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AbuTwins:
Paul was writing to the church in Corinth which was under the ruler Sosthenes! How did this become Scripture?

Just as Jesus did add something to the law, Muhammad too did add to whatever remains from Jesus. And all of them were inspired! As for Paul, na Satan inspire am as you quoted earlier!

The Injeel and Torah didn't survive. Your Bible scholars agree to this. You are the dishonest one here!

Jesus never met him. He was Saul the persecutor of Christians. Later after Jesus, he claimed repentance and changed everything!

Allah and his companions were!

Did you read the verse I qouted correctly? You would see that Paul was writing to all churches of all times.
Be honest.
That is how your prophet picked some books that suited his fraudphethood and discarded others.

What did Jesus add to Law?

Our blodas will km finish Nigeria with their fake products.

AbuTwins:
This is false! This is what you do with your Bible. You cherry pick verses that suits you without being holistic!


Of course the injeel and Torah did mention Muhammad in some form. But we know clear that the Torah and Injeel are lost now. What is repackaged as the Torah and Injeel or Bible is a fluke!
Modern scholarship makes us know that the gospels were most likely not written by Matthew, Mark, Luke and John! And there are many expositions by non-Muslim scholarship!


There was no mention of Muhammad or the Qur'an in the new testament by name!

Paul wrote letters to the churches he created and it became your scriptures. You now use that letter here against Islam!

When you say the standard of the Bible the standard is actually Paul's. Even this same verse affects Paul himself. He met the same Satan and wrote over half of your New testament!

Paul even accused Peter and others of hypocrisy!

Clap for yourself,


1Cor.1.1 - Paul, called to be an apostle of Jesus Christ through the will of God, and Sosthenes our brother,
1Cor.1.2 - Unto the church of God which is at Corinth, to them that are sanctified in Christ Jesus, called to be saints, with all that in every place call upon the name of Jesus Christ our Lord, both theirs and ours:

For whom is Paul's Epistles?

Mohammed is an impostor. A fraudphet
He has nothing to correct in Christianity.

If you can deny what is clear from the Bible and esteem what is Of course the injeel and Torah did mention Muhammad in some form .
Where is your honesty?

Paul was a servant of Jesus commissioned by Jesus Himself. He had an encounter with Jesus in the presence of witnesses, so was Moses.

Who are the witnesses of Mohammed's encounter with which Allah?

[quote no author=AbuTwins post=129877669]I am talking about modern scholarship here. John may have been a disciple of Jesus but the book of John was written close to 70 years after Jesus.
It was patiently doctored and elevated than other books in the gospel. The book of Mark was written about 30 years after Jesus. The book of John has been seriously doctored in the decades of years that existed between it and Mark! The books of Mark were written close to that of Paul's letters! I wonder why Paul's letters were written first before the gospels. All these just to do ojoro!

The books of the NT were more than the 27 books today! They were fixed to 27 in the 4th century! So the NT was fixed about 400 years after Jesus! Many Books were removed from the canon! This wasn't done by Jesus or any of the disciples!

Muhammad came about 300 years later to correct it.

So it's not really 700 years![/quote]Tell us how the Quran was compiled and edited. Let us learn about the corrections if Mohammed. How many versions of Quran are available which is authentic?
Tell us about the Quran.

Emusan:
That picture is exactly one the deceptions I was talking about.

You're not against consumption of alcohol yet your gesture portraits that person who is totally against and hate it.

Meanwhile, in corner you can consume more than those in the picture.

These guys are living in delusion.

AbuTwins:
Can you also quote one Bible verse that specifically mentions criticising the Qur'an and Muslims?

What Allah emphasizes in the Qur'an is to encourage one another in acts of righteousness and to be truthful!

And it would be unrighteous for me to see evil and not warn people from it!

1. We are saying the same thing. Your Quran asked you to ask a Jew or a Christian ( Max or me or any other Christian) to explain what you don't know. Today, some of you Muslims go out of your god's and prophet's commandments and be arguing with us. Are you faithful to your god and prophet?
2. The Bible is a complete book and didn't have anything to do with Mohammed. There is no single verse of the Bible that refers to Mohammed. Mohammed came about 700 years after Jesus, after all the apostles have died, the Bible being completed about 450 years and came to bring confusion.

