spyder880:


In order not to put the cart before the horse, it is very important that you address the resources we can use to push the rural development as you stated before. This should precede every fancy terms you are throwing about. We are listening.

ok. will do.

But just know that N18billion (being borrowed afresh ) is way too much money for what is indicated above. And while chicken change to the N36billion or so secretariat that cannot improve even water service or educe infant mortality or access to education, it has greater potential

Just to mention: there is actually no more that 2 tiers in Nigeria's federal structure. Just the centre (Fed) and States (Fed units). The 3rd tier so called is actually an appendage of State (by constitutional provision), actually departments (outposts) of State govt., forget what the LG chairmen think or wish. The community govt is not another tier really. Forget the tiers or tears

spyder880:


In all your suggestions, you still failed to suggest areas for the augmentation of Enugu state funding apart from our dependence on "Abuja oil money" as you mentioned in one of your posts. I thought you might like to start with development of natural resources like coal as a way of boosting our state government coffers and therefore enable us to develop both the rural and urban areas of the state. Go back to where we started and dwell on the points you raised.

It is clear that you have a very little understanding of governmental organisation structures, and that is why you advocate the establishment of the fourth tier of government when the third is almost completely useless. You even talked of empowering the fourth tier to carry out projects with funding from the state purse, well, as we still cannot make the LGA to work, what makes you think that a bunch of community administrators can do better? Which laws will bring them to book if they decide to embezzle funds? Have you ever heard of the name CDC under Chimaroke Nnamani? How did they fare?

Another place I need to look at is the area of wastage of funds, how could you have a third tier of government drawing salary and budget from the federal or state and then bypass them and want the fourth tier to now do the work of developing the interior? Why waste the funds paying them for doing nothing at all?

In conclusion I think we all have the fourth tier in our various communities, and we have been using them for smaller developments in the way of self help projects. The new governor can always plan his rural development thrust to achieve the needs of the masses.

Thank you for your points, keep them coming, any idea on how to develop Enugu state is always welcome. We all are the GOVERNMENT.

Hey Spyder, cool. Take it easy. Rem I promised input in two areas -(i) Rural devt (a seeming impossibility going by majority on this board), (ii) Economy. I have just sent one of two, and cleaning up text so the next one will be short too.

Hurrying it only leads to premature erupti so don't shoot from the hips, and don't go " it is clear that you have a very little understanding of governmental organisation structures", because you really don't know and the Biblical "do not judge so you may no be judged" is still potent till today. There should be no invigilator or exam script marker here, I believe. It is not not a fail or pass thing. Just thinking out of the box for those who hate and wish to repudiate the status quo. Any wishing to throw any idea away, should be ready to present a counter position (that is not status quo, alright). Fine

Wait a while, probly later in the night and the second part will come.

In the meantime, I have noted your concerns. They are genuine. Al we do is discuss and address them or instill mitigating arrangements. Notice that the post is so condensed. Like a book, each point above is a line in a table of content and we expand it in full discussion. Relax bro.
Coming next is 2or 2.
Highlight: Harnessing Enugu's areas of comparative cost advantage in
(i) agro-economy (a ready battle axe)
(ii) Industrial exploitation of massive natural resources (you will be shocked: laterite (burnt bricks), limestone (cement), clay (ceramics/tiles), gas (Ugwuoba to Oji), coal (Ezimo thermal plant)
(iii) Re-planning Enugu city as an aerotropolis (now possible and a low hanging fruit)

NB: All above is highly condensed but contain the basic facts. Elaboration will follow if needed. Please I am ready to share my email to take detailed discussions of the thread to avoid boring other people

Above is laced together taking original work of the following:
1. Ené, M.O. (2000) Town Government: A Paradigm Shift In Community Management, New Jersey, USA (this fellow is very good)
2. Imo State Government (2010): 4th Tier Government will reposition Imo state developmental plan. State Gazette 2010
3. Onu, C. (2014). Nigeria: The Courage to Dare: Enugu Beyond 2015. Ingrace publishers
2.Onu, C. (2014). Nigeria: 100 Years after Amalgamation – Together, We Will Make Nigeria Work Better: A Key Note Address at The Historical Society of Nigeria 2014 Congress by the Department of History and International Studies, University of Nigeria, Nsukka on 23rd September 2014.

