₦airaland Forum

MaxInDHouse:
You're totally a FOOL!

Imagine a person believes everything Muhammad taught and he's doing it but he's a dumb that can't speak. Do you think you can ever hear a single word from a dumb?
Is he not practicing everything Allah sent Muhammad to do?
So what excludes him from being a believer if he's practicing everything the last prophet taught?

You people are just bunch of fools walahi talahi!

Old idiot goat!
Speak for your religion.

I am a Muslim!

advocatejare:
Muhammad stood against the teachings of Jesus Christ.

He committed adultery by coveting Zainab, the wife of his adopted son.

He sent killers to those who insulted him.

He preached hate

He set up blackstone and his tribal moon god for worship


He stole and plundered


He broke his vows

Etc

Al-Baqarah 2:6
Indeed, those who disbelieve – it is all the same for them whether you warn them or do not warn them – they will not believe.

MaxInDHouse:
The funny thing here is that the so called Muslims arguing with you are as dumb as you are!
Whoever makes Christ's teachings his way of life has become a Christian, it's as simple as that.
So if you're practicing everything Muhammad taught but saying you don't believe that the same Muhammad who brought the teachings is not a prophet of God then your brain need a reset!

Oga, speak for your religion.

You can't deny Muhammad and claim to remain/be a Muslim.

Who does that?

Aal-al-Imran 3:81
And [recall, O People of the Scripture], when Allah took the covenant of the prophets, [saying], "Whatever I give you of the Scripture and wisdom and then there comes to you a messenger confirming what is with you, you [must] believe in him and support him." [Allah] said, "Have you acknowledged and taken upon that My commitment?" They said, "We have acknowledged it." He said, "Then bear witness, and I am with you among the witnesses."

MaxInDHouse:
The funny thing here is that the so called Muslims arguing with you are as dumb as you are!
Whoever makes Christ's teachings his way of life has become a Christian, it's as simple as that.
So if you're practicing everything Muhammad taught but saying you don't believe that the same Muhammad who brought the teachings is not a prophet of God then your brain need a reset!

Oga, speak for your religion.

You can't deny Muhammad and claim to remain/be a Muslim.

Who does that?

TenQ:
I can never forget the first time I read the hadiths in my state library. They had a large volume of all the hadiths.
I couldn't help but marvel at the contents.

The age of ICT just made information mining far much easier.

Google Translate is my friend: All the hidden things in Arabic is made plain.

Unfortunately, the lies hidden in Arabic ius getting exposed by the day. And truly speaking, I don't trust translations made by Muslims either for the Quran or their hadiths ( I double check in case they have smuggled in something else to modify the true meaning of the text).

God is indeed very Good!

Your headache to deal with.

Al-Baqarah 2:2
This is the Book about which there is no doubt, a guidance for those conscious of Allah .
Al-Baqarah 2:3
Who believe in the unseen, establish prayer, and spend out of what We have provided for them,

Al-Baqarah 2:4
And who believe in what has been revealed to you, [O Muhammad], and what was revealed before you, and of the Hereafter they are certain [in faith].

Al-Baqarah 2:5
Those are upon [right] guidance from their Lord, and it is those who are the successful.

Al-Baqarah 2:6
Indeed, those who disbelieve – it is all the same for them whether you warn them or do not warn them – they will not believe.


These are the Muslim translations.

You can consult google translate for more headaches!

LOL!

advocatejare:
I am happy that you’re highlighting what makes him your god and why you rate him higher than the figurehead god


The Quran was his only miracle and yet, he failed to compile it as a book before he died. It was people that came after him that began to edit, distort and destroy the original manuscripts after he had died. So he failed in his mission and that is why you have so many versions of the Quran today and the original manuscript without diacritical marks is no where to be found today!


Jesus Christ is far far greater than Muhammad and whatever Islam stood for, that was why before Muhammad could gain any relevance he had to associate himself with the same Jesus by lying that he came to succeed Jesus even though he was the exact opposite of what Jesus taught and stood for.

Jesus’ name and teachings keep spreading all over the world even without applying the forceful killing apostates law that you are using to sustain Islam today.

Well, we revere Jesus too, though he was for a previous generation and people.
Exactly why Muhammad never claimed to be doing anything differently from other messengers before him.
He is the seal of prophethood from Allah.

