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kullechhi: I agree with @frosbel all the way, the Church belongs to Christ and not man.
Even Paul said that follow me as I follow Christ. If Paul deviates from the Teachings of Jesus, then I do not follow him.

texaco1: my bro,if i tell u what happens in many churches nationwide trust me u wont bother going to church anymore.
strange things ,and most of them are created to instill fear in their members.deeperlife own is just about dressing which is even ok .do u know that there is a church in the south west that when entering it u must enter with ur heads bowed?i have seen it before.
the reason is simple,people have problems and they will obey any command from anyone they can physically see ,and who they believe can help them

vedaxcool: ^
but not as funny as the story. of a certain father who became his own son, so as to die for his own brothers. /sons.which he later.did by organizing his own murder /sacrifice, which made the father who is now his own son to accuse h himself as the father of forsaking himself - the father who is his own son. now after sacrificing /murdering. himself the father who iou is his own son now had to disguise himself initially. as a gardner then something. else. in order to hide from the same people he was suppose to save. so as for them not to kill him a second time, sir your religion. sounds too brilliant

maclatunji: Should we create a new thread and see how Christianity changes on almost a daily basis?

frosbel: discipline for disobeying the traditions of MEN ?

They should leave that church and follow JESUS, deeperlife is a CULT.

steph7: eeerm, what is wrong with ben 10, y'all shouldn't tell me its demonic

deSika: Moderator Maclatunji doing wat he knows how to do best.

You have changed the tittle of the thread.
Atleast you tried by not deleting it.

RoyPCain: ;
there are 7 heavens already.

which one is yours?

i know God is One and He is not a man or son of man. Jesus was a man and son of man. Yet you call him God. what is right in this your calling son of man and man God?

if son of man came on earth to mate with fair daughters of man, how can you claim that they are spirits?

I have to remind you that Jesus promised 100 folds of anything a man leaves for his sake, including his wife. there is breaking up of marriage in this statement which i am sure you realize since whatever God join together no son of man or man or angel should break them up. but the 100 wives for 1 wife left is my evidence for what is done on earth will be done in christian heaven, according to this statement of the bible.

so if you have a religion and worship by it, on earth, bible says get ready to continue it in heaven.

and tell us what type of work keeps God busy, after the bible says He rested on the 7th day and He was refreshed? the bible said rested and refreshed so explain what rested and refreshed mean, if you can.

Neither you nor I believe Jesus is the only way to God, except that I recognize the fallacy and you are ignoring it, looking for a cheap salvation.

The fact that God rejected the plea of Jesus about himself is enough evident to not put your trust in him, if the Bible were to have been correct.

The rescuer is Islam where the Quran given to Muhammad [sa] restored the damaged image of Jesus and made it part of Islamic faith to believe that Jesus was not rejected by God but rescued.

i pray that The Guiding Light of God enters your heart. Amin.

andromida: I know of only one God the possessor of heaven and earth so how can there be different heavens? Surely you know God is one and is the creator of all things even satan. It seems you don't know that in heaven we are spirit beings with no religion. There are still other creatures apart from angels in heaven and its not a place where no work is done. Even God does not sleep or slumber what do you think he is doing? if the Almighty is working 24/7 what do you think the sons of God will be doing in heaven?

Condemn Jesus? how? Jesus himself said these- i am the way the truth and life no one cometh unto the father except through me. do you believe this? if you don't then you are condemning Jesus as a liar. Your point is that you say you do not need Salvation through Christ you can do it by yourself since Christ didn't die and the bible is corrupt. I on the other hand simply believe Jesus.

I cannot condemn anyone. I am in no position to judge. If God deems it fit to shine his light and keep producing humans in different languages,religion,countries etc i must be foolish to think i have a deeper understanding than the Almighty. My understanding is limited, i only know what resonates as pure and true in my spirit.

