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TheSuperNerd:
Finally, Michael speaks my language after so many decades of us speaking in parallels.
Me speaking English and he speaking Yiddish.

Anyway, thanks goodness you also felt Osimhen had a super chance and rightly so. You indeed thought he was meant to win.


Meanwhile, on what you find disagreeable, well it was only my statement to counter the point trying to belittle Osimhen by putting Hakimi at a WAY Higher level than Osimhen using the Bundesliga bigger than Ligue 1 logic.

By that person's logic, it then means Chuks being in La Liga is also higher than an Hakimi in the Bundesliga since La Liga is higher than the bundesliga also.

So Michael you see... It was only me pointing out the flaws in the argument made for Hakimi vs Osimhen. That is the purpose for the La liga >>>> bundesliga. No harm done...


And yes @bolded... We know each other quite well. How time flies...

Person wey carry that argument come doesn't even know who they are supporting. You can only score against the team that you are facing and he has been doing that all year round. Dortmund have actually been underperforming this season, that is even supposed to work against Hakimi, was it not Regullion that kicked him out of Madrid? Oshimen deserved it hands down, just like the Super Falcons deserved the female team of the year, I mean a Cameroonian team that should be banned for that stunt they pulled at the world cup suddenly gets a medal instead? CAF self.

TheSuperNerd:
You are always getting involved Michael.... So no need for the first line... But you are always welcome as usual. Your entrance is not a surprise after your moniker showed up in the viewers list. It was only a matter a time before you shook mouth as usual.


And yes, I absolutely agree. Deeney is higher. Coz that is what you lots wanna use to also talk down Osimhen using Hakimi's bundesliga status. So that means Chuks trumps Hakimi too.
LA LIGA >>>>>>>>> Bundesliga....Yes!


Since you all wanna be so illogical and absurd. Hahahahahaha...

Of course you know me very well, it has been more than 3 years I reckon.


Anyways personally I thought Oshimen would win, I don't think Chuks could have won, like it really wasn't possible but I thought Oshimen had a solid chance. It makes no sense that CAF judges the APOTY based on goals and trophies and then they judge the young POTY on performance, that's double standard, otherwise Mahrez should have won.

The only issue I have with this conversation is saying that because Chuks plays for Villarreal he is at a higher level than Hakimi, no.

TheSuperNerd:
Answer my question first naa... You dey dodge?

How come one is playing at a lower level compared to another? Afterall, Bundesliga is below the La liga?

Not trying to get involved here but how is playing for Dortmund a lower level than Villarreal? Well by your definition, Deeney playing for Watford is miles better than Oshimen because he is playing at a 'higher level'

TheSuperNerd:
Ehen.... Why u dey call my name? When I told u all he struggles to deliver in the big games, you argued blindly forging stats for him but now he scores against Arsenal you run quickly to pick it up which actually proves I have been saying the right thing all along. Una dey wait for Arsenal game to now shout but una dey talk say he don deliver for big game before naa.... So why celebrate this one if he don do am before?

Lol... Against Southampton, whem he was rendered utterly useless days ago, una quiet ooo not so? I wasn't here but I can feel the death silence from days ago. Lol

Biko just one goal after so many ghostlike showings vs the big teams. Even against Valencia, he was a no-show...

Abegiiiii.... He should be thanking Calamity Mustafi. If Chambers was still on field, he for no see net.

Osimhen has delivered in more big games for his side in Ligue 1 and in the UCL compared to this one time show for Tammy in a big game.... So the point stands. Osimhen edges Tammy in big games mentality and big game performances.

Chikena.

So you counted Lyon and Valencia(4th placed team in the Spanish league last season) as the top teams that Oshimen has scored against but you didn't count Lille(who finished above Lyon and finished second in the French league, a way better position than Valencia's position) as one of the big teams Tammy has scored against? Fear God oh

ChrisKels:
Judging situations as preposterously as komekn does, Lamptey is gonna send Tomori out of Chelsea since he ain't versatile enough to play as a RB neither is he rated higher than Rudiger and Zouma in the CB position.


