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MaxInDHouse:
Please let me get something straight.

You trinitarians always say your God is three PERSONS in ONE, Please which of these three is not a PERSON:

The Father.
The Son.
The Holy Ghost or Spirit.

MrPresident1:
People will just be stressing themselves over something they understand next to nothing about.

Who told you that the Bible is a book for the understanding of peasants?

Michael547:
Alright......how would you also explain the name of your God that appears in the verse below?

Michael547:
How does my question connote that I have a problem with English language?

My question is also in English as stated below:
If the name of your God is Jealous, Would it be proper if I say that my name is Jealous, or I say that someone is Jealous?

Would that mean that I am bearing the name of your Almighty God or giving someone else that name?

Michael547:
Would it be proper if I say that my name is Jealous, or I say that someone is Jealous?

Would that mean that I am bearing the name of the Almighty God or giving someone else that name?

Michael547:
Alright....is this verse saying that the personal name of your God is Jealous, or is it saying that your God has an attribute of Jealousy?

If I say someone is Jealous, am I calling that person the name of your God?

Michael547:
What's the name of your God?

datola:
What's the importance of the ranks if they cannot win the war against insurgency and banditry in their country.

MaxInDHouse:
You're never serious with matters of faith so i have nothing to say to you, let whoever i'm chatting with talk for himself or herself.

MaxInDHouse:
Why is it that you're always scared to speak for your own beliefs?

For your information Jehovah's Witnesses have always believed that no other organization is worshiping their God.

Right from the onset Abraham never believe that anyone outside his family of faithful ones are worshipers of his God that's why he will not allow his son Isaac to marry from pagans despite the fact that those he referred to as pagans were created by the same God Almighty.

Israelites never believe that other nations are worshiping their God apart from those under the same covenant with the God of Abraham.

Jews never believe that any other race worship their God and Jesus himself confirmed this at Jacob's well. John 4:22

Christians don't agree that any other group are worshiping their God apart from their own fellow believers.

So if you're of the opinion that worshipers from different religions with contradicting teachings and conflicting doctrines are worshiping your own God i don't from my own understanding it must be One Lord One Faith One baptism! Ephesians 4:5

FxMasterz:
You mentioned again?

I do not attend Winners Chapel. Please be corrected.

See, I do not go by conventional Christianity myself. I have studied wide to discover that the Roman Catholics delivered a lot of falsehoods to us. In an attempt to discover what the real truth is, studies were made by many groups, certain truths were established and this led to denominations. Each denomination was founded by groups that believed in the same truths they discovered. Truths are still being discovered as we speak, and there are still many breakouts as a result.

I have questioned many things in my own Christian journey. I have visited Roman Catholic, JW, Anglican Methodist White Garment and eventually settled for Pentecostalism because that's where the Gospel is practically demonstrated. Pentecostalism keeps updating because they're very flexible and open to learning new things as are being thought by the Holy Ghost. That does not mean there are no charlatans among them as there are in all denominations and groups.

So, my argument or conclusions are not one sided as you suppose. Except you have had varied experiences as I, you probably would never understand the errors you hold on to.

As I said earlier, I'm not the conventional Christian. I'm Pentecostal but I can admit that Pentecostalism is not perfect. No denomination is perfect. No organization is perfect. The Roman Catholics bastardized Christianity before the Reformation. The Reformation has not stopped. God is still reforming the Church. That is why we need to keep following God bumper to bumper so as to keep ourselves updated regarding what God is doing right now. Many organizations are dwelling on what God has done yesterday. God has moved on, and they were left behind because they were myopic.

I keep studying the scriptures for myself without being carried away by the rules or doctrines of Pentecostalism. God deals with people individually and not as a group. That's why I just laugh at your ignorance when you always ask for a church. You seem to believe that truth can only be found in a church. A church is governed physically by individuals who claim to receive from God. They are mere men. There's nothing special about them. They're just the usual human beings like you with the same weaknesses and needs. But the truth is that God gives revelation and light to all His children. All you need is to open your heart directly to keep receiving what God is saying. Any son that cannot reserve directly from his father is a bastard. You agree with me? If someone must always tell you what your father wants you to do, is that not a bastard to whom the father will never speak directly? Everyone child of God can receive from God. There's no one anywhere who has that monopoly. Anybody claiming the monopoly of receiving from God on behalf of others is a deceiver.

Even when truth is supposedly delivered to you, sieve it through the lenses of God's word. The mighty falls. If you think that the mighty is infallible, you'll fall with him when he falls. There's no one on earth who cannot at anytime fall into errors. That's why you need to check what you hear and read before believing it totally in your heart. It doesn't matter who is speaking or writing. All teachings must align with the word of God. Otherwise, you'll have yourself to blame when you stand before the Almighty God all alone to account for the life you lived on earth. Even the so-called custodians of truth would not be there for you on that day. Everyman to himself. And hey! No one would be held responsible for your errors in believing in wrong doctrines and falsehoods. Even the peddler of false doctrines would not be held responsible for misleading you. You're responsible for yourself and for yourself alone. Therefore, shine your eyes.

