:
That exodus story is too detailed for it to be completely false.

How is it detailed?

Psalm 78:13: “He divided the sea and caused them to pass through; and He made the waters stand up like a heap.”

How deep was the red sea where Moses crossed?

Christianity Etc › Re: What Language Did Adam And Eve Speak? by Maynman: 3:35pm On Dec 09, 2023

Lawag3:
Now answer my previous questions

Since you said the Christian God is an idol in ancient Israel ?

What is their mode of worship?

What kind of sacrifices did they offer?

Did they have an image of this god?

Was this god worshipped in the temple of Jerusalem?

Were ordinary Jews allowed to see this god?

Answer this question and stop playing around from the answers you give I will give you proofs that the creation God is not an idle.

All the questions have been answered here, https://www.worldhistory.org/Yahweh/
Don't be an hypocrite, READ on how your creator, Yahweh is just a common god that was made a national god by the isrealites, just as the Moab made chemosh their own national god.

Christianity Etc › Re: What Language Did Adam And Eve Speak? by Maynman: 3:32pm On Dec 09, 2023

Lawag3:
Balaam was a moabite and he worshipped God.

Who was baalam God?
https://www.thetorah.com/article/who-was-balaams-god-yhwh-el-or-bull-el

Sports › Re: The NBA Begins by Maynman: 11:17pm On Dec 08, 2023

Christianity Etc › Re: Shiloh: I Became A Minister After Bishop Oyedepo Prayed For Me - Betta Edu by Maynman: 9:47pm On Dec 08, 2023

Pathetic.

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Sports › Re: The NBA Begins by Maynman: 8:42am On Dec 08, 2023

Afromentalist:
Halliburton is a baller and it's nice he gets some love on national tv, but he should calm down with the Dame time thingy.

I don't think he meant any beef with Dame, he was just in the mood after he made that dagger 🗡️.

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Christianity Etc › Re: GOD is The One That Answers All Prayers Made To Any Deity (not The Deity) by Maynman: 7:46am On Dec 08, 2023

jom28gy:
There is truth in it, God answerth prayers no any other gods

Does he answer prayers that causes harm too?

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Christianity Etc › Re: JOHN 3:16. by Maynman(op): 9:02pm On Dec 07, 2023

budaatum:
You must not forgive me for saying "sitting on a bud". Lol.

You and I must someday review how our relationship got where it's currently at so we may learn for the future.

😂😂

Yeah, right bro.

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Christianity Etc › Re: JOHN 3:16. by Maynman(op): 8:54pm On Dec 07, 2023

Dtruthspeaker:
Change of Post.

ChAnGe Of PoSt.

Christianity Etc › Re: JOHN 3:16. by Maynman(op): 8:08pm On Dec 07, 2023

budaatum:
It already has. Church of England schools have been teaching Buddhism (and Hinduism and Islam amongst others) for decades now and don't indoctrinate with belief anymore. We are just waiting for the teachings to be exported to the masses elsewhere.

Awesome.

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Christianity Etc › Re: JOHN 3:16. by Maynman(op): 7:54pm On Dec 07, 2023

budaatum:
Years ago we used to illustrate it with Plato's allegory of the Cave. It correctly describes why Jesus got crucified, which is one reason I prefer smarter Buddha for not 'dying for anyone', though I must recognise that a society struggling to understand the Bible can not possibly be ready for the copious amount of Dhamma that exists.

The society has been indoctrinated with the ceramic way of life, that's, in thinking the universe was molded by a Potter, Buddha's teaching will rattle the society especially the West.

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Christianity Etc › Re: JOHN 3:16. by Maynman(op): 7:43pm On Dec 07, 2023

Dtruthspeaker:
Like you have done the work of Satan your father and like your father, Revelation 20:10 is coming for you.

"The earliest Christian writings, the Pauline epistles, do not contain any mention of a virgin birth and assume Jesus's full humanity, stating that he was "born of a woman" like any other human being and "born under the law" like any Jew."

