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honeric01:
I said some of the players, now you are bringing up 90%, hehehe, you are a joke hehehehe, infact, i don tire for u joor.  , how many Local players did

And who is laughing with you.

I thought you don tire?

Anyway, you have and are entitled to your own opinion, no matter how wayward some of us find it. If Mr Maurice as you say is coach, or Sia1 is coach, or Maradona con carry Naija coach position, let us stop this nonsense of saying Siasia is not qualified, because he is.

Ranoscky:
Mens dept

No need for me to say more b'cos, u'v said it all!
I no know wen naija go stop to dey C "white" skin as " Best". say na dem sabi pass. i just taya for dis country!
Westerhof is d only coach dat i can rate above siasia in terms of coache's dat'v handled d SE, so dia4, Let d NFF pay siasia d money he's demandin, n even pay him d sign on fee for he deserve's it!

Beta Person

You are correct in saying that Pa Awo outlined a better strategy for the West. But that strategy was one that cared less for Nigeria as a nation. You can't have that philosophy and turn around to chop money with Gowon at the so-called FEDERAL EXEC Council. It's like the Abia governor who today is PPA, then APGA, and currently PDP with possibility of going PPA again.

Was Awo a better leader for the West than Akintola or Fajuyi or anyone else?

You could make the same argument for Sarduana. Was he really better than Amino Kano?

Ironsi's regime was fair and not illegal, as the military toppled the govt before he and millions could count to three. Yet Awo, was one of the beneficiaries of what Ironsi "started".

NNDP was not Nigeria's first national party, it was NCNC. (For the record)

Unfortunately I agree koruji. This latest outburst from Mbu wont change the next election. Balewa was kidnapped and whatever happened under that kidnapping will always be attributed to the kidnappers.

Whether or not the coupist did the right thing by ousting him is another story.  

What about the Sarduana? Maimlari? Akintola?

Even Ironsi and Fajuyi nko?

Are we to say that they actually died of this and that 40 years later?

It would have made more sense to say that the coupist in January and those in July 66 regretted causing alot of confusion and death to Fulani, Igbo, and Yoruba families, and as a result, destroying Naija as a whole.

Some Nigerians are lazy, others cowards, yet still, others very hard working, brave, and true professionals.

The problem with Naija simply is leadership, and the bad and ugly there trickle down into society as a whole.

honeric01:
They finished 8th on the table, not because they weren't good enough, but because they channeled their manpower towards the champions league (they also had small team size), they finished as the 2nd runner up in the caf champions league behind TP mazembe, Emeteole was not sacked because they finished 8th, he was sacked for the reasons i highlighted below, they just wanted something to use as an excuse to have him sacked, so forget the yeye quote you dey quote.

The same players you claim they are to go on strike because of not being paid finished 2nd in ACL, so wetin be your point?

They channeled their energy in the champions league? That sounds like an England excuse when they fail (Our players are burnt out from the Club competitions eh).

Emeteole was sacked because they had a bad season and were entering the Champions League matches. Amodu was sacked in 2002 under the same circumstances in Mali ANC. Those "yeye" quotes must have come from a "yeye" coach abi?

honeric01:
^^^^

See who's shutting someone up, they wanted Siasia to come coach them just because they think once he becomes the coach of the SE, he might want to pick some players from heartland to the SE, thereby upping the value of these players (that means more money for heartland, incase these players end up being sought after by bigger and richer clubs).

You sure do not know much about football, if not, you would have asked Siasia why he likes picking up late jobs, the same thing he did with the U-20, he ended up denting his certificate, now he's doing the same with Heartland, who's to blame? NFA or Nigerians this time around?

He has only won 1 match since he took over Heartland in the ACL.

He's not what the money he's asking and i am saying it without fear!

My goodness,

Why would he want to upgrade the Heartland players into Super Eagles and forget the remaining 900+ pool of players Naija has? Didnt you see the squad list against Madagascar? Were there not plenty of local players that Eguavoen took? Even the u20/23 players often come from the domestic league.

Look, if you were given 300k a month for 3, 4, even 5 months prior to the World Cup, without playing any meaningful friendlies until weeks till the opening match to coach SE or England, wouldn't you? Well, Lagerback and Ericksson both did, and Ivory Coast and Nigeria are the 1s they are chanting in Europe as the mumus.

Keshi coached floppy Mali, Chukwu was in Kenya for sometime before taking the Naija job.


