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shegz1: Are you Blind? Don't you see what he write. Let other religion be permitted in Saudi Arabia too if Islam is truly a religion of peace

frosbel: So which is worse , resurrection to kill or resurrection to everlasting roasting in liquid sulphur ?

Nascimento: one problem I have with pple who claim to be Christian is that they get very annoyed when they can't defend from the bible what they believe and practice. That's why I love jehovah witnesses. They can defend their faith to the last. So my guy, prove to us that hell fire is real. Defend what you believe.

Nascimento: God is not a mystery as some claim. When you ask them about God, they say he's a mystery. If God is a mystery, if we can't understand is way and his promises, then why did he give us the bible? The Bible is not too hard to understand. Start read

frosbel: I understand how emotional church people get about this false doctrine, especially since you have preached it, taught it and believed it for eons.
It's all to do with the mindset, you have been programmed by the institutions of men to accept that God is going to burn sinners forever starting after death , even before the resurrection and judgement, which by the way flies in the face of all logic, because punishment comes after judgement not before.
Let us be objective for a minute, suppose this HELL of yours is false and because of it , millions rejected your gospel and ended up destroyed forever, are you willing to stick with what men tell you instead of revisiting this teaching and performing an independent unbiased study?
Remember, I was once like you, fighting tooth and nail for my idol churches and their false doctrines, until lately when I realised that every man will give account to GOD for himself only and my pastor will not stand for me on the last day. Therefore it is imperative that we make sure we are preaching and teaching the truth.

truthislight: "For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord." (Romans 6:23).
that ^ is the truth taught in the bible, that the wages of sin is death.
But hell fire teaching has changed it to mean that the wages of sin is eternal life with torment, but this is simply supporting the lie that satan told Eve in eden, that she "positively will not die na !
Now, Yahweh is the wicked one that will torment mankind forever and ever abi !
What a deceit !
Meanwhile, see what God told Adam the cause of the problem:
"In the sweat of thy face shalt thou eat bread, till thou return unto the ground; for out of dust was thou taken, for dust thou art, and unto dust shall thou return." (Genesis 3:19).
That ^ is what God told Adam the number one offender that lived for 930yrs.
So, eternal torment is from who ?
God or satan ?
You be the judge.

true2god: U have come again with ur skewed reasoning. Have u seen the word TV in the bible before? I have been watching TV since i was a kid, so reason well.

The topic at hand has norring to do with TV but a sensitive subject Jesus tot over and over again. There is no prophet or teacher that mentioned hell fire as much as Jesus. If u agree with me that Jesus created all things den u wont argue\twist wat Jesus taught extensively on with illustations (the richman and lazarus). Jesus said the richman asked Lazarus to be raised back to life (cos he had died on the earthly realm) so that he can warn his five brothers in the world (still alive) to change\amend their ways so that they wont suffer wat hes seriosly passing thru after ge had died.

It is either u accept wat christ taught or u dnt. The explanation to this verse is simple enof for a primary sch pupil to understand let alone a mature student. If ur organization teach otherwise thats their problem.

Before Frosbel went reprobate he believe all wat Jesus taught. Even if he changes\rebels against the word of christ dat wont change the foundation of the word of God.

huntax: This means God and Christ are two different beings,making the Trinity doctrine completely false. I fear for the Catholics and other Trinity teaching churches then. Thanx brother.

huntax: If we don't go to church,then how do we get the chance to fellowship with other children of God? If two or more gather in His name....
I don't go to church regularly too,but someone told me to try and attend it,so as to be able to fellowship and praise God in numbers. I believe we are the church,but there wouldn't be a gathering if there was no building of some sort. Although most pastors have taken advantage by demanding various offering which weren't stated in the bible (project offerings,covenant offerings and so on..),but I feel we'd still benefit from fellowships.

oddy4real: I am a Youth Corper and would be passing out in October. I however started applying seriously for jobs since around march. I attended 2 job tests which I failed and the 3rd one I wrote, I passed... I was invited for the final interview last week and was then asked to meet the H/R manager to discuss my pay.
I feel as a corper, one should not see the service year as just one to catch fun. One should think ahead about life after passing out parade.

Best of luck bro!

