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 Education / Re: UK Education Scam by MIZIEYA: 6:04pm On Oct 06, 2006 |
Paganism is unafrican? <coughs> no it is not<coughs> The bible in one hand and the gun in the other- before the bible existed remember what was there before it. I'm all for helping anyone or giving positive reinforcement, after a fashion |
| Religion / Being A Christian Is: by MIZIEYA: 5:59pm On Oct 06, 2006 |
[b]Being a christian is someone who does the opposite of what they preach Being a christian is someone who is godly on sundays and worldly the rest of the time Being a christian is someone who says 'god loves you' whilst devising ways to putting down the object of their desire. Being a christian means professing peace whilst supporting war Being a christian means keeping secret your sins in the hope that your own god doesn't see them whilst professing to every man that you're a christian saved but forgiven. Being a christian means taking the Hypocritic Oath. Being a christian means that upon conversion to the belief system the brain is left behind. Being a christian means living by faith including the faith in 419 scams and other godly blessed pursuits. Being a christian means when in doubt blame god for every thing bad that happens to you whilst studiously ignoring the parts in the bible that states praise god for everything including the good and the bad. Being a christian means not reading the bible but relying on hearsay as a gospel truth. Being a christian means re writing the bible so that it justifies the christian stance on abortion and other worldly issues. including propogating myths that the judeo christian god is the only god. Being a christian means being inadequate and being worldly as opposed to being godly and spiritual. Being a christian means killing the wisdom of solomon and being an exhibitionist like david. Being a christian means that because jesus is not at the helm the myth of the holy spirit is given free reign allowing the christian to claim that every follower of jesus understands things at different growth rates, in other words there are truly some dumb christians at large. Being a christian means believing every doctrine as long as it mentions jesus or christianity or god. There is no discernment. Being a christian means: Division. Disunity. Whilst proclaiming we are all brothers and sisters in unity. Being a christian means following Pauline thought and ignoring jesus except when recruiting for new converts. Being a christian means being an idolater: worshipping the creation (the bible) as god itself. The list is not inexhaustive.[/b] |
| Education / Re: UK Education Scam by MIZIEYA: 5:28pm On Oct 06, 2006 |
[b]lol utter nonesense. Clearly your godling didn't help you or half these guys complaining about not gettting a visa. Do you think everyone else in the world gets what they want except you people with your angst? One of the reasons why Blacks generally don't get good press is because they keep playing the victim card: fortunately for me I don't believe in playing the victim. And I don't tolerate it in others. Zillions of people have been refused visas, jobs and so on- zillions of people have been accepted for visas and jobs and so on- and you people have the nerve to moan one country out of how many in the world? lol You are basically saying that you expect everyone to be given a free pass. There is nothing not one thing to suggest that the British High Commission is scamming men and women applying for a visa: I have actually checked it out both online and offline- I even chatted up my Welsh Assembly Member of Parliament and cross referenced her with my constiuencys politician. Are you implying that only the British High Commission refuses visa? What about America? Australia? China? Japan? Korea? etc etc. Get a grip. I have a solution: don't apply to any country and work on your own country's rescources ie, equip and PAY your own teachers. Make your own Universities have a good reputation and once you have achieved that- reject reject every british and foreign student who wishes to study in your country. I would refuse anyone who didn't meet the requirements for a visa regardless for what it was. Stop complaining and take positive action: sort your own house out. Regarding a genocide war: I'd be the Leader and Win.[/b] |
| Religion / Re: Gay Churches by MIZIEYA: 5:14pm On Oct 06, 2006 |
[b]You have problems reading a short post, why am I not surprised? However it does explain why there are no real clergy in Nigeria- they are all too lazy to get qualified and go online begging for money for their imagined churches. It also explains why people like you aren't qualified in anything except being a vessel to be raped by your father or be a birthing machine I have a wealth of material at my disposal specifically for any subject that involves christians or visas or scam artists. You may note I am in my element. I can tell that Christians are only godly and strong when fending off a muslim with a machete: perhaps its time that christians took the bible out of the realms of fantasy and the love doctrine and start doing what the muslims are unafraid of doing: namely killing anyone who is not of their belief system. Leviticus is quite helpful here - it gives the reader the justification to kill kill kill in the name of god of course - in order to bring the heathen to gods 'loving' embrace. Ponders how many of our ancestors died in the name of Allah or god when the melanin challenged stepped foot in africa. I urge every christian to be a Terrorist For Jesus so that the heathen can meet the christian maker before their time.[/b] |
