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bukatyne: Are you serious at bolded?

You and a girl slee.p together and you decide not to marry her because of that?

tbaba1234: ^ Lol, if you want, we can talk about Abraham convenant but one step at a time. Everything is from your canon bible.

Easy, bro easy.

tbaba1234: ^ Lol, if you want, we can talk about Abraham convenant but one step at a time. Everything is from your canon bible.

Easy, bro easy.

mazaje: Here is the problem. . .Tbaba goes about bringing stories from discredited sources like the gospel of Barnabas that says Jesus was not crucified.

striktlymi: Sentiments rather than scriptures flying around.

Hmmmm...

#Unfollows!

Sissie: I agree with you tbaba they don't know much about their book and history, atleast m.k.o2005 tried to answer, but mintayo please go and educate yourself more properly, not from anti-Islam website.

And please write with some respect, you dont have to agree but write Allah (SWT) and Muhammad (SAW) properly. Am sure your educated, you should know even in English language you spell names starting with a capital letter.

tbaba1234: Lol, lots of ranting but zero facts... Imagine someone even copying from an anti-Islam website.

I was very fair in my assessment of everything, this is what i wrote on the gospel of barnabas:

This is left as the last because it is controversial. There is evidence of a gospel of barnabas in early Christendom but there is no guarantee that what we have today as the gospel of barnabas is the same one. It remains an open question as to whether or not the book that is presently identified as being the Gospel of Barnabas is the same Gospel of Barnabas identified in the Decree of Gelasius. (A) Schneemelcher W: General Introduction. In Hennecke E, Schneemelcher W, Wilson RM (1963). B) Platt RH, Brett JA.)

Mintayo, There are obvious historical records of it, in the Decree of Gelsius, so there was a gospel of barnabas, I gave quite a number of references to attest to it. I guess you should google it, instead of calling me a liar.

I clearly stated that why we have may or may not be the one.

I think that is a balanced view.

All I see here, is lots of ranting with little substance.

Historically, I have shown sufficiently, that the early christians were divided on the issue. If early Christians were so sharply divided on this issue, then it raises a serious problem for the christian today.

Instead , some people are missing the point.

The early christian churches chose those books as their scripture because they were convinced it was the words of God.

They had their reasons, too. They must have been convincing to them.

As regards the Quran, I would encourage you to first read it in translation first, and not visit anti-islam sites for your information.

tbaba1234: Lol, lots of ranting but zero facts... Imagine someone even copying from an anti-Islam website.

I was very fair in my assessment of everything, this is what i wrote on the gospel of barnabas:

This is left as the last because it is controversial. There is evidence of a gospel of barnabas in early Christendom but there is no guarantee that what we have today as the gospel of barnabas is the same one. It remains an open question as to whether or not the book that is presently identified as being the Gospel of Barnabas is the same Gospel of Barnabas identified in the Decree of Gelasius. (A) Schneemelcher W: General Introduction. In Hennecke E, Schneemelcher W, Wilson RM (1963). B) Platt RH, Brett JA.)

Mintayo, There are obvious historical records of it, in the Decree of Gelsius, so there was a gospel of barnabas, I gave quite a number of references to attest to it. I guess you should google it, instead of calling me a liar.

I clearly stated that why we have may or may not be the one.

I think that is a balanced view.

All I see here, is lots of ranting with little substance.

Historically, I have shown sufficiently, that the early christians were divided on the issue. If early Christians were so sharply divided on this issue, then it raises a serious problem for the christian today.

Instead , some people are missing the point.

The early christian churches chose those books as their scripture because they were convinced it was the words of God.

They had their reasons, too. They must have been convincing to them.

As regards the Quran, I would encourage you to first read it in translation first, and not visit anti-islam sites for your information.

tbaba1234: Lol, lots of ranting but zero facts... Imagine someone even copying from an anti-Islam website.

I was very fair in my assessment of everything, this is what i wrote on the gospel of barnabas:

This is left as the last because it is controversial. There is evidence of a gospel of barnabas in early Christendom but there is no guarantee that what we have today as the gospel of barnabas is the same one. It remains an open question as to whether or not the book that is presently identified as being the Gospel of Barnabas is the same Gospel of Barnabas identified in the Decree of Gelasius. (A) Schneemelcher W: General Introduction. In Hennecke E, Schneemelcher W, Wilson RM (1963). B) Platt RH, Brett JA.)

Mintayo, There are obvious historical records of it, in the Decree of Gelsius, so there was a gospel of barnabas, I gave quite a number of references to attest to it. I guess you should google it, instead of calling me a liar.

I clearly stated that why we have may or may not be the one.

I think that is a balanced view.

All I see here, is lots of ranting with little substance.

Historically, I have shown sufficiently, that the early christians were divided on the issue. If early Christians were so sharply divided on this issue, then it raises a serious problem for the christian today.

Instead , some people are missing the point.

The early christian churches chose those books as their scripture because they were convinced it was the words of God.

