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oteneaaron:
I asked you a question earlier but you never answered.

Instead, you answer my questions with more questions.

Why does it matter to you?

I have direct access to God and I don't belong to any religious sect or group.

Is it your problem if I am the only one on this path?

Why don't you tell me about the path you're on?



And yet, another assumption.

Since you're the one asking, why don't you tell me what you think?

So are you saying that the moment you meet or stumble on anyone who worships God like you do and you guys are in agreement, then you guys would become a religious sect/cult or group?

Emusan:
That is why I said lack of comprehension is what is playing out here.

Verse 1 established that Jesus was BEFORE THE BEGINNING.

So, when verse 2 says "The SAME was WITH GOD in THE BEGINNING" this should tell you that it's the same BEGINNING and not TWO BEGINNINGS. You can't have TWO BEGINNINGS in a system of THING.

Reason verse 3 complement both 1&2 by saying "ALL THINGS..." and God did not make ANYTHING without him."

The fact that you're even trying to establish TWO BEGINNING shows the level of your IQ.



Verse one point is how Jesus was BEFORE THE BEGINNING. The person you first quoted even tried to explain this by quoting the verse for you.

Here it is again "The Word already was, way back before anything began to be. The Word and God were together. The Word was God."

Oga you too you have comprehension problem....
If you say verse 1 is telling us that Jesus existed before the 'beginning', and verse 2 is telling you that it was at that 'beginning' in verse 1 that Jesus was 'with God', does that not move your brain to ask why Jesus was not 'with God' before the 'beginning' in verse 1?

oteneaaron:
You cannot plant corn and expect to harvest yam or can you?

You reality is defined by your choices, and these choices are defined by your beliefs, and your beliefs are in turn defined by your thoughts.

So yes - your life, your rules.

You are in the drivers seat.

You either take control or you don't.

The choice is yours either way.



Why are you trying so hard to fit me into your box?

You are only making assumptions.

Why does it matter to you if I have found others like me who have realized that they have direct access to God and therefore, do not need to belong to any religious sect or group?

Moreso, why is it your problem?

Why are so fixated on this?



Unlike you, I don't have a herd mentality.

I am on my own path.

I have direct access to God, and that is all I that matters to me.

I don't need to belong to any religious group or sect.

I don't care if I'm the only one on this path.

Remember, the masses are always led - they never lead.

Cheers bro!

So your creator does not care too if you are the only one on this path? Are you sure your creator is not trying to save only you out of all of us on this planet earth ?

Emusan:
So funny of you, both verse 1&2 are talking about THE BEGINNING.

Verse 1 established that Jesus WAS before THAT THE BEGINNING and verse 2 buttresses that JESUS WAS ALSO PRESENT AT THAT THE BEGINNING.


This is simple comprehension.

Oga verse two does not say that Jesus was present but that he was with God at that beginning.
So was Jesus not with God before 'that the beginning' that you explained in verse 1?

oteneaaron:
Your logic is quite funny.

Just because I am not searching doesn't mean they aren't people on the same path to find the God within.

Know thy self.

Like I said from the onset, you are in the drivers seat - your life, your rules.

Cheers bro!

My life my rules? Really?
Not even the rules of my creator?
Again, how come you've not even stumbled on one person who has taken this your part even though you did not search for the person?
Don't you think that you might likely be the only one on this path?

Aemmyjah:
Jesus was present with himself in the beginning?
Issorit

These people are very funny 😁😁...dem no fit explain verse 1 and 2 together to make sense with their idea.

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Ken4Christ:
The spiritual gave birth to the physical.

Man was already in existence before his body was formed. Both the man and woman were created the same day. And God blessed them even before their bodies were formed.

26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.

Genesis 1:27-28.
27 So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.

28 And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth.

Notice the phrase, God blessed them. It didn't say, God blessed him.

But it was later that God formed the body of Adam and that of Eve from the rib of man. But they were already created and complete.

Everything you see in the physical existed first in the spirit realm.

This is why you dream and see yourself in places that looks real.

Genesis 1:26-28

And where does the Bible teach that Adam and Eve soul were later covered with dust?

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Emusan:
You asked question about OT but you switch to New Testament, how come?

Well, the Father is also Yahweh.

So the father who is also Yahweh is greater than himself right?😁😁😁

Emusan:
The summary of verse 1&2 is this:

Verse 1: The Word existed before The BEGINNING and The Word Was God.

Verse2: The Word was ALSO PRESENT at the very BEGINNING with God.

Reason why verse 3 says "God made ALL THINGS[/u] through the Word. God did not make ANYTHING[/u] without him."

You don't need big dictionary to understand the point of Apostle John here.

Oga what was the 'very beginning' that verse 2 talks about? Are you implying that Almighty God had a beginning?

oteneaaron:
Hahahahahahahahaha

Like I clearly mentioned earlier, I am not a member of any religion nor sect.

I am not looking join any religious group nor sect - not after my horrible experience with the JW cult.