| Religion / Re: Gay Churches by MIZIEYA: 4:43pm On Oct 06, 2006 |
[b] Your god doesn't exist. And clearly neither does your mind. THE BIBLE and the HOMOSEXUAL © 1992 by Dean Worbois * The Bible does not speak of gays. Nor does it speak of the earth orbiting the sun. Sexual identity was not a concept of biblical times. It speaks of homosexual acts only when they are part of sacred prostitution, idolatry, promiscuity, seducing children, rape, or violating hospitality. It condemns all such acts, whether heterosexual, homosexual, or having nothing to do with sex. Of the thousands and hundreds of words, pages, stories, laws, and commandments in the Bible, very few deal with homosexual acts. A little study of history reveals these references are fewer than we have come to believe. - The Sodom Story - Probably no story in the Bible has been used more to persecute homosexuals than the story of Sodom. By the Middle Ages, Thomas Aquinas had come to see all disasters of any kind as God's wrath at homosexual sin. Earthquakes, volcanic eruptions, collapsing buildings, runaway horses, women falling into ditches - all these and more were understood to be expressions of God's displeasure at "the wickedness of Sodom." Yet in Old Testament times we never find references to the destruction of Sodom being equated with homosexual acts. For these references we must look to the last centuries before Christ. In the two centuries before Christ, the Hebrews became better acquainted with the Hellenistic world as they traveled, traded, and settled in Asia Minor, Greece and Rome. Heterosexual and homosexual acts were traditional expressions of fertility worship in the Hellenistic world. Having been raised under the Holiness Laws, the Hebrews found these practices offensive. Among the Hebrew's reaction to these worship practices we find the first texts equating homosexual acts with Sodom. There are also references to the iniquity of sexual acts between Hebrews and Gentiles ("your union shall be like unto Sodom and Gomorrah" [footnote 1]) and between angels and humans. The references to homosexual acts usually were concerned with the practice of sex with youths, which was popular in Greece as an expression of appreciating beauty. By 50 AD we find the first time the sin of Sodom is associated with homosexual acts in general. In the Quaest. et Salut. in Genesis IV.31-37, Philo interpreted the Genesis word yãdhà as "servile, lawless and unseemly pederasty." Around 96 AD, Josephus first used the term sodomy to mean homosexual acts. From Antiquities: "They hated strangers, and abused themselves with Sodomitical practices." Since Old Testament times did not equate the Sodom story with homosexual acts, what was the crime of Sodom - a crime worth the destruction of five thriving, wealthy cities on the fertile plains? The crime was pride. And it was inhospitality. We have to remember the Hebrews were a nomad people in a dry, hostile environment. Weather and suspicious neighbors made hospitality a matter of survival. Being welcomed in a stranger's home or tent could mean the difference between life and death. Throughout the Old Testament, Sodom is held up as a lesson in wickedness that deserves utter destruction for reasons other than homosexual acts. Examples: Ezekiel 16:49 - 50, "Behold, this was the iniquity of thy sister Sodom, pride, fulness of bread, and abundance of idleness was in her and in her daughters, neither did she strengthen the hand of the poor and needy. And they were haughty, and committed abomination before me: therefore I took them away as I saw good." Isaiah tells of lack of justice. Jeremiah emphasizes moral and ethical laxity. The Deuterocanonical books identify the sin as pride and inhospitality; in Wisdom 19:13-14, we read ", whereas the men of Sodom received not the strangers when they came among them." In Ecclesiasticus 16:8 the sin is recognized as pride: "He did not spare the people among whom Lot was living, whom he detested for their pride." In the New Testament, too, there is reference to Sodom and inhospitality: In Luke 10:10-13, Christ talks about cities that are inhospitable to his disciples. He warns: ", it shall be more tolerable in that day for Sodom, than for that city." It's not until the very late books of 2 Peter (2:4) and Jude (6), that sex is considered a sin of Sodom. These books were written several generations after the deaths of the apostles and were talking about the transgression of the natural order of life when angelic and human beings have heterosexual relations - a major