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Steep:
they don't need to be omniscent. Your argument is "if something is known before it happens then the person that has that knowledge caused it.
So is scientist know for sure that something will happen then they are the cause right?

Stop lying my argument was “ If he knows all things how did you exercise your free will?”
if you have someone that’s omniscience then you have no free will.
If all things is known how did you have free will?

Steep:
government told you for exwmol3 that they are going to increase price of Goods the following week going by your dumb logic you are the cause because you knew about it before.

If I know the prices of Goods I am omniscience like your god according to your dumb logic?

Steep:
So if you know that fuel would be sold for 1000 naira in few months time it means you caused it? Does that makes sense to you?

I cannot know, i can only predict.
I’m not omniscience, do you know what “omniscience” means?
You are yet to make sense.

Steep:
So going by your logic m, scientist who knows when, and exact time, where eclipse would occur cursed eclipse right?

Scientists don’t know they predict, they are not Omniscience.

Steep:
It is just and analogy, you know that at a certain time rain would fall does that mean you caused the rain?

No, if I know the EXACT time, where and how the rain will fall, EXACT time it will stop, that means i caused it.
I am omniscience, i planned everything.

Steep:
because love means seeking the good and well fair of others.

Good, So if i lie to save myself from death how is it wrong?

Steep:
Take for example, you know your child would brake the glass table and he broke the table does that mean your son doesn't have free will?

How did you know your child would break it?
Am I Omniscience?

Steep:
love is God's nature, God cannot say so because rape is contrary to his nature.

What makes rape contrary to his nature?
So he does not the power to say rape is good, is he also under the universally law?

Steep:
apples and oranges.
God knows all things but allows us exercise our free will.

“But”
If he knows all things how did you exercise your free will?

Steep:
yes God knows all things.

How then do you have free will?

Steep:
No God is love personified

1 John 4:16 And we have known and believed the love that God hath to us. God is love; and he that dwelleth in love dwelleth in God, and God in him.
Just as he is omniscient, omnipresent, omnipotent, so he is all loving, all righteous all holy, etc

So your god decides what love is?
He can say rape is love, just like you said earlier that he can say rape is a good thing abi

Steep:
God is a loving God that is why he created us with mind and free will.

Does your god know everything?

Steep:
exactly, that is why it would be contradictory to his nature as a loving God. However m, if God does not exist humans would have no value inherently and so love or hate will make no difference ultimately.

Is he under the law of love?
Or he decides what is love and hate?
Does love and hate exist without yahweh?
Or he is the one that decides what is love and hate?
He can also decide rape is a lovely thing and he will still be a loving god.

Steep:
He is good because apart from his laws he gave mean a mind and free will to determine the truth and verify his goodness.

How is he good if he is the one deciding what is good and bad?
He can decide rape is good and he will still be good abi

Steep:
You have no basis for it, the only reason you don't rape is because of your conscience, which God placed in you.
A lion does not know whether rape is good or bad, nether does a chimp but you know because you are made in God's image.

But according to you if god said rape is good my conscience would have said rape is good right?

Why did david rape another man’s wife, was he not created in elohim image?

According to you, rape itself is neither good or bad, your god decides which is at some time and another time

Steep:
If God make rape to be a good thing then rape becomes good, ultimately without God no basis for morality.

what is the basis of morality as an atheist?
But free will does not exist in the atheistic world view.

So nothing is good or bad then except what your god says, why call him a good god then if he decides what is good and bad?

I don’t need a basis to not be a rapist unlike you.

Steep:
yes but God did not command him to do so.

Who granted his command to kill those kids?
Where was the “universal morality” then?
Is elijah not a theist?

Steep:
what is the basis of morality as an atheist?
But free will does not exist in the atheistic world view.

I don’t need a basis to not be a rapist like you, if your god said rape is good then is good, so what’s the basis of your morality then?

How can you have free will when your god is omniscience?

Steep:
My world view is that God created everybody so doing harm to anybody is wrong universally, atheism has no room for this.

Why did elijah kill those little kids then?

Steep:
If God says rape is good then it will be good. My question is, hopefullandlord
can you from an atheistic world view establish why rape is bad?