MaxInDHouse:
Jesus' use of idioms has rendered all of them unwise because the [b]Holy Spirit knowing God's mind [/b]simply means when true Christians wants to do something as a congregation but are lost in thought regarding the way forward they should trust the Holy Spirit in directing them to scriptures that will serve as light during such dark moments. Psalms 119:105

But trinitarians used that to support their Trinity yet they can't arrive at the same junction in doing things in harmony like real disciples! 1Corinthians 1:10; Ephesians 4:3

MaxInDHouse:
It's a sacred secret that can be really difficult for a Muslim to understand but i will try and explain to the best of my knowledge.

The man who was born by Joseph and Mary didn't come through the usual reproduction process because he has been existing in heaven before as an angel. In fact he was the angel God spoke with @ Genesis 1:26 so when the time came for him to come and do a difficult task that no human could do God transformed him into an embryo in the womb of Mary.
His memories were taken away completely from him but because he wasn't born through the same process like all other men he had a perfect mind so he quickly understands whatever he learns even faster than all those who have been doing it before him.
So by the time God wanted him to start the work He (God) used His active force (Holy Spirit) to direct Jesus to John the baptist who at the time was baptizing Jews in preparation for the assignment God had for them as a nation.
It was immediately after his baptism that he regained all his lost memories and from then he began doing the things he used to do before his transformation that's why he could raise the dead, cure all manner of sickness and even control the forces of nature.
So when the Jews noticed all these they were confused and began questioning him on why he is not following the traditions of their ancestors that's why he uttered that statement:

"before all your ancestors (like Abraham) i have been existing"
This means Jesus knew what led their ancestors into at the Jews were holding so dearly: traditions

I hope this does it.

MaxInDHouse:
Both means the same thing: beginning of life!

Sand2022:
Last time I posted about the meaning of Trinity which many obviously don't know. Today, I will be writing about Jesus origin.

My previous belief was that Jesus was a creature. This is because of what I was taught as a JW. The view is that Col 1:15 says that Jesus is the FIRSTBORN of all creation. The organization understand that to mean that Jesus was the first person created by God. They also understand the same about Only Begotten. They understand that begotten mean created. That Jesus is the only person directly created by Jehovah. And that after Jesus creation, God used Jesus to create all other things. That is why if you notice in their translation they added "other" in Col 1:16. Their view made them to use "a god" in their translation of John 1:1.

However, as I further went through the scriotures, I realized that the view is lacking. Why?

Why Jesus is not a Creature:

See John 1:1-3 once more.

"In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was a god. 2 This one was in the beginning with God. 3 All things came into existence through him, and apart from him not even one thing came into existence. What has come into existence."

The bold face phrase shows clearly that Jesus cannot be a creature. Since this verse says that apart from Jesus, NOT even ONE thing came into existence, we only have two option, 1. If Jesus was created, Jesus must be the one who created himself. Why? Because apart from him, nothing was made. 2. He was not created.

The latter conclusion seems plausible.

Secondly, the word "all" that appeared in verse 3 is "panta" which the New World Translation added "other" at Col 1:16. "Other" was not added at John 1:3. Obviously, because it can't fit the rest of the sentence. You cannot add "other" when the verse clearly said that apart from him not even one thing came into existence. It is also noteworthy that if you read col 1:16 in their interlinear, you will notice that "other" is not there showing that "other" was added.

Thirdly, The book of John was written after the book of Colossians. So John must have known what Paul wrote at col 1:15,16 before he wrote that apart from Jesus "not even one thing came into existence". This shows that neither John nor Paul thought that Jesus was part of creation. That phrase at John 1:3 also shows that John didn't mean that Rev 3:14 be understood to mean that Jesus was a creature. John 1:3 was written after the book of Revelation. This means that Col 1:15 doesn't fit the rest of the scriptures if we understand "firstborn" to mean first created. Firstborn can also mean preeminence as in Exod 4:22.

But let's see Col 1:15, 16 ones more.

Let us analyse Colosians chapter 1:15-16 first, then we shall see what this firstborn means.

See col 1:16-17

"because by means of him all (other) things were created in the heavens and on the earth, the things visible and the things invisible, whether they are thrones or lordships or governments or authorities. All (other) things have been created through him and for him. 17 Also, he is before all (other) things, and by means of him all (other) things were made to exist."

Why can we say that Jesus is not part of the creation?