If you choose to be a member of any religion or sect, the choice is yours - not mine.

Remember, you are in the driver seat - you create the cause and must live by the effect.

I choose not to belong to any man-made religion - I am focused on finding the God within.

Why is this so difficult for you to grasp?

I was never searching for one in the first place.

I am not joining any man-made religious group or sect.

Is this clear now?



Hahahahaha

There goes the Jehovah Witness mentality of being saved in exchange for the death of billions during Armageddon.

God is the father of ALL the billions of people on this planet and all the trillions of sentient beings on billions of planets in the known universe.

God is also a spirit - this means we have all have direct access to him.

Didn't your Bible say you must worship God in spirit and truth?

I say this again - the choice is yours to make.

Become a member of any man-made religious group OR find the God within and know thy self.

You have the free will - life is your canvas and you are the artist.

Cheers bro!

So even if you've not been searching for those who are worshiping the creator like you, you've never even stumbled on anyone all these years?
Na wa oo.

Emusan:
Jesus was Yahweh in the Old Testament

So who is the father in John 14:28 in the picture below?

Emusan:
Verse 1 already stated clearly that The Word was BEFORE BEGINNING which means He existed before beginning.

Verse 2 says the word was with God 'in the beginning' what does that mean? Does that mean that it was during the beginning of creation that the Word was with God?

Aemmyjah:
He was quoting when Jesus said that it's better to enter God's kingdom with one eye than enter whole bodied into Gehenna. He used that to reference hellfire and he's pushing it as literal but does not want to accept that disabled people or those with missing parts are in God's kingdom

Lol....no mind the guy😁😁

Emusan:
Jesus is not equal to the Almighty God, He is The Almighty God.

That means that Jesus must be JEHOVAH in the old testament right?

Steep:
It means In the beginning of creation the word was already present meaning he was not part of creation

So what beginning does verse 2 refer to?

Kobojunkie:
OK! This is a language comprehension issue that will not be resolved here.

Oga there is no language comprehension issue.
Na you dey dodge.
Verse 1 clearly does not refers to the 'beginning of the world' like you said earlier. It refers to the beginning which goes beyond that. That is why your screenshot uses the term 'ORIGINAL BEGINNING'.
Jesus simply was in the ORIGINAL BEGINNING which existed before the beginning of the world. He has been with God since that ORIGINAL BEGINNING according to verse 2. Which also your screenshot can confirm.

Aemmyjah:
Scriptures clearly called Jesus the beginning of God's creation
You say it's a lie

Scriptures says, in the beginning was the Word. You twist it to say before the world began, the Word was there
The Word has a beginning

😁😁😁.....no mind the guy....verse 2 don choke am😁😁

Kobojunkie:
My interpretation? Interesting!

▣ Did John say that the Word was there BEFORE the beginning?
▣ Did John say that the Word was there with God AT the beginning?

1)So what does 'in the 'beginning' was the word' in verse 1 mean?
2)what does 'the word was with God in the 'beginning' in verse 2 mean too?
What does the word 'beginning' refer to in those verses? Are they the same 'beginnings' or different?

Kobojunkie:
You don't agree with John's assertions made in this book he wrote?

Oga I agree with John.
The 'beginning' in verse 2 where 'he was with God' cannot refer to the 'beginning of the world'. Because, according to verse 1, the word existed before the 'beginning of the world'.
So your interpretation of the 'beginning' in verse 1 is false.
Unless we are to agree that the 'Word was not with God' before the 'beginning of the world'.
What does the 'ORIGINAL BEGINNING' in your screenshot refer to?

Ken4Christ:
There is a physical earth and there is a spiritual earth. The physical earth clothes the spiritual earth. Just as you have the physical heaven and the spiritual heaven. No matter how high you fly, you will never see the spiritual heaven where God dwells.

Hell itself is a spirit being lying on her back at the center of the spiritual earth. It has every part of the human. It has mouth. This is why the scripture says;

Isaiah 5:14 Therefore hell hath enlarged herself, and opened her mouth without measure: and their glory, and their multitude, and their pomp, and he that rejoiceth, shall descend into it.

The verse above also says that hell enlarges itself to accommodate more people.

Lol.....show me verses that refers to spiritual earth and where the bible teaches that a physical earth clothes the spiritual one.

Kobojunkie:
You mean the author's assertion is not clear enough? Basically, God was not mute — unable to speak —before the world began.

I'm asking you oga.
So when was 'he' with God according to verse 2? Are we to conclude that 'he was with God in the beginning' in verse 2 refers to the beginning of the world? Yes or no.

Kobojunkie:
This here reads of gobbledegook to me since the two verses reference the same beginning as revealed in the Greek extract attached. The verses also speak of the Word being there BEFORE the referenced beginning in both verses — the obvious use of the past tense WAS makes this abundantly clear. So are you saying the tale is different from that which was written by John, the supposed author?

Good....so when was 'he' with God according to verse 2?
Are we to conclude that 'he was with God in the beginning' in verse 2 refers to the beginning of the world?