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adora4u1: The BRIBER has been fined. What will happen to the BRIBEE(S)?

Come....on! Do I need to remind you of how lame your question is?

CrazyMan: I feel its a polite way of her telling you she isn't really interested in you...

Cos if she's really into you, believe me she won't even remember God exists...

Guy, you are so on point!!!!!!!!

@ Op this babe has only figured that you are a spiritual person and that you will gawk that response without a fight.

Unless you had observed that she had always consulted God in stride in the past, that is, even to picking types and colours of clothes, routes to take....!!!!! Some people do but it is so rare. I suspect like the guy above that the girl is simply not just into you....

Meanwhile, you are asking this on the wrong forum. Go to christian and family section. They may give you a seemingly lame response their but you'll be better off..

I hope there is demand to profitably sustain the Kaduna-Minna route. Given the pattern of movement of mass transit, I cannot help but feel this is another cheap appeasement of ethnocentric sections of the north. I believe an Abuja-Kaduna rail route would have been more profitable. I would have thought NRC will construct routes in order of their profitability. In any case, time will tell and hopefully everyone will be happy...

No doubt trust is highly abused in Nigeria. But in non criminal incidences Nigerians had usually labelled abusing trust as being smart. We seem to believe there is a point where such is not acceptable whereas we ought to condemn such negative value altogether.

Poor Cynthia...even in death, she is being further victimized by the false zealousness of the press and our warped justice system. Nevertheless whether they are all found guilty or not, your assailants cannot go unpunished. Whatsoever a man sows, the same he shall reap...

Tough...hope you can get the solution you want. Quite a lot of romance on NL is steeped in teenage romance....

So long, Mr Armstrong...

@ Pleep

Obviously you have already decided what answers are acceptable to you. I rest my case. I wish this thread the best in finding answers to op's question.

I have looked @ this thread and it is obvious that the topic is just another victim of opinionization, rather than the purview of experts, and at that those who are conversant with economics.

Succinctly put, isolationism will be a disaster, which in anycase is not an option since we currently rely on crude oil exports and refined oil imports.

Some things will have to work in tandem

- corruption reducing to acceptable levels
- decentralization of the economy to be driven by states and local governments also
- private sector oriented growth
- evolution of the economy, maximizing current state of the economy - agrarian - and encouraging policies that transition to agro-allied and later other manufacturing , advanced manufacturing and then service. Different states could grow at different paces, as India, Brazil and China in fact all economies evolve. Some parts of U.S.A still remain underdeveloped.

In 2005-6
Silverbed Abuja opp Sheraton
Used to race up 2 170km/hr every Sunday morning 2 hit Church 4 6.00am

July 2006
Stayed a solid 170km/hr going 180 but was frustrated by up 2 15 checkpoints between Lagos to Abuja cos I was travelling alone...

The Car? Honda Halla 1991, Manual

http://www.aljazeera.com/programmes/aljazeeracorrespondent/2011/08/2011828135228487172.html

It was actually meant to honour the forgotten African heroes of the Second World War. I hope very soon these people will be given their rightful recognition in the making of world peace and our independence....

This thread is being disrespectfully hijacked by people who don't buy the immigration idea. it is very unlikely that people who want to immigrate will suddenly listen to you because you have the privilege - from wherever - to post your opinion on the internet. This thread seems meant to inform people interested in the Fed Workers Scheme that that programme has been deferred. What is with people casting others for making choices on change of location, or choice of what home is? I think people should be more respectful and also intellectually constructive when they want to sell - not impose or hype - opinion.

I would expect that people pursuing this programme would be informed to a fair extent given that the immigration to Canada supports holders of higher education. Please don't let us mix up our political or other sensitivities with the core conversation here. Much unlike parts of the world where governance is based on informed decision to largely support the general interest, it is in these parts that people want to impose their opinions of aspects on life, disciplines and conditions that they have knowledge base of save from hearsay.

It is very evident that some parts of the world are working and some parts are not. Where are we obligated to ingrain ourselves to one part of the world without considering another if the opportunity presents itself?

I believe the context of reporting this event could be misleading. This event is both contrary to public interest (the man blocked a public road) and is a (n)(unintended, though) security breach. Ask Muritala Mohammed and JFK. Oh, and Jega as well as the current Malian president.