RoyPCain: your argument is mind bugling. i think i will stop responding after this.
however here is your problem; if you wanna stick with the Creator in English, know that all muslims in English speaking countries say God when they mean Allah, in the same way jews will mean Yahweh and the christians will mean Jehovah.
if Abdullah worshiped Allah in preIslam of his son, The Prophet [sa], king Solomon of the jews worshiped God of other people in spite of building the Temple which the christians say Yahweh denied his father David because of adultery and murder. This is according to you and your Bible.
i wonder which is a greater sin; idolatry of Solomon or adultery of his father? I cant figure out your rational.
you dont know anything about faith of the father of Moses, prior to his son bringing guidance to his community. before that they as slaves may have been misguided. the proof is their worship of the golden calf the moment they had a chance to freely worship, in spite of Yahweh's Mercy on them. they might have been better in the sight of Yahweh because they were oppressed by tyranny of the black egptians and they were benefiting from being from the blood of Abraham as a result, pharaoh and his support were destroyed. you need to be better than this if you gonna be one of the leaders of tomorrow. as it is now, this your thinking is it gets as he be.
i am not unmindful of the position of Jesus. but you people never let us forget that his father is Joseph, while Jesus brought guidance to the misguided people of israel ;you formulated 2 different genealogy on him alone. people who make up things of guidance as you people are doing, who could possibly accept anything from you?
Only if you are not aware be the reason you will say that The Kaaba was initially built to house idols or worship any. if the original builder was not an idolater, then guidance was once in Makka prior to Muhammad [sa] reviving it. i would as a muslim will not build a church or synagogue but mosque just like monotheist 'original' builder of the Kaaba will not to have built no building for any idol. his Allah must have been known as the Unseen God before pagan crawled into the lives of the arabs much much later. it is this idolatry that led the arabs to house their idols in Kaaba thinking each shall bring them closer to Allah since it in a known sanctified sanctuary in the same way today that chritians say Jesus brings them to Jehovah. indeed, the christian errs by saying son of Mary is God.

talk2me006: Guy! i can see u did not defend the fact that ur bible contain many por..n Words
As we clearly see, no one knows who wrote the porn-full book of Song of Solomon, and the book of Proverbs.  How can you claim that the books were indeed all revealed by GOD Almighty?  
If the bible are not corrupt. While does It contain hundreds of contradictions and many p..orn verses?
It is glaring that quran Has 114 surah any belief out of that is not from teaching of our noble prophet just like ur jehovah witness doenst subcribe to the point of trinity from your trinity belief..
Is like u need more po.rn verses.enjoy them below
"Let thy fountain be blessed, and rejoice with the wife of thy youth. Let her be as the loving hind and pleasant roe; let her brea..ts satisfy thee at all times, and be thou ravished always with her love. And why wilt thou, my son, be ravished with a strange woman, and embrace the bosom of a stranger?" (Proverbs 5:18,20)

Explanation

Alexis! can this from God?


Read this also....
"But king Solomon loved many strange women together with the daughter of Pharoah, woman of the Moabites, Ammonites, Edomites, Zidonians and Hittites....and he had seven hundred wives, princesses, and three hundred concubines...." (Kings 11:1,3)

Now tell me, will king solomon enter paradise with this?
Your bible is so corrupt that small children are restricted from Some verses in ur book

cleanvessel: Trinity: 1+1+1=1 in God's maths. Lanrexlan, you are also a small trinity as you are made of spirit, soul and body and the 3 = one you. But God is Father, Son, Holy Spirit. Man is created in His image (Trinity). No thanks to the Devil who implanted wrong belief in you.

Islam is not the fastest growing religion. Thousands of muslims convert to Christianity everyday from what we see in churches. Muslims converting to Christianity is no more news in Christiendom. We have many pastors Muhammad, Bello, Abubarka etc. etc.

If you are sure show your stats but what I know is that the little growth in islam is biological and not evangelical. Marrying many wives and bearing many children, most of whom are not properly catered for.

Islam has no message that is capable of converting souls. What do you preach? Oneness of God. Even idol worshipers believe in 'God is One' (Olodumare) and their idol the means of getting to him. So what is special in your message? I don't believe anyone converted to islam on NL. It is a deceit.

Sidon somewhere and listen to real messages, the Christian messages.

RoyPCain: @mintayo: your writing is not segmented enough for this pair of eyes to take all. so i am just gonna take care of the first part and will attend to others when you separate what you pile together in a single long post above. i am not in school, so i refuse any and all stress.


you asked how did Jesus fulfilled the law? he obeyed it and cautioned anyone to not but obey it and must encourage other to obey it because the littlest jot of it must be obeyed and it will remain on the jews and the sect that followed jesus until end of time.


verse 20 of what? mintayo, i am not going to go search the whole nt looking for verse 20. you have to put all the info so that it will be easy for me to get to the right verse 20.



matt 27 verses 50 and 51. is this the last word of Jesus in the Gospel? how about my God, my God why has thou forsaken me? how about in your hand do i commit my spirit? with different 3 endings, which one is the true ending?