How
Amend existing development area administration law to enact the CGs. Revise and make devt area councils a college of elected heads of CGs (like NGF or SEGF) and appoint an Executive Secretary (LG staff under HPM) to run the devt area secretariat on day to day. ENSIEC conduct elections

Feasibility, investment profiling and project packaging for CGs to be by State Economic Planning Commission (as chargeable consultancy) while technical committee on privatisation provide backing to institure private sector management services for community ventures signed under the seal of CGs

As promised:...
Rapid Rural Devt: It is possible
Analogy: An Indian in Lagos, on seeing a big crater developing on one of the many federal roads and filled with filthy water, asked in wonderment “so where is government?” Right now, absolutely no govt in our communities is a fundamental flaw (different from govt presence o) –Igwe (govt appointed agent/spy), Town Union (self-enacting CBO, not known to govt, no accountability to govt so no funding)

A: -put the missing tier of govt in every community (4th tier, but its actually the 3rd tier), Community Government (CG) elected by community in open elections and tenured (I suggest 3yrs)
B: -Channel funds (LG and State) directly to CGs for maintenance of infrastructure and government services –schools, maternity, water schemes, road repairs, etc. while direct labour agency of State handle bulk items and interventions –new school blocks, government quarters, bridges, etc.
(Over 437? autonomous communities receiving N1m every quarter =437million (equals subvention to ESUT). I know precisely what N4m in a year can achieve when in direct control of our village heads who will augment it with counterpart contribution of free labour and materials (sand, gravel, laterite, etc.)). Talk of multiplier effect.
C: Support and strengthen CGs to identify and establish ventures on common community lands/assets (palm/cashew plantations, quarries, sharp sand mines, fast-growth forestries, fisheries, etc.) as sources of IGR.

[Principality of Monaco comes to mind: second-smallest independent state in the world; occupies just under two square kilometres, 36,371 population]

It is not about size, treat every community as an economic unit within the State and every CG will maintain a current account with State Govt.
Enablers:
-Enugu marketing company: stop marketing Thailand rice to Enugu and begin buying up and Marketing Enugu products (from the CGs) to the world (just like produce boards)
-DLA (Direct Labour Agency): a pool of skilled/unskilled craftsmen on govt payroll readied for intervention in every community (real VEC)

centje:
There's NO thread on Nairaland with more extensive discussion on city and regional development as this Enugu thread. And we have enormous catalogue of suggestions for a faster and sustainable development of entire Igboland here. We don't just discuss city beatification, and you're not new to this thread so 'am wondering why you're limiting our discussion to only roads. you may have to read previous posts, notwithstanding the loss during the 'nairaland crackdown'.

I am yet to see your better strategy or policy for greater development of Enugu or Igboland. All you keep doing is writing long posts without any concrete point(s)

Yes Centje, your right on the emboldened part. Wait na. I said I would, on the two areas.

Remember I was not long ago been threatened with eviction here, and my visa has just been extended, courtesy Spyder. Also rem that I just got permission to discuss development and transformation for which Cjrane in his wisdom felt should not be discussed in this thread. (https://www.nairaland.com/979128/enugu-pride-east/318#28649095), that its all about city. So tarry a while bros. I'm in the sun and Techno screens are just useless in bright sunlight.

I will n0t fail but pls, I am not taliking about better strategy. i don't have anything better, really. It is only when we get talking, exchanged ideas, debated and researched that something better can come out. I will make the entry on rapid rural devt linked with rural economy stimulation then move on to broader economic expansion leveraging areas of comparative cost advantage. Let this sun go down abeg. I can't see on this messy phone

You are my guy, true and for all ye, speculating, guys I'm a guy. I do everything -yes

vanbonattel:

you are a very big idiott for thinking I am spporting you
are you insane?
you see me praising you cos I believe we smoke same type of cannabis
have you tried smoking dried paw paw leaves before
what about dried shhit

Sir, Spyder, all the issues you raised are cogent. I have promised to be of good behaviour in the board (always) . I have therefore adopted some additional codes of conduct to walk the talk:

1st, no looking back - the past is history, so is Chime. Forward ever, nkiru ka. All I will be here for will be ideas for the future (sharing that is)

2nd, no mention of names -Cime, Chima, Ekwere all distract from the core concept. I will only acknowledge and give credit as due.

