₦airaland Forum

OlujobaSamuel:
abeg, I love your submissions, but pls you don't have to insult anyone because you have differed view.
@op, nice one, I have a very strong feeling that this op is a representative of the government of the day, I hope they will take the submissions here into perspective.
to me, our major problem is laziness and not the system we practice.

No, but I'm working towards being a representative of my people
Never a rep of govt
I'd rather be a militant

I will love to use Lagos as an example, I want to avoid the ss or north due to sentiment attached.
The generated revenue for the first quarter of last year during a period of boom when there election funds flowing here and there, Lagos state generated about 20billion less than what was generated this year during a period of crisis.
In my view, it's about the attitude, we need to change our attitude towards the nation before we talk about system, I want to assume majority of us here are less than 35years of age, so we never experienced the regional system(pls nothing like true or whatever federalism, we are only giving it the definition that soothes our narrative) we once had, what is our perception about people of other tribes or ethnic group, how much do we trust them, how do we see the minority in our domain?


There is no perceptio
I have Ibo brothers
Hausa brothers
South south brothers
Fulani
And sisters too o
So it is politicians using mass psychology against us
It is up to we the learned to reverse this



our system of government is not the one that makes the civil servants in bayelsa to be lazy, nor the one in osun not to go to farm nor the one in zamfara not to send that baby girl to school nor the one in abia not to see anything wrong in giving you a commodity below what you demand.
We just need to appreciate our system first, then we seek for alternate system to perfect the imperfections, but no one is trying to make this system work.

kelechi17:
northerner Fulani alert

forgiveness:
Well, I think you tailored your point to leadership which I think is very important but you neglected the other side necessary for electing good leaders.

[b]
You can't give what you don't have.
Enlightenment don't fall from heaven
It is propagated by the Illuminati esque (leaders)
We can't all be a Galileo or Newton or Einstein or Mandela
But we can benefit from their sacrifice of shared knowledge




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Let me first of all answer and ask questions from what you wrote above.


You said the land is there for cultivation, right?


And solid minerals

Please, tell me I pray you, how many states have 4 millions hectares of land to plant Palm oil?

Does that stop them from utilising the 100 thousand they have.
Or investing in other states that refuse to use theirs in return for lease (Shebi they want easy money)


What about states that do not have Land for industrial agriculture such as Bayelsa, Lagos etc, what should they fall on?

Have you been to the Niger delta.
They have Land
Fishing trawlers with requisite training comes to mind instead of okada and taxi sharing.


How much does it cost to go for Industrial Agriculture?

As little or as much as you can afford.
Ask the white farmers in kwara
As much as I loathe saraki I have to give him props for that move


What is the federal allocation of each state?

Between 40 and 178 billion


How much will remain after paying salaries, spending on capital projects etc?


You start somewhere
Preferably since the 60s
Hectare of Palm oil prolly 200 k
1000 hectares 200 mill won't buy a house in asokoro or Dubai that all governor's commissioners senators reps seem to be able to share to girlfriends

Or do they just forget about paying salaries and other important projects and focus only on farming with the Federal allocation?

See above



With such investment, who protects or secures the investment, I hope you are are aware of the herdsmen, kidnappers(you must have heard about Olufalaye) etc?

Who protects the farm in your village
Do cows eat Palm oil or cocoa


Is it with the Federal government police that got paid by the Federal government money and that has no stake in the investment, whether the investment fails or succeeds, he kwonchin them?

Then sack them or have them transferred to maiduguri
They will sit up sharp sharp
Or give them yearly gift


Who will invest in such hostile conditions?


Mtn is investing
Dstv is investin
Dangote is investin
Ibo boys are investing
Everyone is not a coward


2, About rail, Don't you know what they call economic right, in fact fundermental human rights (freedom of conscience and thought, right to some measure of economic well being and a good standard of living) where you are free to think big and dream bigger?
I am giving you big thinking
You're the one looking for excuses
Not govt


Is it a sin to think big and excersice your right or execute your dream?

It is a sin not to start small
Or to remain small after starting


Don't you think it is a way of improving the standard of living and the economic of a state?

Yes it is but Christine manufacturing have higher multiplier effect


Does the government gives total freedom to build and run a railway system in a state?

No he not there will be confusion
But no state has offered to get a concession for bugs operate and transfer. Or simply buy coaches and locomotives to utilise the existing infrastructure
1 train a day is not it
At least 2 or 4 an hour


Does the other states desires to have such system?