3.In the standard of the Bible, Mohammed and his Jubril are cursed persons.


Gal.1.8 - But though we, or an angel (Islamic Jubril) from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.
Gal.1.9 - As we said before, so say I now again, If any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed.

AbuTwins:
No!

Isaiah didn't mention he saw Jesus!
I'm only interpreting your Bible without a trinitarian mindset just like the Jews would!

Do you want to rewrite the Bible?
What I pointed to you is all from the Bible not ax's idea or Mohammed's .
Bible!
Bible!!

John was with Jesus. He saw Him face to face.
He learned at Jesus's feet. You are here over 2000 year misinterpreting the Bible to suit your Islamic confusion. The same your prophet did almost 700 years after Jesus Christ.
Are you honest at all?

paramakina202:
Okay now you've turn it to contribution right?
If you had put it this way there won't have been any argument as every party member makes contribution to the growth and maintenance of the party he belongs that is quite different from alleged illegal sponsorship of Peter Obi's political movement from inflated contracts.Alex Otti is not under any obligation to do that let it be clear.He have no political godfather that will compel him to do that

That is why I initially asked you if you are into politics. During Tinubu tenure in Lagos, he brought in people from all Southwest states and made them commissioners. He empowered them financially to go and context in their states. Tha is what brought about Kayode Fayemi, of Ekiti, Aregbesola of Osun, Akabueze who later joined Osinbajo in the immediate past administration in Abuja.
Politics is like that everywhere. If Labour Party will survive next election, there has to be sacrifices from the office holders. Their reps, senators, governor will contribute.

Mind you, APC/Tinubu are are formidable force you can't take for granted.
Thanks for your understanding.

paramakina202:
What you are doing is saying is mere speculation and spreading of fake news against your persived opponents.
Of course no politician is a saint but some are better than others.#fact
If you have any evidence that Alex Otti is using Abia state fund to sponsor Peter Obi's political movement kind post it here or keep quiet.

Will he publish anything he contributes to the party maintenance? That is the practice everywhere.

Except your heavenly made Labour Party

Eriokanmi:
Don't mind them. They were mainly referring to the Old Ibadan settlement. If you've been to the new settlement, you'd not believe your eyes. In Nigeria, civilisation started in Ibadan. Ibadan was just like lagos or Abuja of nowadays. In those days, people would come from outside Nigeria to visit Ibadan. 2 african cities were known for tourism in those days, because of their high level of civilisation and huge population. They're Ibadan and Cairo. Ibadan used to be the largest city in Africa before Cairo overtook her. You could drive for 3 hours within Ibadan metropolis and you're still there. A prof emeritus once told me that, they used to receive patients into UCH from other African nations and the tertiary health institution was once voted the 4th best in the entire commonwealth nations. You know what that means.

On the brown roofs, as of the time when about 80% of houses in Nigeria were covered with rafia palms and bamboos, 80% of houses in Ibadan already had the galvanised iron sheets on them. People used to come and see that alone. Rich men from outside would come and build in Ibadan. Unfortunately,.Ibadan lost its status for years until makinde arrived. If only we can allow merit to have its way , mediocrity won't hold sway and we'd always get better as a nation. Seyi makinde is a true representation of omoluabi. That's what we're known for, and not someone of controversial status. Makinde is a clean politician whose profile can be verified anywhere. Kudos to him. If he continues this way, he'd lead Nigeria sooner than anticipated. Soludo and Oti are another guys to look out for. We have such visionaries in every tribe.

True talk my brother.
The forebears of those shouting brown roofs were living in thatched houses, caves, and tree tops , when those houses were built. You want to compare civilization of Yoruba people to their barbaric past?

Proudly Yoruba.

Judolisco:
Wow... Obi will soon react to dis wonderful news of how Burkina Faso is forcing journalists to join the army.... Since na everything him they react to....

Obi is a reactor, shey?

seunmsg:
Nothing will happen if Fubara is impeached. If you guys see nothing wrong in his attempt to impeach 27 elected members of the House of Assembly, why then are you crying over the plan to impeach him?

These are Law makers telling you the Law.

Why don't you sell this Ajaokuta nonsense as a scrap? For over 50 years FG have spending without any reasonable outcome. I remember in the days of Joe Garba, he said similar things.