The q is do I?

The answer is: Yes, I do.

Else, will you prefer to have a wife who "barks like a dog" to Lisa a la Coming to America (cut out the fantasia)?

However, I notice most African guys love Lisas for girlfriends and "Bark like a dog, a Big Dog" for a wife....

Not gold-diggers.

I used to think girls find it easier to up their ante socially than guys....the ajepako girl would have been irrepairably unadjustable socially then...else I stand to be corrected, sha....

guys, that is...

[quote author=tpia@]Everyone should stick to their comfort zone imo.

nothing wrong with that.

unless you mean the guys are goldiggers or something, but na them sabi sha.

i assume you're referring to guys from such areas sticking to girls from the same.

not necessarily a bad thing? [/quote]Yeah. Shouldn't be.... although a few people do that as part of their profiling thingy...

I was opening this thread with great expectations but obviously Onila tripped...

I was hoping I could get rich/ independent working girls perspective on their guy's financial responsibilities.... But generally I would expect that being rich should not make a lady hard to get except she's spoilt. Or except her rich family lives in an environment where the next richest is relatively poor.... That said some independent working class girl do play hard to get especially when they are socially naive/ young, but most of them get their head clearer as they find themselves going 27 years and above in age....

I know guys who do not date girls outside G.R.A and above kind of residents. While I think the motive is left with such guys, I realize that the way girls think about their guys being ATMs is a function of upbringing / environment, and it way too reflects the average naija babe living in naija. Some even play the rip-off card....it's crazy out here ....

This Ifyalways is reading us out like a book!!!

This husband must be a very normal nerd.....

@ Logicboy

I think you need to appreciate that people are posting experiences and agreeing to obeying God for their own good. Nobody is claiming puritan here.

If someone starts quoting the bible like he knows it you'll probably shut your mind cos it sounds like laws not applicable to daily practice. But here are you and bugel abi wetin be im name, misquoting bible stories out of context with no care of distinguishing exemplary people from the wrong ones.

I will tell you what has kept me a virgin for more than 3 decades. I keep asking myself: Do I want to be submitted to the ways of God in the midst of any circumstances? Some people can handle sexual temptation but money and influence is another kettle of fish. The devil has a package for everybody.

If anyone wants to be submissive to God in any matter ask for help: God, the word, the sages etc

My story: I was in stuff in my units age, but God kept me in my teenage and 20s. I see the reality outside and it is obvious that bleeping is as close as being in the mind without being with a babe sef or if it must be really, just take the lead. All this God has helped me take care of because I wanted him to help me take care of it. Maybe moreso because I have also successfully occupied myself with stuff and God helped me train my mind.

Your partner will not be of any help. You will have to decide for yourself and be able to discern if he/she is really sorry if something goes wrong.

Yeah, I had a girlfriend that tried to use subtlety to get me into bed (I'm lonely!). Another dared me (be a man!). The choice you make in that moment of truth defines who you had always really been.

A few points to note

I think it will be proper to respect the choice of people to decide whether they want to come back to Nigeria or migrate to resettle in another part of the world. There are consequences for either actions.

So much for the Afrocentrism, however, many have fought from within only to be eliminated by their own people. Sometimes the doctrines of afrocentrism and socialism are so muddled up while western imperialism is so demonized whereas history has it that many if not most socialist experiments have failed its proponents the world over, whereas the west was imperializing asia in the 50s/60s/70s only for the tide to be turned on the West now.

Much beyond e-rhetoric, we need to admit that there is something that Africans are getting wrong. And we cannot keep blaming every other race except ourselves. Nobody will treat you as an inferior except you allow him/her.... And this is for both the black leader and follower to ponder on....