Remember he used just a match to conclude a makeshift Saka was better than Collins, who I don't rate myself either

Lampard must have seen that the 3CB rubbish doesn't work except against dinosaur Mou, so he is going to back to a flat 4, that's goodbye for Tomori personally.

TheGoodJoe:
If we know what is going on with the AITEO deal, then we can have a better picture of what is going on.

My guess, the AITEO deal is off the table and the NFF guys can not spend recklessly and tax free as it was before.

I also suspect that was why Rohr got owed.

If Rohr is not ready to stay in the country and help develop the fame from within, I do not think he is worth that kind of money.

Simple

bengine:
Amaju and NFF are about to press a self destruct button!!! at their only reasonable achievement since they took office. I don't know why we are sitting back and letting NFF and stakeholders selfish interest destroy our country. Which average foreign coach would accept this kind of terms with the qualifiers looming.

First of all you rewarded him no pay rise and now made sure his income was taxable which means he would be making a lot less now. Literally he is taking a pay-cut. We are not stupid as Nigerians because they would claim they offered him a new contract and he rejected when all this explodes in their face. This is pretty much a slave-contract!!

Why would they want to offset the dynamics of this team at such a crucial time, literally they would insert a local player clause in any new coach they hire. This is pretty much business as usual for stakeholders to sell players and as they move abroad, another local player is required and the cycle continue.

Why is our country like this, we seem to celebrate mediocrity, we let our selfish desires overcome the greater good. If the super eagles continue doing well, our young players would become hot cake for scouts just like Brazilian players.

I know Rohr has his limit as a coach, too be honest how do we afford a better coach with the kind of terrible climate we have in our football administration. No high quality coach with reputation can operate in Nigeria.

Rohr has brought a good sense of organisation to this team and the team if untampered would be really formidable at the world cup. I think the stakeholders feel we have talents now, and talent alone can get it done with very little influence from the coach, we can just hire any coach.they have a rude awakening lying in their wait.

I think we the fans need to start making this self serving, selfish, greedy kabals in the NFF accountable for their actions. I don't know how but we need to find a way to stop accepting mediocrity from our leaders as a nation and demand better transparency and excellence from our leaders.

So while every Nigerian pays taxes, Rohr should come and eat taxpayers money without paying his own tax? The NFF got that spot on. It is shameful that Rohr did not use to pay his taxes, come on, that means he is stealing from the government.

Again, there is no clause there that says he must insert a local player, just that his lists will be checked first and I think that too is spot on. Nobody is forcing any player on him, but when he decides to invite players from the Bulgarian Division 2 or wherever then he will be asked to defend that choice instead of just having a free hand and we all will say 'well, he is the coach'.

I don't know about the next person, but I think this is a standard contract. $55k no be beans, effectively all the low budget countries who would want to hire Rohr definitely cannot afford that. And with that salary, we can actually get someone better.

BascoVanVeli:
Stop it. TAA is better by miles. Just his cross field passes are enough to give you an orgasm and let's not get into his assists.

The closest thing we have to a Dani Alvez in world football right now

Let's just say you don't watch Kimmich regularly.

For starters, Kimmich, defensively, is better than Arnold by a country mile, defensively it is not even remotely close.

Then offensively, Arnold might be slightly better, mainly because Liverpool play to his strength and hardly operate through Robertson's side, I don't have the facts but I believe that Arnold touches the ball twice as many times as Robertson in a match. Then compare that with Kimmich, the guy playing on the other side is Alaba, in fact most of the attacks goes through Alaba when fit. You also know that Arnold is the primary freekick and corner kick taker for Liverpool, but when Alaba is playing, 7 times out of 10 he takes the short freekicks and even some distant ones because of the incredible power he can generate. Then for corner kicks, I have seen Thiago playing quite a few.

Long story short, I'd take Kimmich over Arnold but only because he is better defensively and still has the potential to be better or at worst level with Arnold offensively if you play to his strength

AndSunGorilla:
Of course you have demonstrated it here that you rate Oshimen, at leaSt you called out Andrew for saying Victor is an average player. And you unequivocally stated that he's not an average player on all counts.

Thank you.

Cc TheSuperNerd

ChrisKels:
Why are u still quoting the same post u tagged a trash? Why dont u wait till I grow up?