AbuTwins:
I have read the context from Isaiah 6: 1-11as pasted below and i didn't see Jesus at all.
You have to read it with a trinitarian mindset to see Jesus therein!

More so Max believes it was an angel while you believe it was Jesus there and you make it seem like you support him while you are against him in reality! Hypocrisy!

Isaiah’s Commission
6 In the year that King Uzziah died, I saw the Lord, high and exalted, seated on a throne; and the train of his robe filled the temple. 2 Above him were seraphim, each with six wings: With two wings they covered their faces, with two they covered their feet, and with two they were flying. 3 And they were calling to one another:

“Holy, holy, holy is the Lord Almighty;
the whole earth is full of his glory.”

4 At the sound of their voices the doorposts and thresholds shook and the temple was filled with smoke.

5 “Woe to me!” I cried. “I am ruined! For I am a man of unclean lips, and I live among a people of unclean lips, and my eyes have seen the King, the Lord Almighty.”

6 Then one of the seraphim flew to me with a live coal in his hand, which he had taken with tongs from the altar. 7 With it he touched my mouth and said, “See, this has touched your lips; your guilt is taken away and your sin atoned for.”

8 Then I heard the voice of the Lord saying, “Whom shall I send? And who will go for us?”

And I said, “Here am I. Send me!”

9 He said, “Go and tell this people:

“‘Be ever hearing, but never understanding;
be ever seeing, but never perceiving.’
10 Make the heart of this people calloused;
make their ears dull
and close their eyes.[a]
Otherwise they might see with their eyes,
hear with their ears,
understand with their hearts,
and turn and be healed.”

11 Then I said, “For how long, Lord?”

And he answered:

“Until the cities lie ruined
and without inhabitant,
until the houses are left deserted
and the fields ruined and ravaged,


I am also with the Qur'an!
When you guys posts rubbish about Islam do you leave your Bible?
.............................................................
Are you perturbed?
Stay your lane and do as if you no see me!

You should be honest in your busting.
If you can't see the correlation between the two passengers, you choose to be denying the obvious.

Are you trying to rewrite our Bible for us?

AbuTwins:
I quoted Isaiah 6:1-11 above and told you to show me Max's angel Jesus and your own Son of God Jesus therein!

I have shown you already. If he called Jesus and angel and you call Him a prophet and I call Him a Son.

Are we not referring to the same person? Jesus.

Now t drew your attention to the writing of John, who was a part of Jesus student, a disciple, whom Jesus taught directly.

You feel Max, Mohammed or any reporter has better authority than his?

In your busting, be honest.

paramakina202:
Are you into politics?Do I have to be into politics to know what is happening in my state?
Do you have evidence that Alex Otti is giving state fund to Peter Obi?
And why should Alex Otti do that?
Alex Otti is not one of your average politicians you have all over Nigeria that does not know the purpose of governance than to loot.

Believe any politician to your own peril. When Buhari was being touted as a Saint, we thought we had a saviour.
However, you can be in your state and don't know what is happening there. You can even belong to a political party and still be in the dark. That Obi or Otti are 100% clean, is a lie.
I am Yoruba man, I desired Obi to have won the election but he didn't.
For somebody of my little age and experience in Nigerian politics, I would only want a change for the fun of it not that he has anything phenomenal to offer.

The relationship of Obi and Otti now is not absolutely clear to you. If Otti would retain his office by next election, he has to make sacrifices. If the Labour Party would not go into extinction, he has to sacrifice some money of your state to keep the engine of the party working.

Do allow emotions to becloud your sense of judgement.

AbuTwins:
I think i am exposing the hidden deceits in Christianity!

Have you read my newest thread about Paul's lie and his accusation of Peter and some other apostles of hypocrisy?

Go and read it as everyone is running away from it.

Note the bolded. You are thinking wrongly.
The Bible from Genesis to Revelation is a single thought. If you just picked somebody's writing or a part of it, you will be enjoying confusing yourself.

Can you qoute an ayat of the Quran that encourages criticizing the Bible? Just one ayat.

paramakina202:
Peter Obi is not Tinubu and Abia state is not Lagos state. Secondly Obi is not a godfather to Alex Otti neither did he sponsored Alex Otti election campaign. In fact Otti was already a candidate before Obi joined LP.
Alex Otti is the people's governor no one can blackmail him.

Dey play. Are you into politics?

