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micbjrex:
Thank you very much.

You are welcome

AleksAndria:
Exactly the same thing I thought - trying to get back at the child severally.
Very good thing he hasn't been constricted before the father got there. Super Brave Father.

Very brave

Presenting a united front for your kids is very important, this cannot be overstated. However way you try to achieve this is up to you, but just make sure you do.

UyaiIncomparabl:
That boy will remain scarred with that memory for life. Such a brave father! That's the kind of man I want. Brave, fearless and courageous to shield me from dangers of the world.

That's one reason I hate Australia. Too many snakes. I don't think killing that snake was the best idea. Snakes will soon go extinct if they're being killed this way. Let's save the snakes.

There was really no other way to save the boy without killing the snake

This is weird. It's not normal for a python to try eating a human, to the extent this one avidly tried to get back at the kid even after his dad had gotten him away from it severally.
Such a weird snake, it would rather eat than make a clean escape.

If this happened in Africa, I would call it voodoo.

Finallydead:
For clarity purposes, I have made some modifications to my last post. Take note. And yes, your accurate knowledge of Doctrine has everything to do with how you are admitted into His presence(2Pet 1:5-11). Also (2Pet 1:2, Eph 4:13-15). If your knowledge is faulty you may miss this millenial reign,I assure you(some would) and even lose available rewards for improper application of the gospel.

The knowledge being referred to is the knowledge of the cross, NOT doctrine - this mistake is exactly why Christianity has become a theatre of denominations and doctrines.

In one of the passages you shared, it is even stated there clearly:
Ephesians 4:14 King James Version (KJV)
14 That we henceforth be no more children, tossed to and fro, and carried about with every wind of doctrine, by the sleight of men, and cunning craftiness, whereby they lie in wait to deceive


Entrance into the kingdom of God is solely on the basis of Faith evidenced in Christ and the Cross (Eph. 2:13-18)

Ihedinobi3:
The Scriptures are very clear that Satan's kingdom is organized, even if not perfect. The cinematic representation of spiritual realities by which not a few people today appear to judge the Scriptures is never reliable.

There is no such thing as Satan casting out Satan. No evil spirit ever expels another, not even if they are stronger in power than them. That would actually defeat the purpose of Satan's kingdom. Possession of a human body can lead to some limitation of the free will (compare Mark 5:15; 9:18, for example) for human beings. Satan is very okay with us. All his kingdom is, in fact. As long as human beings can avoid making a deliberate choice to believe in the Lord, he feels that he is winning. The reason is that we were created to provide a replacement for him and his fellow rebels in the Family of God. If we cannot replace them, then the sentence of destruction passed upon them cannot be carried out.

It is a very romantic idea that people have that Satan runs a kingdom that will come apart under some small stress, but that is not what the Scriptures teach at all. He plays humans off against each other and treats unbelievers and even foolish believers sometimes as allies, but he is not at all interested in human beings for our own good. His comrades are not human beings, they are the angels that chose to join him in his rebellion.

This would take a lot to explain, but then it doesn't seem to me like you want to hear it, and there is no occasion for going that deep into something whose surface is already quite clear, at least enough for anyone who loves the Truth to take the trouble of learning the rest of it from the right source.

I totally understand all this, and I honestly don't know how else to explain myself so you can see it from my perspective.


Okay here is something I came across:

Regarding Luke 11:18, Mark 3:26, and Matthew 12:26, Jesus said that Satan will never work against his own purposes. Jesus spoke these words because the Pharisees had accused Jesus of performing a miracle of casting out a demon using the power of Satan. Jesus explained that it would be illogical to expect Satan to lend his power to anyone for the purpose of increasing the Lord's glory. 
On the other hand, Jesus was NOT declaring that Satan never grants a person the power to send out a demon. On the contrary, Satan is the ruler of the demons, and therefore he can send demons into or out of an unbeliever’s body at will. Satan may grant the power to one of his agents to cast out demons from another of his agents in order to gain attention and loyalty from an audience for his evil agenda. False teachers and false prophets have long demonstrated supernatural power granted by Satan, including the power to control the demonic realm. The enemy uses this deception to win an audience for his claims. 
But as Jesus said, the enemy will never use his power to further the glory or goals of the Lord, which was the point Jesus was making to the Pharisees. Therefore, we cannot say that those who cast out demons must be believers, because sometimes unbelievers cast out demons to further the purposes of Satan.