Where was Amodu coaching before his appointment two years ago? If Sia1 likes, he can coach the Botswana team, which by the way, is leading their ANC group, ahead of Tunisia

honeric01:
You don't even know what you are saying, Heartland was doing well before the coach was sacked, they got to the final of the Caf champions league, on their way there, they beat Kano pillars 5 : 0 on aggregate ( the same Kano pillars that removed Al Alhy Heartland couldn't beat under siasia).

So don't come here with that talk abeg.

My friend shut up jah'

Just stop and ask yourself why the "late" appointment of Sia1 in the first place. Heartland just finished 8TH in the league. We are not talking of LAST YEAR, but their current form, which if you follow CURRENT NEWS, wasnt good enough to go far. Their former coach, Emeteole, attributes his sacking as a result of that and management problems in the club( i.e. player bonuses, strikes, etc.)

"My players were always demanding because they owe them a lot, the players were always going on strike." Emeteole told BBC Sport.

"And they [club management] said that I and my chief coach are the brain behind it, that we instigated it.

"But we have been doing a lot to make sure they carry on until money is available," he continued.

Mind your sef

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HERE IS AN ASSESSMENT OF SIASIA'S COACHING ABILITIES,
NIGERIANS WE ARE SO PATHETIC. NO WONDER MEDIOCRITY IS THE ORDER OF THE DAY.

At times statistics can be misleading and if "spinned", used as propaganda.  The woeful campaign of Heartland began long before Sia1 took over. Also, at the club level you often have a set of players that are on contract, loan, or transfer, unlike national teams (i.e. U20, U-23, etc) where you have a larger and available group to freely choose from.

Infact, Sia1 had more national team coaching experience than many who were appointed to take their sides to the last WC, some who never even coached at the U23 level. Why not post his overall record, including his grooming and coaching players that include Osaze, Taiwo, Mikel, and against players that are terrorizing the world (i.e. Messi)?

If Sia1 isnt your bet for a coach, then why hire a European that doesnt know, respect, or care about your country (Berti Vogts) and youth instead of a descent indigenous coach.

1) Are you willing to share your salary
2) Are you willing to play by corrupt NFF rules
3) Are you willing to take bribes from bench-warmer players in UEFA
4) Are you willing to take those players, even if injured, to major tournaments
5) Are you willing to allow players to enter camp 1 day to a match
6) Are you willing to allow indiscipline in your team
7) Are you willing to prefer "Premeirship/shit" players only
Are you a O Y I B O? If not, are you willing to be replaced by one if you qualify for the WC?


If you answer yes to 7/out of 8, then you're on your way

GEJ should not have lifted the ban until NFF was CLEARLY and not partially rebranded

Well done! More grease to your elbows Pastor!

Nonsense. Some leaders think they are above it all until one crack in the ceiling threatens the whole roof. He's now a God-fearing this and that. Ohakim, Please become a pastor in 2011 and leave government house to serious people.

koruji:
1. So you are Igbo afterall. Mr. Komando had suggested the Yorubas sent you to derail the "Extent of Alaigbo" thread, but you were "walked out". You are no longer Igbo because you raised a point of objection to anything labeled Igbo

2. I am not sure who you refer to as having greater vision than Awo, but I think it is Zik. The problem is that all you want to talk about is how Zik was winning election in the West and claim that Awo introduced tribalism. It seems from what you wrote above that NCNC was founded by a Yoruba man, but when Zik took over it got converted to an Igbo party, not that it did not have Yoruba members, but they were relegated - everything was labeled Igbo. The question that is most relevant is what had Zik done as a party-man for Yorubas. Why would the Yorubas not follow someone who promised them a better deal, the great man Awo. His vision, which was overwhelmingly acknowledged, convinced Yoruba people that he was the right leader - and Yorubas were right to follow his vision. His accomplishments as a politician REMAINS UNRIVALED to this day. Yorubas are looking to the likes of Fashola for another golden age of vision. If Yorubas were simply Obasanjo would simply have had to say his name to get votes. He didn't because he was a bit short on vision, though a great pragmatist.