if they are killing somebody in an open field, how do they know that the curtain was torn at the other end of town at that time when there was no time keeper to show there is the occurrences of the two at the same time. was there no earth quake recorded in a different gospel and then a darkness in the afternoon in another? i tell you if it truly happened, and the gospel writers were honest people, each of the 4 would have written exactly the 3 major things; tearing of curtain, the earthquake and the darkness in the afternoon, and even the dead that rose and marched into the city and ended up not returning to the graves [i guess they did unless they are still walking about on the street of where the death took place?]
you resolve your problems in the following long segment, immediately above. maybe i will think about it then. maybe i said.
Muhammad came in the Name of God and fulfilled "He will only say what he Hears from God". daz orl.

lanrexlan: Who's forcing you? Die as a trinitarian and you will regret it,your wahala.
My post is just a proverb,not literally.
The fastest growing religion in the world is Islam.
Your own personal truth right?? The truth is that you submit and worship the Creator and not the creation.
Keep dribbling yourself.
Chai,the truth of trinity syndrome right?? 1+1+1=1[confused souls]
Do you remember one of your christian brother accepted islam here on NL?

lanrexlan: If they are talking about an animal that can kill someone,is it that of a snail? Smh

sino: Well, we all do albeit to varying degrees and veracity
What kind of white shorts are being distributed in camp? I couldn't even put on mine cos they were like boxers. And shirts were of poor quality and frail. I don't know when you served perhaps in the eighties cos i don't understand why you are trying to deny the facts.
What is wrong with Camp fire night? A lot, drunkenness which is prohibited in the camp is at its peak, not to talk of the immorality that ensues. I do not deny the fact that some people do carry themselves with good decorum during such nights, but the vices that do occure, overshadows the good and as a wise person, i'll do away with it.
A lot, not only the Muslim ladies, but all the ladies in camp. It tells you that guys would be guys, they talk about what they see and what they can't and they boast and compete to engage in immorality. Does this not give you a hint that such dressing and interactions as seen in camps would increase the tendencies for some silly guys to commit?
I don't understand what you are trying to say, i shared what i experienced.
Well, in order not to sound as if they are imposing their religious view on everyone, the reason for their statement in regards to Muslim women. Fyi we Muslims also organize camping programs, and some camps do include male and female Muslims, there is proper segregation at these camps and during morning drills, females have their own separate place for such.
The major contention here is about the morning exercise and what goes on in it(dressing and others), if it can be reviewed then i'm sure JNI wouldn't be on air calling for separate camps.

NL member: @OP
Islam cannot stand any tiny critisism, talkless of thorough critisism. I have seen different posts on this section by tbaba where he adviced muslims to ignore the people questioning Islam on this section.
Why should any non muslim's question be ignored if every part of Islam is perfect and revealed by god? Shouldn't there be irrefutable proof to back their religion up?
I am one of those tbaba asked muslims to ignore; I have never insulted any muslim here and never insulted Allah/muhammed but he was asking muslims to ignore the questions I ask because 'they are a waste of time'.
The day I saw that comment was the day I realized that many muslims here are not sure of their faith in Islam.
If you ask a question in the christian section, they ALWAYS have an answer and are ALWAYS ready to defend their beliefs even if their defence is not sensible but in this section the case is different, muslims must ignore questions and not get into any type of argument about Islam because 'it is a waste of time'.

talk2me006: Dude!
Muhammad is sent to the whole world..
Read this..
We have not sent you (O Muhammad) but as a universal (Messenger) to men giving them glad tidings and warning them (against sin) but most men understand not." (Quran: 34/28)
I hope u got that right!
It is jesus that was sent to lost sheep of israel

No body is beging u to believe that. Continue dwelling in ur man made religion

sino: How unfortunate that most people on here could not decipher a simple information presented in the OP. The most troubling thing is that most of these people are graduates or undergraduates who would pride themselves of being leaders of tomorrow. SMH!

What the JNI called for is: "The Jama’atu Nasril Islam (JNI) has called on the management of the National Youth Service Corps (NYSC) to stop mixing males and females in the National Youth Service Scheme physical exercise at orientation camps as it violates Islamic tenets and offends the sensibilities of Muslims."

"Abubakar called on the NYSC to respect the decency and chastity of female corps members during physical exercises and other activities at the orientation camps, and provide alternative camps for female Muslim corps members."

I must say that, during the camping exercise, especially the drills, women/ladies are expected to put on shorts and a white t-shirt, some of this drills require some very awkward activities and positioning. How do you expect me to carry a married woman/lady(even if single) or grab her by the waist all in the name of drills

Well, thank God some camps do have a little respect for adherents of faith(both Muslims and Christians), but it would be lofty, if the camps can be separated or the dressing and participation reviewed or better still, make NYSC voluntary and not one of the criteria for jobs in naija.

It is quite pathetic we've lost our shame, we copy the west and decide to lose our own morality. Gone are the days when high moral standards are what our society was known for, now is shamelessness, lewdness and corruption which as plagued both the male and the female of this present generation.