Michael Jordan did not wait for others
Malaysia Singapore Korea are not waiting for you
Awolowo did not either
Why should you wait for others



3, Who built Ikeja, Ilupeju, etc industrial estates in Lagos and Oluyole etc industrial estates in Oyo State?

State govt


Under which system of government where they built?

I think under the late premiers


4, Can the state produce its own light?

Yep


Who frustrated the Lagos State government under the leadership of Tinubu from building one? Why?

Obj


Can generator or whatever Dangote is using to power his private business be commercialised?

Yes
Not easy
Not flexible
But yes



4, whose duty is to build refinery some years ago and why?

The duty of who needs it most
If we ajjtwagt for somebody to do stuff
Nobody will


Can the state build one considering the amount left after paying salaries?

Standing5:
Stop being unnecesarily stubborn. The current federal system clearly breeds laziness. You are simply to proud to admit you got it wrong on this.

adimsmt:
Ignorance is really a disease.

obailala:
Some time in february this year, power generation peaked at its highest ever of 5074mw. After the announcements, some faceless miscreants probably directed by politicians picked up their dynamite and began a bombing spree and here you are, expecting power to be discussed without giving attention to an obvious full frontal sabotage of the system?

Quit deceiving yourself, Nigeria has no security and if any disgruntled miscreant or politician decides that he wants to Bleep Nigeria up, it can easily be done, and that is exactly what is going on presently. Escravos gas pipeline has been bombed more than 3 times within few months, this is the major line taking gas to most power stations.

obailala:
Even Albert Einstein or Thomas Edison can never give Nigeria light under our present circumstances where faceless miscreants bomb gas pipelines going to power stations and idiots applaud them.

bloodyBLOGGER:
they obviously can't.

Some of them are even saying we shouldn't compare ourselves with those countries whose Minister are from unrelated fields cos they are way ahead of us in advancement.

If it were nations lesser than Nigeria I compared, they would have screamed and formed a conclusion that the reason Fashola is yet to deliver is because we followed the footsteps of undeveloped nations by appointing someone from a non-related field as Energy/Power Minister.

These people are pathetic.

NextGovernor:
Those guys you mentioned tried very well. They were almost getting it. I can vividly remember during the time of Nebo, light in my area was about 18hours daily. As at today, we get light 6hrs per 48hours. Some time non at all.

Can u compare now and then? And don't bring the bombing issue in because that's why we have the government to contain all these.

stevecantrell:
Really, anyone from any discipline can serve as power minister. But mind you, these ministers have inherited an already established power infrastructure built hundreds of years ago by their forefathers who were actually scientists and engineers.

Nigerias situation is by no means comparable to these countries where the ministers are only engaged mostly mentainance and policy adjustment..

To build the non existent infrastructure we need atechnical person.

Fashola sadly, has only tried to turn this into a money making venture for his DISCO buddies while forming lawyer/super minister


Dont compare these countries with nigeria pls

greatgod2012:
The reason we think he's not performing due to his qualification/profile is because of his non-performamce since he assumed office. Imagine power supply dropping to zero megawatts about three or four times after assuming office. Had it been he has been performing as expected, nobody will remember that he's a qualified lawyer/SAN.



Those you wrote up there are performing up and even beyond expectations, that's why their citizens do not have problems with whatever their profile/qualification is.

Love Machine:
Frankly,if a man is not specialise in his field of profession,he cannot deliver.

NextGovernor:
You can't compare Nigeria where electricity is the major concern and problem to countries who have solved this problem more than 100 years ago.

Just as anybody can maintain, drive and repair an already built car which was already build by an engineer. Those western countries you mentioned are already been structured so anybody can maintain and regulate those things not Nigeria where things aren't properly fixed yet.

This government isn't doing well in electricity aspect. They are only concern about increasing charges without even providing electricity

bloodyBLOGGER:
Babatunde Raji Fashola SAN, is the minister of power, works and housing in Nigeria. Since his assumption of office, the nation's power generation moved up to 5000 megawatts but suddenly dropped to as low as a 1000 megawatts and has since been fluctuation between that amount and 2000 megawatts. Many critics have called for his head even when they know fully well of the challenges of faced in the sector. Even after applauding the Niger delta militants for blowing up pipelines supplying gas to our stations, these same people still complain when electricity supply drops.

They first stated that they are disappointed that Fashola promised to end power problem in the country under 6 months, a thing the minister has denied and urged then to state where he said such.

Their latest detraction is that Fashola is a lawyer and therefore should not be seen anywhere near where electricity issue is discussed. These same so-called literate think one has to be an electrical engineer before heading an energy ministry. They forget that we've had so many of them for decades without any success. What the sector needs is actually an administrator and not necessarily an engineer.

