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PlayMaker14:
She wanted to "Develop" Ireland.

MaxInDHouse:
Stop calling on me as if you and i worship the same God i have told you times without number that your God differs from mine.

So stick to your fellow believers in the same God!

MaxInDHouse:
And what concerns me with the business of your Papa Oyedepo?
He sacks his worker just as other CEO in the world will do to any worker that mismanaged their business.
In God's organization the word "SACK" can come to mind because we are not doing any business it's either a Christian is reproved if he is repentant {Luke 9:55} or disfellowshiped if he is unrepentant. Matthew 18:15-17
Jesus never SACKED any disciple!

MaxInDHouse:
https://www.nairaland.com/8111618/thread-former-nigerian-jehovahs-witnesses#130257613

FORMER not PRACTICING.

Thanks!

Janosky:
Jehovah the ONLY God of John 5:44 said @ Psalm 82:6:
"I have said,"you are gods "
All of you are sons of the Most High God"
Psalm 82:6

The same statement of Psalm 82:6 that Jesus copied in John 10:34-36 & added that "the scriptures can not be broken "

Paul the apostle is a god at Acts 28:6.
Pagan King Herod is a god at Acts 12:22.
Sparrow please allow your brain to function nau.

Janosky:


Oga what material did Jehovah God use to create every being in the spiritual realm?

Oga,if you get liver,produce the answer to that question from your own Bible.


Sparrow WAILER forming woke.

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Sand2022:
So far, we have discussed the meaning of Trinity in my earlier post, and the last post I made is why Jesus cannot be said to be a creature. The main point of that post was on John 1:3, that apart from him not even one thing was made. That shows that Jesus cannot be reckoned as a creature.

Today, we are still exploring why Jesus needs to be seen as of the same nature as the father. Let's start with Genesis.

Gen 1:26-27
Then God said: “Let us make man in our image, according to our likeness, and let them have in subjection the fish of the sea and the flying creatures of the heavens and the domestic animals and all the earth and every creeping animal that is moving on the earth.” 27 And God went on to create the man in his image, in God’s image he created him; male and female he created them

This scripture is significant to the topic. It is a scriptural fact that we are made in God's image, not the image of a creature. Here God is revealing something, that he is not the only one involved here. There is US. then in verse 27, the bible goes further to say that God went on to create man in HIS image. In verse 26, there is US, then in verse 27, there is God, singular. This is one proof that the one who had the same image as God here must be of the same essence or nature with God. There is no way to run away from that.

To further support the point of similar nature, see how Heb 1:3 puts it:

3 He is the reflection of God’s glory and the exact representation of his very being, and he sustains all things by the word of his power. And after he had made a purification for our sins, he sat down at the right hand of the Majesty on high."

Notice, the exact representation of his very what? Being. Take note of that word. The Greek word used here for exact representation means a facsimile of something. It means that Christ is of the same Being of God. The word is hypostasis, meaning Substance or Essence. In other words the same Nature as God. When you hear the Trinity recitation of "God from God, very God of Very God", this verse is the key to that phrase. They mean that Christ is of God's Nature. That is why in my previous article, I said that perhaps God split Himself in two, and assign role of Son to the second Facsimile of Himself.

Creating us in his image means we are able to manifest His qualities. God cannot connect His uncreated image to someone who is created. If Jesus was a creature, it will be misleading for God to say that man was created in His image, it would rather be God's image and the image of another creature that he made man. God can say that the image is "Our Image" in reference to others, if those ones are of the same Nature as himself. Being of the same nature, we can then use singular and say, we are made in God's image.


2. Jesus is a Universal Sovereign:

We know that only God is the universal sovereign. That is also the belief of Jehovah's witnesses. However, scripture shows that Jesus is viewed as the SAME Universal Sovereign as the Father. Let's see Genesis once more.

Gen 3:
22 Jehovah God then said: “Here the man has become like one of us in knowing good and bad. Now in order that he may not put his hand out and take fruit also from the tree of life and eat and live forever,—” (NWT)

This might not appear to be a great point, but you will see what a point it is when you realize the meaning of knowledge of good and bad as taught by the witnesses. Jehovah's witnesses agrees with the position mentioned in the Jerusalem Bible (1966).