They had their reasons, too. They must have been convincing to them.

As regards the Quran, I would encourage you to first read it in translation first, and not visit anti-islam sites for your information.

m.k.o200:
THE QURAN COPIED BOTH THE APOCRYPHAL AND MIXED IT UP THE FEW CANONICAL BOOKS !

God help us

tbaba1234: ^ Mr man, It was labeled 'apocryphal' by the orthodox churches when they started to develop their doctrine because it did not agree with their doctrine.

These books WERE used by segments of the early churches.. Please refer to the introduction of apocryphal

You should read more

frosbel: Can I at least get an acknowledgement of receipt on these topics please
Mukina are you there ?

m.k.o2005:
See frosbel,no one is saying the muslim god is same as the Almighty God who created the heavens and the earth who's son is Jesus ! The fact has already been established that the muslim religion/.alah is not same as the God of the Christians but i don't know why dey always want to claim that we serve same God !
The question that was asked was if the Christian God and the muslim god is same ? Christians say NO !
But the muslims keep beating about the bush telling yes/no,but you know,you see and if to say no be this one that one...blablablable !
Abeg i don tire !

God help us

striktlymi: When you become a mod please don't stop being YOU!!! That would be the best 'Thank you' you can give us.

Rexyl: There are many many things to learn and gain from the Bible but ignorance blinded many people and that reason they will always argue unsuccessfully.

Eben 2: My dear friend, you don't know me so don't assume anything about me. I do not turn RCCG camp ground or any place at all into a place I must go to "be blessed". I went to have a special time with the Lord and not Adeboye (to me, Adeboye is a brother in Christ). That was my first time of attending RCCG convention even though i've been a member of the church for a long time. I must tell you I am very happy I went cos I was really blessed with the Word! The messages were Jesus centered. I will not forget any of those messages in a hurry. Listening to Rev. Joe Olaiya message of "Jesus - the Good Shepherd", I learnt sooo much.

Now, you said Jesus never built an auditorium. Yes, He didn't (though He taught in synagogues) because He didn't have to. His work was not to start a church but to die for our sins. The building of the body of Christ (the church spiritual) was/is the work of the Holy Spirit not Jesus'. The souls worn by the apostles had to meet somewhere for fellowship, teachings and prayers. Where else will they do that if not a building? The Bishops and Deacons that were appointed by the disciples, where were they taking care of their members from shades of trees or what? Yes, they had house fellowship centres but they also had church buildings. Heb 10:25 says we should not forsake the assembling of ourselves together as the manner of some is.

I already told you that the convenience of the large population of attendees informed the need to build a new auditorium. Notwithstanding, it seems your real contention is the number of people that go there for fellowship. That should not be a problem to you as a christian, rather you should be happy that many are desiring to know more of God.

You said that all members should have gone all out to preach for that period. First you cannot say that such exercise would be more productive than gathering hundreds of thousands of people at a place for worship. Second, christians are not meant to preach once in a while but always which I believe genuine born-again christians do everyday. Thirdly, there is nothing more refreshing than worshipping God with such crowd of believers; it gives you a glimpse of what heaven is like "after this I beheld and lo a great multitude which no man could number of all nations and kindred and people and tongues stood before the throne and before the Lamb clothed in white robes and palms in their hands and cried with a loud voice saying Salvation to our God which sitteth upon the throne and unto the Lamb"Rev 7:9,10.

Emusan: My thought excertly!

@Op, this is the most confuse question of highest order in religion section be it in Islam for Muslim or here simply because our brethens are in a state of chaotic.

@Lanrexlan did well in his post unlike some people I know only that he still find it hard to come to conclusion either Yes or No!

If @mahdino should answer he will hide this truth of @lanre and claim he believes in Jesus but ignore this statement by Jesus 2 John 1:9 "9 Whosoever transgresseth, and abideth not in the doctrine of Christ, hath not God. He that abideth in the doctrine of Christ, he hath both the Father and the Son." just to claim that Bible support their Master.

If @Udatso should answer, he will clearly confirm and says Yes! But he believes Bible contradict, Jesus didn't die, and also believe Bible is not the word of God, Only to justify the coming of their master.

If @RoyPcain should answer, infact it's another dimension entirely, he will say Yes! Just to claim Bible support the coming of their Master but believes Jesus is a rude Son to His mother, Bible is not complete(he only pick special verse that favour him in the Bible), Jesus is a Son of man.

If @Ayeni02 should answer, infact he is the most confused brethen I ever known on NL, he has created many threads inwhich himself get confused after he has claimed that Jesus prophesied the coming of Muhammad, but later comes to conclusion that Bible is so contradict and it can't be the word of God.

If @maclatunji should answer, many hidden post will appear.

My brethens are so confused to the extent that they don't know the part they should support in the Bible either Old Testament or New Testament.