Ihedinobi3:
With all due respect to your right to choose your attitudes and actions in your life, I am quite disappointed by the above. Your enthusiastic response to ichthys.com heartened me and gave me some hope that you would join the ranks of believers zealously growing in the Truth in order to become able to help others to do the same. In fact, the Truth, the whole realm of biblical Truth is what the Cross opened up to us. In other words, the purpose of the Cross was to open up the whole Truth of the Bible to us, so that we can believe it and help others to believe it, thereby honoring God Who gave the Lord Jesus Christ to die for us, the Lord Jesus Who paid such a hefty price to bring us to salvation, and the Holy Spirit Who empowered that Sacrifice. So, treating spiritual growth as "just education" is a most unfortunate thing to do. Nonetheless, it is your right to do as you choose. It is you yourself who will answer to the Lord for your choices, not I or anyone else, so I do not say these things presuming to be able to make your choices for you.

I think you may have misunderstood what I meant by that comment.

While I continue in my desire to expand my knowledge of the truth, gaining more each day, and educating myself on the scholastic aspect of Christianity and spirituality, still all of this is certainly not the prerequisite for my admittance into the presence of Jehovah, neither is it a requirement for partaking in the glorious Millennial reign of Christ in New Jerusalem - it is for my own benefit as a flawed human being, not for the glorification of God

This is what I mean.

LordReed:
No

Right, thought so.

MuttleyLaff:
solite3, there is no honour among thieves. The kingdom of darkness is a realm full of bullies. If given a chance satan will cast out satan, its in their DNA

It's most def in the DNA of the kingdom of darkness.

Lol @ no honor among thieves. This was good

MuttleyLaff:
¹³Now there were some itinerant Jewish exorcists who tried to invoke the name of the Lord Jesus over those with evil spirits.
They would say, “I bind you by Jesus, whom Paul proclaims.”
¹⁴Seven sons of Sceva, a Jewish chief priest, were doing this.
¹⁵Eventually, one of the evil spirits answered them, “Jesus I know, and I know about Paul, but who are you?”
¹⁶Then the man with the evil spirit jumped on them and overpowered them all. The attack was so violent that they ran out of the house nakẹd and wounded.
- Acts 19:13-16

OK, solite3 and missjo, here I am eating the humble pie and with my hands raised up. Tbh, I've for some unknown reason had the impression that it was them demons that jumped out the man and beat the hell out of those brothers. Technically, I could say it was the demons who indirectly beat the man but I'll be deceiving myself, if I do, so it means, after me revising Acts 19:13-16, I confidently now can say that, non believers cannot cast out demons, but if they try, can upset and annoy the demons to the extent that their actions could backfire and turn into a misadventure like that of the witch of Endor and those seven sons of Sceva, lol.

missjo I accept and agree with your capital NO. You were right. Acts 19:13-16 doesnt say the evil spirits/demons were cast out. They stayed inside the man but violently retaliated, lol.

It ever hurts to admit being in the wrong, ya see?

MuttleyLaff:
It is your question solite3. It originally, is the question asked by the thread heading or title.

I was, when everyone was dilly dallying with the answer, forced to re-echo the thread titled heading, that was asking: Can A Non Believer Cast Out A Devil In The Name Of Jesus? It was only missjo, a female for that matter, that had the balls to put her head on the line to say NO, everyone else were shuffling their feet and not committing themselves to a definite answer, so how I found myself step in, trying to get out from everyone an emphatic YES or NO answer

All along until my revision of Acts 19:13-16 and looking at it with a fresh, critical and careful perspective, I had been under the impression that it was some cast out demons that jumped out to flog the sons of Sceva nakẹd and wounded, when in actual fact it was the possessed man himself that beat the seven brothers silly.