concern to the popular Stoic philosophy of the time. Not only are there no references to homosexual acts when Scripture refers to Sodom, there are no references to Sodom when the Scriptures refer to homosexuality. There are several biblical passages we've come to understand as condemning homosexual acts. Not one of these gives Sodom as an example of the result of homosexual behavior. Considering how often Sodom was used as an example of the result of wicked behavior, it's apparent that biblical times did not see homosexual acts as the important lesson of the destruction of Sodom. How did the lesson of Sodom become so identified with homosexual acts that the very word for one of those acts became Sodomy? The answer is in the Hebrew word: yãdhà. Yãdhà has two meanings: "to know" and "engage in coitus." Of 943 times yãdhà is used in the Old Testament, only ten times is it used to mean sexual intercourse, and all of these are heterosexual coitus. The Old Testament uses the word shãkhabh to mean homosexual acts and bestiality. Lot was a resident alien in Sodom. When Lot invited strangers into his home, the townspeople approached Lot and demanded "Bring them out unto us, that we may know them (yãdhà)." Judging from the biblical references we've just discussed, it seems the townspeople were asking to get to know the credentials and intentions of strangers in their city. The absolute sacredness of a guest was a principle well known to Lot. Lot also understood the way crowds give in to hostile acts against outsiders (see Judges 19:1- 21:25 for a similar tale of hostility to strangers.) So he protected his guests and refused to hand them over to the crowd. When the crowd insisted, he offered his two daughters as the most expedient diversion for a hostile situation [footnote 2]. For 2,000 years, until the last century before Christ, Israel understood the lesson of Sodom to be one of pride and hospitality. - The Holiness Code and the Legal Code - The Yahwist and Priestly authors tell of Moses giving the Holiness Code in Leviticus. They further credit the Legal Code in Deuteronomy to Moses, although these texts were found centuries later. Scholars generally agree that crediting Moses with delivering the laws of Deuteronomy was an attempt to make the Legal Code legitimate. As the Hebrews settled Canaan, their leaders worked to keep the identity of Israel separate from that of the Canaanites. A principle way to do that was to emphasize the Canaanites' practice of idolatry. The Yahwist and Priestly authors of Genesis, Leviticus and Deuteronomy equated sacred prostitution (an important part of Canaan's worship of fertility [footnote 3]) with idolatry. Prostitution - and any sex act not contributing to procreation - came to be equated with idolatry. When the Old Testament mentions homosexual acts it is usually in the context of male worshipers using male prostitutes in temples. In Deuteronomy 23:17 we find the main concern of the Hebrews toward homosexual acts: "None of the Israelite women shall become a temple-prostitute, nor shall any of the Israelite men become a temple-prostitute. You shall never bring the gains of a harlot or the earnings of a male prostitute as a votive offering to the temple of the Lord your God; for both are abominable to the Lord your God." In Leviticus 18:22, 20:13 the Holiness Code establishes the association of homosexual acts and idolatry. It specifically bans practicing the Canaanites' worship customs. The concern with idolatry was not the only cultural or historical consideration of the Hebrews when dealing with homosexuality: 1) According to Genesis, God chose the Hebrews as his children. Eternal life with God was something God's people did, not something each person did themselves. To be a part of God's eternal covenant required marriage and bearing children. To be sterile, or to not bear children for any reason, was one of the greatest curses a Hebrew male could suffer. It cut him off from the covenant of God. 2) The Hebrews were a small tribe surrounded by big and powerful neighbors. There was a desperate need to be sure every seed became a member of the tribe. To "cast your seed on fallow ground" was a serious crime, whether that casting be outside of the tribe or in nonreproductive sexual acts. 3) The concept of the absolute dignity of the male was central to Hebrew values. In nomad societies, where life is hard and the tribe must always move with the needs of the herds, the male is always revered for his aggressiveness and dominance. These qualities are needed for protection and survival. The gods of these societies are always male, while agricultural, settled societies often have female as well as male gods. Also, the Hebrews understood procreation as being purely the doing of the male. The visible semen was the entire baby - the fertile seed. Females were understood only as incubators for this seed [footnote 4]. The absolute dignity of the male was revered by the Hebrews, even to the extent that virgin daughters were offered when that dignity might be threatened. The homosexual act of anal intercourse was an affront to this dignity, undermining the Hebrews' patriarchal society. 