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johnydon22:
Ok you are implying that whatever we do automatically becomes god's will which means their is no fore-knowledge of our actions right?

I (my views and ideas) mean that I bend to your will in a way that both wills are preserved. E.g. If Atiku bends to the will of Buhari, in a way in which Atiku's will of being president in the next four years is preserved.

johnydon22:
Do you really understand what the bolded means?

Yes! It means God's will bends to our will in a way both are preserved, not the other way.

johnydon22:
Let me not ask a question first and see if you even grasp what this means..

In your own words can you tell me what this post you posted above means?

This question has also been answered. ''' What this is saying is that God ordains future events in such a way that our freedom
and the working of secondary causes (e.g., laws of nature) are preserved.
Theologians call this “concurrence.” God’s sovereign will flows concurrently with our
free choices in such a way that our free choices always result in the carrying out of
God’s will (by “free choices” we mean that our choices are not coerced by outside
influences).'''

johnydon22:
Ok he knew, and he cannot be wrong which means adam and eve cannot choose to do another thing instead because if they did anything else then god fore-knowledge was wrong.. So now tell me where is the choice is this scenario?

This question was also answered, even specially. '''' The classic objection to this position is that God’s foreknowledge and foreordination
of the fall damages man’s freedom. In other words, if God created mankind with full
knowledge of the impending fall into sin, how can man be responsible for his sin? The
best answer to this question can be found in the Westminster Confession of Faith
chapter III:
“God, from all eternity, did, by the most wise and holy counsel of his own will, freely,
and unchangeably ordain whatsoever comes to pass; yet so, as thereby neither is God
the author of sin, nor is violence offered to the will of the creatures; nor is the liberty
or contingency of second causes taken away, but rather established” ''''

johnydon22:
Hhmmm you modified it.. alright your answer is YES. ok..

Now i take it to mean God already knew adam and eve will eat the fruit billions of years before creating them right?

That God knew is the main point, the time frame is inconsequential.

johnydon22:
Hhmmm you modified it.. alright your answer is YES. ok..

Now i take it to mean the [size=16]LORD[/size] already knew adam and eve will eat the fruit billions of years before creating them right?

You are going in circles, this question has already been answered in the post.

Very dumb.

Let's wait and see.

johnydon22:
am not asking about the age of the earth... am asking about god being omniscient.. read my post again i said..
[size=20] And you believe god knows everything billions of years before they happen right? [/size]

But what is this you are saying every living being is less that 7000 years Please dont even bring it up, its embarrassing..

I'm a creationist, but I differ on the age of earth, not necessarily up to billions, it can be thousands, but certainly not in the 6 days. As for your question, [size=20]Yes, Johnydon22 [/size]

No

The earth might be billions of years old, no qualms, but every living thing is less than 7000 yrs old.

johnydon22:
very good... And you believe god fore-knows everything billions of years before they even happen right? omni-scient

johnydon22:
But yet the woman can be wrong and the election still will hold... so can god still be wrong when he fore-knows ur actions?

No

johnydon22:
that means that god have fore-knowledge of whatever anybody is going to do right?

E.g. A woman prophesied that America is not going to hold the next elections, if it happens that it comes to pass, has she got anything to do with the whole process?

If you drink bottled water and war breaks out, won't you fight to drink well water? It is called ADAPTATION.

haibe:
are you high? Installing cctv In a hostel where people can be na.ked or want to do private things? Chai see reasoning

You damn wise! How does hostel equal toilet and bathroom?

ifeomaekol:
Not good, what happens when the students are bathing etc? How can adults be treated like kids? That's why when they come out and go for NYSC they become wild animals.

Every man deserves to be free and live freely, but freedom from good is the greatest of all oppression.

AdeniyiA:
Let me summarize by saying Light is called light and appreciated because there's darkness, good health is appreciated because of sickness, positives in general are appreciated because there are negatives.
so who'd appreciate, worship, revere God IF there's no Satan?
In all, two things are always involved, just think of it.

You have made a very good point, like I always say, if you don't fast, you'll never know the worth of food, if you don't get blindfolded, you'll never know the value of sight.

gatiano:
Matthew 23:15
Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites, because you travel around on sea and land to make one proselyte; and when he becomes one, you make him twice as much a son of hell as yourselves.

I can't recall the place exactly in kings, when i do, i'd sure post it.

From the character traits of both the dominant and recessive genes came the characters trait of the recessive genes.