3. This is related in a coincidental way to (1)&(2). Unless someone allows an Igbo man to do what he wants or supports the Igbo in any way, it doesn't matter what, he is either a tribalist, coward, dog, etc. Fajuyi is all you mentioned in your view not because of those achievements, but because he chose to die with Ironsi - that is the begining and end of it for you. It is good of you to acknowledge his bravery today, but in your next breath you will declare all Yorubas to be cowards. Ah! If Fajuyi were alive today he would acknowledge Awolowo as the greater of the two, although he was great in his own right. Awo became a tribalist in your view because he stopped claims to rulership without accomplishements that was going to be pushed on his people. Today you NL Igbos claim you respect northerners because, to quote one of you, "if they tell you they are going to kill you, then they will kill you ". In reality, you are just scared of them! In your messed up psyche you love the Northerners because they are "strong", and hate the Yorubas because they are "cowards". You guys need to read up on "Stockholm Syndrome" beofre you come to here NL to expose your damaged psyche.

LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Please clap for yourself 

That so-called thread, "The true Extent of Igboland" I found to be silly, find many Igbo to be silly, just like the current thread on "The Unfinished Greatness of Pa Awo", again the silliest.

If you really want to know, I could be Igbo, with a Yoruba mummy, along with a  Ijaw half-broda with a Tiv uncle, etc., so that cheap attempt to discredit what I wrote  doesn't work.

I could care less for Zik, Awo, and Bello. Compared to GREAT men and women in history, all I could ascribe to them is that "they tried", which often isn't good enough to be considered great. Yet, since we are talking about so-called great vision, putting Awo's name in that arena is very questionable.

Why some Nigerians like to use the word "take over" is pathetic. Perhaps we all have been militarized eh'. In those days, Zik and co won elections and did not "TAKE OVER" parties, until AWO introduced rigging and tribalism on a large scale. Where and what did Awolowo win? Did he not serve in an illegal regime featuring murders and dictators?

Fajuyi was in power long enough to comment on Awo, and I'm glad he never applauded the tribal chief. Same goes if Macaulay was alive in 1968.

And please, how can you put Fashola in the AG network in today's Naija?

Doesnt really change the overall story that much. Coupist struck, and indirectly or directly as a result, Balewa died.

T9ksy:
@mens dept. pls can u expantiate on your last post. what do u mean by "unfinished greatness of Fajuyi and Macaulay? FYI, Macaulay started the first political party in the country, circa 1925. it was a yoruba party before zik came along and destroyed it only to then form NCNC in the mid-40's, which was basically an igbo party with few yorubas. Fajuyi on the other hand chosed to die with his host and boss, an igbo man during the july '67 revenge coup by murtala, danjuma, Ibb and co. This is no attempt at revisionism, i have facts to buttress my claim.

So far your "facts" are inaccurate, and I'm afraid to see any further ones from you. How can you say NCNC was an Igbo party with "a few Yorubas". If that WAS true, then were those "few Yorubas" idiots?

NCNC was formed primarily from the then meeting(s) of Nigerian Union of Students, and became Naija's first political party. Macaulay was elected it's first national president and held the post until he took ill and passed. Among it's chief members and supporters were Council of Ijebu National Societies, Yaba Estate Social Club, Ila Patriotic Union, Akure Federal Union, Council of Ijesha Societies, and Ekiti Parapo Society, so a "few Yorubas" eh?

There is no doubt that he had a greater vision and performed immensely for both the area of Lagos and Nigeria as a whole, when compared to a Tribalist and opportunist like AWOLOWO. The same goes for the award winning, disciplined, dedicated, and Pro-Nigerian Fajuyi

And if UEFA, oops, EU/NATO agree, what will African leaders like Theo Orji do with their own share in their own feudal boundaries?

Wow, so as most of the road networks in Naija remain the way they were 10, 15, 20 years ago, we actually have "billions" tucked away some where, along with a balance of 450 MILLION left. Na'wah.

And it is called Excess Crude Account or so?

Does that mean that the money in this account came from "NIGERIA", or just the states like Abia, Rivers, Edo, Akwa Ibom, Delta, Cross River, Ondo, etc. Please enlighten us on the so called revenue sharing agreement, and which leader (or former dictator) initiated this?

Correct me if I'm wrong, but didnt we hear of this same talk in 1983, with NPN suggesting that Ekwueme/Igbo will take the next election? Even in 2003, we heard that Igbo should come "after OBJ", and saw the same Ekwueme and 30 other Igbo candidates side-lined. Then again in 2007 rotation was to come to the Igbo, with numerous alive and now dead "NORTHERN" politicians along with [b]IBB's inlaw [/b]from Anioma promising, saying, and gisting that come 2007 it must go East? Now it's 2015, and when another Northerner is elected then, he'll say 2019 abi 2023.