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Christianity Etc › Re: JOHN 3:16. by Maynman(op): 7:41pm On Dec 07, 2023

budaatum:
Many would rather others be responsible for them and their actions than they be responsible for themselves and their actions. Guess that's why some are here being responsible by teaching them to be responsible for themselves.

💯, Reminds me of an article I wrote about the Crowd, "The more you become one with the crowd, the less your feeling of responsibility and answerability."
https://www.nairaland.com/7881371/crowd

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Christianity Etc › Re: JOHN 3:16. by Maynman(op): 7:29pm On Dec 07, 2023

Dtruthspeaker:
Even when you know that born of flesh includes sex and sperm of a man but you saw Jesus born of The Spirit with no sex not sperm!

When God comes to avenge Himself of all people like you, you will definitely regret that you ever were born and made to read.

John 3:4 can he enter the second time into his mother's womb, and be born.
John 3:6 That which is born of the flesh is flesh, and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.

Jesus, son of Mary, is dead and gone, he has done the works that his father gave him.

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Christianity Etc › Re: JOHN 3:16. by Maynman(op): 7:25pm On Dec 07, 2023

budaatum:
Can't say it's "easy indeed" though, since it's not what is learnt by most despite all its teaching in just about every religion worth its salt.

Yeah, I think people find it easier to believe someone died for their sins than to actually love their neighbor.

Christianity Etc › Re: JOHN 3:16. by Maynman(op): 7:15pm On Dec 07, 2023

budaatum:
.

Jesus message was straightforward, and his yoke/yoga is easy indeed, his whole message is summarized in john 15:17.

Christianity Etc › Re: What Language Did Adam And Eve Speak? by Maynman: 7:09pm On Dec 07, 2023

Lawag3:
I have already read it your answers will help me prove it you.

What exactly did you read on it

https://www.worldhistory.org/Yahweh/

Christianity Etc › Re: What Language Did Adam And Eve Speak? by Maynman: 6:44pm On Dec 07, 2023

Lawag3:
Since you said the Christian God is an idol in ancient Israel ?

What is their mode of worship?

What kind of sacrifices did they offer?

Did they have an image of this god?

Was this god worshipped in the temple of Jerusalem?

Were ordinary Jews allowed to see this god?

Please answer this questions this will be of help to me.

It was you that said the Christian god is not an idol, bring evidence for it.

If you need help, this will cure it, https://www.worldhistory.org/Yahweh/

Christianity Etc › JOHN 3:16. by Maynman(op): 6:43pm On Dec 07, 2023*

For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever has faith [ pistis ] in Him should not perish but have everlasting [ αἰώνιος , aiónios , aeonic ] life.

The Gospel of John is unique among the Gospel books. It isn't based on the Book of Mark, which serves as the foundation for the other synoptic gospels (Matthew and Luke). John's Gospel differs in its terminology, details, and notably in its symbolism, as seen from the very beginning in John 1:1, the Logos. Many verses that Christians use to support the divinity of Jesus are found in the Book of John.
Let's explore it further; please open to the Book of John and follow along.

John 3:16 serves as a fundamental mantra for the average Christian, deeply ingrained in their subconscious. However, many may not fully grasp the verse's true meaning.

Understanding the context surrounding John 3:16 is crucial to decipher its significance.
In John chapter 3:1-6, a Pharisee leader approached Jesus seeking guidance on entering the kingdom of heaven. Jesus explained the necessity of being born anew through two means: one through water and the other through the Spirit.
The man questioned how he could be reborn as he couldn't re-enter the womb. In John 3:6, Jesus responded that flesh gives birth to flesh, while the spirit gives birth to spirit.
This subtle insight highlights that anyone born from the WOMB is born of Flesh. The fabricated virgin birth of Jesus is redundant since it still involves birth from the womb, thus of the FLESH.

In John 3:16, the son that God begets is the SPIRIT. This is supported by two points:
(1)God is a spirit (John 4:24).
(2)Spirit begets spirit (John 3:6).
Accordingly, the only offspring of God is the SPIRIT, not Jesus, the son of Mary.
Flesh can continue to give birth only to what it has always produced.