LordReed:
False. From the dawn of complex human societies men have formulated what they considered moral both in legalistic frameworks and informal frameworks way before your mosaic laws were on the scene.

It's bonkers to say babylonians and assyrians had no morality. There is clear evidence these people had complex moral codes eg the Code of Hammurabi written at least 200years before Moses was said to exist. Ur-Nammu law code predates the Code of Hammurabi by 300years and was written by the Sumerians.

The evidence available even says societies formed way before moralistic gods started showing up. https://www.nature.com/articles/s41586-019-1043-4

Do you believe in the biblical version of creation?

Finallydead:
You didn't seem to view my response to your post on Jesus' death for three days. Don't get confused by all these carnal interpretations. Here is a quote from me in another post that might solve your puzzle

I viewed the post and I thought i responded. Apologies!
Most of the time, I'm multi-tasking while making contributions on the forum.

In view of the quote you shared, i particularly love the bit about doing well to avoid falling into the trap of trying to solve the puzzles in the Word of God. Personally, faith in the cross is all I need.

Christ the source, the cross the means - everything else is just education

Ihedinobi3:
First of all, the Lord Jesus only ever speaks the Truth. If He said that Satan cannot cast out Satan without destroying his kingdom, then take that to mean exactly what it says. The Lord never offered hypotheticals.

Regarding Matthew 12:27, the Lord was showing up their hypocrisy. They claimed that their own disciples were casting out demons. If they did, then why were they accusing Him of doing so using Satan's power? Obviously, their disciples had no such power and were doing no such thing. They were not even believers. Only our Lord and those He empowered were doing it. But if they believed that they were, then it was hypocritical of them to accuse the Lord of working for Satan.

Okay

MuttleyLaff:
You are departing from the serious bone of contention here missjo and that is, lets take from your understanding, is it really impossible for a non believer to cast out a devil and/or demons in the name of Jesus, hmm?

NO.

If you have a different answer, please share with some explanations. I'm always willing to understand a perspective not known to me.

solite3:
my taught exactly only that satan do not really cast out satan but only appear to do so so as to sweep the gullible in deception.
Note I dont believe satan can cast out satan, he only appears to do so for he is a master deciever

This is what I mean, which is why I added in the guise it was done in Jesus name

Ihedinobi3:
Sorry, missjo, but where do you see in the Bible that Satan is able to give anyone power to cast out demons?

This is what I read in the Bible:

24 But when the Pharisees heard it, they said, This fellow doth not cast out devils, but by Beelzebub the prince of the devils. 25 And Jesus knew their thoughts, and said unto them, Every kingdom divided against itself is brought to desolation; and every city or house divided against itself shall not stand: 26 And if Satan cast out Satan, he is divided against himself; how shall then his kingdom stand?
(KJV) Matthew 12:24-26

Jesus was making an argument, it doesn't in anyway dispute Lucifer's abilities to deceive. I certainly did not also mean it in such a way that the devil deliberately possesses a person with his demons and then looks for someone to cast them out like a theatrical play.

That said, this is the next verse sir:

Matthew 12:27 New International Version (NIV)
27 And if I drive out demons by Beelzebul, by whom do your people drive them out? So then, they will be your judges.

If the Pharisees who believed not, also had the ability to cast out demons, by whom did they appear to do it sir?
Certainly not within workings of the Holy Spirit, don't you think?

MuttleyLaff:
Both are the working of the our God missjo. God is not a respecter of persons. Please dont go narrow minded on me. On the contrary missjo, what really I am showing you with that simple easy straighforward and direct question missjo, is a resemblance.