3rd, No attack -I will not go on offensive but please, self defense is inevitable for self preservation is nature's no.1 rule. So for all those that will attempt, pepper fire is coolly resting on my left hand

You worried that some of the ideas being so out of touch with reality that I wonder if you mean well for this state. I sure mean well for our dear State. I simply believe that we cannot continue to do things the same way and expect a different result. Especially, since we are in unison that we are resource constrained - that is the prime reason to the more creative, more daring and apply more ingenuity than doing what just meets the eyes.

To completely assure you of this, I brought up two areas of thrust I opined to be lost opportunities for current admin for which the next admin should not lose sight of -Rural devt and economy. I will give my ideas and kill me if they become outlandish. I promised you of A-B-C ideas. I meant it.

And please, don't worry at all about where in Nigeria has any governor done both his rural and urban areas and left a good result cos I expect none, yes. But if we join our heads in this forum, sweerie, Enugu shall be the first. I am very positive about this . in my next post i hammer the economy and following it u see some ideas of the simplest and most resourceful rural devt model (not mine).

As you admonish me to quit bitterness, I thank you and promise you that I will try. But wen, in a BRT (new molue) with your baby and a guy sitting next begins to caress your baby lapse and u don't show bitterness (outwardly if you can) or inwardly (if you can't help it), just know that u no luv that babe. I you claim to wish Enugu well you will weep all night at the wasteful spending. N11billion loan plus N7bn, sucked out piam! Seun, having given us this platform (Seun, I salute o), we need to use it well.

I will warp by saying that in the movie Matrix, the mainframe programmes you to see what they want you to see. Those clean pictures of entrance to zoo, traffic lights at Nkpokiti, Liberty estate maisonettes are what they want you to see and worst still, we bought it and we are re-selling it. Ngwa nu, ndi otum, scatter my denture for that one

Progress has been made. yes o! If you don;t want them to drink the remaining money on champagne, shouting Uhuru, we are there (we gt them) due your praise, please show them the broken pipes of Iva Valley, the dysfunctional 9th mile augmentation water scheme, the impassable road at Akpauf, the erosion path called road of Nachi... and they know you are not as cooked as they wish you are.

On the core matter, all that needed to be said have been said. Vanbonattel was the person that impressed me most. With a cute faculty for precise, he cut out the best summary of what I had to say here thus.

No need to flog it anymore. Msg delivered.

BuddahMonk:
Gee am inviting you to our Anambra thread, there is this debate going on between us and our people about the need for our government to ban okada and other sundry issues we are trying to sort out there, i will love an unbiased outsider to say something about it.

NB: Some people will not welcome your suggestions overthere, its normal just like your being opposed here, dont worry the names they will call you there, they willl attack and abuse you but do not bulge, majority are behind you to make an indepth analysis of the state and her economic outlook aswell as what the future hold.

Will provide you will all the necessary info, we will argue and disagree with you when you come but we want someone to cut us some slacks, we need Anambra from an outsiders point of view, dont bulge when my people start feeling uncomfortable with your assertions and criticisms abeg.

Check Anambra thread and join the disquo.

My guys, I read above and I shed a drop of tear . Yes, a drop.

Reason: see me! Little me, being invited to Anambra chat board. Little me!

First, I thank Spyder880 immensely for approving that I not be kicked out. I will not fail you, sir. I will mend my ways pronto. I am proud of you and the spirit of what you have set out.

I also thank all my bros here, Unemad, Centje, IGBOSON and all of you who provide opposing view. Let me share with you that one of the most important natural creations is friction -that resistance that gives a force a meaning. Just like gravity, imagining life without friction is impossible.

That said, BuddahMonk, I thank you most honestly and I promise you that I will visit the Anambra board. You just confirm to me the heading or the url. But don't be disappointed if I say the truth, which is, I may not be able to contribute much. Reason: I don't really know the State that much. I was born in Enugu, all my school and I live in Enugu now. Remove about eleven years I spent outside, mainly in Lagos, I now the issues like the back of my hand. But I can only boast of few nights spent in Onitsha and only 1 night in Awka.

So, as I hate theorists and generalists, I would hate to be hated for bringing generic and hypothetical concepts to your board, but visit I will, and I promise that if I see where I could make positive impact, I will not hesitate.

I am thanking BuddahMonk for a different reason. For endorsing my little contributions, BuddahMonk has proved himself receptive of new ideas, a person for the future, and for inviting me, I say God bless you sir, and soon you will be invited to Ekiti, Lagos, Kemya, Geneva, Washington... I can't list all. I am rather BuddahMonk for opening my eyes that while ogling dazzling pictures of Enugu main roads (Uzo kolota (Coal tar)), our brothers and sisters in neighbouring Anambra are debating ideas to progress their society. Ngwa nu, ndi otu m, chop me up for that one

I need to catch some sleep. No work today but Church thinz. When i come back I see whether we have agreed to agree or agreed to disagree. Any which way, I am game.