Al-Fath 48:28
It[b] is He who sent His Messenger with guidance and the religion of truth to manifest it over all religion. And sufficient is Allah as Witness.
[/b]

Allah is time!

TenQ:
Don't you read books in the library?
The truth is a kind of INFORMATION and it sets free when you adopt it.

The virtual library where you get pictures from?

TenQ:
Unfortunately without lies, Islam dies!
Islam has to be sustained with force, lies and deception to hold people in captivity.

Question: How many Qurans do we have?
Muslims Answer: One
Truth: We have seen 34 different Arabic Qurans and still counting

Question: Has the Quran ever been changed?
Muslims Answer: Not at all. Its the same letter by letter, word by word even up to the dialectical marks
Truth: Hundreds of differences Qurans and still counting have been found

Question: Is Mohammed the last Prophet?
Muslims Answer: He is the last and the greatest of them all
Truth: Yet, Jesus is not dead and is coming back to kill the Dajjal, break the crosses and kill the pigs and would be buried beside Mohammed

Question: Did Jesus die on the cross?
Muslims Answer: No, He didn't. But we don't know what happened to him
Truth: Mary the Mother of Jesus witnessed his death, John the disciple witnessed his death. The disciples witnessed his assentation. Jews claimed they killed Him. Roman historians documented the christus that was crucified. Now 700 years after, a new history appeared.

Question: How come the Quran?
Muslims Answer: Angel Gabriel dictated the words of Allah to Mohammed
Truth: If Allah is God, how comes he thought that the sun set inside the murky waters? How come Allah confused Mary mother of Jesus with Miriam sister of Aaron? How come Abraham was delivered from the fire rather than Shadrach, Meshach and Abednego? How come Allah prays for Muhammad? How come Trinity is God, Mary and Jesus?

Unfortunately without lies, Islam dies a natural death!

On the internet...

advocatejare:
Your words are the words of a poisoned god who died in agony without fulfilling his mission and the only miracle he claimed to have performed was not even done when he was alive and has been edited multiple times

LOL!

Sallalahu Alaihim wa Sallam!

His name resonates in mosques around the world atleast 5 times every single day for centuries now.

He is revered and praised by over a billion people every single day for centuries now.

Millions are willing to kill and be killed for his name and everything he stood for!

Yet, he never fufilled his mission.

Name another being living or dead that can match him...

Sallalahu Alaihim wa Sallam!

Ar-Ra'd 13:43
And those who have disbelieved say, "You are not a messenger." Say, [O Muhammad], "Sufficient is Allah as Witness between me and you, and [the witness of] whoever has knowledge of the Scripture."


Al-'Ankabut 29:52
Say, "Sufficient is Allah between me and you as Witness. He knows what is in the heavens and earth. And they who have believed in falsehood and disbelieved in Allah – it is those who are the losers

Al-Ahqaf 46:8
Or do they say, "He has invented it"? Say, "If I have invented it, you will not possess for me [the power of protection] from Allah at all. He is most knowing of that in which you are involved. Sufficient is He as Witness between me and you, and He is the Forgiving, the Merciful."


Al-Ahqaf 46:12
And before it was the scripture of Moses to lead and as a mercy. And this is a confirming Book in an Arabic tongue to warn those who have wronged and as good tidings to the doers of good.

MrBachelor:
It's a new day. Post something sensible for once. You can not be stupîd every day of the week.

LOL!
This off me!

Deprofessional:
Nigeria is bigger than state.

States were you have same religion governor and vice are states with 70 to 100 percent christian or moslim.
Kaduna is the exception here.

The ration of christians to moslems in Nigeria is almost 50: 50 if not more in favour of christians.

Our docility as christians has ended. We will assert our presence in Nigeria going forward.

No Christian will vote APC except, of course, those from south west.

I guess south west christians are also fake christians to vote APC.

Deprofessional:
Nigeria is bigger than state.

States were you have same religion governor and vice are states with 70 to 100 percent christian or moslim.
Kaduna is the exception here.

The ration of christians to moslems in Nigeria is almost 50: 50 if not more in favour of christians.