Muttley you must not make the divine workings of Calvary akin to the law of gravity - you're treading the line of blasphemy.

Though both are indeed the workings of our father, but yet while a simple word from the mouth of God could bring about gravity in an instant, it took thousands of years after the fall of Adam to bring about the perfect restoration that is cavalry.

budaatum:
And yet, there is one, "not one of them", casting out demons in Christ name. One should wonder how.

solite3:
there are people who do not believe that Jesus died for their sins yet they call Jesus Lord.

Guys you must understand that the ability to cast out demons is not restricted to just the Holy Spirit. Even Lucifer can give the power to cast out demons in the guise that it was done in the name of Jesus Christ.

It is in this same context which the Antichrist will rise up and will be mistaken for the Christ himself because he will possess most if not all the attributes of the God man, he will rule Zion and much of the unbelieving faithless world will be deceived and they will follow after him.
But of course, don't we all know how this will end.

MuttleyLaff:
"²²Many will say to Me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in Your name,
and in Your name drive out demons and perform many miracles?’
²³Then I will tell them plainly, ‘I never knew you; depart from Me, you workers of lawlessness!’"
- Matthew 7:22-23

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OK then, who are the people in Matthew 7:22 above then that did exploits in Jesus' name, like casting out demons etcetera missjo?

Let me ask you a simple easy straighforward and direct question missjo, and that is:
Is it impossible to not comply with workings of the law of gravity when jumping off a skyscraper without much of having a parachute, at the very least strapped on, taking into account, you dont believe in, dont have faith and/or belief in the law of gravity, erhn?

Are you contrasting the workings of the cross with the workings of the law of gravity?

Really Muttley?

The general misconception is that morality is somehow antithetical to religious doctrine, or in your parlance, "following divine commands".

It only becomes clearer to the willing non-skeptical mind when he/she begins to understand that most all of the 'unlegislated' laws we live by today, are derivatives of the biblical moral laws which in itself is also a subset of the mosaic law from so-called myths & stories.

Morality, or in your parlance, "the deep appreciation for suffering", did not just invent itself out of thin air when you consider that the heathen nations (without moral laws) surrounding the people of Israel (who were asked to abide by the mosaic & moral laws), were all indulged in the vilest forms of vices - from rape, to incest, to sacrificing children to their gods, to mention but a few.

These nations had no "appreciation for suffering" because surely they did not believe in or follow divine commands.
Even the Babylonians and Assyrians, some of the most advanced civilizations of the earth at a point, had no morality.

There is no separating morality from holy doctrine.
Everything we consider wrong and evil today because they are unlawful all have their roots in the "divine commands".

Being a believer means you have accepted that Jesus is the son of God, that he died on Calvary, and that he is risen. It also means that your faith is hinged on the power of the cross and what Christ did on it.
This belief and faith is what gives the Holy Spirit latitude to work in our lives. In other words, the Holy Ghost (by whose power demons are cast out) only works within the parameters of your belief and faith in Christ.

Thus to answer your question, it is IMPOSSIBLE for a non-believer to cast out demons in the name of a Jesus Christ whom he/she neither believes nor has faith in.

healthserve:
Not necessarily ma

Please explain

Ihedinobi3:
There are speculations possible about this, but none of them is particularly fruitful. For example, if the Lord rose that long before Mary Magdalene saw Him, what was He doing if He did not ascend to the Father? He had promised His disciples that when He rose, He would come to see them in Galilee (Mark 14:28). Why then would He rise from the Dead on Saturday only to wait until Sunday to go to Galilee or to tell someone to tell the disciples that He really was going to wait for them in Galilee?

These are speculative questions, but they are not necessary. The reason they are not is in the rest of my post. The Lord had told them that He would rise on the third Day, so when they got the report from the women on Sunday that He had risen from the dead, it only made sense to them that it was the same Sunday that He rose. So, they named it for Him. Many early believers assembled on Sunday rather than the Sabbath for this reason.