As a theist I believe God exist and as God he alone decide what is right and wrong because he created all things.
A Mercedes car makes a car an add the manual on how to operate the car, you don't go about ranting why Mercedes company should be the one dictating how the car should be driven and the maintenance of it.

What makes a thing good if your god can say rape is good?
If someone is deciding what is wrong or bad then how can we call that person a good god, since he is always changing and deciding what’s good and bad?
And how is that “objective morality”?

A mercedes car does not have a free will.

Steep:
when did yahweh ask Abraham to lie?

Yahweh is going against himself ?
Didn’t you just say yahweh is against lying to save yourself?

Steep:
Because God is against it.
You are beating about with no bearing, atheism has no basis for objective morality,

Is something good because yahweh decrees it to be good, or does yahweh decree something to be good because it is in good in itself?

You will be a rapist if your god told you to be, you don’t know what morality means

Steep:
It is wrong regardless

What makes it wrong?

Your yahweh was wrong when he asked abraham to lie then.

Steep:
It means what is having a universal morality.

Is lying moral?
Is lying to save your life moral?

Kobojunkie:
Both of them are God. Did you not bother to read what I posted at all?

What makes a “God”?

Steep:
that is because those countries are borrowed from Judeo-Christian world view.
The argument is that atheism has no basis for morality and so far no reasonable reply.

“Judeo christian worldview”, When was judaism and christianity created?
There was no morality before then?

Steep:
No Not just because yaweh decreed it but morality exist because we are all created by God and therefore has innate value, the atheistic world view does not allow for such.

So good exist without yahweh?
And yahweh is under this law as he is a good god abi

What’s the atheistic view?

Steep:
You cannot be an atheist and have an objective morality meaning morality values that is true to everyone regardless of region, tribe, race or gender?

Meaning you cannot say murder, lying, fraud, cheating, or any vice is objectively wrong but that does not mean that atheists are not moral only that they have no basis to say this or that is absolutely wrong.

Is something good because yahweh decrees it to be good, or does yahweh decree something to be good because it is in good in itself?

sonmvayina:
You are always off point in every thread....

Bring your mind back home..

You are the one that don’t understand basic things.

I ask again, what’s “earth” in hebrew?
Is it a planet?
The tanakh verse you are quoting you don’t even understand.

NzogbuNzogbu:
dumb head you have returned to this your theos athiesm bladadash

It's like it's the name you are obsessed with, you keep saying read and know what it means even when all you know about it is theism believe in xyz and athiesm doesn't believe in gods/God

Why don't you start by bringing the so called hidden meaning that the world doesn't know about them instead of the stale repetition

You lack the knowledge of what it means, yahweh worshipper.

You don’t even know theism and atheism are greek words.
Worshippers of zeus and other theos are theists.

efe21:
Bloody fool. Die in your unbelief. Who you help. Jesus Christ is real. God is real. Heaven is real and hell is real. You are condemn already for writing all the stupid things you have been writing bloody fool.

I keep returning to it since you lack the definition of it.
Die worshiping israelite god, yahweh.
Your iesus chrestus son of yahweh only exists on the pages of New Testament.

Yahweh worshipper you have been duped

NzogbuNzogbu:
ok now that you have left gear one with shame

Let me educate you a little, in Freemason you either believe in Yaweh or allah because that's the two books available in the lodges to swear to.

So in no way that theos or believe in science or even yourself or nothing applied in masonry.


The correlation between athiesm and freemason is that Charles Darwin work on the "evolution" greatly if not singlehandedly is the greatest theory out there that contributed to the supposed disapproval of the Bible account of man creation history.

In summary Darwin work contributed to an extreme degree why people felt the need not to believe in gods/God since something else accounted for man history

Now the reality is Darwin who himself didn't believe in gods/God and created his work to convince people why the Bible account on man creation was false actually did believe in God/gods and had a thiesm motive on leading people in that direction

There is another gear to this if you really want to learn on how you got played

Illiterate, yahweh and allah are theos. They are not books.
That’s why i said you should learn what atheism means it comes from atheos.
The opposite of atheism is theism not freemason.
A satan worshipper is a theist. Satan is a theos.

You are ignorant that is why you are a believer.