4) In biblical times, anal intercourse was used as an act of contempt, domination, and scorn. The Egyptians used sodomy on their beaten enemy to demonstrate domination. There were stories of Egyptian gods using sodomy to demonstrate that they had the right to the inheritance of other male gods [footnote 5]. Homosexual acts outside the temple were seen only as violations of the sacredness of the guest: acts of violence and inhospitality to others. - The Letters of Paul - The New Testament has three main references to homosexual acts. These references are not found in the disciples' accounts of Christ's teachings. Rather they are found in the letters of an early convert. Paul sent these letters to early Christian communities: the Romans, the Corinthians, and to Timothy. Paul's philosophy, his reaction to foreign culture, and his understanding of Jewish history all influenced these letters. The disciples were mostly simple fishermen. But Paul was highly educated, especially in philosophy. Stoicism was a popular philosophy in the first century AD and Paul was one of its avid teachers. "Reason" was the soul of the Stoic world. God was seen as logos (reason) spread through the heavens. Nature was not instinct, but reason expressed in biology. To "live according to nature" (meaning reason) was to become united with the divine. Whatever distracted from living the reasonable life was evil: the passions of pleasure, pity, sorrow, desire, and love were irrational and, therefore, unnatural. Affectionate and sexual relationships were "unnatural" because they bred passions. Some results of Christian Stoicism were: Monks separated themselves from society to achieve the ideal state of emotional indifference. The male became the soul (natural reason) of heterosexual relationships while the female became the body (unnatural passion). The Eve story became symbolic of temptation and lust. Females were seen as mutilated males, this "accident" often caused by warm winds blowing at the time of planting the seed. Christian philosophers declared that Christians entered marriage only for the reason of having children. St. Augustine came to identify any sexual pleasure or attraction as sinful passion, saying the "normal exercise of the will" would have the husband lie calmly on his wife and procreation would occur without disturbing the hymen; the semen would enter through it the same way menstrual blood flows from a virgin [footnote 6]. This is the same Stoicism Paul was teaching when he wrote letters to early Christian communities. Culturally, Paul was raised a conservative Jew in Palestine. The society he had been raised in was shaped by the Holiness Laws and he did not understand much of the worship of the Hellenists. When he traveled to Asia Minor, Greece and Rome as a Christian, he reacted to the foreign cultures with shock and contempt. Paul's understanding of Jewish history was shaped by the teachings of Hebrews who themselves were reacting to Hellenistic society. As we've seen when considering the Sodom story, about 300 years before Paul's letters the Hebrews were giving new meaning to traditional stories. Paul took these new meanings as tradition. Paul's letters consider homosexual acts to be the result of idolatry, reasoning that only when abandoning the true god for idol worship could a person abandon what Paul considered sexual "nature." His main concern was idolatry, not the sexual acts. Considering Paul's Stoic philosophy, his shock at Gentile worship practices, and his understanding of idolatry, it's surprising he condemned homosexual acts in so few of his many letters to Christian communities - and only in brief passages. Even then, Paul's use of Greek makes his messages very confusing. In fact, one test of whether a passage was truly written by Paul is whether the Greek is used in confusing ways. In 1 Corinthians 6:9, he used malakoi, which literally means "soft" and was used in moral contexts for "loose" and "lacking self control." In 1 Corinthians 6:9 and in 1 Timothy 1:10, he used arsenokoitai, which was the first time the plural noun had been used. In Romans 1:26, Paul called homosexual activity para phusin. The English translation is usually: "against nature." But Paul's understanding of "nature" was based on Stoic philosophy, and is not the understanding we have today. To Stoics, "nature" was reason. Paul always associated the word "nature" with cultural heritage and religious teachings. In Galatians, Romans, and Ephesians he refers to Jews being Jews by nature, Gentiles being uncircumcised by nature, and all of us being children of wrath by nature. Paul saw nature as a condition of social training in 1 Corinthians, 11:14: "Does not even nature itself teach you, that, if a man have long hair, it is a shame unto him?" When he uses para phusin, Paul seems to use a Stoic term based on "nature" in the place of the Old Testament word toevah. Toevah was the concept of what is not proper according to Jewish law and custom. At the time of Paul's letters there were names for