thoth: It is really stressful,regretful and toturing holding a debate with someone whom could not hold a line of thought and whose blind urge to win an argurment totally eclipses his ability to be consistent.
A pattern which you and your likes has always displayed is trying to gain acceptance by puting forward a totally different and unrelated problem and applying a solution given by an opponent on it and wish such to be accepted as discreditation. If you keep jumping around randomly like a tennis ball instead being consistent and supporting CLEAR COMPREHENSIBLE STANCE with reason and logic then am afraid i might loose taste for this exercise.
1: I am talking about CIVILLIZATIONS which is where critical thinking capability can be measured and referenced with established methods in social sciences and psychology but you left our debate and created a new one based on EMPIRES, The later which cannot be ascociated with any form of thinking.
2: You should have know if you understood what you are saying that EMPIRES by definition cannot be eternaly sustained since it involves forcefully almagamating DIFFERENT NATION,EXPLOITING THEM AND DENYING THEM OF THEIR SOVEREIGN FREEDOM. This every student of history knows very well. Maybe you yourself can tell me one empire which has been eternally sustained african,european or asian for that matter.
3: I have a good reason to believe that you in particular does not understand what the term to "think critically" means from the way you relate or equate(i don't know which you are trying to ) Superior Knowledge,i would advise you seek the definition of the term in order to assist you in forming better arguments next time.

I would not acuse you of making GENERALISED STATEMENTS since you never showed the capability of correctly making one neither would i mention the LACK of any form of REFERENCE while observing ALL your posts since your arguments does not share a cohesive BASE rather i would acuse you of not Thinking Critically on the problem which you and i are making efforts at solving.
Xiexie ni.

I will no longer join issues on this topic with you. I wonder what is my incentive to gain so-called acceptance and for what purpose and benefit. You will do well to keep your opinionized judgements to yourself. Your idea of an open mind is pretty vague if it is only as you faultily define it with the impression that every threader comes pre-set as you do on this thread.

1. What is your definition of civilization? You fail to be consistent on what you refer to. If you check at least Wiki you will know that civilization is controversial enough to sometimes be interchanged with empires, so the means of survival of even civilizations (check wiki again) is not entirely found on just critical thinking.

2.If you follow the trail of our exchange (and you understand the concept of critical thinking) consistently you will realise that I changed word nation to empires in response to your argument, not to empires from civilizations. Empires could survive longer than nations, and African kingdoms in history sustained their existence subsuming other nations as was done by most empires. At what point did I claim that empires can be eternally sustained. I said that a culture of knowledge and value system makes the difference how long they can last.

3. Critical thinking is done continuum. The knowledge that helped make a great civilization may not help guarantee its survival. My use of the word "superior knowledge" was to buttress that the knowledge of the moment may become mediocre in the next. And this is where a culture of critical thinking is, well, critical. (See at least, wiki, again)

Threads such as this definitely require a fair enough assumption of background knowledge and a less presumptuous mindset, and possibly, in the light of the thread, a willingness to accommodate opinions without judging context or the pedigree of the person proposing it.

thoth: each and every precolonial african nation was built on well thought out and socially cohesive line(critical thinking per se) and i will like you to prove otherwise.
Every civilization has risen on the basis of there military might and i will like you to prove me wrong as well.
The problem with you people is that you do little or no research at all before making your comments rather you believe that any of your belief by divine right is universally acceptable and indisputably right both which are the characteristics of a Fanatic.

What can support military might if not superior knowledge? What can bring about superior knowledge if not critical thinking?

If every precolonial African empire (not nation) was well thought out and socially cohesive (not whipping-in-line), why could their existence not be sustained? Please avoid mixing your sense of patriotism/ black pan-africanist ideas/ anti-religious rhetoric with the objective arguments. You are making generalized statements without giving any bases of reference.

Rgp92: Daaamn, ignorant is a bliss. Please learn your history before typing stupid stuff like this.

thoth: You are implying that on all the great civilizations that arose out of africa that the blacks peak of civillization was Carthage ?
It then shows you don't even know what those terms mean in the first place.
I like how you used the word "ENSLAVED" in your post above both of your posts now do contradict each other.

Okay I stand to be corrected. Show me, aside from the ancient town of Timbuktu (where the knowledge base was Islam-intensive), where black civilization was built on critical thinking....

I am not interested in who wins the argument. I am only trying to tell you that class in society has not changed. The stranglehold of traditional rulership/ religion has only been reduced by their political authority. Their instinct has been no less different then and now.........

