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RikoduoSennin: That is A BIG FAT LIE.

1) Melchizedek was a physical being (human), Ruling over a physical city (Salem-later called Jerusalem) and a physical high priest. Gen 14:18-20. Jesus previous existence was in Heaven,he did not dwell on earth twice-that would have required two Virgins don't you think, not to mention redundant since it achieved no purpose.

2)The prophecy@ Ps 110:4," The Lord hath sworn and will not repent, thou art a Priest for ever after the ORDER of Melchizedek". and Its Fulfillment @ Heb 6:20. The word "ORDER" is compared to "Manner", "Like" in other Bible translation. Jesus is not but like Melchizedek who holds two key position (both a KING and High Priest).

3)It seems all this arguement springs from misunderstanding Heb 7:1-28. Well let see:

Heb 6:6- Mechizedek did not trace his generology from Abraham but Jesus can be traced from Abraham- Heb 7:13,14

Heb 7:11- "ANOTHER priest to arise....." Proving they are not the same, Heb 7:15," SIMILITUDE of....there ariseth ANOTHER priest." Heb 7:17 crowns it all.

The rest of the scriptures is in harmony with this fact.

Pointless. What facts are you talking about?

We are still in the old covenant. Now examine this scripture.

"For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith the Lord; I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people:" (Hebrews 8:10).<< the covenant i will make with Israel After those days, Not nw, the second coming. The laws will be put into their hearts, they wont need to go into the bible to find what to keep and not what to keep, because the laws will be in our hearts.

What was the first covenant?

"Now therefore, if ye will obey my voice indeed, and keep my covenant, then ye shall be a peculiar treasure unto me above all people: for all the earth is mine:" (Exodus 19:5).<< that was the old covenant. If you obey my voice and keep the covenant i made with Abraham.

"And they shall not teach every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the Lord: for all shall know me, from the least to the greatest." (Hebrews 8:11).<< And they shall not, future tense, not now. Read scriptures and understand. Are you not teaching people to know the Lord? Has this happened? There are still plenty people out there that dont know the Lord. But scripture says everybody will know the Lord, from the least to the greatest, Judah and Israel, not Christians, and again in Israel there are more muslims than Judaism peeps , so the covenant isnt now.

Paul quoted this verse from Jeremiah 31:31-34 talking about the end time, not the coming of Christ. End time. 2nd coming.

We are still in the old covenant, new testament yes. Testament and Covenant are two different things.

RikoduoSennin: Not to derail off thread: Moses and No human (flesh and blood before and after Moses) have seen the Father/Yahweh (God Almighty).

1) The Father is always Found/Located in Heaven, The Lord's Prayer, the account of Job, the revelation of Jeremiah, Isaiah and John in Revelation are few prove of that fact.

2) The earth is like a fool stool to him, I really don't See how he could fit in to the extent any man can see him within a fixed location.

3) The throne of the Father is not, and has never been Vacant- Not once.

4) God is Spirit- That is why physical beings with physical eyes have not seen him. Even in the Visions given to bible writers-only his likeness was seen. In fact, Jesus (God's firstborn son) was seen when he became flesh (physical being).
NB: Spirit is different from Ghost!

5)Gen 32:24-30; Jacob wrestle with an angel yet he said" ...I have seen God face to face...", proving that some mistaken Angels as God. Reading through the bible you will find out, that he is not along in such thought.

good one bro. Paul and John saw Christ in the spirit. But nobody has ever seen God.

oyelude f: luke 1:19

"For I am the LORD, I change not; therefore ye sons of Jacob are not consumed." (Malachi 3:6).

"And he said, Thou canst not see my face: for there shall no man see me, and live." (Exodus 33:20). if anyman has seen God, then God is a lier according to you.

"God forbid: yea, let God be true, but every man a liar; as it is written, That thou mightest be justified in thy sayings, and mightest overcome when thou art judged." (Romans 3:4) My guy, end this argument. Nobody has seen God.

birdman: such a promising thread. i cant believe you guys killed it

Lol. Right.

Your forefathers wrote the whole bible..

haibe: Prove from the Scriptures that Christ fulfilled only the sacrificial law.

The law is the law bro, we humans just divide it to moral and sacrificial for easy understanding but ask any jew today, the law is the law.