people who did homosexual acts (arrenomanes, kinaidos, paiderastes, paidophthoro, pallakos and others). Paul never used these words in his letters. - Scripture and Homosexuality - Considering these cultural and historical facts, it's surprising Scripture has so few references to homosexual acts. What's not surprising is that these references always condemn homosexual behavior. But Scripture never condemns homosexual behavior by itself. It is condemned when practicing idolatry or sacred prostitution. It is condemned when promoting promiscuity. It is condemned when forcing violent rape or seducing children. And it is condemned when violating a guests' right to dignity as a male. Also, Scriptural references only speak of homosexual acts - not homosexual people. Not until the Revised Standard Version of the Bible (revised from the King James version in 1885) do we find references to homosexuals themselves. These occur in translating the Greek words "malakoi" and "arsenokoitai" in Paul's letters. Never is the issue of homosexual behavior between loving, homosexual partners addressed in Scripture. The reason is simple: biblical cultures did not have knowledge of homosexuality as a psychological identity. In biblical times homosexuality was known only by the acts people committed, not as a sexual personality. A person born heterosexual assumed homosexual acts to be something people did for dominance or in perversion of their inner identity. Scripture and Homosexuality - Scripture and Sexuality - In the creation stories of Genesis we find two different reasons for sex. The first reason is given in the writings of the Priestly tradition. In Genesis 1:27-28 we read: "So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them. And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it, " In this account, written about 550<ETH>500 BC, the purpose of sex is procreation, pure and simple. Mankind came forth male and female specifically for being fruitful and multiplying. The Old Testament's need for children (population and union with God) and Paul's letters teaching Stoic philosophy both rely on this reason for the creation of sex. And they rely on reserving sexual acts for this reason only. The second reason was written by the Yahwist author. Here a male is formed of clay and placed in the garden of Eden. "And the Lord God said, It is not good that the man should be alone; I will make him an helper meet for him." (Genesis 2:18) In this account, sex is created for companionship and to cure loneliness. This account was written about 950 BC, so is much older than the Priestly tradition found in Genesis 1. In biblical terms, then, we can accept our sexuality as either for the purpose of procreation or for the purpose of mutual love and fulfillment. Most of us, of course, have always been glad it provides us with both. - Jesus and the Homosexual - There is a different treatment of sexuality between the Old and New Testaments. In the Old Testament, contact with God was passed through the blood of his chosen people. Marriage and children were the way the covenant with God was gained and passed on. The new covenant of Christ, however, was passed by a love even stronger than conjugal love - and much more fertile! The New Testament also emphasized resurrection, which led to belief in personal immortality. Survival beyond the grave no longer was associated with bearing children. Different sexual lifestyles entered the new covenant with God. Sexual abstinence and celibate communities became common expressions of Christian living. In the Act of the Apostles, 8:26-39, we see the first time the Holy Spirit recruits members to the new covenant from the sexual outcasts of Israel. The Spirit leads Philip to encounter the Ethiopian eunuch, who is baptized into the Christian community. The Lucan author of this account is showing how the Holy Spirit formed the first Christian community. He emphasizes the fact that outcasts were included in the new covenant with God. First he tells of including the Samaritans. Then the Ethiopian eunuch was welcomed to the covenant. The New Testament was written in Greek. At the time, Hebrew, Greek, and the translation between them used the term eunuch two ways: literally, meaning the castrated; and symbolically, meaning those who do not marry and/or bear children. Jesus was the first to recognize sexual outcasts as worthy of God's kingdom. He and his disciples were discussing marriage and divorce in Matthew 19:12 when he said: "All men cannot receive this saying, save they to whom it is given. For there are some eunuchs, which were so born from their mother's womb: and there are some eunuchs, which were made eunuchs of men: and there be eunuchs, which have made themselves eunuchs for the kingdom of heaven's sake. He that is able to receive it, let him receive it." [footnote 7] This quote from Matthew is the closest biblical reference we have to our current understanding that homosexuality is a psychological identity, rather than just physical acts. For Christ to have known this in biblical times is a testament to his inspired