To prove those detractors wrong, below are profile of Energy/Power ministers in some respected countries abroad. Check to see what they studied in school.






1. Segolene Royal (France)

Minister of Ecology, Sustainable Development and Energy


After secondary school, Marie-Ségolène attended a local university where she graduated 2nd in her class with a degree in Economics. Her eldest sister then suggested she prepare the entrance exam to the elite Institut d'études politiques de Paris popularly called Sciences Po , which she attended on scholarship. There she discovered politics of class and feminism.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ségolène_Royal


2. Piyush Goyal (India)

Minister for power, coal, new and renewable Energy.

He has had a strong academic record - all-India second rank holder Chartered Accountant and second rank holder in Law in Mumbai University.



3. Alexander Novak (Russia)

Minister for Energy


In 1993 he graduated from Norilsk Industrial Institute as a specialist on Economy and Management in Metallurgy.


https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alexander_Novak


4. Joematt Pattersson (South Africa)

Minister of Energy


She holds a Bachelor of Arts degree in English and History from the University of the Western Cape and Higher Diploma in Education from the
University of the Western Cape.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tina_Joemat-Pettersson


5. Amber Rudd (England)

Secretary of state for energy and climate change.


She was educated at Cheltenham Ladies' College , an independent school in Gloucestershire , and from 1979–1981 at Queen's College, London , an independent day school for girls in London, followed by Edinburgh University where she read history.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amber_Rudd


I believe that our power issues will be solved as soon as the problems created by militancy is solved.

to the detractors..
criticise like a literate next time.

luvinhubby:
Talk is cheap.

America is equal opportunity & right to pursue happiness. Abeg, does Nigeria have a promise & what is the Nigerian promise?

zarathustra:
A bit complex.but she sure hit the nail on the head"where is our shared humanity".this surely goes beyond whether she stole or not and questioning our human and humanness knowing fully her health condition. At worse she should have been accorded the common right of assuming her innocent until conviction by the right court. At best we should have granted her a temporal reprieve from prosecution pending when solves her health issues. Not granting her either the best or the worse case scenario but going further to malign her without conviction is enough to question if att all we are humans.

oweniwe:
Why are u quick to abusing people? Did I insult you?

Section 308 of the 1999 Constitution verbatim. The Section provides:

(1) Notwithstanding anything to the contrary in this Constitution, but subject to subsection (2) of this section -

(a) No civil or criminal proceedings shall be instituted or continued against a person to whom this section applies during his period of office;

(b) A person to whom this section applies shall not be arrested or imprisoned during that period either in pursuance of the process of any court or otherwise; and

(c) No process of any court requiring or compelling the appearance of a person to whom this section applies, shall be applied for or issued: Provided that in ascertaining whether any period of limitation has expired for the purposes of any proceedings against a person to whom this section applies, no account shall be taken of his period of office.

(2) The provisions of subsection (1) of this section shall not apply to civil proceedings against a person to whom this section applies in his official capacity or to civil or criminal proceedings in which such a person is only a nominal party.

(3) This section applies to a person holding the office of President or Vice-President, Governor or Deputy Governor; and the reference in this section to "period of office" is a reference to the period during which the person holding such office is required to perform the functions of the office.

I have provided the section for you...

It is you... Your ancestors ... Descendants and entire generation that thunder will fire... Tsunami back to sender...!!..

oweniwe:
Before...



Now... You modified an earlier comment after I had showed you the section


You are very confused...

E be like say sleep dey worry you...

Go to bed my son.

And dont quote me again cos if u do, I will not reply you

oweniwe:
Dangote is not a state... Dangote is private investor... Capitalism...


Agreed

The same states that are broke and cannot pay salaries... You say states should build this and build that... That is .. socialism.. we had nepa, nitel, Nigerian airways, Nigerian rail...
b]
Have they been broke for 60 years?

[/b]
States have their own industries and corporations too...