If All is not fulfilled then why should the sacrificial part pass away? Can't you read that one jot won't pass away until All is fulfilled?

Read that verse again, you keep trying to support your own opinion with the Scriptures which is very dangerous.

We are not under the law, we are justified and made righteous without the law and so we will also be judged without the law

"For all who have sinned without the
Law will also perish without the Law; and all who
have sinned under the Law will be judged by the
Law"


Let me ask if God judged you by the law of moses, do you think you will be declared righteous?

"Therefore, my brethren, you also were made to
die to the Law through the body of Christ , that
you might be joined to another, to Him who was
raised from the dead, that we might bear fruit
for God," (Rom. 7:4 ).

"But now we have been released from the Law,
having died to that by which we were bound, so
that we serve in newness of the Spirit and not in
oldness of the letter," ( Rom. 7:6 ).

The bible makes it clear that we are dead to the law, the law doesn't apply but we are to serve God in the newness of the Spirit.

No matter how you twist scriptures, the bible is still clear that we are not under the law.

Okay now. Its enough bro. You can take a camel to the stream, but you cant force it to drink water.

We will meet again bro.

haibe: So why is the sacrificial law going out from the law of moses when heaven and earth has not passed away? Aren't you contradicting yourself now I tire for you o

hmmmmmm. When will you come back to your senses?. Christ only came to replace the sacrificial lamb killings for forgiveness of sins.. Am done explaining to you, you are very ignorant you know?. You have been on this thread for a very long time, but you aint learning anything. Hebrews 10 is too big for you to comprehend right?. If Christ has fulfilled everything, it means there is no second coming. I have told you times without number and i have asked you several questions. Where did Christ ask us to stop keeping the laws?, i can show you where Christ asked us to stop the sacrificial laws..

haibe: By love:


37 Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord
thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy
soul, and with all thy mind.
38 This is the first and great commandment.
39 And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt
love thy neighbour as thyself.
40 On these two commandments hang all the law
and the prophets.

here we go again. Haibe go and sit down. I tried, I tried. You dont wanna be converted. Continue in sin bro, its your life.

haibe: Did Christ fulfill the law or not?

The sacrificial laws he fulfilled. All in the bible has not been fulfilled, and again, heaven and earth is still very much existing. The Laws are going nowhere. This verse contradicts Paul if i should go with your logic. People call Paul a false preacher because of people like you. Because you misunderstand what Paul says.

haibe: By now you should understand that cases from the OT are cited by the apostles to drive out a point. don't think paul is saying we are under the law. << Meaning? Does this make sense to you?


Paul is right here, we do not make void the law through faith, infact we establish it. how are you establishing it in you life right now?. How do you establish the law?


No one here is saying you should sin, If you are led by the Holy Spirit and Obedient to Him, you won't be sinning. << how are you obedient to him? What are you obeying?



Christ has fulfilled the law already, not just a part of it but All and so it can pass.

The biggest rubbish i have ever read in my entire life. So readers, you see how people are ignorant? You see how many change the word of God? Ok lets see.

"Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil. " (Matthew 5:17).<< Dont even get it into your head, dont even think about it, that the laws will be destroyed, i just came to fulfill what the prophets said about me in the old testament, and no where did the Prophets tell you that the laws will be abolished.

"For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled. " (Matthew 5:18).<< I am telling you with no doubt, till heaven and earth be no more, one single ink will not go out from the law of moses, till all be fulfilled. All in the entire book of the old testament. And till today all has not been fulifilled.

"My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge: because thou hast rejected knowledge, I will also reject thee, that thou shalt be no priest to me: seeing thou hast forgotten the law of thy God, I will also forget thy children." (Hosea 4:6).<< this is the reason why your forefathers went into captivity. You dont wanna wake up Israel, you are still in the sleep of the Lord.

"For the LORD hath poured out upon you the spirit of deep sleep, and hath closed your eyes: the prophets and your rulers, the seers hath he covered." (Isaiah 29:10).

haibe: whatever paul says is not contrary to Christ, so paul is right saying we can be righteous apart from the law.