In describing what this knowledge of good and bad means, see what the Insight says:

"This knowledge is a privilege which God reserves to himself and which man, by sinning, is to lay hands on, 3:5, 22. Hence it does not mean omniscience, which fallen man does not possess; nor is it moral discrimination, for unfallen man already had it and God could not refuse it to a rational being. It is the power of deciding for himself what is good and what is evil and of acting accordingly, a claim to complete moral independence by which man refuses to recognise his status as a created being. The first sin was an attack on God’s sovereignty, a sin of pride."

The teaching of JWs is that by eating of that fruit, Adam and Eve were like God to themselves. They are in effect saying that eating of that fruit is right, when the Universal Sovereign has decreed that it is wrong. That is an attack on the universal sovereign's exclusive right to determine what is right and what is wrong.

To make it simple, the phrase "knowing good and bad" means setting standard of right and wrong". And only God has that right.

Now notice that the same phrase occured at Gen 3:22, but there God is saying that he is not the only one who has the right to get standard of right and wrong. Interesting, right? See what it says:

"Here the man has become like one of us in knowing good and bad."

This statement shows that Jesus also is a Universal Sovereign just as God is a universal sovereign. But because they are of the same essence, we don't have two universal sovereigns but one.

Another reason why Jesus is a universal sovereign.

Jesus is the king of Kings. Let's read 1 Tim 6

"to observe the commandment in a spotless and irreprehensible way until the manifestation of our Lord Jesus Christ, 15 which the happy and only Potentate will show in its own appointed times. He is the King of those who rule as kings and Lord of those who rule as lords, 16 the one alone having immortality, who dwells in unapproachable light, whom no man has seen or can see. To him be honor and eternal might. Amen." (NWT) JWs view this verse as referring to Jesus.

Jesus Christ at Rev 17:14; 19:16 is called King of Kings and Lord of Lords. This is clearly pointing to the fact that he is a universal sovereign. The Governing Body will say that this is in reference to earthly kings, that Jesus is there king. Of course, but let's inquire, for servants of Jehovah, both in heaven and on earth, who is our king? Do Angels have another King other than Jehovah? So the only king for true worshipers is Jehovah. So to even call Jesus King of kings is to equate Him with the Sovereign of the Universe.

But notice another word used of Jesus in 1Tim 6:15, the "Only Potentate" . This word in Greek is dymastes, it stands for Ruler or Sovereign. He is here called the ONLY Potentate/Sovereign. By using the word ONLY, Jesus is identified as the Only Sovereign.

Notice again at the end of verse 16, Jesus is worshipped. It says:

"To him be honor and eternal might. Amen".

This is worshipful praise to Jesus.

Let's see another worship to Jesus.

3. Jesus is worshipped.

JWs teach that Jesus can be called a God, but that that God is just a title, not that he is worshipped. To prove Jesus Deity, let's start with the Old Testament.

Before Jericho was conquered, one unusual soldier appeared. Josh 5:14 reports:

"To this he said: “No, but I have come as prince of Jehovah’s army.” With that Joshua fell with his face to the ground and prostrated himself and said to him: “What does my lord have to say to his servant?” 15 The prince of Jehovah’s army replied to Joshua: “Remove your sandals from your feet, because the place where you are standing is holy.” At once Joshua did so."

JWs view this person to be Jesus. Notice verse 14, it says Joshua fell with his face to the ground and prostrated. Many translations used "worship" to translate "prostrate". Of course bowing one's face to the ground doesn't always mean worship, but there is a reason to say that here, it is worship, and that NWT was being biased. Why? In verse 15, Jesus, who is the Prince of Jehovah's Army didn't stop him from bowing, he even told him to remove his sandals for where he was standing is a holy place. This means that Joshua's bowing has changed to the level of worship. He is like in the presence of God Himself or the Ark of the covenant.

Jesus is worshipped in Isaiah 6:1-3

At John 12: 41, John made a striking statement. We read:

41 Isaiah said these things because he saw his glory, and he spoke about him.

JWs agree that this glory refers to what Isaiah saw at Isaiah 6:1-3. We read:

"In the year that King Uz·ziʹah died, I saw Jehovah sitting on a lofty and elevated throne, and the skirts of his robe filled the temple. 2 Seraphs were standing above him; each had six wings. Each covered his face with two and covered his feet with two, and each of them would fly about with two. 3 And one called to the other: “Holy, holy, holy is Jehovah of armies. The whole earth is filled with his glory. "

JWs do not see this as a proof of Christ deity, because they say that there are more than one persons here whom Isaiah saw their glory. They say that Jesus is equally there alongside Jehovah in the throne. (John 17:5) They prove their point by saying that in verse 8 of this chapter 6, Jehovah said " Who shall I send, Who will go for US". So they reason that the word US there is the same as US we find in Gen 1:26; 3:22 in reference to Jesus. This doesn't match.