*They claim Bible contradict
*They claim Bible is not the word of God, it fulls of Narrator's voice but the only part that support their claim is free from narrator's voice.
*They claim Jesus didn't die even when Jesus says He will die but believe Jesus when He said He will send their master.
*They claim all the apostles were wrong to claim Jesus died but believe those apostles were right in their statement of coming of Muhammad......and many more...

All are about confusion!

Those that are very open-minded believe we're not serving the same God. Those who hides under prejudice keep saying we are serving the same God and God can't lie. But the major problem they have is, if God can't lie and we're serving the same God; why do they not believe God when He said: "This is my beloved Son hear Him"?

Anyway we're serving the same God because God still loves everyone who comes to Him through His only begotten Son.
Shalom!

PAPI JAID: Praise God Halelluyah,
Praise God Amen
Praise God Halleluyah
Praise God Amen

udatso: may Allah reward you for your wonderful post...one of my best decisions her is following you in this forum...i have learnt alot from you...i just love your replies on comparative religion. May Allah increase you in knowledge and grant you jannatal firdaus

Chibuebem: i just did. Now you can do ME a favor by reading Acts 2:15-26

lanrexlan: The creator is not author of confusion but peace[1 Corinthians 14:33].You need to ask yourself if it's possible for the creator to possess some absurd attributes giving to Him in the bible.

Give me verses from the bible that prohibit polygamy.Solomon
had a thousand wives and concubines[1 Kings 1:3].Abraham,Jacob and david had more than one wife.

How come satanic Judas will make heaven[Revelations 21:10-21]?



Isaiah 65:12 (RSVA) I will destine you to the sword,and all of you shall bow down to the slaughter; because, when I called, you did not answer,when I spoke,you did not listen, but you did what was evil in my eyes, and chose what I did not delight in

Luke 22:38 And they said,Lord,behold, here are two swords.And he said unto them,It is enough.
What's the purpose of swords?
JIHAD means to strive and struggle.Allah says fight those who fight you but transgress not the limits[Surah Al-Baqarah 2:190].If the enemies want peace,you should also incline to peace[Surah Al-Anfal 8:61].Killing of innocent souls is not JIHAD.

But the biblical god was seen wandering about[1 chronicles 17:5-6] and lives in Zion[Joel 3:17].
The kabba is just the Qiblah(direction of worship) and it's for unity among muslims.To Allah belongs all,east and west[Surah Al-Baqarah 2:142].



Romans 6:16-18 (NIV) -Don't you know that when you offer yourselves to someone to obey him as slaves,you are slaves to the one whom you obey--whether you are slaves to sin,which leads to death,or to obedience,which leads to righteousness? But thanks be to God that,though you used to be slaves to sin,you wholeheartedly obeyed the form of teaching to which you were entrusted.You have been set free from sin and have become slaves to righteousness.


Do you know the history of christianity? The crusaders? Islam ruled Spain for more than 80 years and the crusaders came and killed almost every muslim present that no muslim could give the adhan(Call of prayer) openly.

Just use the touchstone of theology for the god you are worshipping and check if he's the true living god.Allah says in Surah Ikhlas 112:1-4-
Say;He is Allah,one and only.Allah the absolute the eternal.He begets not nor was He begotten and there's nothing comparable to Him.....Peace

senor_ova: That your eyes of understanding might be enlightened. There's only one conclusion here, you'ld believe whatever you choose to believe. The standing difference between christianity and islam is this: islam is a religion, while christianity is a way of life. To that effect, our views and actions are at loggerheads. We do not serve the same God, neither do we live the same way.

lanrexlan:
The biblical god tried to murder Moses[Exodus 4:24],Allah never attempted to kill Moses but was sending His peace on Him[Surah As-Saffat 37:120-122]
The biblical god enforces people to drink alcohol[Jeremiah 25:27-28],Allah forbids alcohol[Surah Al-Maidah 5:90]
The biblical god lives in Zion[Joel 3:17] and used to wander about[1 Chronicles 17:5-6],Allah does not.
The biblical god was seen by many eyes and even dine with children of Israel[Exodus 33:11,Exodus 24:10,Isaiah 6:1,Amos 9:1],Allah is invisible.
The biblical god is a consuming fire[Hebrews 12;29],Allah is not.
The biblical god punishes innocent children for the sins of their fathers and great grand fathers[Deuteronomy 5:9-10],Allah does not.
A man burnt his daughter for the biblical god and he accepted it graciously[Judges 11:34-39],Allah doesn't even eat flesh nor blood[Surah Al-Hajj 22:57]
The biblical god requires idolatry sacrifice from every generation[Exodus 29:38-42],Allah doesn't[Surah Al-Hajj 22:57]
The biblical god is like a yoruba god called Sango because flames were seen coming out of his nostrils and fire out of his mouth[Psalms 18:8]
The biblical god fed man with paper[Ezekiel 3:1-3],Allah does not..
If you need more,let me know.....Peace

tintingz: Do you 'Love' Logicboy and PAGAN9ja??

Seun made the section that way...wetin concern me