Is this the answer to my question? One thing have noticed about you is that. You dont answer my questions, you just bring scripture to tackle scripture. Making the bible look like a book of contradiction. Smh Using Paul to undo Christ.

haibe: See the way you just contradicted yourself all in the name of teaching hogwash. SMH!

Bro you can be righteous without the law of moses, period. Job for example was declared righteous without the law of moses, same with those who have accepted the lordship of Christ, the righteousness of Christ is imputed in them and the Holy Spirit lead them in all righteousness, we don't follow the leadings of the letters no more but the Holy Spirit.



Who also hath made us able ministers of the
new testament; not of the letter, but of the
spirit: for the letter killeth , but the Spirit giveth life. (2 Corinthians 3:6)

i contradicted myself, but you didnt show me where i did.

What does spirit mean?

shdemidemi: This guy must be confused or something else isn't right around him. When facts through scriptures were thrown at you, yo came up with-




My question to you, if God were to judge you by the law of Moses, do you possibly think you would be found righteous by God's standard?

Question of facts? In verses you misunderstand?. I ignored that your romans 8, because you dont understand that verse, and i cant keep explaining every verse to you. What does this mean?

3 For what the law was powerless to do because it was weakened by the flesh, God did by sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh [b]to be a sin offering.[c] And so he condemned sin in the flesh.

how does this verse condemn the law or morals?

Ok, now give me a verse in the bible where Christ not Paul said we should stop keeping laws. Then will i leave this thread and follow your belief.

Secondly, you have to tell me why Peter made this statement.

"As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction." (2 Peter 3:16).

you will have to explain this verses to me.

"(For not the hearers of the law are just before God, but the doers of the law shall be justified." (Romans 2:13).

"Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law." (Romans 3:31)

"What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound?" (Romans 6:1).
"God forbid. How shall we, that are dead to sin, live any longer therein?" (Romans 6:2)

Lastly you have to tell me how all that was written of Christ has been fulfilled.

"Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil. For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled. " (Matthew 5:17-18).

Goshen360: Whose mind was made up? Yours or his? They have shown you the Law was UNTIL a certain time when the reign of the Spirit will take over, ask yourself, are you still under a kindergarten school master of the guidance of the law? Again, ask yourself, are you a murder, are you fornicator, an adulterer? Do you kill your parent? If your answers to the above are no, then what law are you following not to do such things?

King James Bible
Knowing this, that the law is not made for a righteous man, but for the lawless and disobedient, for the ungodly and for sinners, for unholy and profane, for murderers of fathers and murderers of mothers, for manslayers, For whoremongers, for them that defile themselves with mankind, for menstealers, for liars, for perjured persons, and if there be any other thing that is contrary to sound doctrine; 1 Timothy 1:10

For the sake of readers, i will explain this verse to you.

The law is not made for a righteous man because a righteous doesnt break the law.

A Prison was not made for Non-Criminals because they are not commiting any crime. It was made for thiefs, murderers e.t.c

who is a righteous man?
"And it shall be our righteousness, if we observe to do all these commandments before the LORD our God, as he hath commanded us." (Deuteronomy 6:25)<<< A righteous man is who keep the laws.

You see how you misunderstand Paul?

God have mercy.....

Bidam: What are you on about here?Let me quote an easy translation for you to understand ,MAYBE KJV IS MAKING YOU SEE STARS.

Matthew 5:18 (GW)

18 I can guarantee this truth: Until the earth and the heavens disappear, neither a period nor a comma will disappear from the Scriptures before everything has come true

So you can see that it is from genesis to revelation that is the Law here, not the mumbo jumbo you quoted up there.

And on fulfillment of the Law ofcos i am coming from the point where Christ did fulfill the law and the prophets( that is what was written concerning Him).

17 “Don’t think that I have come to destroy the Law of Moses or the teaching of the prophets. I have come not to destroy their teachings but to give full meaning to them.
Matthew 5:17




The Importance of the Law and the Prophets( here it is so you no the bible is one complete book)

17 “Don’t think that I have come to ·destroy [abolish; do away with] ·the law of Moses or the teaching of the prophets [L the Law and the Prophets; C referring to the OT]. I have not come to destroy them but to ·bring about what they said [fulfill/complete them].
Matthew 5:17 (GNV)

17 “Don’t ever think that I came to set aside Moses’ Teachings or the Prophets. I didn’t come to set them aside but to make them come true.