One of the ethics of subjective analysis is that even when the patient is saying rubbish, you do not interrupt them, neither do you tell them that they are saying rubbish, but you try to make as much sense from their rubbish as you can and from then you can make your objective conclusions and draw out a treatment plan. So that is one of the rules that govern my life, even if you say rubbish I still try to make sense of it so the conversation can flow.

xwolverine:
@ the bolded, just listen to yourself

Chelsea lost how many players from last season, starters too. Are they not better now?

OMANBALA1:
Guy, come on. You can reason more deeper and give a more intelligent assessment than this. Saying Osimhen messed up is both dishonest and unfair because it is not a complete account. You conveniently cherry picked the piece that supports the argument you want to make and flush the rest down the toilet. I dont know if you are looking for attention or what...I dont remember if you are Igbo or not but there is a famous Igbo adage..." ejiro ututu ama njo affia", which is loosely translated as first impression is never a complete story.

And ,you succinctly displayed the behaviour Chimamanda colorfully spoke about in her famous speech...Dangers of a single story. And , like the legendary Chinua Achebe rightly puts it....the issue is not that your story is not true but it's incomplete.

Another Igbo adage..." Okuko ga-abu oke na ebido na eju" which loosely translates to "you can know someone's worth from the first impression".

But then seems like you got the entire point wrong. Credibly injuries hampered Oshimen, but then he did get minutes and he didn't make much of them, probably due to the injuries and his inability to get a clear run of games no doubt. That is a credible argument and it was his first season so he couldn't adapt straight away, he went to Belgium and has been on fire since.

Tammy in his first topflight season had a similar torrid time, it might have been the pressure, it might have been the new tactics, it might have been anything which are also credible. Then he went back to the championship and has been on fire since then.

Bottom line, if you can excuse Oshimen's Wolfsburg days, then it is only morally right that you excuse Tammy's first season as well. So knocking down Tammy for a bad year at Swansea while praising Oshimen for a bad year at Wolfsburg (no matter the reason) is rather hypocritical.

Cc TheSuperNerd

andrewbaba44:
I dont think he messed up at wolfsburg

Injuries and poor game time, so you expect him to deliver via poor game time? No bro, you got it wrong on that.

How can someone justify 2,3 minutes off the bench, he didnt even started more than 3 games there self

I am honest on this

And mind you i am not in for osimhen and tammy who is better, i have already said i wont do such comparism

All i see here is both sides bringing on a player down to justify their points which is wrong.

I clearly pointed out that injuries played a part didn't I? But if you look at the screenshot TheSuperNerd posted he did play the full ninety twice, you may then argue that he didn't get a constant run of game(and not that he didn't get game time) so he couldn't pick up the rhythm properly which I will agree to, but I will also point to the fact that injury prone guys like Joel Obi used to walk straight back into the team after each injury. So the argument that because he was injured and didn't get a run of games, although credible, is not exactly conclusive because it has not exactly hampered others.

TheSuperNerd:
Iheanacho also impressed in even much shorter time yet you never rated him. Who are you trying to deceive?

Facts remain Osimhen had injury issues as you can see from those pic shots. He barely got minutes and barely stayed healthy enough to even have a good run of games. You make it sound like he was given chances upon chances and he didn't take it.

Meanwhile Tammy at 18 was were? Remind me again.

You probably think I don't rate Oshimen too right?

xwolverine:
Lille lost four starters including Pepe after last season, so they got weaker not stronger, check your facts.

Losing three starters (and not four, Rafael was not a starter but OK and Ghazi was on loan at Aston Villa) does not automatically make a team weaker.

Let us look at the replacements.
Weah
Renato Sanchez and Yacizi. These are better players and even cost more and are performing better.

TheSuperNerd:
Iheanacho also impressed in even much shorter time yet you never rated him. Who are you trying to deceive?

Facts remain Osimhen had injury issues as you can see from those pic shots. He barely got minutes and barely stayed healthy enough to even have a good run of games. You make it sound like he was given chances upon chances and he didn't take it.

Meanwhile Tammy at 18 was were? Remind me again.