By the way folks, when we are saying that Igbo will support the North or a candidate, are we talking about the authentic Igbo votes in Nnewi, Kwale, Ahoada, Abakaliki, Orlu? Or are we talking about the rigged vote or even the vote of so-called Igbo political players (i.e. Ohakim, Iwuanyanwu, Orji Kalu and broda Theo Orji)?

Och77:
What is Siasia's records, this man is just over rated and it's getting in to his head. Is $60,000 per month not a good salary for someone who is presently earning very less than $10,000? Siasia will never coach this country if he continues in this manner. If he was that good, how many foreign offers has he got. Is two silver medals at age grade competitions a guarantee of his coaching prowess at the senior level?

Of course it is! U20 and U23, which he coached well and coached against the likes of Messi? What do you guys want from a broda? We hired Bonfrere Jo in the same vein, paying him big bucks and can't try Sia1 for one game? Haba.

What was Dunga's record before coaching Brazil, or that of the coaches of Argentina, Korea, and Greece, which all finished ahead of us in the last WC. No team [b]has ever won the World Cup with a foreign coac[/b]h---not even England, and currently, no foreign coach has won the AFRICAN CUP OF NATIONS since at least 2004 (6 years- 3 editions).

So we in Africa are really inferior abi, and can pay mediocre Europeans the big bucks as long as they "share salary" with our FA officials sheh'. Or do we feel good just having a OYIBO on the sidelines hoping he knows what he's doing? Yet Africa has not done any better than Cameroon did in 1990 Qfinal berth.

England hired an Italian because his so called CV was long, and were/are paying him 205K a month, For what? Mexico paid indigenous coach Javier Aguirre 333K a month, and Marcelo Bielsa  coaching Chile at 70k a month.

So lets support our own folks, not for the sake of color, but for once, to really get to to where we need to be. We dont need Queen Eliza ruling us because we accept bad indigenous leadership, and we don't need Lagerback because we choose mediocre Amodu to better indigenous coaches like Sia1

ChinenyeN:
Had stated your point in this manner, earlier on, I'm almost positive that you could have avoided going back and forth with people, as you did. Really, none of us here have any issues with the suggestion in the above quote. We could easily do such, without a problem.

Indeed, I'll take that into consideration

Andre Uweh:
Please do not display further stupidity here. No one has a monopoly of starting a thread. Do you have nacrotic fingers that can not enable you start a thread on fear of arm robbery?. It is an outright stupidity from your own part to tell forumites what they ought not write. Mind you it is against forum rules to post off topic. Let me not warn you again.

Your post indirectly is suggesting that you are trying to tell me what to write. I am aware of "forum" rules, which arent being followed on various threads, yet that is another story. The true extent of Igboland can and should include matters happening in and related to that very part of the world. If you want me to bombard this thread with those things that are more relevant than what I am finding here, then sure. Basically people can and should write about whatever makes them feel happy, and name all 500,000 Igbo autonomous communities if they like. For yours truly, I will challenge those writings if I and others find them trivial and indeed, misleading to the "TRUE" extent of Igboland.

Has anyone cared to ask why there's no Anioma State today? That is relevant to this topic

Onovo Onovo, first they said you cant be IG because Goodluck wanted SS man, yet they took SS Igbo (Mike Mba Okiro)

Now they say you must go to jail, when Yerima and co are all there eating and drinking

[quote author=Aloy_Emeka link=topic=507886.msg6688307#msg6688307 date=1283462426]They check the amount generated by properties, investments and natural resources before giving the state their bill. The whole SE states will not be paying the same amount because the amount they generate varies. Same goes for Lagos and Rivers states that pays almost twice what other qualified states pay.Personally, I think Eboyi state should be exempted like other impoverished states in the North and South west.[/quote]Better

Dede1:
It is very funny you spent much of the Internet bandwidth without convincing anybody about the source of the headache you had with this thread. You almost stumbled onto the truth when you wrote “As for Igbo, maybe before the war”. I had expected you to write that the civil war is yet to be concluded and as a true blue blooded Igbo person you are getting ready while encouraging novices such as you to know the extent of Igboland shrunk through adoptation of punitive boundary adjustment implemented your good friends.

I bet you do not even know how to present ordinary kolanut as required by the doctrines of Igbo culture and tradition. I honestly do not think that Igbo would ever achieve solidarity with a goofy whiner such as you. You wrote about hailing from Obingwa LGA and I seriously doubt such arrogation since you could not write your name. There is no doubt that your presents did not name you Emeka.