Our docility as christians has ended. We will assert our presence in Nigeria going forward.

No Christian will vote APC except, of course, those from south west.

I guess south west christians are also fake christians to vote APC?

TenQ:
You highlighted
1. Praying five times a day: As a Christian, I am required to pray without ceasing (always being in an attitude of conversation with God)
2. Fasting during Ramadan: As a Christian, I fast at will and no day or month is more important than another
3. Making pilgrimage to Mecca: As a Christian I am under no obligation to make pilgrimage to anywhere as it doesn't add anything to my faith or spiritual life. I could very well go to Mecca to have a spiritual retreat as the Earth is the Lord's and the fullness thereof.


So, why should I believe Mohammed if I can fulfill the five pillars of Islam as a Christian.


Of course, I cannot join you to kiss the black stone as it is idolatry neither would I go round the Kaaba as it is an instruction from Mohammed.

LOL!

Very predictable.

No wahala! Continue worshipping your crucifiedgod!

TenQ:
I don't have any problems with
1. Belief in God
2. praying five times a day;
3. giving zakat, or donating a certain portion of one's wealth;
4. fasting during Ramadan; and
5. making a pilgrimage to Mecca in Saudi Arabia.


Because none of the five pillars nullify my faith in Christ Jesus.
I only ask if it is possible to become a Muslim WITHOUT believing in Mohammed.

Why?
Mohammed is not the only prophet who taught people to believe in the oneness of God, praying , giving, fasting or making pilgrimage. So, why should I believe Mohammed if I can fulfill the five pillars of Islam.

Ok.

advocatejare:
And you have been wailing and pained for ages. I like the way I’m making you feel, if you can’t stand the heat, you can leave the kitchen! If my revelation about the paganism you called religion is paining you, stop reading my posts!

My words aren't the words of your crucifiedgod which you edit at will.

AntiChristian:
But we all know the guy is a liar! How will you believe some of what Muhammad brought and yet refuse to believe in him?

Na so I no dey answer them much again except once in some days.

True!

TenQ:
I don't have any problems with
1. Belief in God
2. praying five times a day;
3. giving zakat, or donating a certain portion of one's wealth;
4. fasting during Ramadan; and
5. making a pilgrimage to Mecca in Saudi Arabia.

HOWEVER,
I do not believe that Mohammed is a Prophet of God nor His Messager.
(Based on several issues)

Is it possible to be a Moslem with this condition?

I know you are lying as characteristic of you.

You believe in the message not the messenger.

How then are you sure of the message?

advocatejare:
I know that life is difficult for the blind, seeing you cannot see. Anyday you can see again, go and read what I posted and the screenshots and you’ll see that Al-Makireena the best of the deceivers and your Alfas who are his followers have deceived you that Quran doesn’t have versions

I guess the deceiver you always call upon has gotten the better of you. You have become the deceived.

Your Nonsense! That only exist on the internet.

You've been on it for ages...

DaveDGreat:
Dear Nairalanders,

You can see how Tinubu's urchins keep insulting a body that represents Christians nationwide. It's left for you guys to respond accordingly with your PVCs.

Thank you.

If we are going to vote on religious ground, Tinubu can as well be called President in waiting...

advocatejare:
Why are you now pained and complaining? If it’s true that it’s not your headache then you should have ignored it, but since you didn’t then your head is truly aching you knowing that your bible has many versions in chapters and meanings

Many versions in chapters and meanings made up by crucifiedgod worshippers?

I know this for ages!

advocatejare:
The earliest manuscripts of your Quran have different chapters, the later manuscripts have different meanings

Masud’s version: 111 chapters
Surahs missing in Ibn Masud mushaf
Ibn Masud’s mushaf (codex) does not have three surahs: al-Fatihah and al-mu’awwizatayn (al-Falaq and al-Nas), i.e. nos. 1, 113 and 114

Ubai’s version: 116 chapters
Has two extra surahs Surat al-Khaland Surat al-Hafd that are not found today




Is Hafs and Warsh the same? No
Surah 2:85
Hafs: you do
Warsh: They do

Surah 15:8
Hafs: We do not send down..

Warsh: they do not come down..


we have been told that Quran is 100% preserved by Allah, words to words, letter to letter, dot to dot.


