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I'm waiting for you, davien or whatever your name is

psucc:
Bros you are going too far and I wonder if you ask that question in good faith.

God is God and forever will not share His glory with any man.

You didn't even bother reading it, its very interesting.

Pvin:
Repeat this question on Sunday when am in the church mood

How is that a question?

Special invitation to justfollowit

This is a two-part question. The first part is “Did God know Satan would rebel and
Adam and Eve would sin?” The answer lies in what the Bible teaches about God’s
knowledge. We know from Scripture that God is omniscient, which literally means “all-
knowing.” Job 37:16 ; Psalm 139:2-4 , 147:5 ; Proverbs 5:21 ; Isaiah 46:9-10 ; and 1 John
3:19-20 leave no doubt that God’s knowledge is infinite and that He knows everything
that has happened in the past, is happening now, and will happen in the future.
Looking at some of the superlatives in these verses—“perfect in knowledge”; “his
understanding has no limit”; “he knows everything”—it is clear that God’s knowledge
is not merely greater than our own, but it is infinitely greater. He knows all things in
totality. Isaiah 46:10 declares He not only knows everything, but He controls
everything as well. How else could He “make known” to us what would happen in the
future and state unequivocally that His plans will come to pass? So, did God know
that Adam and Eve were going to sin? Did He know Lucifer would rebel against Him
and become Satan? Yes! Absolutely! Were they out of His control at any time?
Absolutely not. If God’s knowledge is not perfect, then there is a deficiency in His
nature. Any deficiency in God’s nature means He cannot be God, for God’s very
essence requires the perfection of all His attributes. Therefore, the answer to the first
question must, by necessity, be “yes.”
Moving on to the second part of the question, “Why did God create Satan and Adam
and Eve knowing ahead of time they were going to sin?” This question is a little
trickier because we are asking a “why” question to which the Bible does not usually
provide comprehensive answers. Despite that, we should be able to come to a limited
understanding if we examine some biblical passages. To begin, we have already seen
that God is omniscient and nothing can happen outside of His knowledge. So, if God
knew that Satan would rebel and fall from heaven and that Adam and Eve would sin,
yet He created them anyway, it must mean that the fall of mankind was part of God’s
sovereign plan from the beginning. No other answer makes sense given what we have
been saying thus far.
Now we must be careful to note that Adam and Eve falling into sin does not mean
that God is the author of sin, nor that he tempted Adam and Eve to sin (James 1:13 ).
The fall serves the purpose of God’s overall plan for creation and mankind. This,
again, must be the case, or else the fall of mankind would never have happened.
If we consider what some theologians call the "meta-narrative" (or overarching story
line) of Scripture, we see that biblical history can be roughly divided into three main
sections: 1) paradise (Genesis 1–2 ); 2) paradise lost (Genesis 3 – Revelation 20);
and 3) paradise regained ( Revelation 21–22 ). By far the largest part of the narrative
is devoted to moving from paradise lost to paradise regained. At the center of this
meta-narrative is the cross. The cross was planned from the very beginning ( Acts
2:23 ). It was foreknown and foreordained that Christ would go to the cross and give
His life as a ransom for many ( Matthew 20:28 )—those chosen by God’s foreknowledge
and predestined to be His people (Ephesians 1:4-5 ).
Reading Scripture very carefully and taking what has been said so far, we are led to
the following conclusions:
1. The rebellion of Satan and the fall of mankind were foreknown and foreordained by
God.
2. Those who would become the people of God, the elect, were foreknown and
foreordained by God.
3. The crucifixion of Christ, as atonement for God’s people, was foreknown and
foreordained by God.
So, we are left with the following questions: Why create mankind with the knowledge
of the fall? Why create mankind knowing that only some would be "saved?" Why send
Jesus knowingly to die for a people that knowingly fell into sin? From man’s
perspective, it does not make sense. If the meta-narrative moves from paradise, to
paradise lost, to paradise regained, why not just go straight to paradise regained and
avoid the whole paradise lost interlude?
The only conclusion we can come to, in view of the above assertions, is that God’s
purpose was to create a world in which His glory could be manifest in all its fullness.
The glory of God is the overarching goal of creation. In fact, it is the overarching goal
of everything He does. The universe was created to display God’s glory (Psalm 19:1 ),
and the wrath of God is revealed against those who fail to glorify God (Romans 1:23 ).
Our sin causes us to fall short of God’s glory ( Romans 3:23 ), and in the new heaven
and new earth, the glory of God is what will provide light (Revelation 21:23 ). The glory
of God is manifest when His attributes are on perfect display, and the story of
redemption is part of that.
The best place to see this in Scripture is Romans 9:19-24 . Wrath and mercy display
the riches of God’s glory, and you cannot get either without the fall of mankind.
Therefore, all of these actions—fall, election, redemption, atonement—serve the
purpose of glorifying God. When man fell into sin, God’s mercy was immediately
displayed in not killing him on the spot. God’s patience and forbearance were also on
display as mankind fell deeper into sin prior to the flood. God’s justice and wrath were
on display as He executed judgment during the flood, and God’s mercy and grace
were demonstrated as He saved Noah and his family. God’s wrath and justice will be
revealed in the future when He deals with Satan once and for all ( Revelation 20:7-10 ).
The ultimate exhibition of God’s glory was at the cross where His wrath, justice, and
mercy met. The righteous judgment of all sin was executed at the cross, and God’s
grace was on display in pouring His wrath for sin on His Son, Jesus, instead of on us.
God’s love and grace are on display in those whom He has saved ( John 3:16 ;
Ephesians 2:8-9 ). In the end, God will be glorified as His chosen people worship Him
for all eternity with the angels, and the wicked will also glorify God as His justice and
righteousness will finally be vindicated by the eternal punishment of all unrepentant
sinners (Philippians 2:11 ). None of this could have come to pass without the rebellion
of Satan and the fall of Adam and Eve.
The classic objection to this position is that God’s foreknowledge and foreordination
of the fall damages man’s freedom. In other words, if God created mankind with full
knowledge of the impending fall into sin, how can man be responsible for his sin? The
best answer to this question can be found in the Westminster Confession of Faith
chapter III:
“God, from all eternity, did, by the most wise and holy counsel of his own will, freely,
and unchangeably ordain whatsoever comes to pass; yet so, as thereby neither is God
the author of sin, nor is violence offered to the will of the creatures; nor is the liberty
or contingency of second causes taken away, but rather established” (WFC, III.1)
What this is saying is that God ordains future events in such a way that our freedom
and the working of secondary causes (e.g., laws of nature) are preserved.
Theologians call this “concurrence.” God’s sovereign will flows concurrently with our
free choices in such a way that our free choices always result in the carrying out of
God’s will (by “free choices” we mean that our choices are not coerced by outside
influences).
To summarize, God knew that Satan would rebel and that Adam and Eve would sin in
the Garden of Eden. With that knowledge, God still created Lucifer and Adam and Eve
because creating them and ordaining the fall was part of His sovereign plan to
manifest His glory in all its fullness. Even though the fall was foreknown and
foreordained, our freedom in making choices is not violated because our free choices
are the means by which God’s will is carried out.
With Ifeness Seun Kay17 Davien Xcapizt Cold e.t.c.