And Spyder, pls don't mind those asking you to kick me out of this board. I believe it makes it more wholesome. So that Jews(those who like to watch photo album) and gentiles (those who want dept beyond macadam), like the lion and the hyena can coexist in peace as is in African savannah. Its nice gisting with you all

Some say window dressing, others prefer saying playing to the gallery. Guys, Chime team is not it. And as we usher in Gburugburu, his anointed successor, it must be drummed in. Unfortunately, Gburugburu is not talking to anybody

Chime's urban beautification programme, to be is too elaborate, too expensive and has not allowed the government to achieve good grades in other very important and strategic areas. But the sad part is, it is not being executed with frankness. 9th Mile and Emene are part of Enugu but you see horrible sites just 3minutes drive from the fringes of the Enugu City centre, why?

kmariko:


Sir I have not gone into specifics yet , will get there.
Again, please since you have read their policy, Where are the deficits in there infrastructural policies and what could have made it better in other words what would you have changed.

Sir policy does not equal implementation.

We will get to implimentation once we understand what policies YOU would have proposed as regards infrastructure in the first place.

Ok o.

First, policy stated can differ from policy being implemented. I agree with you.

Would it not be an academic exercise to begin to critique the written policy when we know that the true reflection of policy stance is action. In other words, for someone who is not versed with the documented version, all he can say is what he/she sees practically and in Enugu State today it is Enugu urban core road network and ancillary infrastructure. 9th mile (very little), Oji (none), Nsukka (very little), Agani (none), Emene (slight). All hinterlands of Akpawf, Nkereffi, Ibite Olo, Oghu, Awha, nothing nothing

mej67:
..a stance to pursue an Energy-based economy and agro-based econmy are policies

the next team i Enugu should focus on.

Above repeated, Plus geniune rural development stance anchored on legislating a true locality administration framework.

You see, I don't mind your drilling , Not at all.

Btw. The 4-point agenda and Enugu vision 2020 have all that, just that Chime chose run on a narrow gauge. Pick out the 4-point agenda and lets see how many of the 4 points have been touched

mej67:
.. And Kmariko sir. When you say " your State", I can condone that you patronise me (just ka okwu na aga). But is important we delve into specifics. Don't escape soon by saying your discussion here is about a "generic" or hypothetical State. We are here for Enugu (Enugwu).

I have the infrastructure policy of Enugu State as detailed as is available in the 4-point agenda and Enugu State Vision 2020 documents. Yes I do

Hard and soft copies

.. And Kmariko sir. When you say " your State", I can condone that you patronise me (just ka okwu na aga). But is important we delve into specifics. Don't escape soon by saying your discussion here is about a "generic" or hypothetical State. We are here for Enugu (Enugwu).

I have the infrastructure policy of Enugu State as detailed as is available in the 4-point agenda and Enugu State Vision 2020 documents. Yes I do

Thank you.

But you see, that where we depart, in general term, yes infrastructure, yes. But in specifics, what infrastructure?

The most crucial infrastructure in Enugu City is not traffic lights -it is expansion of water supply infrastructure. There is no enough water in the city and it is growing. No single new source of water for Enugu city in 8years.

Thats just an example. Infrastricture for rocket launch is infrastructure, but is it what is needed.

I asked a fellow here to list out in his thots 5 most crucial issues facing an Enugu man and I will list mine so we compare. He ran away. It is when we have listed and prioritised the issues impinging on our growth to prosperity that we can assess whether the re-paving and paining is what our government should be doing at this point in time.

So, i won't accept the generic infrastructure and begin to heap praises when there is no water here and our parents in the village are dying of hunger. Enugu has been blessed with people that can decipher things and that are capable of deeper reasoning

So pick out policy from above and tell me what it is to you and why a stance to pursue an Energy-based economy and agro-based econmy are not policies

kmariko:


Sir once again , venting is not a policy,complaint is not a policy,and last but not the least insults are not policies.

In simple terms define what you understand by policy and we go from there. Forget "enabling environment" for now.

Thanks and be well

I don't think it is a good way of exchange to be second-guessing one another. Your antics are not new to me. I have worked well and dealt with many your type. So I will break the jinx.