You say Christians created an "arrogant Jesus" why do you call his testimony of himself arrogant? we only state his testimony and believe them as he asked us to. The testimony of Jesus is the Gospel and its not debatable its a take it or leave it thing.It is faith and it defies logic.

ayenny02: you didn't show me anything except you exposed more of your falsehoodYes, enough contradiction see urself here https://www.nairaland.com/1337631/book-god-what-happened
Jesus said abt Mohammad (saw) not holy spirit

shdemidemi: I don't need to prove anything to you, all I am saying is, our guide is the scripture. Any teacher that teaches any other thing asides what Apostle Paul taught which is the good news that Christ died and He resurrected for our sins is a false teacher. Likewise, anyone that says we should pay to get double is a false teacher, any one that practice exorcism is a false teacher, anyone that sees godliness as a medium for earthly riches, the bible says run away from such.

shdemidemi: Have I said Christ said you should not work for money- don't tell me Christ did not mean what He said as well, the scripture says

1 tim 4

11 To make it your ambition and definitely endeavor to live quietly and peacefully, to mind your own affairs, and to work with your hands, as we charged you,
12 So that you may bear yourselves becomingly and be correct and honorable and command the respect of the outside world, being dependent on nobody [self-supporting] and having need of nothing.

Instead of telling this people this simple truth, they make them believe God will drop money mysteriously. Like I said earlier, all Christ is saying is

Col 3
2 And set your minds and keep them set on what is above (the higher things), not on the things that are on the earth.

ayenny02: WHO BE THIS ONE SELF, I BEG PARK WELL AND COMOT FOR ROAD TO ALLOW GOOD PEOPLE ENTER THE GAME

YOU BE LAGOS LOOKER, SO YOU SHOLD WATCH THE MATCH AND REPORT THE SCORES TO YOUR PEOPLE

shdemidemi: You still don't get it, do you? Multitude came when Christ was sharing bread and fish, when its time for the truth, He is always left with His disciples, they will all walk away. Similarly, I put it to you that most of you, if not all are members because you want bread and fish. What can God give me? You were brought in to the fold by the wisdom of men- come to my church you will get a wife, come to my church you will get a job, come to my church you will get a husband, some through their parent- you have all come for a reason, which is far from coming to know the person of God. The day the man speaks the truth in that church is the same day the RCCG will be left with one branch with many empty seats.

The scripture says- the gospel is the power of God unto salvation for anyone who believe. So anyone using the gospel as a way of gathering material gains is a false teacher cos that is not where the power of God is displayed. The bible says any man who suppose that godliness is a means of gain. From such withdraw yourself. I can imagine the picture of a false teacher you have in your head, but a false teacher according to the scripture is any man who does not teach exactly what the scripture says.

About me not preaching the word to multitude, bro, in my own little way, I am. It is far better than teaching error, religion, mosaic law according to the Jewish order, it is also better than putting people under condemnation saying if you don't do this, God will not do this. They go as far as saying, you have a role to play to go to hell or to make heaven, they act like God speaks personally with them aside through the scripture. God is too faithful, He has integrity, He says if you believe Christ died , was buried and He resurrected for your sin whole heatedly, you will be saved. Sounds too easy, yes it does. But, God said it, all you can do is believe it. Let no man put fear into your heart.

You said you have a gift of healing, if you truly have it, go to a very big hospital and heal everyone there, CNN will be there to cover you. Bro, our body respond to biology and our spirit respond to God. Don't be ignorant about these things and don't get me wrong God can heal anyone but not at any man's terms, time or call(that time is far gone). God created time, He cannot be bound by time. He does not need to prove to you and I that He is God anymore, we have to believe and trust Him through faith in this age.

I believe God has a time for bread and fish with carnal believers but the more you come into the faith the more you see less of bread and fish. The devil would ask God, does Job serve you for nothing? God will say take everything from him but spare his soul. There are times where God would put you under the same pressure hence you will find people that come for the wrong reason run faster than they came to God to become ritualist, agnostic , atheist etc.

shdemidemi: You still don't get it, do you? Multitude came when Christ was sharing bread and fish, when its time for the truth, He is always left with His disciples, they will all walk away. Similarly, I put it to you that most of you, if not all are members because you want bread and fish. What can God give me? You were brought in to the fold by the wisdom of men- come to my church you will get a wife, come to my church you will get a job, come to my church you will get a husband, some through their parent- you have all come for a reason, which is far from coming to know the person of God. The day the man speaks the truth in that church is the same day the RCCG will be left with one branch with many empty seats.