Again I stand to be correct. Don't mix the great civilizations that rose and fell their after on basis of military might in this argument. I am referring to the cultivation of the culture of knowledge. It is that cultivation of the culture of knowledge that differs North America, Europe, and Asia from Africa, Middle East and Latin America today...

The closest the black came to critical thinking was Carthage (Study history or see wikipedia). Even Europeans came to study there. Romans destroyed the city for its potential to challenge them in any future.

That was the peak of black civilization in the context of high, logical and critical thinking. And just like subsequent kingdoms in Europe were enslaved by Catholicism for up to the 15th Century, (especially sub-saharan)Africa has still been enslaved by (all manner of) religion to date (and of course, Islam, the middle east and north Africa).

@ Thoth

I expect you shld have an open mind about such an issue rather than trying to guide us into hanging "foreign" religion for the issue on the thread.

Our traditional religions supported random sacrifices of virgins to sustain fertility in the land, encouraged killing of twins, deprived women of rights, encouraged polygamous living and slavery. There was a clearly wide gap between the elite and the masses, and it took riches (at that, its influence was limited), competence in war, heredity, or priesthood in traditional religion to cross the social ladder. Others were prone to the whims and caprices of the king and his cohorts. Were these elites not culpable in the slave trade/ Were they not guardians of our traditional religion? Were they not also culpable during military rule (with the notable exception of Alafin of Oyo during the June 12 crisis)?

@Op You have a good point, but....

I used to share this sentiment and I still do. If you look @ most African countries' histories you will realize it was a cultural thing of which an attempt to change by a westernized black man would meet popular resistance. The illogic and lack of critical thinking you are talking about also affects the Arab population but homogeneity of race and religion seems to undermine the apparent effect on them. But notice how different pre-1995 Turkey was considered even in the West. I still believe that Ataturk ability to convert a superstitious and highly islamicized culture to a western-oriented culture is one of the greatest miracles of modern time.

I seem to digress a little bit, but if you considered the history of Turkey and compared it to most other African and arab countries, you will realize that the difference laid in leadership orientations. Our leadership's orientation has had a spillover effect on the general populace with horrendous consequences. The latest point of this happening was South Africa when Thabo Mbeki was removed by his party. But there is a lesson for us...

What Thabo Mbeki demonstrates however (he's not a perfect example) is how a critically and constructively thinking black man can fail to endear himself to his people when he has the opportunity, mainly because most of such people are regarded as acting in arrogance, they are not able to make themselves amenable to people because of a "high-horse" mentality. This has been the bane of this "alternative black elite" the world over. Obama seems to be a major exception, but probably because he was less critical of black cultural failures while successfully endearing himself to hispanic and white populace.

The core black elite feed the majority with the trash of patronage and their endearment to the masses (see Jacob Zuma). This trend has largely been common too in the Northern parts of Nigeria. The reign of the ALE probably ended with the likes of Obafemi Awolowo, Aminu Kano to name a few. Also add the inability of most black people to delay economic gratification or their inability to make informed political decisions and so on......

I can go on and on.....but if you want to crack the mind of the masses and change OUR orientation, you have to let US buy into you. This has been a common failure of the ALE which I consider this thread to represent...

Let's say it as it is.

Suddenly the Northerners want to follow a democratic process in PDP because they will be able to sway the winning machinery to their control.

PDP is not a party of ideology, it is an organized winning machinery, where factions want to take turns to run government for selfish reasons other than progress for the generality. Fair enough.

The problem is, Jonathan knows that if he allows that process he could be disgraced in his bid for a second term. This shows that there is no unity in the party. It also shows that this democracy is a farce.

As a citizen of this country, I know that people like Kaita do not mean well for the country because they are pursuing what is in it for them rather than what the whole country might gain. The democratic process is so warped that you cannot help but shut your eyes when something unfair as the selection of Tukur occurs because it is more likely that a worse glutton would have emerged under a fair process.

Kaita, you can rant all you want. Until Nigerians are able to make informed decisions for their benefit and the benefit of the nation, it would be convenient to overlook wuruwuru selections such as this. I have spent more than 3 decades on this soil and I wonder if we would ever be able to replicate the prosperity the colonial masters made in in Nigeria without access to oil, in my lifetime. I am tired of process and prospect of prosperity.