So, How did Jesus, son of Mary end up as the Son of God?
The story of John the Baptist and Jesus' baptism is remarkably intriguing and stands as one of the most significant narratives in the Gospels. Surprisingly, even the virgin birth of Jesus, absent in the first Gospel written—Mark—is considered less crucial. However, the tale of John the Baptist appears in all the Gospels.

John clarifies that the primary purpose of his baptism was to reveal the SPIRIT, as stated in John 1:31, emphasizing the unveiling of the Spirit to both himself and Israel.

Following Jesus' baptism, the SPIRIT of God DESCENDED from HEAVEN and REMAINED upon him. This pivotal moment, detailed in Mark 1:10-11, marks the point at which Jesus became the Son of God. Before this event, Jesus neither possessed the SPIRIT nor held the title of the Son of God.

John's baptism brought about two immediate outcomes: as soon as jesus emerged from the water, having been immersed in it, this significant transformation took place:
1) It revealed the bearer of the Spirit to John the Baptist and the nation of Israel (John 1:31).
2)It bestowed the Spirit upon Jesus, thereby making him the Son of God (John 1:32).

In Mark 1:12, immediately following the baptism, Jesus was led by the SPIRIT into the wilderness to undergo Testing, Instruction, and Ministering for forty days and nights.
The significance of this duration—forty days—is not coincidental but carries specific symbolic meaning in Jewish tradition, representing a period of Testing and Judgment:
A) It echoes Israel’s forty years in the Sinai desert after the exodus, a time explicitly referred to in Scripture as a test of the people's faithfulness (Deut 8:2-3).
B) It recalls the forty days and nights of rain sent by Yahweh as a form of judgment (Gen 7:4, 12, 17; 8:6).
C) Moses spent "forty days and forty nights" on Mount Sinai receiving the legal statutes of the Torah (Exodus 34:28).

Returning to the Book of John, after John the Baptist witnessed the SPIRIT descending upon jesus, he testified to this event in the presence of two of his disciples. As a result of John's testimony, these two disciples, Andrew and Judas, began following Jesus (John 1:35-37).
These two, Andrew and Judas, with Jesus were the ones who officially initiated the Gospel.
Note: Judas was formerly a disciple of John the Baptist, he is also recognized as the one whom Jesus loved. https://www.nairaland.com/7888378/other-disciple-whom-jesus-loved

It was only after the SPIRIT descended upon Jesus that his Gospel, his revelation, commenced. This marked the moment when he became the Son of God and began performing signs and miracles.
Jesus kick-started his gospel by delivering a message rooted in Isaiah 61, emphasizing the SPIRIT being upon him after his anointing.

Jesus, at the age of thirty (as mentioned in Luke 3:23), had been regularly attending the synagogue. However, before his baptism, he had not preached in the synagogue, nor been recognized as a Rabbi, or performed any signs or wonders because he lacked the SPIRIT.
Additionally, despite people selling various items in the synagogue, Jesus had been aware but did not take offense at it until after the SPIRIT DESCENDED upon him. It was only after this event, as stated in John 2:16, that he declared he wouldn't allow it, emphasizing the sanctity of the synagogue as his father's house.

Note: The Ebionites, one of the original and earliest followers of Jesus movement, became extinct by the 3rd century. Originating in and around Palestine during the first century AD, they rejected Orthodox doctrines such as Jesus' divinity, virgin birth, and substitutionary atonement. With the influence of Roman authority, these Jewish sects were later labeled as heretical.
http://www.vexen.co.uk/religion/ebionites.html

To briefly summarize the whole article, simply read:
John 3:16: "For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son....."

John 4:24: "God is spirit......"

John 3:6: "Flesh gives birth to flesh, but the Spirit gives birth to spirit."

John 1:32: "...... 'I saw the Spirit come down from heaven as a dove and remain on him'.

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