The scripture says- the gospel is the power of God unto salvation for anyone who believe. So anyone using the gospel as a way of gathering material gains is a false teacher cos that is not where the power of God is displayed. The bible says any man who suppose that godliness is a means of gain. From such withdraw yourself. I can imagine the picture of a false teacher you have in your head, but a false teacher according to the scripture is any man who does not teach exactly what the scripture says.

About me not preaching the word to multitude, bro, in my own little way, I am. It is far better than teaching error, religion, mosaic law according to the Jewish order, it is also better than putting people under condemnation saying if you don't do this, God will not do this. They go as far as saying, you have a role to play to go to hell or to make heaven, they act like God speaks personally with them aside through the scripture. God is too faithful, He has integrity, He says if you believe Christ died , was buried and He resurrected for your sin whole heatedly, you will be saved. Sounds too easy, yes it does. But, God said it, all you can do is believe it. Let no man put fear into your heart.

You said you have a gift of healing, if you truly have it, go to a very big hospital and heal everyone there, CNN will be there to cover you. Bro, our body respond to biology and our spirit respond to God. Don't be ignorant about these things and don't get me wrong God can heal anyone but not at any man's terms, time or call(that time is far gone). God created time, He cannot be bound by time. He does not need to prove to you and I that He is God anymore, we have to believe and trust Him through faith in this age.

I believe God has a time for bread and fish with carnal believers but the more you come into the faith the more you see less of bread and fish. The devil would ask God, does Job serve you for nothing? God will say take everything from him but spare his soul. There are times where God would put you under the same pressure hence you will find people that come for the wrong reason run faster than they came to God to become ritualist, agnostic , atheist etc.

ayenny02: This man you get problem. I said give me verses where JESUS SAID POLYGAMY IS PROHIBITED in Bible

Let me remind you Jesus said: "Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law (the Old Testament) or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them.  I tell you the truth, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke or a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law (the Old Testament) until everything is accomplished.  (Matthew 5:17-18)"
Let us look at some of the verses from the Old Testament that allow polygamy:
In Exodus 21:10, a man can marry an infinite amount of women without any limits to how many he can marry.
In 2 Samuel 5:13; 1 Chronicles 3:1-9, 14:3, King David had six wives and numerous concubines.
In 1 Kings 11:3, King Solomon had 700 wives and 300 concubines.
In 2 Chronicles 11:21, King Solomon's son Rehoboam had 18 wives and 60 concubines.
In Deuteronomy 21:15 "If a man has two wives, and he loves one but not the other, and both bear him sons...."
There are a lot more verses from the Old Testament that allow polygamy, but I think that the above are sufficient enough to prove my point.

Emusan: must it be wirtten boldly that POLYGAMY is not allow when many verse has been shown to you, what else do you want?

You just want to calim that Bible support polygamy so that Quran is right too practice it.



This verse is a major one that most people misinterpreted in Bible. See @ayenny you can't interpret Bible without having the Holyspirit(pracalete) in you.

Jesus statement here is as clear as pure water. He didn't come to deny their laws or any prophets who gave the laws but to let them know that He came to fulfill them.

Then if I may ask; are you fuifilling law or you obey law? But because the Jews believe that the Old Testament is full of laws that why they refer to it sometime as Mosaic Law (Book) that's why Jesus refers to book as laws but indirectly He was talking about the prophecies inside.



Wxplain above



All this mentioning above is people that marry more than one wife I'm expecting you to quote where Bible says you can marry more than one wife. Not that Bible allow it but they decided to do it in their own ways.
And Jesus says the reason why it was allow to be so in the Old Testament but later says from beginning it was one wife one husband which we must continue.

You can continue to marry wife as many as you want because Quran support it but we christians know that it's one wife and one husband because Bible against it.
Out of it!!!

Pastor Kun: As it occurred to you that the vision and mission statement of rccg which is to spread their franchise all over the world is not the same as the vision and mission which God has for us?

shdemidemi: I will excuse your ignorance. The bible is a progressive revelation that as to be rightly divided. Miracles that you saw Christ do was primarily to prove to the Jews that He was sent by God and He is the son of God. They were signs leading to the gospel, they were not ends in themselves but a means to an end.

The bible says the JEWS seek signs but GENTILES seek wisdom.