But friends, even if that were true, it doesn't still remove the fact that Jesus is here worshipped. Notice what was said of this person on the throne. By shouting holy Holy Holy is Jehovah", that is praise assigned to only Jehovah ( Rev 4:8 will convince you). Notice also that this is holiness to the superlative degree. The Insight on the Scriptures (a book produced by JWs) says of this holiness:

"Those in the heavens are shown declaring: “Holy, holy, holy is Jehovah of armies,” attributing to him holiness, cleanness in the superlative degree."

So if they insist that Jesus was also included in what Isaiah saw on the throne, it shows that Jesus is indeed a Deity just as Jehovah is. Isn't that wonderful?. How can all the Angels sing this praise to Jesus, if he was in fact a creature like them? Isn't that a creature worship? Now you're seeing why I reconsidered this subject of Trinity.

But let's look at that Isaiah 6:1-3 without the jWs bias, and we will appreciate that Jesus is in fact that one being seen here by Isaiah. John 12:41 says Isaiah saw his (Jesus) glory, and "spoke about him, not Jehovah, mind you. So who did Isaiah see? Isaiah answers:

"I saw Jehovah sitting on a lofty and elevated throne." The final sentence says the whole earth is filled with his glory

So John is saying that Isaiah saw his glory and spoke about him. Who Isaiah saw and spoke about is Jesus. in my future article, we will see that scriptures used for God is applied to Jesus. But now Isaiah wrote mentioned only Jehovah, but John says he saw jesus. Some have concluded that this means that they are the same person, but that's not accurate.

Isaiah seeing his glory shows that Isaiah saw Jesus, but Isaiah calls him Jehovah. Why? Because they are of the same nature. Remember that Joshua seeing Jesus as he appeared as the Commander of Jehovah's Army. Now at Josh 6:2, that Jesus is referred to as Jehovah. (Compare John 17:12; Exod 23:21). This is another proof that they are of the same essence. We see this also in Psalm 102:25-27, where Paul applied what one would understand as praise to God the Father to Jesus. (Heb 1:10-12) There is no contradiction if we see that they share similar nature. You can switch the the glory you give to each of them and still be correct.

At Isaiah Chapter 48:11, Jehovah says He gives his glory to no one else. But at John 17:5, Jesus says he had always shared in His father's glory. Contradiction? No. This can only be the case because they are of the same nature. If you worship God, Jesus also shares in that glory. The same if you worship Jesus.

But what further proof do I have that Jesus is in fact worshipped? Next week Thursday, let us now move to the New Testament scriptures proper to prove that Jesus receives worship.

So far, we have proved that Jesus is not created, and that viewed from the Old Testament scriptures, he must be of the same nature as God the father, because He has the same image, He is a Universal sovereign and He is worshipped by Joshua and the Angelic Host.

These are links to my previous discussion on this topic of Trinity:

Part 1 https://www.nairaland.com/8185855/jw-pimo-reconsiders-trinity-doctrine

Part 2 https://www.nairaland.com/8192278/part-2-jw-pimo-reconsiders/2#131731691

If you want to see more of my writeup about JWs theology, go to my profile and see my series on "Ministry to JWs". I have over 12 articles on their teachings.

https://www.nairaland.com/sand2022/topics

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Janosky:
One of 2 Theos is not the God Almighty.

The same manner in Acts 12:22-23, the God & god(s).

Janosky:
We are not oooo !
John 5:44 & John 17:3, the ONLY God/true God, did Jesus make that reference to himself?

Did Jesus reference gods, @Psalm 82:6 & John 10:34-36 to himself?

Janosky:
Sparrow deluded WAILER
Abeg quote John 1:1 from Emphatic Diaglott & NWT, let's check something.

Yes, that is Jehovah,the only true God whom Jesus recognized and is worshipping, John 17:3 & John 5:44.
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Jesus Christ quoted Psalm 82:6 in John 10:34-36 identifying Jesus as a god.

Deluded Sparrow, enjoy your WAILING.

MaxInDHouse:
Jesus returned in the year 1914!

MaxInDHouse:
Firstborn of humans or of God?

Sand2022:
Last time I posted about the meaning of Trinity which many obviously don't know. Today, I will be writing about Jesus origin.