People have problems adapting to tactics, others have issues adapting to the physical nature, at the end all of them are under the same category, adaptation. In Oshimen's first season in a top 5 league, he was unable to adapt and did not perform.

The same happened in Tammy's first season. They are both in their second top flight seasons and Tammy has been better. EoD really

safarigirl:
so, now we compare Barcelona's team to whichever players are in Wolfsburg?

What has Wolfsburg done since Osimhen left?

Anyway, the context was a 20-year old Tammy vs. A Twenty-year old Tammy, but you keep comparing an older Tammy to a younger Osimhen, leading us to believe that you are also convinced that Osimhen is better than Tammy after all.

Oshimen is factually 21. Now you don't say 2019 season, you say 2019/2020 season, so when you want to compare player, you use same guideline. Effectively what we are comparing is Oshimen's 20/21 season with Tammy's 20/21 season. Tammy is just a year older than Oshimen and not 2, take that correction first. Then compare appropriately
And

TheSuperNerd:
Bollocks! First of all, Osimhen was 18 then... Where was Tammy at 18?

Also, are these the minutes you refer to? Michael, your words are not surprising at all.

So after looking at those stats you think he didn't get enough minutes to impress? Come on!!! He had 90mins in two games out of three!!! And he didn't perform and went back to the bench, but still he got 10mins after that before he got injured. And even after he came back from injury, he got 10mins and then 45mins, if that is not enough time to impress then Ansu Fati really wouldn't be where he is today.

ChrisKels:
Now u tryna compare the championship with the ligue1? Lol get ur facts right, Osimhen is 20 while Tammy is 22, hence when Tammy was Osimhen's age, he singlehandedly sent Swansea back to the championship, from the EPL. In that regard, at 20, Tammy failed in a team(Swansea), equivalent to what(Lille) Osimhen is currently excelling in, aged 20 also.


Hello!!!



BTW, Tammy was never the goal king in the championship, at any time.


I av never seen u this preconceptious bro, just hope u didnt jump in without due premeditation, just to get at Supernerd bkus of the perceived beef btwn u two, by trying to take sides rather than being factual?

By the way how is Swansea equivalent to Lille? Don't be silly man, Lille finished second last season.

For your viewing pleasure as well as for all those who think Lille's squad strength has reduced from last year, here is a link to their squads for this season and last season. In fact, personally I think they have gotten better, Ikone was not half this good last season.

https://www.worldfootball.net/teams/lille-osc/2019/2/

safarigirl:
Osimhen is currently third highest goalscorer in the French Ligue1 for now, which is higher than the Championship, and is an actual top flight club.

Tammy combusted in his first season in a top league, makes quite the difference

Oshimen also messed up monumentally in his first season in the topflight for Wolfsburg, blame it on injury or whatever but it doesn't change anything, he got the minutes and he didn't justify it.

Y'all should be honest, please.

ChrisKels:
Now u tryna compare the championship with the ligue1? Lol get ur facts right, Osimhen is 20 while Tammy is 22, hence when Tammy was Osimhen's age, he singlehandedly sent Swansea back to the championship, from the EPL. In that regard, at 20, Tammy failed in a team(Swansea), equivalent to what(Lille) Osimhen is currently excelling in, aged 20 also.


Hello!!!



BTW, Tammy was never the goal king in the championship, at any time.


I av never seen u this preconceptious bro, just hope u didnt jump in without due premeditation, just to get at Supernerd bkus of the perceived beef btwn u two, by trying to take sides rather than being factual?

Let me first of all point out that you talk a lot of rubbish and really should consider growing up, that is just a medical advice before it turns to a chronic issue. Your last paragraph is easily the stupidest thing you have said this year, and quite frankly that says a lot.

Then again, when Tammy was 20 going to 21 he was playing for Aston Villa, second highest goalscorer in the league. Oshimen is going to be 21 in a few days, so you cannot compare this to the season when Tammy was 19 going to 20. Is that clear?

Now I tender my unreserved apology for mistaking his position. It turns out he was the second highest goalscorer, does that make you happy? Or does that dispute the fact that based on current projection(again, based on current projections) Oshimen might not score that number of goals? Never mind the fact that he is in the French league.