AbuTwins:
I have read the context from Isaiah 6: 1-11as pasted below and i didn't see Jesus at all.
You have to read it with a trinitarian mindset to see Jesus therein!

More so Max believes it was an angel while you believe it was Jesus there and you make it seem like you support him while you are against him in reality! Hypocrisy!

Isaiah’s Commission
6 In the year that King Uzziah died, I saw the Lord, high and exalted, seated on a throne; and the train of his robe filled the temple. 2 Above him were seraphim, each with six wings: With two wings they covered their faces, with two they covered their feet, and with two they were flying. 3 And they were calling to one another:

“Holy, holy, holy is the Lord Almighty;
the whole earth is full of his glory.”

4 At the sound of their voices the doorposts and thresholds shook and the temple was filled with smoke.

5 “Woe to me!” I cried. “I am ruined! For I am a man of unclean lips, and I live among a people of unclean lips, and my eyes have seen the King, the Lord Almighty.”

6 Then one of the seraphim flew to me with a live coal in his hand, which he had taken with tongs from the altar. 7 With it he touched my mouth and said, “See, this has touched your lips; your guilt is taken away and your sin atoned for.”

8 Then I heard the voice of the Lord saying, “Whom shall I send? And who will go for us?”

And I said, “Here am I. Send me!”

9 He said, “Go and tell this people:

“‘Be ever hearing, but never understanding;
be ever seeing, but never perceiving.’
10 Make the heart of this people calloused;
make their ears dull
and close their eyes.[a]
Otherwise they might see with their eyes,
hear with their ears,
understand with their hearts,
and turn and be healed.”

11 Then I said, “For how long, Lord?”

And he answered:

“Until the cities lie ruined
and without inhabitant,
until the houses are left deserted
and the fields ruined and ravaged,


I am also with the Qur'an!
When you guys posts rubbish about Islam do you leave your Bible?
.............................................................
Are you perturbed?
Stay your lane and do as if you no see me!

You only hammer on Isaiah 6:8. - 11. Why are running away from the other part of the Bible that gives the interpretation? Do you want to rewrite the Bible for us as your prophet rewrote Jewish scriptures and history?

AbuTwins:
I am not a Bible scholar! But i will burst your Bible interpretations when you lie!

I am a Bible interpretation burster!

You show more of ignorance than knowledge. How can you burst something you know nothing about?

achorladey:
The post is to make them realize that LDS and JW are sisters competing for uniqueness while the resemblance and mode of operation is the same.

Brothers in crime.

Both don't make sense

Lucifyre:
The story of Noah and the "Great Flood" is basically one of the most iconic yet apocryphal tales in judeo - christianity. We all heard the story growing up, but without even considering the implausibilty and feasibility, we may have overlooked the mythological elements similarly found in ancient near eastern cultures. The paralllels with the mythology of these older cultures and religions basically explains the origins of the apocryphal tale and how the it was passed down overtime to newer cultures and religions and adapted for purpose.

**The Epic of Gilgamesh:**
One of the most notable parallels to the story of Noah is found in the Epic of Gilgamesh, an ancient Mesopotamian poem from around 2100 BCE. In this epic, the character Utnapishtim recounts a tale very similar to Noah's. Like Noah, Utnapishtim is warned by a god (in this case, Ea) about an impending flood. He builds a massive ark to save himself, his family, and representatives of the animal kingdom. After the flood subsides, Utnapishtim sends out birds to search for dry land, much like the dove sent by Noah. The gods in the Epic of Gilgamesh decide to flood the earth due to human overpopulation and noise, while in the biblical narrative, God sends the flood to cleanse the Earth of wickedness.

**The Atrahasis Epic:**
Another Mesopotamian text, the Atrahasis Epic, dating back to around 1700 BCE, also features a flood story. In this tale, the gods create humans to serve them, but the noise of humanity becomes too much to bear. The god Enlil decides to send a flood to destroy humanity, but the god Enki warns the protagonist, Atrahasis, to build an ark to survive the food. This flood is caused by the gods' frustration with the noise and overpopulation of humanity, echoing themes found in both the Epic of Gilgamesh and the story of Noah.