My previous belief was that Jesus was a creature. This is because of what I was taught as a JW. The view is that Col 1:15 says that Jesus is the FIRSTBORN of all creation. The organization understand that to mean that Jesus was the first person created by God. They also understand the same about Only Begotten. They understand that begotten mean created. That Jesus is the only person directly created by Jehovah. And that after Jesus creation, God used Jesus to create all other things. That is why if you notice in their translation they added "other" in Col 1:16. Their view made them to use "a god" in their translation of John 1:1.

However, as I further went through the scriotures, I realized that the view is lacking. Why?

Why Jesus is not a Creature:

See John 1:1-3 once more.

"In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was a god. 2 This one was in the beginning with God. 3 All things came into existence through him, and apart from him not even one thing came into existence. What has come into existence."

The bold face phrase shows clearly that Jesus cannot be a creature. Since this verse says that apart from Jesus, NOT even ONE thing came into existence, we only have two option, 1. If Jesus was created, Jesus must be the one who created himself. Why? Because apart from him, nothing was made. 2. He was not created.

The latter conclusion seems plausible.

Secondly, the word "all" that appeared in verse 3 is "panta" which the New World Translation added "other" at Col 1:16. "Other" was not added at John 1:3. Obviously, because it can't fit the rest of the sentence. You cannot add "other" when the verse clearly said that apart from him not even one thing came into existence. It is also noteworthy that if you read col 1:16 in their interlinear, you will notice that "other" is not there showing that "other" was added.

Thirdly, The book of John was written after the book of Colossians. So John must have known what Paul wrote at col 1:15,16 before he wrote that apart from Jesus "not even one thing came into existence". This shows that neither John nor Paul thought that Jesus was part of creation. That phrase at John 1:3 also shows that John didn't mean that Rev 3:14 be understood to mean that Jesus was a creature. John 1:3 was written after the book of Revelation. This means that Col 1:15 doesn't fit the rest of the scriptures if we understand "firstborn" to mean first created. Firstborn can also mean preeminence as in Exod 4:22.

But let's see Col 1:15, 16 ones more.

Let us analyse Colosians chapter 1:15-16 first, then we shall see what this firstborn means.

See col 1:16-17

"because by means of him all (other) things were created in the heavens and on the earth, the things visible and the things invisible, whether they are thrones or lordships or governments or authorities. All (other) things have been created through him and for him. 17 Also, he is before all (other) things, and by means of him all (other) things were made to exist."

Why can we say that Jesus is not part of the creation?

The bible clearly says that all things created included both things visible and things invisible. This statement includes all created things in heaven. If Jesus was an invisible creature, then he created himself. If that is not plausible, then Jesus was not created. This scripture thus agrees with John 1:3, that not even one thing existed apart from Jesus.

Then why is he called the FIRSTBORN?

We read:

"He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of all creation; 16 because by means of him all (other) things were created in the heavens and on the earth, the things visible and the things invisible, whether they are thrones or lordships or governments or authorities. All (other) things have been created through him and for him."

This verse is clearly self explanatory. Notice that verse 16 explains the reason he is the firstborn. It says "BECAUSE by means of him all things were created..." This is self explanatory, he is the firstborn because all things were made by him. Firstborn in this sense means preeminence or Lord of creation. In him were all things created and for him. The same preeminence is pointed out in verse 18.

What about Prov 8:22?

I don't see this verse as a strong evidence of Jesus creation. Wisdom was used here and was seen to be possessed by kings and many others. Now in verse 22, it was said that Jehovah possessed the wisdom. The Hebrew word can be translated possess, purchase or beget. The latter can be found at Gen 4:1 beget a child. The same Hebrew word occured there. Certainly, Jesus is begotten by the Father. Begetal is not the same as created. You create from other materials while you beget your kind, your nature. Man begets a human. It should also be borne in mind that Apostle John knew about Prov 8:22 before he wrote at John 1:3 that"not even one thing came into existence" apart from Jesus. So we cannot take everything in Prov 8:22 as literal.

For example this Proverb appear to say that Jesus came sometime within the creative activity of Jehovah. But John 1:1-3 and Col 1:15-17 says Jesus did ALL the creating, while God the Father must have featured in some way, Jesus is said to be the main creator. Not even one thing came into existence apart from Jesus. Of course, what Jesus does is often said to be done by God and vice versa because they dwell within themselves. John 14:10. But since God the Father occupy the Headship role, he is often credited with ownership of the work most of the times.