understanding. Jesus brought a new covenant with God, not only to the children of Israel but to all mankind. It is a covenant of loving your neighbor as yourself, and raising a joyful noise unto the Lord. The communities established by his disciples, who knew and quoted him, accepted all the outcasts of Israel and understood the Genesis account of sex as the gift of companionship as well as procreation. This fulfills the prophecy of the Messiah. In Isaiah 56: 2-8, the eunuch is predicted to inherit a special place in the house of the Lord and the sons of strangers are predicted to take hold of the Lord's covenant. Verse 7 predicts: "Even them will I bring to my holy mountain, and make them joyful in my house of prayer: their burnt offerings and their sacrifices shall be accepted upon mine altar; for mine house shall be called an house of prayer for all people." NOTES [footnote 1] polemical addition to the Testament of Naphtali, 70-40 BC. [footnote 2] In telling of offering Lot's daughters, the Yahwist author of the Sodom story again uses the word yãdhà, this time specifically to mean heterosexual sex: "I have two daughters which have not known man (yãdhà); let me, I pray you, bring them out unto you, and do ye to them as is good in your eyes: only unto these men do nothing; for therefore came they under the shadow of my roof." [footnote 3] In fact, sacred temple prostitutes were an important part of worship throughout the classical world, possibly including Mary Magdalene. [footnote 4] Only male homosexual acts are condemned in the Holiness Code: there is no mention of female homosexual acts. [footnote 5]] There is an argument that after the flood Noah's son Ham laid claim to Noah's ancestry of all men by dominating Noah through anal intercourse. This would explain the Israelis' conviction against homosexual acts. The story after the flood (Genesis 9:18-27) was rewritten and we may never know the Yahwist author's original account. Interestingly, the revised version gave Noah's curse for this act not to Ham, but his son Canaan - at a time when Israel's survival was mostly threatened by Canaanites. [footnote 6] By the time of Aquinas, Christian Stoicism had so completely identified sex with sin that unclothedness - even when bathing - was known to damn the soul forever. Until the Reformation in the 1400's, Europe was known as "the Continent that didn't bathe for a thousand years ." [footnote 7] Jesus never spoke specifically of homosexual acts or relations. Scholars consider this quote one example of the New Testament use of eunuch to mean all sexual outcasts. Other notes: NOTE: Biblical quotes are from the King James Version (translated in 1611) or The Complete Bible: An American Translation (1939). For a much deeper understanding of the relationship between the Christian church and the homosexual, please read John J. McNeill's The Church and the Homosexual. (Beacon Press, 25 Beacon Street, Boston, MA 02108.) This Jesuit priest suffered at the hands of the Nazis when his infantry division was captured in 1944. With the same courage he has dedicated himself to awakening the church to the homosexual's contribution to Christian communities. The vast majority of my understanding on this subject has come from The Church and the Homosexual, and I refer you to this book if you have any questions. * © 1992 by Dean Worbois Copies of THE BIBLE AND THE HOMOSEXUAL and COMPOSING THE TESTAMENTS available printed and bound in 3.5 X 8.5 booklet format. Quantity discount prices. For a sample send $3: Dean Worbois PO Box 8182 Boise, ID 83707-2182 Worbois534@aol.com Send E-Mail to editor@postfun.com © PostFun 1995 All Rights Reserved [/b] |
| Religion / Re: Gay Churches by MIZIEYA: 4:28pm On Oct 06, 2006 |
[b]Heaading for destruction:Rapists, bigamists, hypocrites, men on the downlow, AIDS and 419 Scams, a machete wielding muslim or christian and so on could lead to hell - Your point foetus? Are Bible translators truly free? The answer is no. They have never been free to translate the Bible as their understanding of the original Hebrew, Aramaic and Greek dictated. One famous example was the translation of the King James Version of the Bible. The translators were pressured into attacking "witches" where: The original Hebrew text in the Hebrew Scriptures (Old Testament) discussed women who used spoken curses to hurt or kill others. The original Greek text in the Christian Scriptures (New Testament) discussed people who murdered others through the use of poison. In modern times, the pressures are from economic considerations, not by royal commands. Take Leviticus 18:22 and 20:13, for example. A word-by-word analysis of these two verses by the National Gay Pentecostal Alliance (NGPA), shows that the passages do not prohibit all same-sex behavior; they do not even prohibit all male same-sex activities. They merely control where male-male intercourse is allowed. It cannot be performed in a woman's bed, because that location is sacrosanct. Only the woman, and under certain circumstances a man, may occupy it. Otherwise, a serious defilement would result. The New