The bible clearly says that all things created included both things visible and things invisible. This statement includes all created things in heaven. If Jesus was an invisible creature, then he created himself. If that is not plausible, then Jesus was not created. This scripture thus agrees with John 1:3, that not even one thing existed apart from Jesus.

Then why is he called the FIRSTBORN?

We read:

"He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of all creation; 16 because by means of him all (other) things were created in the heavens and on the earth, the things visible and the things invisible, whether they are thrones or lordships or governments or authorities. All (other) things have been created through him and for him."

This verse is clearly self explanatory. Notice that verse 16 explains the reason he is the firstborn. It says "BECAUSE by means of him all things were created..." This is self explanatory, he is the firstborn because all things were made by him. Firstborn in this sense means preeminence or Lord of creation. In him were all things created and for him. The same preeminence is pointed out in verse 18.

What about Prov 8:22?

I don't see this verse as a strong evidence of Jesus creation. Wisdom was used here and was seen to be possessed by kings and many others. Now in verse 22, it was said that Jehovah possessed the wisdom. The Hebrew word can be translated possess, purchase or beget. The latter can be found at Gen 4:1 beget a child. The same Hebrew word occured there. Certainly, Jesus is begotten by the Father. Begetal is not the same as created. You create from other materials while you beget your kind, your nature. Man begets a human. It should also be borne in mind that Apostle John knew about Prov 8:22 before he wrote at John 1:3 that"not even one thing came into existence" apart from Jesus. So we cannot take everything in Prov 8:22 as literal.

For example this Proverb appear to say that Jesus came sometime within the creative activity of Jehovah. But John 1:1-3 and Col 1:15-17 says Jesus did ALL the creating, while God the Father must have featured in some way, Jesus is said to be the main creator. Not even one thing came into existence apart from Jesus. Of course, what Jesus does is often said to be done by God and vice versa because they dwell within themselves. John 14:10. But since God the Father occupy the Headship role, he is often credited with ownership of the work most of the times.

In all this, John 1:3 is both more clear and rules out any supposition that Jesus is a creature. Heb 1:3 even stated that the universe, all creation is sustained by the word of his power. Can a creature sustain creatures? This shows that all things issued from him and he is their sustainer.

But what about Begotten?

Trinitarians agree that Jesus is begotten. Like I said above, He is begotten, not made. What is the subject of discussion is what begotten mean. Some are of the opinion that Jesus was generated by the Father from all eternity. Meaning that there was no time that the Son was not in existence. I personally think that God split Himself in two such that the other half didn't have beginning of experience at life, but have the same nature and experience as the Father. And for the purposes of having other conscious creatures like humans, they took roles, one Father, and the other Son. Then from Father and Son issue the Holy Spirit. The Father playing role of Headship, the Son acting a subordinate role. There are many reasons to reason this way, as I write more on the lofty position of Jesus, this will naturally start to make sense. But for now let's see why we cannot fix a beginning of experience for Jesus.

Let's start with Prov 8:22. When was the Son installed or brought up or begotten?

Prov 8:22-24, identifies it as "the beginning of his ways", earliest of his achievement of long ago", then verse 23 use the word " from". It says " from ancient times.

This might appear to suggest a beginning in time, but not until we understand the meaning of Ancient times. The same Hebrew word is used at at Psalm 93:2. We also see the same word used for Jesus at Micah 5:2. But notice what Psalm 93:2 says.

"Your throne was firmly established long ago; From eternity you have existed."

Notice that the word " from eternity" is used of the Father as well. This cannot make us to think that God the Father started from somewhere in eternity. See again at Hab 1:12

12 Are you not from everlasting, O Jehovah? O my God, my Holy One, you do not die. O Jehovah, you appointed them to execute judgment; My Rock, you established them for punishment.

This is just few of where the same word is used of God. So the word ancient time or when "from" is used, we should not be tempted to think of beginning of existence. At worse beginning of experience.

Some have thought of the word "Son" attached to "begotten", as in, "only begotten Son" to say that for he to be a son, of necessity demands that he have a beginning. We can understand why one will say that, at least that is our own experience as humans, but the nature of God is not flesh. All the analogy we use for God must be borne in mind that it is not all encompassing, there are limitations to our analogies. For example while he is called only begotten Son, he is also called only begotten God at John 1:18. This made many scholars to see the begotten as a way of differentiating the function of the Father from that of the Son. Jesus is also called Everlasting Father at Isaiah 9:6. It is becoming clear that this might be because of roles they undertook from everlasting.

Let us move to other things said about Jesus that shows that he MUST be of the same essence or nature as his Father.

We ll consider that next week Thursday.

Buccalcavity2:
Politicians 😂😂

AntiChristian:
Being poisoned by a Jew?

I don't think Jews are here! So it's not possible.