In all this, John 1:3 is both more clear and rules out any supposition that Jesus is a creature. Heb 1:3 even stated that the universe, all creation is sustained by the word of his power. Can a creature sustain creatures? This shows that all things issued from him and he is their sustainer.

But what about Begotten?

Trinitarians agree that Jesus is begotten. Like I said above, He is begotten, not made. What is the subject of discussion is what begotten mean. Some are of the opinion that Jesus was generated by the Father from all eternity. Meaning that there was no time that the Son was not in existence. I personally think that God split Himself in two such that the other half didn't have beginning of experience at life, but have the same nature and experience as the Father. And for the purposes of having other conscious creatures like humans, they took roles, one Father, and the other Son. Then from Father and Son issue the Holy Spirit. The Father playing role of Headship, the Son acting a subordinate role. There are many reasons to reason this way, as I write more on the lofty position of Jesus, this will naturally start to make sense. But for now let's see why we cannot fix a beginning of experience for Jesus.

Let's start with Prov 8:22. When was the Son installed or brought up or begotten?

Prov 8:22-24, identifies it as "the beginning of his ways", earliest of his achievement of long ago", then verse 23 use the word " from". It says " from ancient times.

This might appear to suggest a beginning in time, but not until we understand the meaning of Ancient times. The same Hebrew word is used at at Psalm 93:2. We also see the same word used for Jesus at Micah 5:2. But notice what Psalm 93:2 says.

"Your throne was firmly established long ago; From eternity you have existed."

Notice that the word " from eternity" is used of the Father as well. This cannot make us to think that God the Father started from somewhere in eternity. See again at Hab 1:12

12 Are you not from everlasting, O Jehovah? O my God, my Holy One, you do not die. O Jehovah, you appointed them to execute judgment; My Rock, you established them for punishment.

This is just few of where the same word is used of God. So the word ancient time or when "from" is used, we should not be tempted to think of beginning of existence. At worse beginning of experience.

Some have thought of the word "Son" attached to "begotten", as in, "only begotten Son" to say that for he to be a son, of necessity demands that he have a beginning. We can understand why one will say that, at least that is our own experience as humans, but the nature of God is not flesh. All the analogy we use for God must be borne in mind that it is not all encompassing, there are limitations to our analogies. For example while he is called only begotten Son, he is also called only begotten God at John 1:18. This made many scholars to see the begotten as a way of differentiating the function of the Father from that of the Son. Jesus is also called Everlasting Father at Isaiah 9:6. It is becoming clear that this might be because of roles they undertook from everlasting.

Let us move to other things said about Jesus that shows that he MUST be of the same essence or nature as his Father.

We ll consider that next week Thursday.

MaxInDHouse:
You've always say it's delusion so why bother yourself again?

MaxInDHouse:
I have no business with you, go and ask your Papa whatever he tells you is your part.

MaxInDHouse:
Let the one asking demand for that!

Barristter07:

Matt 24:36
"But about that day or hour no one knows, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father. "

Jesus said he doesn't know , but only the Father.

- The Son doesn't know, therefore the son cannot reveal to anyone the day and hour. This automatically rules out the holy spirit knowing the day and hour.

In that case, I repeat . Holy spirit doesn't know the day and hour, which means it's not God nor a person.


To claim otherwise, is to commit the heresy that holy spirit is a person that knows the Father's Mind much more than Jesus. ,hence greater than Christ. ❌ Unscriptural

MaxInDHouse:
Matthew 16:16

advanceDNA:
I don't get.. He told his members to stop paying tithes....yet started to complain when they stopped and the collections reduced..??

Corrections:
You don't need to raise eyebrows in response to this topic. Yes, devil values the truth more than gold. That is the undiluted truth if you ever care to know. Even though the Devil is the father of all liers (john 8:44) it completely relies on the truth to survive.

The truth is like a compass in the devil’s hand, without it, there is no direction of mission or purpose. It is from the Devil’s knowledge of truth that it produces weapons of lies.

What is truth? Truth is aligning with the reality and authenticity. The yardstick to measuring the truth is “God and his words”. Why? It is because he laid the foundation of all things that ever existed anywhere.

Colossians 1:16-17
For by Him all things were created that are in heaven and that are on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or principalities or powers. All things were created through Him and for Him.