So, you actually need to take my whole post together to appreciate this.

Fair assessment.
I would rather everyone understood it like this and not just stand on authority that it was a Sunday resurrection.

MuttleyLaff:
Is the pope catholic? Of course Jesus has left before then.

Gbam!

Double doubled gbam!, lol
Thank you. You have no idea, and I think I even might the only one who knows, that, my respect for you has gone up a notch since these comments.

Interesting

Thank you.

Praivit0:
You really did your research and studied about this properly, however Jesus didn't die between 12&3pm, rather He died a little after 3 o'clock and yes He was in the grave for complete 3 days and 3 nights as He stated. He was put in the grave after 6 o'clock or at night or midnight, cos they couldn't leave Him hanging all night, He arose very early Sunday morning

Unfortunately you didn't get the likes and shares your comment deserves.
It is ignorance and falsehood of the catholic church that has made people believe He died on Friday and rose on Sunday.

Thanks

TVSA:
Mark 16:9 KJV
Now when Jesus was risen early the first day of the week, he appeared first to Mary Magdalene, out of whom he had cast seven devils.

Is the first day Saturday or Mark was mistaken?

Praivit0:
I agree perfectly that Jesus died on Wednesday after 3pm and I know He was put in the grave very late, but I can't ascertain the time, cos the scripture didn't say.

However I don't agree that He rose on Saturday evening, cos all the scriptures talk about the first day of the week. Matthew even went further to buttress his point that it was at dawn.
Matthew 28: 1  In the end of the sabbath, as it began to dawn toward the first day of the week, came Mary Magdalene and the other Mary to see the sepulchre.

 2  And, behold, there was a great earthquake: for the angel of the Lord descended from heaven, and came and rolled back the stone from the door, and sat upon it.


If it was at dawn as spoken by Matthew then it can't be Saturday evening. Dawn is between 4-7am depending on the environment.

Guys, dawn of Sunday morning is when the tomb was found empty by the Marys.
Every other instance of resurrection you guys are making is pure conjecture because NO ONE actually saw the hour it happened, much less Mark.

The assumption by the early church is that Jesus rose very early Sunday morning because they didn't want to defile the idea of a holy Jewish Sabbath.

But we all good here, are we not?

MuttleyLaff:
She's confused about when it happened and dont seem to understand the Jewish style of counting day and night. She's got her wires crossed, that's all, lol. Sorry my mehn.

Dont mind our missjo, she soon will return here, to say that she no longer holds that opinion and/or belief, especially since it's outrightly heretical, lol

Lmao.. I still hold on to the Saturday resurrection count.

But like Ihedinobi pointed out, this is not one of those things we should dwell on. At the end of all things, our saviour resurrected and that's what matters

Ihedinobi3:
Refer to my first response to you. I did say that we don't have the exact moment of the Lord's Resurrection recorded in the Bible, but the Scriptures call Sunday the Lord's Day. That only makes sense if it was the Day He rose from the dead.

Don't you think it made sense because very early Sunday morning before dawn was the day the resurrection was confirmed (not witnessed), which in fact was actually the earliest they could have confirmed it especially because the previous day was a Sabbath and they did not want to risk going close to a dead body against the mosaic law?

Just seeking perspective..

TVSA:
so Jesus has left before then?

There really is no proof to the contrary.

The angelic appearance & the supernatural means by which the stone was rolled away had no bearing to the act of reawakening itself. Jesus did not need the stone out of the way to walk out.
That miracle was to grant the believers access into the tomb, not to grant the risen Jesus access out of it.

MuttleyLaff:
I am glad you are reasonable and see sense, lol

Jesus did what Jesus promised and said He would do. He raised up from the grave after 3 days and 3 nights. You're trying to find and/or know how long a piece of string is. The man, rose after 3 days and 3 days, He delivered on His word and/or promise. Stop being pedantic and trying to split hair ojaare, lol

Lol