First to show you I am ok (a dim ok):

In market woman's parlance, enabling environment means anything put in place by government to enable individuals, communities, businesses, other organisations (the legal populace) to actualise their potentials. It is in form of policies, laws, physical and other infrastructure, regulation, access to resources, -simply any act of State to enhance viability of the population and composite elements of the given society

kmariko:


Please sir that is not a policy..please.

Here, I do not want to make any presumptions on your thought proces but it will help if you can in your own words first define what you understand is an enabling environment as concerns governance and how that relates to your State. It is then and then only can one understand your policy proposal to enhance this environment which you"deem non existence" in your state.

The only assurance I can give you here is that you cannot bamboozle me. waa wa. You will only make a big fool of your self.

Now, what do you understand by policy, In this context public policy?

And please don't dance back to the generic "enabling environment" talk. It is general. I am coming to specifics. You see when I said I read you to be a theorist, i wasn't wrong.

Next of course is development of the hinterlands which constitutes over 80% of the land mass of the State and where over 60% of its population reside. Right now, our hinterlands are resource-rich "wastelands" because of lack of concerted effort to integrate them into the mainstream economy of the State.

VEC is hog wash!

It was supposed to serve as a plank-form for enactment of the right governance framework to usher in genuine locality administration. Alas, it became more political inclined which I don't have a problem with, but I have a problem with it being used for eye service -to give villagers the impression that government cared and would come to their aid, meanwhile, nothing mege!
As Spyder gleefully shares pics of cleaned up roads in Enugu core centre, the road to Umaga, Ezimo, Obinofia, Nachi, Ugwuoba are rotting under compete neglect

kmariko:


Still waiting to read your policy proposal

"[i] I take it to mean coal, right? Why can't you touch it? Play by the rules of the land, Anambra floated an Oil Company, not only got allocation of oil well right in the State but also got approval fro refinery. Are you there? Float a power plat, request for rights to your coal, dig it up yourself and sell power to fed government. How does that sound?"

Sure you've seen that before:

Actually, a policy stance to harness the State's areas of comparative cost advantage -Energy (coal/gas) and agro-based economy (agriculture and agro-allied)

These two areas could have been uplifted in the last eight years, which had the highest oil revenue. Apparently, talking about the fast-fading latest oil boon in Nigeria, Enugu has squandered that "little" thing it gets on fancy -a non-regenerative urban beautification that has no end. All we have to show is painted and re-paved Enugu City centre (Emene no follow o!). I had thot people with little have more sense.

kmariko:


Keep shifting the goal post ...I tell ya am good with it.
So remind me again your policy stance or your proposal on the enabling environment that should be implemented in your state Enugu. I read and reread your post but couldn't find any.
Please indulge me again so that we can delve into the nitty gritty of your proposal.
Lastly I was reminded in elementary school that individuals make up a village,town,city,country and it does not take all of them to shift the course of their place of abode...its on you, me anyone out there. We the people are the government not some ghost.

Waiting for your policy debate.

Thanks and be well

Boy O' boy, you are good with it. I didn't say that.

Fine, I'm happy I got you where I wanted you.

First, I stated that it is unforgivable for people to come to this form todefend Enugu government on the basis of smallness of federal allocation it recieves. I called it a self-inflicted injury. I stated it and you highlighted it, the steps to be taken to grow the State's economiy, in pracyical terms, as has been seen to work in Anambra State, just nearby.

Second, I concurred with a position taken here that the current governments total neglect for the rural areas was suicidal and that an integration of our rural economies to the mainstream should be central to the State's development strategy. And that I have some thoughts (real go-to-market ideas) we could begin to share here and now.

what say ye

yes, Centje. I should be grateful that you obliged me a reply. And I appreciate how you cooled down to lay it on me without any harsh word. Thank you.

Truth, I have been guilty of using rather uncouth words here and I regret that. I admitted such early and sought and obtained reprieve. I have also no been spared. I have one pending on Spyder's in tray to adjudicate and do the needful, I am still waiting. So, I hereby, once again offer my unreserved apologies for unruly e-behaviour

Everything else said is noted and appreciated.

