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Steep:
My friend you know what morality is, everyone knows, regardless whether you accept it or not.
Whether societies agree with it or not it does not make it right.

What is the morality that everyone knows, mention one.

What makes something right if the the society has no say to it?

Steep:
Why are you running away from the answer, is murder subjective?

If you ask the children that samuel killed their father, do you think they will say that samuel murdering their father is right?

Steep:
You are nor making sense, God is the ultimate law giver and Judge. He could Judge anyone, societies that contravene his law regardless you agree with UT or not, it does not count.

Exactly you don’t know what morality means, you are only following orders and laws of your god.
If your god says you should kill someone for seducing you, you will follow the order

You are yet to answer my question, when did “Christianity” went to rome?
Your new testament was written in Rome language lol

PoliteActivist:
The ONLY person without Google!
Here, here's one:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Persecution_of_Christians_in_the_Roman_Empire#:~:text=Although%20it%20is%20often%20claimed,living%20in%20the%20Roman%20Empire.

Emperor Nero was persecuting Chrestians.
https://www.nairaland.com/7475870/chrestians-started-fire-rome
There was nothing like “christianity” during nero time.

Talking about google, have you look up yahweh the israelite god on it?
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yahweh

Mynametoluilori:
Nicknames takes you away from what your destined name is, you can have a destined name that means something great for you and be given a nickname from an ungodly person , can ungodly person give a Godly nickname ?

Your surname was given to you by which godly person?

And the godly name you have is probably a jewish name

victme1:
Hmmmm have you ever experienced Hunger before, have you ever slept with nothing to eat and with no hope of what to eat? Do you have kids yourself or siblings.
Do you know the extent you will go to fend for them

You asking that will the cheating be reversed?
My response is does the punanny have Meter?

Someone is helping with your responsibility being a failed husband and you are not appreciative. The should eve be fanning the Sugardady when he is fucking is wife in appreciation.
Because you get prik for under you too the call yourself Man, yeye man. Tufiaka!
The man is a useless husband and father.he is also a coward.
Such men should be tagged Terrorist!

Can’t they work like how normal people do?

Steep:
So if a Judge Judge sentence a criminal to death it means committing murder is subjective?

Yes, some countries don’t allow death sentences no matter the offence.
Even in countries that does death sentences, Have you forgotten we have different degrees of murder and not all warrant the criminal should be killed.

Also the idea of a judge and a court is a gradual human thinking, when israelites were killing women because they were SEDUCING them, which judge ruled it?

Killing someone after they killed someone, what’s the morality behind it?

PoliteActivist:
Who do you think the Romans were persecuting and feeding to animals?

Who were they persecuting?
Send link where you read so

PoliteActivist:
Yet the same Christianity went to Rome and told them that Zeus who helped them conquer the world doesn't exist that the only true power was Christ. They did same in Africa - told them all their gods were powerless. In the end they were proven totally right!

When did “christianity” went to rome?

jesusjnr2020:
They don't really know what they're asking for.

During slavery where was this thunder and lightning against slave owners?

Christians are more extremists than muslims.

frozen70:
You have quickly condemned her for going extra miles to feed a foolish man's children while he is still alive

Why not crucify him for starving his family yet rock his world to the detriment of his family

What makes you different from him

Are they not her children too? Is she not also feeding her children?
Why is that the next option to do is to cheat on your husband?
Is just like an armed robber saying he stole because he was hungry and he wasn’t paid at his workplace.

Crucifying the guy and her cheating is not correlated.
If the man start providing will that reverse the cheating?

Steep:
Israelities could buy slaves from outside Israel which was a form of God's judgment for their wicked ways.
Just as a judge can take a murderers life even though take one's life is objectively wrong.

In some instances slavery is not objectively wrong right

Nawa4nl:
This wan na Bobrisky in disguise

LGBT is not a religion but a perversion.

Traditional worship is actually idol worship.

The two are not related

So stop trying to justify Bone On Bone

Every religion is traditional.

Please the opposite of atheism is theism not Christianity.

See what religion is turning you into. You’re not incoherent again.

Steep:
Seduction can be fatal if the purpose is seducing someone in other to kill him then the seductress deserves death.
Virgins obviously were not among those who slept with the men in order to lure them to their destruction.

Killing the king was justice because the king has done murdered innocent people unjustly.

A seductress deserves death wow.
And it’s all the women except the virgins that seduced them.
How did they sleep with the men? Did they force the men?
So because virgins were not among them they should have the virgins for themselves? What is rape?