Infact , in Surah 15 vs 9 ,Allah said:
"Indeed, it is We who sent down the Qur'an and indeed, We will be its guardian." That means nothing has changed in the Quran.. but how true is that?

lets us compare HAFS ``SAHRAAN`` and Warsh``SAHRAAN`` reading of the quran...
I must say some of these variant does not change the meaning of the text..

SURAH QASAS 28:48

Version --HAFS ``SAHRAAN``
But when the truth came to them from Us, they said, "Why was he not given like that which was given to Moses?" Did they not disbelieve in that which was given to Moses before? They said, "[They are but] two works of magic supporting each other, and indeed we are, in both, disbelievers."

Version--WARSH ``SAAHIRAAN``
But when the truth came to them from Us, they said, "Why was he not given like that which was given to Moses?" Did they not disbelieve in that which was given to Moses before? They said, "[They are but] two magicians supporting each other, and indeed we are, in both, disbelievers."


Hafs version says “ two works of the magic supporting each other" while Warsh version two works of magicians supporting each other..
My question here : was there two magicians or one magicians performing two magics?

SURAH ZUKHRUF 43:19
HAFS ``IBAAD UR RAHMAN``
And they have made the angels, who are slaves of the Most Merciful, females. Did they witness their creation? Their testimony will be recorded, and they will be questioned.


WARSH ``IND AR RAHMAN
And they have made the angels, who are with the Most Merciful, females. Did they witness their creation? Their testimony will be recorded, and they will be questioned.


Are the angels slaves of the most Merciful or they are with the most Merciful?

SURAH HIJR 15:8
HAFS ``NUNAZIL``
We do not send down the angels except with truth; and the disbelievers would not then be reprieved.


WARSH ``TANAZAL``
You do not send down the angels except with truth; and the disbelievers would not then be reprieved.

These are your headache not ours.

ANTIlSLAM:
You don't have to insult your dad at home b4 making up your point, continue being frustrated while the truth make you uncomfortable, Las las you'll be fine


Remember Quran and hadith says Jesus Christ is alive, his death and resurrection gives salvation. Those names you mentioned above, none of them is alive till today including your messenger that was poisoned to death but Jesus Christ is alive as you know, so don't let frustration send you to grave by insulting people here.

Mass Alarm

Nuisance!

Comot for my front, jor!

advocatejare:
I gave you evidence in your own books, if you are not a disgrace to humanity , show evidence of your lies


You are following a man who didn’t know how he will spend his eternity and who claim that your own fate too is unknown. You’re blind man following another blind man, the two of you will fall into hellfire together

LOL!

Owologbo:
This is lame.
Do you mean there are no competent Christian in the north?
And don't tell me there are no popular Christian politicians in the north because, Osibanjo was not popular before he was picked as a VP.

You don't know the north.

tkgindofa:
Stop bringing/comparing 1979 situation with 2022; today everyone and everything is on religion line of divide, and inversely proportional to 1979, when all is done base on merit not sentiment.

In 1979, we just came out of a civil War.

Why was there a civil War?

bonnyhope:
There is no opposition in Lagos

Correct!
PDP is working for APC in Lagos.

Talku talku people!
Election is more than offering/tith seeking!

Whichever ways, 2023 is a Muslim Muslim race.

Ladiesdoctor:
Yoruba Muslims are bigots.
The funniest thing is that most Hausa Muslims don't consider them to be real Muslims

Why are you christians always crying more than the bereaved?

They are not real muslims but better than christians!

Truthisunique2:
we are not bigots

I am going with Atiku, he is a real Muslim and the northern real Muslims support him too

Tinubu is a fake Muslim secessionist

WOW!
You have nowhere to hide on NL.

Your religious bigotry on NL is well known to us.

jrex:
If Tinubu becomes president with a Muslim Muslim ticket.

I will consider CAN as useless and just become a Muslim.

What a polarised CAN.

LOL!

This one never know say CAN is an association of mere wailers, yet him say him na christian.

jaxxy:
Christians will rather vote for a dog than Muslim/Muslim ticket.

it is over for Apc..

Vote for your christian dog.
It will only make it easier for us come 2023!

brante:
they have peter obi to support then

Thank you!