I will very humbly comment on the following, nonetheless:

-"Don't think I've forgotten who you are. You're a die-hard loyalist of chimaroke nnamani, and..." Truly I don't mind the label. No probs. Keep it for me, I embrace it because it doesn't really hurt anymore.
Question really is, why is it that anybody who does not agree with the mainstream position is immediately labelled? Now it is Chimaroka, which< i am happy to admit, ka anyi na aga n'iru. The other day it was Ekweremmadu. Once you criticise Chime, phew, you are Chimaroke, you are Ekweremmadu. Know ye all that some people cannot be carried by the mass dose of propanganda, really meant to hoodwink and take attention away from the core issues. Fine I accept the label. Just know finally on this point, that name-calling and labelling are variants of .... you know what.

-"If Chime was an average nigerian politician, with his power of incumbency..." Yes, definitely, Chime has proved that he is a below average politician

- by Cjrane: I usually remind all that Enugu is about the poorest state in Nigeria in terms of federal allocation.... I believe Enugu must give attention to the rural areas. I have already give CJrane a hot thumbs up. It is for the spirit of the engagement -that we should share ideas about the raised issues. I have taken a firm position here that it is retrogressive to continue to defend Enugu based on the little allocation so-called. Enugu should grow its economy, kpom kwem. Lagos is a model and way to go.

Goodman, I wish you sweet dreams and that you wake strong and happy

Btw: Forget the way I tackle people on issues. Its usually to charge the debate. Deep down, I am as soft as a stuffed fluffy teddy

kmariko:


Oh Google, I really forgot about them. Besides the founders, the next richest among them was a university professor who contributed financially to their start up. Hint here. It is not the government .If in doubt ask our very Seun. Seun please how much did the government give you to start this forum?.will make an interesting answer I believe.

Last I checked we are a capitalist society. And the role of government IS TO PROVIDE ENABLING ENVIRONMENT..NOT TO FEED YOU.

So please stop waiting for government to feed you, because it wasn't meant to...it is not their role to feed you, clothe you or find you a wife or husband.

If you really care about the poor in your state. Then start a large company to employ them and stop waiting for someone to do it for you.

When I was discussing expanding the economy, I was talking about the role of State, and not for me to be fed. I was precisely discussing the 'environment' -the enabling environment, Sir.


There is a fundamental flaw in your pitch and I fear it may not be fixed b'cos I read you as a theorist.

For the umpteenth time, we allow the State to drift when we fail as a people in the role of civil society in shaping government action. We cannot leave them alone. We have to be part of policy debates, public presentation of draft statutes, public finance and appropriation reviews, etc. That is is how it works best.

In your first post, you said you failed to see the most essential ingredient being the role of the individual (You and I). I left it because it was unfortunate that you failed to see it in the ensuing act of engaging in debates that is capable of transforming public policy. If we had progressed to discuss rural development, perhaps the next commissioner for rural development could pick a few points.

But you chose to debate out of context. That is what, in the olden days, was termed op. Now op, especially here means original poster. I actually meant the old "out of point"

Now if you wish to switch the discussion to how individuals can excel, fine, but it is a different topic and I would most likely take a different pitch than asking Enugu kids to emulate Ford or George Soros when we lack the enabling investment plank form.

With hope that you will retool and refocus on what will be beneficial to very many, can we now discuss "the role of government which IS TO PROVIDE ENABLING ENVIRONMENT". Or would you, in your usual character, say it is entirely up to me? Retool and the discussion will become useful. How can government perform its role, which is, to provide the right environment for private enterprise to thrive? How can next government in Enugu State improve the overall competitiveness of the State in the global market place? And lets see whether the answer will be macadamized thoroughfare and patachy, overpriced made in China traffic lights basically dumped on hapless ignorant people whom you wish to continue to be ignorant so that the fleecing of our commonly owned wealth will continue endlessly.

kmariko:


No here are the choices for the like minds like yours.

1. William Boeing like in Boeing aircraft employs 250,000 people
2. Microsoft as in bill gates employs over 150000 people
3. Toyoda as in Toyota cars employs over 300000 people.

The list is too long
But the uniting factor is that they created the "common wealth" you are screaming about without the government and now when they sneeze the government listens.
You know nothing stops anyone from besting the list above, but first one have to roll up their sleeves and grab the shovel or whatever and get to work with mininal noise.

Thanks and be well

You know quite well that I decided to take it easy with you. Comparing apples to oranges is a crafty tool of disinformation.

Nothing, hear me loud, NOTHING, can substitute the role of the State. I was interested in how to better focus the role of State. Mind you, Enugu has an economy that is dominated by State. So better society is much plausible if those in charge of State craft are properly focused and primed to serve the people.