AntiChristian:
You suppose don die tey tey o!

I only pray for death when Allah is pleased with me.

Vinnie2000:
From the 90's to 2000's and 2010's, Jehovah's witnesses used to be Aggressive, Persuasive Gospel Preachers.

*When they knock on your door, they NEVER Stop till you open.
*When they preach, they argue and make sure they win you.
*Even on Christmas day, they will waylay you and start telling how the celebration is Roman Pagan holiday.
*In my house then, I had up to 60,70 AWAKE and WATCHTOWER magazines.

But, from 2020 till now, you HARDLY see Jehovah's witnesses preaching.

And BTW, One of my committed young JW friend is now a YAHOO Boy with JLK.

While another JW Girl I used to crush on those days based on her Innocent looks
is now posting Short gown Picx on WhatsApp and Instagram.


WHAT'S HAPPENING to Jehovah's witnesses in Nigeria?
Chatinent, Come and educate us. Nplfmod. Thanks.

Janosky:
Did Jesus Christ die for your sins in heaven?

1 Timothy 2:5 references Jesus sacrificial death.

Did you notice that 1 Timothy 2:5, "For there is one God", 'one God ' of 1 Timothy 2:5 in heaven is NOT Jesus Christ your deity?


Dunce sparrow.

MaxInDHouse:
Since you are just joking up and down the forum i don't see any reason discussing with jokers so go and ask your Papa Oyedepo if you need knowledge!

AntiChristian:
Yeah he died almost 63 years a few years after being poisoned!

Are you ready to die like Jesus, John or Stephen at 33?

AntiChristian:
So Stephen was stoned!
John the Baptist beheaded as birthday Gift!
Jesus crucified!

Mightysparrow how will you die?

MaxInDHouse:
So it is with the resurrection of the dead. It is sown in corruption; it is raised up in incorruption. It is sown in dishonor; it is raised up in glory. It is sown in weakness; it is raised up in power. It is sown a physical body; it is raised up a spiritual body. If there is a physical body, there is also a spiritual one. So it is written: “The first man Adam became a living person.” The last Adam became a life-giving spirit. However, what is spiritual is not first. What is physical is first, and afterward what is spiritual. The first man is from the earth and made of dust; the second man is from heaven. Like the one made of dust, so too are those made of dust; and like the heavenly one, so too are those who are heavenly. And just as we have borne the image of the one made of dust, we will bear also the image of the heavenly one. But I tell you this, brothers, that flesh and blood cannot inherit God’s Kingdom, nor does corruption inherit incorruption. 1 Corinthians 15:42-50

With this it's evident that Christ was given another body (spiritual) according to verse 44 (incorruptible) according to verse 42 without which no one can go to heaven according to verse 50.

AntiChristian:
Who killed Jesus?
Wasn't Jesus send to be killed and he accepted to be killed?

Why are you saying they killed Jesus?

doggedfighter:
Is that his house ?

iwaeda:
You tried, but it ended 2-6.

Creamypie:
no. Delsu, abraka

MaxInDHouse:
Continue deceiving yourself.

Remember you and i aren't worshiping the same God.

That remains valid whether you like it or not!

MaxInDHouse:
You don't understand yet.
It's the name you're so concerned about not the attitude.
For your information there are Jehovah's Witnesses in different religions today but what makes them JWs is just one mindset:

"Only one organization is doing God's will and i am part of that organization"

If you find anyone having such a mindset know today that no matter the religion he or she is practicing presently he doesn't belong there because he is one of Jehovah's Witnesses the one and only organization of One God, One faith One baptism.

So don't think because someone is following us today makes such a person one of us.

That's why you will notice that those you're calling Jehovah's Witnesses but have left the organization can't have that same mindset, they have become IDOLATERS people who welcome multiple Gods in the name of DENOMINATIONS!

MaxInDHouse:
If you're truly convinced that someone is deluded then why always following him up and down?

AndroBlaze:
I am not sure you understood what I said. Leopards still exist in the Southwest and the proper name for them is "Ekun". "Amotekun" is cheetah, which also existed in the SW. "Ekun", for people who understand the Yoruba culture cannot mean Tiger because it never existed at the time the expression was originally formed and in use.




Good point. I will take time to study the reference. I always thought that we had tiger in Southwest more so the popular something Agu worn by igbos are decorated by tiger's head. Since southeast is still south with the same geographical location. I thought they understand what tiger really looks like.

https://globalvoices.org/2020/01/30/nigerias-operation-amo%CC%A9te%CC%A9kun-was-it-named-after-a-leopard-cheetah-or-tiger/#:~:text=This%20proverb%20affirms%20that%20Yor%C3%B9b%C3%A1,skins%2C%20compared%20with%20the%20tiger.