My worst fear steadily coming to pass.

prettyrosiemua:
Beautiful. But I believe today's generation of women are more beautiful.

You know not, neither do you understand that true beauty is the peace in your eyes when you are looked at, not pancake.

Just can't stop crying, this was when women were women, decent and unique. Aye n lo, a n to.

Kinda funny.

What good can come out of Otuoke?

How come I don't know him?

waternogetenemy:
ANOTHER TRIBAL NEWPAPER, SELLING TRIBAL LIES CLEVERLY PACKAGED AND DIRECTED TOWARDS IGBO WOMEN, THEIR TARGET.



YORUBAS WOMEN IS NOT ENOUGH 4 YORUBA MEN.




NOBODY IN NIGERIA KILLS, ABUSE AND BEATS THEIR WIFE MORE THAN YORUBA MEN. YORUBA WOMEN ARE THE MOST ABUSED WOMEN IN NIGERIA TODAY. FACT!




KEEP TELLING URSELF IGBO WILL GIVE U THEIR DAUGHTERS TO U, UNTIL THEY REACH THE DOOR, KNOCK AND ARE CHASED AWAY.



ANIMALS

Your brain is very dull. Eranko Buruku.

Security situation in this country is pathetic.

GMB will continue from where you stop. Bye .

Its actually very funny when a guy makes a sensible point and some people try to twist the question to know if he'll take the same treatment. It sounds dumb to me.

bennyrazz:
there is nothing barbaric about it so far MIL channels her inquiries in a proper way. Not creeping in on her in the bathroom. When the whole Mary Kay, hairdos of most Nigerian girls is off that is when you see their true beauty or mgbekeism but I'm sure mother in-law is after seeing her body. She wants to know if her son have made the right bargain, she wants to know if her son is buying a brand new car/fairly used/Grade A tokunbo car/ over used car. I see no invasion of privacy here cuz MIL is a woman not a man and also an older woman for that matter.

You've said it all, more knowledge to your head. These days, hoes can't be trusted.

Does she see your thing? Do you see her thing? Does she touch your thing? Do you touch her thing? Just asking.

Air travels is still very risky.

Ifa the god of wisdom, what am I to do with this story?

Justfollowit:
I don't understand this your Yoruba o

What dialect is this

aanumama:
It's will soon go Lalasticlala

You damn funny.

Is this also making front page?

China phones are the most useless phones money can buy.

Even without being made president, he has started acting as one. Exhilarating!

The wages of sin is death.

candy:
People who defect at the last minute can't be trusted.

You think they defected because they love PDP? Come off it.

That is massive

Acekidc4:
They will Surely Win Inshallahu!! IJN

I choose the second one. Thanks.

APC HAS TO WIN THIS ELECTION, THEY'VE REALLY SHOWED A LOT OF MATURITY AT THE FACE OF PROVOCATION.