Now you have listed American success stories, which are naturally in America that has remained the world no 1 success story. Toyota brand named after the city of Toyota in Japan is agreat success story of Asia's greates success story, Japan.

In each of the examples you gave, there is a nexus with a government that is able to carry its own weight. For instance, would you also list out the number of schemes that US Govt has for supporting entrepreneurs and budding entrepreneurs, not venturing into a vibrant venture capitalism sector that basically hunts down upstarts with great idea. An earthquake occured in Japan, destroying major arterial roads and the over 200km road was fixed within a span of 10 days. Your government is still telling stories on East-West Road, Enugu-Onitsha Road, Okigwe Port Harcourt Road, etc. and your solution to it all is leave them alone.

Just like we were told then, as biafrans, that we could defeat well-armed federal troops with cutlasses and clubs. Bros, if you were part of Ojukwu's propaganda machine headed then by Chukwumerije with late ace spin doctor radio announver, Okon Okon Ndem, pls say so. But the shocker for you is that it is over 45years dated. It won't work in modern day society.

It will help for us to define and agree the role of the State. I do not agree with you that all we need to do is to leave government alone to do what it pleases. That is not what happens in the US. Get your facts right.

When we have a thread to discuss individual ingenuity and what people can do with their bare hands, we all head in and bring in beautiful thoughts. Right here, I was of the belief that the nice pics courtesy of goodman Spyder880 could be put in context, in the right frame as a lopsided effort of a team that could have done much better.

Now, you won't go far tutoring me or anyone about how to be self reliant. Reason, you sound clearly as a salaried worker and your examples are rusty -why pick the Rockyfellas, the Boeing and Microsoft when you can mention Peace Mass Transit that has over 2,000 buses on different routes all over Nigeria. Who are you trying to intimidate by your google search, eh?

Just pack well

Enugu PDP Cracks into multiple pieces as parallel primaries held in almost all federal constituencies in the State. Details soon.

Otil, how far?? Pls brief on outcome of Udi/Ezg

swagwu:
thnx xo much...

Enugu PDP Cracks into multiple pieces as parallel primaries held in almost all federal constituencies in the State. Details soon.

Otil, how far??

But just before we finally leave them, I give you a case study of two States -Akwa Ibom and Enugu. Of all the differences in their financial status, etc. there is one uniting set of factors. They are States where the incumbents have pursued pipedreams for their people and backed it with heavy meadi blitz. Akwa Ibom -uncommon transformation; Enugu -massive (Enugu) urban infrastructure upgrade. Meanwhile unemployment poverty rates in the States continue to sky-rocket. Elitist -Elitism, you choose. Whats the reward? When it was time to call on the people, the people were on the other side. How come the uncommon transformer is fighting in trenches trying to get a successor in and how come Chime of Enugu is failing woefully in holding an ordinary State Chapter of the Party intact. Go also to Ekiti and find out why a PhD holder sitting governor was upstaged by a man that started as a bus conductor.

The choice remains ours

kmariko:


This part of your contribution got me interested for the simple reason of one important factor that was missing in it . YOU.
Take spyder the producer of this thread for example he does not depend on the government for his livelihood. He goes out there and bring home the bacon.
You have identified the states resources, why can't you use your own intellect,connections and other resources to exploit those resources in your State Enugu and employ these "teeming unemployed" people in the state. Am sure your kind is what the state really needs. To bring home the bacon. If you haven't got the news yet. Here it is. Governments do not produce jobs but enabling environment for people like spyder to prosper
Thanks and be well

Yea, sure. This is quite smart. Instructive too. We should bring ideas of what we can do as individuals.

If you say that and mean we should leave government alone, I say, em em em. Well, should we leave government completely out? And me, ordinary me nwa Omeje begin to exploit coal deposits in Ezimo, Limestone/Cement in Amechi-Idodo, Gas in Ugwuoba and so on? Okay I get the drift -leave government alone... don't even utter a word and let them do whatever they like with our common wealth -like dealing with items that don't come anywhere near the real needs of the people. Perfect!

Well, crazy Amaechi once said that those in government steal public funds because we, the public, allow them.

Now I am confused. I thought it was global best practice for civilians (civil society) to hold government accountable. In fact before then, help in shaping policies and programmes of government.

Now it is clear that I have just been taliking to myself.

Ok. Let's leave them