Where are all of them now? They are moribund because the states cannot manage them
b]
Let them attempt to sell it and you will see labour rise up. Benue refused to sell to dangote so he built his own

[/b]
Dangote... All the industries in Malaysia ... They are privately owned.... They're not run by states... Is it states that built Dangote cement factories? Is it Lagos state government that is building dangote refinary?
b]
Google the Malaysian Palm oil board and stop displaying your laziness to do basic research

[/b]
Why then are u saying states should waste money building industries and infrastructure they cannot optimally manage?
b]
Estates industrial estates
Only govt can afford infrastructure (power mainly)
Just cuz gas turbine and 2jdap bush and beg industries to come. No need for any licence from federal govt.
Or.
They can be concessioned to private managers like... Bi Courtney

[/b]
I hope you studied government in secondary school... Maybe you were science student in SSS and didn't study government.
b]
I'm afraid for my country if ppl like you that read the govt and still can't solve any problem becomes a political leader with this defeatist mentality.o I forgot they already are. O well till we reach there to show you it can be done keep shouting slogans you don't know the meaning of.

[/b]
Are you for socialism or capitalism ...?? Because ... You seem to be jamming the two together

oweniwe:
Though I am pressed to, I don't want to insult you...

IGP (Tafa Balogun) is an employee of the FG.... He was not prosecuted while in office ... He first sacked by obasanjo (no more immunity) before he was arrested and charged to court and convicted... Same with Ibori... Ibori was inly arrested and jailed when he left office.

Immunity clause says you cannot prosecute a serving political Official .. serving... And before court can convict him, he has to leave office first.

Now tell mw who cannot read btw me and you?

The other People you mentioned ... Farouk... Saraki... Even tinubu was charged to the CCT ... Was any of them ever convicted or jailed?

Yes or No?

If your answer in No, don't quote me again

naijaking1:
How many Igbo generals are on the list?
Do you know how long it takes to produce a general?
You are not capable of rational balanced argument without some childish diversion?

ilovetheline:
I thought our lanes cross. Sorry

oweniwe:
Though I am pressed to, I don't want to insult you...

IGP (Tafa Balogun) is an employee of the FG.... He was not prosecuted while in office ... He first sacked by obasanjo (no more immunity) before he was arrested and charged to court and convicted... Same with Ibori... Ibori was inly arrested and jailed when he left office.

Immunity clause says you cannot prosecute a serving political Official .. serving... And before court can convict him, he has to leave office first.

Now tell mw who cannot read btw me and you?

The other People you mentioned ... Farouk... Saraki... Even tinubu was charged to the CCT ... Was any of them ever convicted or jailed?

Yes or No?

If your answer in No, don't quote me again

oweniwe:
Though I am pressed to, I don't want to insult you...

IGP (Tafa Balogun) is an employee of the FG.... He was not prosecuted while in office ... He first sacked by obasanjo (no more immunity) before he was arrested and charged to court and convicted... Same with Ibori... Ibori was inly arrested and jailed when he left office.

Immunity clause says you cannot prosecute a serving political Official .. serving... And before court can convict him, he has to leave office first.

Now tell mw who cannot read btw me and you?

The other People you mentioned ... Farouk... Saraki... Even tinubu was charged to the CCT ... Was any of them ever convicted or jailed?

Yes or No?

If your answer in No, don't quote me again

ilovetheline:
at this point, I have no gist with you. Your problems are not pertaining to me

rheether:
I need to take my time.

linusbnn:
Prof in economies I greet you sir. Na you be economies no vex. I worked with Fidelity bank too.

tee10:
Ever heard of the exclusive list in the 1999 constitution
Power
Railways
Telecommunication
Mining etc are in d exclusives lists all this limits the states

I would have give the sections of d constitution, but hey make that your take home homework!

U are d ignorant one here throwing insults

NB: Stop shouting Fashola's name he is just one of the so many stars we have in SW, some it will be Ambode on ur lips

LudaChriz:
Is either you are a deluded Zombie or you have an extremely poor reasoning skill.

For your info, Fashola "developed" Lagos with the huge Federal allocation the state got plus the superb internal revenue of the state.

Now let me ask you, how many states in Nigeria has this two advantages?

Case study of Osun and Ekiti States

Shewunoshewa:
I have a strong feeling you are a northerner.
No reasonable/sensible/right-thinking southerner is against restructuring/true federalism.

Standing5:
i had no option but to reply your ignorance with my last battery. Laziness didn't breed laziness.
Dependence on easy oil money did.

And what is the definition of not doing something because you're relying on something else


If the people of Osun had to farm n pay tax for the state govt to run, then they will never allow him borrow into their projected earning of 20 years time.

Finally, somebody who gets it


They know that whether the work or remain lazy, their salary will be paid with oil earnings, and the oil earning wouldn't have gone round if not for our current federalism, so stop saying laziness bred laziness. Dependence on oil money did.

antonreal:
if the economy was ok,would there be any need for all this? would the banks wanna lay off workers? I have warned u several times,start using ur head and not anus to think ... haba!!!