You can call this whatever you want or like, but the truth has been said, if we continue on this path of 'freedom' to behave and do whatever we want, then we should prepare for the consequences which are already evident for all to see.

To those who talk about a separate uni, well, you are expected to dress modestly in a citadel of learning, it's not a brothel, you are there for good purpose and you are not forced to dress in a particular way or participate in a particular activity which negates morality(even though there is room for improvement), so do not compare aples with oranges.

P.S: For those who would want to have a perception of Islam on immorality and shamelessness, please go here:
https://www.nairaland.com/1264719/shamelessness

Roycain: The below verses from the Bible commands the Christians from the lips of Jesus that whoever is following his ministry is under the law that even he himself was required to be guided by the very law.

If anyone shows up on time and didnt perform any of the duties, we shall say he is an imposter. if somebody came in later and performed each of the duties, we can not say he is a fake like the one who came early but unable to do anything. the worst we can say of the late comer is that he is too late because the people we think he should be engaging in the duties are already gone.

RoyPCain: @mintayo: the "Bishop" is ignorant of the Bible. you mintayo have to be jut as ignorant at best.[s]even worse that the Bishop who represented the whole of Christianity of Jamaica.[/s] He nigeria and a man whose religion is Islam had to point him to what the Bible is really saying.

Jesus spoke about himself in parable, I am sure you will theorize. The heir in the story of the vineyard owner have to be the foretelling of the son of God being crucified, you will say. now you are dancing azonto when it is clear to you that Jesus preached JIHAD. even he prepared for Jihad with so much swords. abeg let me hear word.

[s]Is the Bible the Word of God? If God intended to give conflicting report. If God intended the opinion of man be His word. If God intended what man is not even sure of to be His Word. If God intended non follower to lead followers and dominate them. If God is 3 entities; father, son and ghost. If God intended to be killed. If God intended satan to tell Him he is control. If God intended to cease from being God.[/s]

Mintayo. you got the idea by now.

You want the information source of Adam building both Kaaba and a building on the spot King Solomon later built a temple, hence the 40 years? i told you then as i am going to tell you now, when you say by typed words that have tried to research it, but couldnt find anything on it. That will be enough for me. I will copy it from the archive on my computer. I emailed it to myself. So i do not have a mullah. Mullah is persian term. it is not arabic. it is similar to the nigerian or west african alfa.

golpen: I think you need a constructive understanding of the bible. I never meant prayers, I said making a CONTACT WITH GOD. Making a contact with God does not only go for prayers. When you do things as stated by God's rule, when you praise Him, in fact, when you only remember GOD, you are in contact with Him. I'm Islam, there's a way of doing EVERYTHING (sleeping, eating, urinating, etc) and when you go through those ethics, you are maintaining a contact with God. The thing is when one has a valid ablution like that of Jesus and the desciples, one has maintained a contact with God.

How can the heart be right when the body is failing. The two works together. The body gives the picture of the heart. An unclad body definitely paints a condemned heart. That is a weak defence used in pocket evangelism. You can't even bear a person to accompany you for a contract when he's not well dressed and you expect an indecently dressed person to take a walk with God.

I'm not too satisfied with the way you pick some of my words an keep quiet on the remaining. Why don't you react to all or agree some are true?..

golpen: I think you need a constructive understanding of the bible. I never meant prayers, I said making a CONTACT WITH GOD. Making a contact with God does not only go for prayers. When you do things as stated by God's rule, when you praise Him, in fact, when you only remember GOD, you are in contact with Him. I'm Islam, there's a way of doing EVERYTHING (sleeping, eating, urinating, etc) and when you go through those ethics, you are maintaining a contact with God. The thing is when one has a valid ablution like that of Jesus and the desciples, one has maintained a contact with God.

How can the heart be right when the body is failing. The two works together. The body gives the picture of the heart. An unclad body definitely paints a condemned heart. That is a weak defence used in pocket evangelism. You can't even bear a person to accompany you for a contract when he's not well dressed and you expect an indecently dressed person to take a walk with God.

I'm not too satisfied with the way you pick some of my words an keep quiet on the remaining. Why don't you react to all or agree some are true?..

talk2me006: The main problem of Christians youth is that no single of them master and memorize the whole bible. They only stick to what their pastor read to them every sunday.we muslims know bible than them..
On the other sides there are millions of muslims youth who have memorised and master the great quran .

Alexis and co ,i urge you to read the whole of your bible to be convinced that there are many descrepancy in it.
Also ,read quran with open mind to help you to identify those discrepancy in your bible..

talk2me006: @lanrelax
U really did a wonderful job here.
Pls leave desika alone..
Desika will neva admit the truth..
Afterall; islam has proven to us that muhamad is the last prophet. if desika do not believe that ; it should not bother u- that s is own problem .
It is only Allah that show way to unbeliever..