Acts 17:26- and He made from one man every nation of mankind to live on all the face of the earth, having determined their appointed times and the boundaries of their habitation, OR

26 And He hath made of one blood all nations of men to dwell on all the face of the earth, and hath determined the times before appointed, and the bounds of their habitation,

So check the races of this world, who has both the dominant and the recessive genes
and who has only the recessive?
this is not to divide, it is to establish the truth, it is simply knowledge.

Stop trying to lock horns, I used pH scale in my explanation, not genes.
He that loveth not knoweth not God; for God is love. 1 John 4:8 ►

A woman prophet prophesied America won't hold next elections.

johnydon22:
See long post, op take this una copy and paste easy naaa

Am i supposed to read all that.?

oya summarize it to me make we start?

In an action movie, each actor is to do as it is written of him in the script given to him,
he has no freewill in decision making, but God in his most wise counsel allowed
everything that came to pass to be, such that everything went on in a way that matches
His own will. Will repeat the thread on Sunday. I found it on the internet and saw it
makes a lot of sense.

MzNelly:
So na action movie God plan?

This makes a whole lotta sense to you?

In an action movie, each actor is to do as it is written of him in the script given to him, he has no freewill in decision making, but God in his most wise counsel allowed everything that came to pass to be, such that everything went on in a way that matches His own will. Will repeat the thread on Sunday. I found it on the internet and saw it makes a lot of sense.

We wait patiently.

Do you see houseflies, they struggle to enter into your house through your doors and after entering, they try to go out through the door you opened by staying beside it so that when someone opens it, they fly out again. What about the insect, a tiny ant I wanted to kill yesterday, it stood still so that I could think of it as a dirt and leave it alone. If these tiny creatures can have sense of reasoning, why underate a 7 month old baby?

Going places.

Interesting

ifeness:
Yahweh is no God. Yahweh himself was created.

I understand you, but let us hold other issues constant and discuss this vital issue. Do you agree with the points made above?

gatiano:
I do understand what you meant. Both good and evil is present in GOD. GOD had experienced good for trillions upon trillions of years. Yet he knew there was also evil present in Him, He brought the evil out by suppressing the good, this took a period of 44,000 years; After which he was able to bring that recessive trait gene out of Himself, this took 666 years (thus the number of the beast, which is also the number of Man). GOD has both dominant and recessive trait gene.
The recessive trait character is weak and susceptible to doing wickedness and evil without conscience or remorse.
The dominant and recessive trait character has a lot of conscience and he is bent towards doing what is righteous.
However; according to a chapter in the books of kings in the bible it says "when the devil teaches the children of GOD evil, the children of GOD become twice as wicked than the devil himself" i did not quote that word for word.

According to GOD's way, "to know is to be" and "to learn about something is to be that thing".

Do you think it is a magic or miracle to build the universe and everything in it? It took "countless of trillions" of years through supreme wisdom, knowledge , experience, life amongst many which covers all areas of sciences,mathematics and humanities and much more which our mind is yet to conceive.

Could you pls give me the chapter and verse you've just quoted? Your post is quite puzzling, sad as it may. I just need a line of summary so as to reply you appropriately, thanks.

temitemi1:
What's big deal about virginity...

You enjoy the continuous availability, why on earth will you want your supply to get exhausted?

Platnum1:
I have been married for 5 months now.I lost my virginity to my husband but he doesn't blv cos I didn't bleed. I was use to pleasuring myself with my fingers before now,maybe that's why I didnt bleed,I don't knw. D fact that i kept myself for my husband all these yrs and he doesnt even blv me hurts so bad. How do I get over this and not let it hurt me so much?

You use your hand and still call yourself virgin, them tell you say virginity is lost only through Deek? Provided your testimony is true.

gatiano:
Everything is present in GOD. GOD knows everything among which is evil; Of what use is knowing something without experiencing that thing? It's simply no use. So GOD created devils to show Him what evil looks and feels like. GOD can not do evil willingly by himself.

What happens when you have 0% happiness? Let us say happiness can be detected like alkalinity, the lower your alkalinity, the more your acidity, 14 is 100% base, btw 11 and 13 is strong base and 7 is neutral. When your alkalinity reads btw 1 and 3, you have a strong acid and when it reads 0, it is pure acid, pure, 100%. Therefore, if I produce a base, I automatically produce an acid. You can also use it from the stand point of acid or say they are independent, but I think my point is established that you don't necessarily have to create evil, because evil itself is self-existent with good, because evil itself is good in its zero state. God created evil because He created good.

No qualms

Justfollowit:
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