So jungle justice is right when it concerns a Murderer just as samuel killed the king?

Steep:
They have, everyone know what is wrong or what is right, it is universal, but people choose to ignore it, just as they reject God.

So seducing someone warrants death?
If it is universal why did your god tell people to take virgins for themselves?
Who told samuel to kill the king, did samuel did good?
Will that king children think samuel did good by killing their father?

Steep:
thee is slavery because it is a broken world of sin?

So what is objective good then if it’s world of sin?
The morality you have now where is it from?

Steep:
The slaves where not taken to be oppressed, by the way why do you have prisoners of war then?
Go ahead answer

Why should there be slaves in the first place?

The people taking prisoners of war don’t have universal morality?

If someone seduces, the person should be killed according to steep.

FxMasterz:
See the screenshot below. See what I said before you answered that "If my son..."

And actually, I'm not offended. I only rejected the personalization. And, truly, I'm not interested in dragging endless arguments.

Yes, i was talking about my son. “If my son”,
if i was talking to you I would have said “if your son” 😂

Steep:
I am not a woman, by the way.
Does a judge have the right to sentence a criminal?
Do you have the right that a judge have? Why?

A judge has a right to sentence a convicted criminal that has been found guilty, he can’t sentence just anyone on the street, he is also under the law and sentences people within it.
Before judges and courts were created, who did you think had the right to sentence people?
When samuel killed that king, which judge sentenced it?
When israelites were killing women because they seduced them, which judge sentenced it?
And is it universally morally right to kill someone that seduces you?

FxMasterz:
You were the one who gave a personalized answer to a scenario I painted. I never directed words at you or your son. I'm not going into any further argument about this.

And also I wouldn't argue the Bible with you because it would end fruitlessly. Neither you nor I would agree to anything. So, let it rest.

How did i give a personalized answer?
What words did i use that you didn’t use and more?
I dislike people that can’t take what they dish out, i was only making an example, how you suddenly got offended by it after you have done the same to me countless times is amazing.
It’s you that took it personal.

The bible means collection of books.
We have the christian bible called New Testament and the Old Testament that belongs to judaism and it’s called Tanakh.

You can’t argue facts, if you can present your facts about the “bible” then why would i argue?

Exposing Yahweh the isrealite god is easssyyy.

Theists and their various gods claiming superiority can show it now, I’m rooting for zeus

Steep:
Isaiah 45:7 I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things.

The comparison is between evil and peace so this isn't about evil morally.

What comparison? Who created and formed these evil and peace?

Is this your best defense

FxMasterz:
I never said Hebrew is a scripture please. When I say English scripture or Hebrew scripture, I'm referring to the Bible with regards to a particular language.

My Son can never kill someone. It's not possible. So, I wouldn't be dragged into such a discussion.

The Old Testament was originally written in old hebrew. And in Hebrew EVIL – RA רע , the isiah verse is talking about evil.

I never said your son can kill someone, the same way you never said my son will be an armed robber abi, are they not examples?

You said this whole thing but you can’t take what you dish out?
“ When you said you would help your son first, you should have looked at all the possible things a wayward child might do to warrant his father's help. And you should have known that issues are in categories (the waywardness of a child as well as the calamities that may eventually befall him). You should have weighed matters well before making that comment. I didn't change anything because I didn't paint any previous scenario. I painted that robber child scenario to help you see the danger in your stance.”

FxMasterz:
When you said you would help your son first, you should have looked at all the possible things a wayward child might do to warrant his father's help. And you should have known that issues are in categories (the waywardness of a child as well as the calamities that may eventually befall him). You should have weighed matters well before making that comment. I didn't change anything because I didn't paint any previous scenario. I painted that robber child scenario to help you see the danger in your stance.

I wouldn't make any reversal into the pastor/condition/authority talk anymore. I've spoken at length on that topic. Please refer to our previous discourse for any answers you may seek.

Regarding the Hebrew texts and the Christ you're talking about, I would not go this far with you. I don't discuss scriptures just for argument sake. I've clarified positions upon positions already, and answered several questions. We can't be arguing endlessly on Nairaland as we have other things to do with time. God bless you.

I said I would help my first son before giving him conditions.
You said you will help your son after he accepts your conditions.
So if your son kills someone and he accepts your condition, how will you rescue him?