What are signs-- when you are travelling by road, you see different [b]signs [/b]leading you to your destination. The church is still dwelling on the signs when the gospel as come.

Most people go to church but the don't know what the good news/gospel is. Some think it is miracle, some healing, some children etc.

The gospel to the church is the death, burial and resurrection of Christ for the propitiation of our sins. He did not die for me to be rich in this world, he did not die for me to have kids etc.

He died to save my soul from condemnation. The duty of every pastor is to be sharing the good news but we have deviated to be seeker sensitive. I say it clearly, Mr Adeboye is a false teacher.

From this gospel/good news of Christ, there are too many doctrines that can be drawn but false teachers teach morals and money doubling and all. The gospel is not good advice, THINK AND STUDY for yourself.

ayenny02: I don't like tortoise and his wife's story, go back and see my comment how polygamy were allowed in bible.
If you don't satisfy, PLS GIVE ME VERES IN BIBLE THAT PROHIBIT POLYGAMY and continue with my thread, I don't want to derail, there are many questions that still unanswered.

shdemidemi: Bro, you speak from REASON without any scriptural backing. A lot of things happened after the era of miracles, the apostle mentioned something like this

14 Though my poor health burdened you, you didn’t look down on me or reject me, but you welcomed me as if I were an angel from God, or as if I were Christ Jesus! 15 Where then is the great attitude that you had? I swear that, if possible, you would have dug out your eyes and given them to me.

He even had eye problems-

another issue of sickness

25 Yet I supposed it necessary to send to you Epaphroditus, my brother, and companion in labour, and fellowsoldier, but your messenger, and he that ministered to my wants.

26 For he longed after you all, and was full of heaviness, because that ye had heard that he had been sick.

27 For indeed he was sick nigh unto death: but God had mercy on him; and not on him only, but on me also, lest I should have sorrow upon sorrow.

28 I sent him therefore the more carefully, that, when ye see him again, ye may rejoice, and that I may be the less sorrowful.


The Great Apostle would have gladly done something about this guy's illness if he could- another one, he told his adopted son, Timothy

23 Drink no longer water, but use a little wine for thy stomach's sake and thine often infirmities.

The apostle escaped through a window when they wanted to kill him as well. Bro, miracles did happen, but they seized, no man has the power to heal any man in this church age. Only God can do anything He wants to do when He wants to.
The only gifts we have in part in church now are knowledge and teaching(prophesy)
Charity never faileth: but whether there be prophecies, they shall fail; whether there be tongues, they shall cease; whether there be knowledge, it shall vanish away.

9 For we know in part, and we prophesy in part.

10 But when that which is perfect is come, then that which is in part shall be done away.


study 1 cor 13 to understand that bit.

ayenny02: There is not a single verse from the New Testament that prohibits polygamy or If you have any verse prohibits polygamy in Bible you can bring it
 
Christians usually mistakenly present the following verses from the Bible to prove that polygamy in the New Testament is not allowed:

Matthew 19:1-12

In the above verses, we see that Jesus was approached with a question about whether or not it is allowed for a man to divorce his wife in Matthew 19:3.  Jesus immediately referred to the Old Testament for the answer in Matthew 19:4. He referred to Adam and Eve, one man and one woman.  The Old Testament does talk about the story of Adam and Eve as one husband and one wife.  

However, the Old Testament which Jesus had referred to in Matthew 19:3 does allow polygamy. 

Also, when a man becomes a one flesh with his wife in Matthew 19:5-6, this doesn't mean that the man can't be one flesh with another woman.  He can be one flesh with his first wife, and one flesh with his second wife, and one flesh with his third wife and so on....   To further prove this point, Go and read Matthew 22:23-32

In Matthew 22:24-28, the Jews referred to Deuteronomy 25:5 from the Old Testament where it states that if a woman's husband dies, and she didn't have any kids from him, then she must marry his brother regardless whether he had a wife or not.  When the Jews brought this situation up to Jesus in Matthew 22:24-28, Jesus for the childless widow to marry her husband's brother .  Instead, Jesus replied to them by saying that we do not marry in heaven, and we will be like angels in heaven (Matthew 22:30). 