I should write my name lol. Well its Dede1. I'm not from Obingwa, and if you were from there, you'll know that the name Emeka, originated chiefly among Anambara dialect groups and not Ngwa

See, presenting "orji" can be learned on Youtube. You could bet I wont write page after page online about the true extent of the kola nut, despite the fact that it's an important symbol for various groups in West Africa, particularly Igbo. Your post just adds to the delusion that Igbo people still continue to have in the scheme of things. Today we are talking the true extent of Igboland, when you can't comfortably get from "Obingwa" to Umuahia without fear of armed robbery. So let's include the serious and relevant with the fantasy and "feel good".

Violence is what I fear for Naija, violence carried out on the wrong persons

[quote author=Aloy_Emeka link=topic=507886.msg6687992#msg6687992 date=1283458442]Why not focus on your problem first. The article did not say other zones are not owing but SE states are owing N13bn. You don't have to wait for other zones to pay up before you pay yours.

Also, not all states in Nigeria pay taxes to FG. Ekiti, Jigawa and many Northern states do not pay taxes because they are on life support. So, PAY up playa.[/quote]I believe if you re-read my short and simple post, you will agree that the number 1 comes before the number 2, and then 3, 4, etc. Yet, the SE states are part of Naija along with those states on "life support".

By the way, who should pay from the SE? The students at FUTO, the traders at Aba? The coal miners in Enugu?

Re-reading the original article there are two areas that come into play:

1) The message
2) The messenger


The message is very plausible. Naija already has enormous problems, and to a large extent, many female youths are now aristos or waiting to be married off to shaddy men in Yankee. Many male youths are in MEND, MASSOB, Islamic militant groups, internet cafe's, political assassins, etc. The remaining youth are in the middle of all the chaos. Yet those who are to show direction (i.e. Yerima) are busy globetrotting, marrying 13 year olds, embezzling, aristo-ing, or having 8 kids in the village that has no light.

So at least, the message is plausible and should be taken serious.

The messenger, representing the British/British gov't, has played and continues to play a large extent in the destruction of the African people. They wont say or add the full picture, that the British/British Gov't are not naturally superior, but greedy and have 419ed the world siiiiiiiiiiiince!

Onlytruth:
Igbo attributes summarized:

Strong individuality
Observant
Reflective thinkers (double emphasis )
Rapid actors (we don't just talk )
Remarkably keen and true sense of justice (double emphasis )
Determination to get justice (tripple emphasis )
Distinctly warlike (double emphasis )

The bolded is the most distinct attribute of Ndigbo. We not only love justice, we are determined to get it!
That is who we are.

My dear these are traits found among responsible people. Looking at what you posted, I can perhaps generalize the Arabs, Indians, Chinese, and Europeans as having these traits. As for Igbo, maybe before the war. So if you are trying to REMIND Igbo that this is how they once were as a group, or ought to be, then I salute you.

[quote author=bk.babe97y link=topic=500126.msg6687369#msg6687369 date=1283451423]Yeah, because the Yorubas stayed away and let you guys discuss/plan to eat each other in peace. I guess what woulda happened if this was a Yoruba thread!? See why I take their side now? Do u now see that they dont care about u guys and your inferiority complex?![/quote]I cant agree more. People can post all they want, but lets call a spade a spade. If it takes us 31 pages of round-robin matches to say what is the obvious, in fact things that are already well documented, then yes, Igbo will continue to be regarded as nonentities on the big stage. We are talking about the true extent of Alaigbo in the way school children do. (Hi my name is Emeka and I'm from Obingwa LGA, what about you, Are delta Igbo really Igbo?, Goodluck Johnathan is Igbo because, )

Well, lets say that as of today the true extent of Igboland is a place without any major world class city, international airport, etc. In fairness, it is as a result of marginalization by others, and the lack of solidarity among Igbo. Perhaps this lack of solidarity can be in part a lack of understanding of the "true extent of Igboland", and that Igbo is Igbo, regardless of arbitrary borders (i.e. "Delta" State, Ebonyi State). So, if Igbo people's current dialogue on Nairaland today is about how big and shiny their land is-and that's it- then it's a pity.

What about the Unfinished greatness of Fajuyi or Herbert Mac? Awo and co are going to remain part and parcel of the multitude of failed African leaders