The pastor is powerless without the patient meeting those conditions, and like you said the patients can even ask his own miracle after meeting those conditions, you just wasted my time yesterday arguing about collecting permissions before you have authority 😂


Hebrew is not a scripture, it’s a language, the tanakh was written in old hebrew.
In hebrew ra means evil, and there are many christs in Old Testament that’s why the jews reject your Iesus chrestus.

“Atheistic world”

LordReed:
Steep thinks his so called objective morality is a gotcha against atheists. No buddy your so called objective morality doesn't exist, talk more of being superior to something an atheist can come up with. Even some god believers are morally superior to their god since they would not condone issues their god supposedly has no problems with, eg slavery, rape, genocide, etc. How are you advocating for a moral basis you have already superceded. Laughable.

I don’t even understand by what she means by “objective morality”.
This same woman said killing babies is not bad ITSELF, it’s bad because humans didn’t create it, and because his deity created it killing babies is right, this theists are amazing.

FxMasterz:
Your stance about a criminal son is good. That's contradictory to your former stance, where you rush to help a child in trouble on the basis of love alone. However, allowing a child to suffer a little is what I've seen many fathers do. No one wants to watch his son sentenced to death no matter what he has done. I never said it's my principle, did I?

Regarding the Isaiah verse we were talking about, I only wanted you to read the Hebraic text and its literal renderings since I don't speak Hebrew myself. Any other thing discussed on the site is solely the opinion of the writer.

All i said is i will help my son FIRST before giving him conditions, then you change it to a criminal that stole.
What conditions are you going to give your son before you rescue him as a criminal?
No one wants to see his children die, but if your son kills someone else child and is sentenced to death, you better be ready to watch your son sentenced to death if the judges says so, and no matter the conditions you give him it won’t matter.

You are contradicting yourself.
If i need to meet those conditions before getting a miracle, why then is a pastor needed, what’s the use of the pastor permission to have authority and power 😂

What’s the Hebrew word for evil in that statement?
Evil is Masoretic רַע (ra).
You can also see it in isiah 5:20, is that one also talking “calamity”.

Talking about hebrew, do you know cyprus is a christ, what’s christ in Hebrew.

Yahweh worshipper lol

FxMasterz:
Your fatherhood principle is only good to you but many father's don't buy your idea. A son who turns an armed robber and got arrested by police is an example. The father is powerful and can immediately order his release. I've seen cases without number where the father would say 'Let him suffer a little, so that he can learn.' Wise and loving fathers. Your fatherly principle is good for you alone. I have no problems with that.

Yes. Isaiah 45:7 is God Almighty speaking. The English translation is flawed. This is it in Hebrew:

Biblical Hermeneutics
What is the meaning of Isaiah 45:7?
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In Isaiah 45:7, it is written that God forms light, creates darkness, makes peace, and creates evil.

7 I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create calamity: I the LORD do all these things.

ז יוֹצֵר אוֹר וּבוֹרֵא חֹשֶׁךְ עֹשֶׂה שָׁלוֹם וּבוֹרֵא רָע אֲנִי יְהוָה עֹשֶׂה כָל-אֵלֶּה

Releasing a criminal is never good, no loving father will say that a criminal should be released after it “suffered small”, that is not fairness.
All criminals should face the same sentence.
Your fatherly principle is good for you alone.

What’s calamity in hebrew.
From the place you copied from, talking about context.

Isaiah 45:13-14 NRSV

13 "I have aroused Cyrus in righteousness, and I will make all his paths straight; he shall build my city and set my exiles free, not for price or reward, says the Lord of hosts. 14 Thus says the Lord: The wealth of Egypt and the merchandise of Ethiopia, and the Sabeans, tall of stature, shall come over to you and be yours, they shall follow you they shall come over in chains and bow down to you. They will make supplication to you, saying, “God is with you alone, and there is no other; there is no god besides him.”
Conclusion:

The meaning of Bringing Evil "I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the Lord do all these things..( KJV 47:7)

"I make peace" refers to the liberation of the Israelites from the Babylonian captivity and "create evil" refers to the just administration of justice on the Babylonians for their cruel treatment of the Israelites during their seventy years of captivity there.

Steep:
Isaiah 45:7 is not talking of moral evil but rather calamity upon the sinners, read according to context.

No where was sinner talked about, how do you read your own context?

Let’s backtrack to verse 6 where your yahweh was laying dominance over all things, good and evil.

6–that people may know, from the rising of the sun and from the west, that there is none besides me; I am the LORD, and there is no other. 6 so all the world from east to west will know there is no other God. I am the LORD, and there is no other.

7– I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the Lord do all these things.

Only if you know how these books were written 😂