So in other words, if Jesus allowed for a widow to marry her former husband's brother even if he were married, then this negates the Christians' claim about the Bible prohibiting polygamy.  A man can be one flesh with more than one woman.  In the case of Matthew 22:24-28, the man can be one flesh with his wife, and one flesh with his deceased brother's wife.  Also keep in mind that Exodus 21:10 allows a man to marry an infinite amount of women, and Deuteronomy 21:15 allows a man to marry more than one wife.

So he was telling parable to slew them.
I don't know your problem I have almost 9 question unanswered instead you to take one question and answer it, you will just jump on someone comment and saying RUBBISH, pls take one from my question and answer it.

Emusan: The guy is a liar.
@Ayenny
Please why are you lying?

You created all these threads:

What Happened In Between:jesus's Crucifixion, Death & Resurrection

On this thread you try to claim that Jesus was not crucified and Jesus didn't talk about His crucifixion. Later you've quote from Bible that Jesus cry on the cross


On this thread also:
Who Is an Anti-christ Btw Islam & Christianity

You make it clear that Christianity is an anti-christ and anyone that denied the teaching of Jesus is an anti-christ.

You state this statement too:


You created this thread also:
Jesus Will Follow Which Religion When Comes Back?

Here you believe that If Jesus comes He will join Islam.
You claim Jesus is the 'Messiah'


If I may ask; What is the meaning of Messiah?

In another thread you claimed that what Jesus said in John 14:2 "In my Father's house are many mansions:........" means Jesus will only come and take His own people to His own mansion why Quran make it clear that Allah send many prophet to this world so they have thier own mansion too.

And the purpose of creating this thread before the topic shifted or rest on Holyspirit is that you make it clear that BIBLE 'contradict Itself' now the same Bible that contradict itself -by Ayenny is the same Bible that strongly support the prophesy of your prophet.

After gone through your threads and posts I decided to end any discusion with you because you contradict yourself and interpret the Bible to support your lies.

You claim you believe in Jesus teaching and that Jesus is the Messiah yet you have proved that Jesus is not the Son of God.

You claim Jesus was not crucified but later believe He is a Messiah, then what make Him a Messiah?

You calim that Paul and Jesus' desciples didn't witness and follow the teaching of Jesus but most Bible quote you've ever quoted are from desciples books because none of those books were written by Jesus.

Just go through your own thread you've ever created and begin to compare and contrast I believe you will ashame of yourself contradtion.

ayenny02: Mr ENGLISH, you have problem Jesus said ANOTHER COMFORTER"
So you want to tell me that there is another GOD somewhere or another another Holy spirit Somewhere, get problem for your head.
So jesus was talking about ANOTHER Holyspirit pls tell me how many Holy spirit do we have in BIBLE I believe in Jesus (as) teaching but we don't believe that Jesus is a son of God, or God or Holyspirit but we believe him as a Prophet of God and bible confirmed it also

alienvirus: Chei! Christianity don suffer. See how Ayenny (a muslim) tears bible apart. It beats me for Ayenny to support every point with biblical verses.
Jazakallahu khairan brother.

deSika: its same you that asked

when you were given points,it same yu that said


why did Muhammad not remind us that Jesus is the way, the truth and the life. no one cometh to the father except by him. if he reminded us of what Jesus said

why did Muhammad not remind us that we were to go into the world to baptize people in the name of the father, son and the holyghost

Why did Muhammad not remind us that Jesus said we should come unto him all that are weary.

why did Muhammad not say we should turn cheek when we are beaten

why did Muhammad condemn people in contrast to Jesus not allowing people to condemn an adulterous woman

why did Muhammad fight wars, when Jesus refused to have a single quarrel


breaking news: your quran seems to suggest that Jesus would come back and Judge MANKIND. if Jesus would come back to judge the whole world, you inclusive why would yu not follow/obey the person that would eventually judge you. someone in whom your eternal destiny depends on. why would you not humble your self and learn from him the right path.

ayenny02: You should have known me already, I am not the kind that they will ask question from him and run away

Let me ask you a question and if you answer me then your question will be answered
WII YOU LEAVE YOUR FALSEHOOD IF YOUR QUESTION IS ANSWERED AND ACCEPT THE TRUTH RELIGION

Emusan: @Ayin

Answer the question that 'Mintayo' asked.