And I am not saying that the championship is better than the Ligue 1, that might be arguable but not my point exactly, however, that was a direct reply to someone who said that when he was Oshimen's age he was shuttling between Chelsea and Swansea.

safarigirl:
When was Tammy highest goalscorer in the Championship? What season was this?

Tammy never finished as higher goal scorer in the Championships. Never

Apologies for that. He was the second highest goalscorer, doesn't change the fact at all. But OK.

xwolverine:
False equivalency, in only one season, just like comparing Ansu Fati with Saido Mane. The question is, “are they the same age” or at the same stage in their careers?

When Tammy was Osimhen’s age, he was bouncing between Bristol city and Swansea, only got a lucky break with Chelsea because of injuries and the transfer ban, while victor earned his current position, he is leading his team against top class European teams in the champion’s league.

This is really funny, I swear down.

When Tammy was Oshimen's age, he was the highest goalscorer in the championships. Oshimen isn't even the highest goalscorer in France. Fear God oh

TheSuperNerd:
I knew you would jump in to talk coz it is what you do best... jumping in.


It is clear that even Sheffield and Wolves are no top teams in England. Yes Sheffield occupy 5th but they are no Top 6 team in England which obviously refers to Chelsea, Man City, Arsenal, Man Utd, Liverpool and Tottenham. In France, the equivalent of this is PSG, Monaco, Marseille, Lyon, Nantes, and possibly Lille or Rennes.

FACTS. Now say something else. Lol...


Even the media have picked up on this. Tammy have failed to nail it against a top 6 team in ENGLAND. FACTS!

So it makes sense for him to score against Arsenal in 9th abi 10th than for him to score against Sheffield and Wolves in 5th and 6th respectively? As of this season and as of current form, the top six sides contain Sheffield and Wolves, not Arsenal, if you want to say Tammy has not scored against the best 6 teams in England than that is false because he has scored against the fifth best team and sixth best team, the table does not lie.

However if you think that Tammy needs to score against Arsenal, a team that City used for training, instead of Wolves, a team that defeated City, then we are done arguing.

AndSunGorilla:
You can't be sure he stopped carrying woman now, except you live in the same house or you have a camera attached to him. My point is when he had those run of games, baba could still be digging trenches on a regular but on a coded level

True that. Mt assumptions are based on the ones I know, saw and/or heard so he might even be doing worse behind close doors back when he was improving, so it really is just an assertion too

AndSunGorilla:
Great analysis Dr. To me and in my opinion you made a lot of sense. I don't think we need to compare those two tbh. Meanwhile am surprised we have not had a VVD vs Ekong comparison here .

The other day I was openly castigating Andrew when be said Oshimen is average at best. But you see eh, how can someone say Oshimen is better than Tammy na, as in based on which fact?

E go shock you say very soon we will have that argument. The other day someone was saying that Ekong has been consistently good pushing his team up the table, they go first compare am with Ramos then VVD, I won't even be surprised, I will just do the Lord's work again.

AndSunGorilla:
Would you agree with me that being pious doesn't mean anyone will be successful in their chosen fieldsl, my point is a womanizing lifestyle or carrying oloshi doesn't not mean he wasn't training seriously or getting himself in the correct physical shape.

OK. When he stopped carrying woman, his performances improved, dude had a run of about 10 games straight, didn't score yes, but was kinda impressive. So I think we can conclusively decode that it is actually affecting him.

AndSunGorilla:
I don't support living a reckless life but fact is because he carries olosho even if he's still doing it or philandering doesn't mean he won't be successful in his career. Some people party hard but it doesn't mean it interferes with their work, I had some classmates like that. JfK was a renowned philanderer, didn't he become president? Even our dear Obj, fela and late MKO Abiola with countless wives doesn't mean they can't be focused or make the best out of their careers. We are just using that encounter of over 2 years ago to hang the guy. Ryan Giggs wey did give injection to sister in law, u no crucify or John Terry or David Beckham? is success doing well? No, but let's not overflog the 2 year old scandal.