Therefore, God is where you can get the authenticity and reality of everything concerning life. Even the Devil knows this reality of getting the truth from “God and it’s words”. In other words, the Devil is a specialist and a master at searching the scriptures (the bible) where God’s words are found. It is unfortunate that while the Devil searches for truth from God many people comfortably reject the same God and the truth it possesses.

Truth is the bedrock of reality, anything built on foundation of lies will only crumble and fall. We don't build a nation on lies or rub faeces on body claiming we working towards a good healthy life. That can't be the truth!! It's a lie and the result can't be positive. Satan's reliance on truth points out the importance of authenticity in survival. Satan uses truth to his advantage inorder to ensure its continuity in existence. Satan uses the truth to create convincing narratives that deceive the most discerning individual.

Satan's goal is to remain hidden while executing his plans, making his influence look like a mere natural consequence of human action, hence bible warns us about Satan's tactics, urging us to beware of them.

1peter 5:8
Be alert and of sober mind . Your enemy the Devil moved around like a roaring lion looking for someone to devour.


Yes! Satan is always on a mission to devour people with lies. God says 'you are great and you will end well but Satan knowing this truth, will twist (lie) it and tell you ..."what a hopeless failure you are and you can never end well". You can imagine God saying he is God of all flesh and creator of everything that exists anywhere, but Satan keeps lying to people saying there is no God. The funny part of this is that after the deception of "no God" to people, the same Satan goes behind to recognize God as his "creator" and "Lord" when in God's presence.

Job 1:6

Now there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan came also among them.

Satan's reliance on the truth may seem ironic but it is a testament to the "power of truth". It only shows how truth is important and adored
by Satan. God expects us to choose the truth that it may be well with us and our children.

Deuteronomy 30:19

New International Version
This day I call the heavens and the earth as witnesses against you that I have set before you life and death, blessings and curses. Now choose life , so that you and your children may live.

Truth beautifies and sustains life. No scientist or researcher builds on lies (incorrect facts) and gets positive result, hence the reason they rely on truth (correct facts) to succeed.You need to decide today on which to survive on between the "truth" and "lie" but one thing I can assure you of is that, even Satan , choosed the "truth" to survive on its continuity of its existence.





HOW TO CONNECT WITH JESUS

John14:6
Jesus told him ' I am the way-
Yes, and the truth and the life. No one can GET to the father (GOD) except by means of me (JESUS ).


Say lord Jesus am sorry for the sins have committed and today I accept you as the son of God and as my lord and personal savior. Help me to follow you now and for ever more. Amen!!!

hardbody:
It's ok if you are that low in life but don't paint everyone else with your brush. First, I have a brain that rationalises and deciphers. Second I can't dust any man's shoe, I am not an aboki. Most importantly, you made no point whatsoever.

hardbody:
So they don't understand delegation in management. They must be live in a location for God to hear them because he stopped being ubiquitous. Business leaders in all those other locations should be able to manage their business units (church branches) while the GO concentrates in the HQ. Most of the people tithing for the private jet and it's maintenance trekk to and from walk. May my brain not be messed up by a fellow man.

Emusan:
And it will continue to be most lie against God and His word.

MaxInDHouse:
Since the year 1914!

johnw47:
false prophecies/false date settings, of the so called Jehovahs witnesses: jwfacts dot com

"We shall be as glad as any one if we shall all experience our change from earthly to spirit conditions before 1915, and and this is our expectation; but if this should not be the Lord's will, then it would not be our will. So far as we have been able to see up to the present time, the failure of a full development of matters in 1915, or before, would imply that all the chronological arrangements, as we have them, are wrong--our view of the Harvest and all. And we have no reason to believe that these are wrong. We remember that we are not infallible, and that our judgment is not infallible; but the wonderful inventions of today, and the light that is dawning in every direction, as well as the universal unrest, seem in corroboration of the chronology--that we are in the dawning of the New Age. But just how far along we are we do not positively know." Watch Tower 1914 Jan 1 p.5 (reprints 5374)

When Jesus earthly kingdom did not eventuate in 1914, Watchtower publications began to promote 1915. When 1915 amounted to nothing, the entire meaning of all Russell's prophetic interpretation required rewriting. It took until 1943[2] for the new understanding to finally be clarified.

Boomark:
The insult above is not the 3 scriptures I ask you to post showing that the name of God is "Jealous."

I have proven to you before that you don't know anything. Go and quote scriptures. Unless what they teach you people in your churches is how to insult people who ask to prove yourself.