GOD'S WORD® Translation
Christ is the fulfillment of Moses' Teachings so that everyone who has faith may receive God's approval.Romans 10:4

So if Christ did fulfill what was written concerning Him,should Christian not do same? Here what Jesus the master said.

LUKE 9:23 He said to all of them, “Those who want to come with me must say no to the things they want, pick up their crosses every day, and follow me

So as a christian, you pick up your cross DAILY by following the instructions( LAWS) of the Holy Spirit in line with God's word( bible), You do not pick and choose here. God said He will write his laws in our hearts( HEB 10:16)He did not say the law of the spirit of life but LAWS. The law of the spirit of life is actually the Holy Spirit. If you have the Holy Spirit, laws are not a burden, you don 't break them if you are full of God's word.

If you are advocating here that mosaic teachings are abolished, you are very very wrong because it stands to contradict what Paul says here.

GOD'S WORD® Translation
Are we abolishing Moses' Teachings by this faith? That's unthinkable! Rather, we are supporting Moses' Teachings.Romans 3:31


Unlike what you guys are advocating here that we should throw away the OT, PAUL IS SAYING THAT IS UNTHINKABLE.Everything in scripture is actually written for our example so we will not stumble,due to ignorance and unbelief. The whole bible(both OT and NT) is our constitution and our manual for life.

Oh my word. How the hell did i miss this post? 1000likes bro. You just summarised the whole thing in just a post.

Goshen360: Okay, it's on record that I asked you a question and you never answered and even promised not to answer. We will meet again. Enjoy! Bye for now!

Yes bro. Bye Bye.

naijafresh: Their works follow them to the awakening when Christ comes again to judge the living and the dead
There is resurrection but no reincarnation

Ok now. Thats what you think? No p

naijafresh: Dear Father, Holy Jesus.. we pray you open the eyes of those who see yet do not understand.
False doctrines will come and go please protect us from those who speak and yet do not understand their own words, they take the scriptures and try and raise new and notably false meaning from the word of God, their only accomplishment is to mislead those who are not yet weaned from milk

Amen

the best thing you can do, is explain that chapter to us.

Goshen360: Whose mind was made up? Yours or his? They have shown you the Law was UNTIL a certain time when the reign of the Spirit will take over, ask yourself, are you still under a kindergarten school master of the guidance of the law? Again, ask yourself, are you a murder, are you fornicator, an adulterer? Do you kill your parent? If your answers to the above are no, then what law are you following not to do such things?

King James Bible
Knowing this, that the law is not made for a righteous man, but for the lawless and disobedient, for the ungodly and for sinners, for unholy and profane, for murderers of fathers and murderers of mothers, for manslayers, For whoremongers, for them that defile themselves with mankind, for menstealers, for liars, for perjured persons, and if there be any other thing that is contrary to sound doctrine; 1 Timothy 1:10

ok now.

Goshen360: I knew you will mess up when put in the hot seat. You can continue because you know the question I will ask thereafter. Okay, another record,

King James Bible
The book of the generation of Jesus Christ, the son of David, the son of Abraham. Matthew 1:1

That's another record line, will you please answer my question - Is Melchizedek a man or not? Be man enough to answer my question and I will ask just one more question and I'm done with your thread.

Bro, mark my words, i wont answer this question of yours

shdemidemi: Stop the childishness and back what you proclaim with proof from scriptures.
Romans 8
2 because through Christ Jesus the law of the Spirit who gives life has set you[a] free from the law of sin and death.
3 For what the law was powerless to do because it was weakened by the flesh,[b] God did by sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh to be a sin offering.[c] And so he condemned sin in the flesh,


Do you notice the difference between the powerless law and the law of the Spirit through Christ?

Okay now.

shdemidemi: Stop typing or propagating rubbish if you are really not interested in defending it... abi na force

Am not defending nothing. The point has been made. Now is the time for you to hear or forbear. Simple has that. If we keep going this will lead nowhere because you have made up your mind and i have made up mine.

haibe: Christ said believe in him and you will be saved, he didn't say keep the laws to be saved.