See the problem with your analysis of the matter; these guys lived indecent lives but it didn't exactly appear to be affecting their professional performance. There are people like that, in such cases I really wouldn't care about your personal life. But when we all can agree that you have regressed in your professional life, as in the reckless lifestyle is affecting your professional output negatively, I think it would be hypocritical and unfair not to criticize that your lifestyle so you will drop it and get back to your previous professional shape.

TheSuperNerd:
You cannot avoid what is already on in the media. Osimhen's links to Chelsea and Tammy's form with same Chelsea will always throw up that question on who is better. It is inevitable and I am addressing it without having to bother about how you feel about it...


Osimhen have shown beyond doubts he is a player for the big leagues. Pounding goals in that Lowly Lille side will always have my respect over pounding goals in a Chelsea side full of stars. That is the harsh truth.

So shouting "stop the comparison" is futile. You cannot avoid it.


And I repeat Tammy's goals in the EPL have come against lesser sides. He is yet to bang in goals against a Top 6 side and that makes him for now, a player that does not show up in the Big games. Unlike Osimhen who does show up in the big games for his lowly side, Lille.

Osimhen is simply Better!! Gbam!

Now again Let us look at facts.

The fact is that the top 3 teams in the French league are PSG, Marseille and Rennes in that order. The second fact is that Oshimen did not score against all these sides above them and he played against all of them.

The next fact is that the two clubs directly below lille are Nantes and Stade Reims and Oshimen only scored against one of the said teams.

So your assumption abi assertion that Oshimen shows up in big games is not only false but misleading too.

In Chelsea's biggest game of the season so far(their qualification clincher against Lille) Abraham came up big and he was actually just coming back from an injury yet he scored.

Now in the EPL, Tammy scored against Sheffield UTD who are currently in number 5!!!! He scored twice. Tammy also scored against Wolves!!! They are currently in the 6th position. So effectively Tammy has scored against TWO top 6 sides while Oshimen has only managed to do that against ONE, that too in a league where Stade Reims and Rennes are in the top 6. Oya correct yourself

safarigirl:
Sorry to pull anyone back on this Isaac issue, but it's rather unfair to keep dragging a player for mistakes he may have made two whole years ago, in relation to what his career is today.

E no get who no dey make mistake and e no get who sudden money no dey confuse. He hasn't done anything to require slating of recent, e no dey play fit no be him fault. It is not likely that a team struggling to remain in the EPL, will regularly play anyone who wasn't a regular when they were doing good, even small playing time go be blessing sef.

Make we no dey laugh am on top ashawo wey e carry two years ago. Many of us did things two years ago that we might not be proud of, but it shouldn't define who we are today and we should extend the same belief to Success.

PS: Success is not a waste man, nobody is a waste man. Things might not be going well for him today, does not make him a waste man.

Una good evening.

The problem is that his career has gone back to where it was two years ago, so I think it is easy to deduce that he might have gone back to what he was doing two years ago that caused the decline just that he is hiding his dirty linens better this time

do4luv14:
Am telling you, if Osimhen had been the one in that chelsea side, he would be scoring brace and hat-trick for fun,


while Tammy in Lille will find it difficult for goals

Tammy was in the championships plundering goals oh. He didn't have any quality player back then oh. Lille finished second in Ligue 1 last year, they lost about two players, so does that mean they are not a quality side again? Make we fear God oh

TheSuperNerd:
Mike... All this long story doesn't counter my simple post.

Chuks have had a big hand in creating loads of chances for his team and for himself this season so far. Also he has shipped in with a fair number of key passes so far as well... But my emphasis was especially laid upon his high rate of chances creation compared to what was observed last season. So all this to try make Chuks look like he is stagnant or not anything special is shocking to me actually. But it's alright. It is the perspective you choose to behold.

One more thing, I wasn't particular about today's match. I was speaking of Chuks in 19/20 season so far. That is the post you quoted.

This isn't my perspective really, I am using stats and you are using...well whatever it is you are using. Tomorrow I will try as much as I can to find a site that will compare his first 9matches from last season with that of this season, judging based on what I have seen, he has about 15 key passes this season and j remember in one of the first matches he played last season against Real, he had about 5 key passes in one game, and his average from last season was 2.4 as against the 1 it is this season. These are facts and not assumptions. But let is agree to disagree