**The Ziusudra Myth:**
In Sumerian mythology, the Ziusudra myth tells of a great flood sent by the gods to destroy humanity. Ziusudra, the Sumerian equivalent of Noah, is instructed by the god Enki to build a boat to escape the flood. After the floodwaters recede, Ziusudra offers sacrifices to the gods and is granted immortality. This story predates both the Epic of Gilgamesh and the Atrahasis Epic, iindicating the enduring presence of flood myths in ancient Near Eastern cultures.

Basially, the story of Noah and the "Great Flood" is just one iteration of a widespread mythological motif that transcends neighouring cultural and religious boundaries, nothing more than myth.The implausibility and contradictions in the story itself further enhance this claim. Like the varying accounts of the length of the period of rain in the flood. How all the species alive(considering biodiversity and geographical and climate challenges) fit into a boat of that size when they're in millions and wouldn't even fit in the largest mordern day cruise ship.

For example was it just 2 bears or 2 Brown bears, 2 black bears, 2 polar bears, 2 sloth bears... lets not even talk about more biodiverse species, some of which have gone extinct. Its not just feasible or plausible. Flood myths have been a part of ancient near eastern cultures and the hebrew tale is nothing more than an iteration and adaptation of the tale from older cultures. A myth and nothing more.

Logical but......

Moses was able among other things to trace human race to the first man. After the flood, he detailed how man filled the earth and the human species by generations and placements on earth. The other references have not been able, except you provide evidence.

God bless you Sir. This is a good piece.


I am blessed

AbuTwins:
The context of Isaiah 6 shows no Jesus but Isaiah's commission:

6 Then one of the seraphim flew to me with a live coal in his hand, which he had taken with tongs from the altar. 7 With it he touched my mouth and said, “See, this has touched your lips; your guilt is taken away and your sin atoned for.”

8 Then I heard the voice of the Lord saying, “Whom shall I send? And who will go for us?”

And I said, “Here am I. Send me!”

9 He said, “Go and tell this people:

“‘Be ever hearing, but never understanding;
be ever seeing, but never perceiving.’
10 Make the heart of this people calloused;
make their ears dull
and close their eyes.
Otherwise they might see with their eyes,
hear with their ears,
understand with their hearts,
and turn and be healed.”

11 Then I said, “For how long, Lord?”

All these are mere theories from the Governing Council of Jehovah witnesses in USA. They are usual false foretelling that do not apply!


Those verses were never about Jesus but can be related more to Muhammad !
Jesus died on the cross unlike Moses! Also Moses was not to save people with his blood! Moses married and commanded a nation like Muhammad! They were both involved in many Physical wars! Moses and Muhammad were raised by other than their parents!

It's the same thing! John 3:16 God gave him to be sacrificed! Don't lie grandpa!

Jesus supports murder!

Which knee dey bow? And why are the words in bracket?

COMPARE THIS

Isa.6.4 - And the posts of the door moved at the voice of him that cried, and the house was filled with smoke.
Isa.6.8 - Also I heard the voice of the Lord, saying, Whom shall I send, and who will go for us? Then said I, Here am I; send me.
Isa.6.9 - And he said, Go, and tell this people, Hear ye indeed, but understand not; and see ye indeed, but perceive not.
Isa.6.10 - Make the heart of this people fat, and make their ears heavy, and shut their eyes; lest they see with their eyes, and hear with their ears, and understand with their heart, and convert, and be healed.


AND THIS


John.12.39 - Therefore they could not believe, because that Esaias said again,
John.12.40 - He hath blinded their eyes, and hardened their heart; that they should not see with their eyes, nor understand with their heart, and be converted, and I should heal them.
John.12.41 - These things said Esaias, when he saw his glory, and spake of him.



The portion maximumSide qouted is talking about whom?


Why don't you stay with your Quran?

MaxInDHouse:
Do you believe Isaiah?
How come your religion failed woefully to make peace reign among adherents nah? Isaiah 2:4

This Abu, I think is another Antichristian. He is a Muslim thinking like Mohammed, Ahmed Deedat , Zakir Naik, Shabby Ali etc. He thinks he is a Bible scholar.

Anytime he brings up a topic, he shows abysmal ignorance of the knowledge of the Bible and interpretation.

Quest7777:
...And Govt Town Planning officials were watching & never stopped them?
They need to be more proactive.

Nigerians like cutting corners believing nothing will happen. We are naturally having lawlessness tendencies.