See some attributes of the Holyspirit.

*Because the Bible ALSO says the Holy Spirit can be “quenched” (1 Thessalonians 5:19).

*The Holy Spirit is given in measured amounts (John 3:34, 2 Corinthians 1:22)

*The Holy Spirit can be “poured out” (Acts 2:17, 33),

*people can be baptized (immersed) in it (Matthew 3:11) , drink it (John 7:37-39) , and be filled with it (Acts 2:4;Ephesians 5:18)

Do your Muhammad possess all these attributes?

If you want to claim Islam claim it fully nobody will beat you for that stop hidding under Christian/Bible to claim Islam breeds out from someone you don't believe in His words but believe His prophesy.

iamdsam: And people are suffering, hungry and dying. Them nor fit use the money take help the poor and people wah get problem. What are they acquiring a church camp for To hell with all these pentecostal churches. They don't care for people

Emusan: Just one question for you, did Muslim believe Jesus is the son of GOD? If you can answer it with sincerity I will further my discusion with you. Becaus your reply clearly stated that Jesus was talking about your prophet.

But you read it in the Bible that is after they (desciples) received the Holyspirit the ministry of the gosple increases greatly and Jesus told them they should wait in Jerusalem until they receive the Holyspirit, why is it that after the desciples have died about 400 years later your prophet now came and did muhammad follow the teaching of JESUS Christ? Keep deluding yourself. Because Jesus said the comforter will follow His steps.

tbaba1234: There is nothing like that in the Quran. I do not care about your random video.
I can forgive you for not knowing the Quran but you should at least read your own book.
Deuteronomy
Chapter 13
KJV
6 If thy brother, the son of thy mother, or thy son, or thy daughter, or the wife of thy bosom, or thy friend, which is as thine own soul, entice thee secretly, saying, Let us go and serve other gods, which thou hast not known, thou, nor thy fathers; 7 Namely, of the gods of the people which are round about you, nigh unto thee, or far off from thee, from the one end of the earth even unto the other end of the earth; 8 Thou shalt not consent unto him, nor hearken unto him; neither shall thine eye pity him, neither shalt thou spare, neither shalt thou conceal him: 9 But thou shalt surely kill him; thine hand shall be first upon him to put him to death, and afterwards the hand of all the people. 10 And thou shalt stone him with stones, that he die; because he hath sought to thrust thee away from the LORD thy God, which brought thee out of the land of Egypt, from the house of bondage. 11 And all Israel shall hear, and fear, and shall do no more any such wickedness as this is among you.
12 If thou shalt hear say in one of thy cities, which the LORD thy God hath given thee to dwell there, saying, 13 Certain men, the children of Belial, are gone out from among you, and have withdrawn the inhabitants of their city, saying, Let us go and serve other gods, which ye have not known; 14 Then shalt thou inquire, and make search, and ask diligently; and, behold, if it be truth, and the thing certain, that such abomination is wrought among you; 15 Thou shalt surely smite the inhabitants of that city with the edge of the sword, destroying it utterly, and all that is therein, and the cattle thereof, with the edge of the sword. 16 And thou shalt gather all the spoil of it into the midst of the street thereof, and shalt burn with fire the city, and all the spoil thereof every whit, for the LORD thy God: and it shall be an heap for ever; it shall not be built again. 17 And there shall cleave nought of the cursed thing to thine hand: that the LORD may turn from the fierceness of his anger, and show thee mercy, and have compassion upon thee, and multiply thee, as he hath sworn unto thy fathers; 18 When thou shalt hearken to the voice of the LORD thy God, to keep all his commandments which I command thee this day, to do that which is right in theI eyes of the LORD thy God.
THE PUNISHMENT FOR APOSTACY IN CHRISTIANITY IS DEATH...
Not only that... The one trying to convert you is also put to death...
Not only that.... whole cities are to be destroyed..

RoyPCain: @ckris and cleanvessel:

the story about the adulterous woman, scholars have determined it to be a fabrication. I guess you guys have not gotten the memo? it is as fake as the ability to drink poison, handle deadly snakes which has made many christians in the 'bible belt' of the carolinas spend time in the hospitals.