Okay now. Good for you. Dont wanna argue anymore.

trustman: John 6: 29 - Jesus answered, “The work of God is this: to believe in the one he has sent.”

What are you believing? You believe what Christ says. What did Christ say? Keep the laws, thats how you believe in Christ. Dont be deceived.

Goshen360: MEILYN,

King James Bible
Now when Jesus was born in Bethlehem of Judaea in the days of Herod the king, behold, there came wise men from the east to Jerusalem, Matthew 2:1

Please, answer my question and I'm not messing with you here,

Is Melchizedek a man or not?

is that the record?. I dont wanna go on with this conversation.

To you Melchizedec is not Christ fine. But to me he is Christ and i strongly believe he is without any doubt. Now can we end this discussion and move on with our lives?.

shdemidemi: Thank you for your contribution here bro..

As much as we can learn from what Jesus said to this Pharisee/an expert of the law of Moses who tried to trick Jesus into error; we must note that loving God and loving a neighbour means different things to the Jewish people and Gentiles.

From the perspective of this lawyer that asked the question... Loving God means doing the works of the law of Moses. A neighbour to a Jewish man is the next Jew man that is his fellow country man.

But from a gentile/Greek perspective a neighbour is anyone who lives close to us or anyone who we have association with. The only way a gentile (by extension Jews likewise, if they accept) could show he loves God is to believe Jesus died and resurrected for the sake of his sin.


From Jesus/church view point a neighbour is anyone who needs our help or whom we are in a position to help.

As valid as the answer Jesus gave is, it was not said to the church but was sufficient to shut the mouths of these scribes and Pharisees. The major doctrines of the church cannot be found in Jesus earthly ministry but his doctrine after He paid the price the law of Moses demanded.

Bro. I told you. Yes i did. Had i known. When you realise what have been telling you, it will be too late. Goodbye bro. Live your life.

2rue: Hmm...see pastors in the house! Why are u pastor turn Christianity into confuse religion...I taught christ have divided all commandment into two...1. Love your God with all your heart 2. Love your neighbor as yourself....there is no commandment that greater than this! Which one be mosaic law again? Pls help us o, we infant christian

Mehn, you guys with all this love love, who told you Christ divided the law? He only said that was the greatest law of them all.

And what is love? How do you love God? Not just with your mouth mr.

"For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous." (1 John 5:3).
"But whoso keepeth his word, in him verily is the love of God perfected: hereby know we that we are in him." (1 John 2:5).

mehn. Love Love Love. According to you folks, love is an emotion. Am tired jare. He who has an ear let him hear. I am off for good.

Goshen360: Because I don't jump from scripture to scripture quoting aimlessly in a religious manner. Let's us reason together now because I can perceive you know scripture very well and I have your time today, at least.

Question:

Is Melchizedek a man or not?

And please, don't waste my time. Just go straight to the answer to my question and let's go on from there.

I dont want to go round circles over and over again. Melchizedec is a woman

guess you aint familiar with this verse. You cant understand scriptures reading it like a story book.

"For precept must be upon precept, precept upon precept; line upon line, line upon line; here a little, and there a little:" (Isaiah 28:10).

Goshen360: Because I don't jump from scripture to scripture quoting aimlessly in a religious manner. Let's us reason together now because I can perceive you know scripture very well and I have your time today, at least.

Question:

Is Melchizedek a man or not?

And please, don't waste my time. Just go straight to the answer to my question and let's go on from there.

I dont want to go round circles over and over again. Melchizedec is a woman

Goshen360: Death witnesses rather

Are you sure you agreed to the above as it is said of Christ? How come you don't agree to such as it is said of Melchizedek?

King James Bible
And here men that die receive tithes; but there he receiveth them, of whom it is witnessed that he liveth. Hebrews 7:8

he died and resurrected

Did I read you said he DIED? How can one resurrect if he doesn't die first and how can one die if he wasn't born first? And yet, you asking me this:


And yet, you said this:
But He had a birth record. The Talmud confirmed this.

I never said Christ didnt die, he died. But i was just kidding with you, can you show us his birth record.? that was a joke bro. I am a witness that Christ died and resurrected. We are witnesses, do you have any record? Na wa oo, i am also a witness that Christ was born of Joseph.