International Version (NIV) currently translates Leviticus 18:22 as: "Do not lie with a man as one lies with a woman; that is detestable." The New Living Translation (NLT) widens the translation to also include lesbians: "Do not practice homosexuality; it is a detestable sin. Imagine what would happen if the translators decided to be accurate to the original Hebrew and render this verse as: "Two men must not engage in sexual activity on a woman's bed; it is ritually unclean. By reading various translations of the Bible, generations of Christians have been conditioned to expect this verse to condemn all homosexual behavior -- or at least all male same-sex activity. They expect that it will be morally condemned as "an abomination" or at least as a "detestable" act. But this new translation does not prohibit male to male sexual behavior; it only limits where the act can be performed. And it does not say that this conduct, if done on a woman's bed, is to be morally condemned. It only says that it is ritually unclean, like coming near a dead body, or eating shellfish, or getting a tattoo. The readers would assume that the translation is defective and that the translators were distorting the original meaning of the passage in order to be politically correct and not offend gays and lesbians. The readers would be disinclined to buy the Bible. Thus, a truly accurate Bible would be a financial failure, and would never see the light of day. [/b] |
| Education / Re: UK Education Scam by MIZIEYA: 1:02pm On Oct 06, 2006 |
Ponders why people have a hard time sticking to the subject matter. Clearly your arguments are lame, unjustifiable and without merit. Basically and essentially you people ARE blaming the white man because you lack the minds to think outside of a conspiracy theory. You plebians would produce the same argument for being rejected for a job. Stop playing the victim and grow up- get a job, get an education and get facts. Stop pursuing dead end conspiracies. None of you work in government- you have no basis except- jon doe didn't get a visa: there is a scam. lol what other nonesense. No one else is complaining except nigerians: lol says a lot about the mentality. Perhaps if you're a christian you should pray to your impotent god to help you get a visa? Prayer works right? <winks> |
| Religion / Re: Between Law And Mathematics by MIZIEYA: 5:33am On Oct 06, 2006 |
I'd say it was the chicken. My second choice would be LAW. |
| Religion / Re: Religious Ethics And My Situation by MIZIEYA: 5:31am On Oct 06, 2006 |
Zap, I don't get the connection between the title of this thread and your penury, |
| Religion / Re: Dealing With Your Enemies by MIZIEYA: 11:28pm On Oct 05, 2006 |
[b]Well 'jesus' said turn the other cheek - what christian does that these days? The Torah says an eye for an eye. Exodus 21:23-27 Burning for burning, wound for wound, stripe for stripe. Exodus 21:25 Clearly the Old Testament has more colour and flavour for revenge, and not only that but it justifies a christian for their self righteous acts. Even though 'yhwh' said vengeance is mine Hebrews 10:30- clearly he neglected to reinforce that notion when he was delegating the israelite army to invade, rape and slaughter every person in lands that yhwh apparently coveted. The same sentiment can be applied to christians and muslims who invaded africa under the guise of the Faith based Initiative: Shock and Awe where the slaughtering and raping of men and women and children, not to mention slavery was purely just to bring the heathen to god and win gods heart: Clearly we see comparisons today with contemporary christians and muslims. I prefer Killing With Kindness, or if I'm impatient, I simply dial a muslim or christian to do my work for me. Making voodoo dolls is so tiresome.[/b] |
| Religion / Re: Gay Churches by MIZIEYA: 11:12pm On Oct 05, 2006 |
Babyosi: 1 Since Biblical times there have been homosexuals remember sodom and gommorrah where the word sodomy originated from. 2 There is nothing new under the sun,the scriptures say. Mizieya: 1 You need to firstly check the 'sodom and gomorrah" account. It has nothing to do with homosexuality. 2 Homosexuals, lesbians, bisexuals have existed in every culture long before the bible or even judaism existed. 3 Lets explore 'new under the sun' - I'd say transsexuality is relatively 'new under the sun', and similarly the internet, Drug Barons, Crime Lords, Newspapers, a Media! 419 scams,visa, passports, Greencards, Marriages for visas, television, radio, aeroplanes, space shuttles and space stations, playstations, Mobile Phones, computers, plastic, bullets, guns, tanks, - you know I believe the list is definately not inexhaustive- clearly the List wasn't in existence in the biblical era or indeed before it therefore there are such things as new under the sun. <says disgustedly>Get a valid point. |
| Education / Re: UK Education Scam by MIZIEYA: 9:19pm On Oct 05, 2006 |
For every failure regarding visas there are always twice the amount of a success rate. Interesting that only the people who failed in getting a visa are complaining or in some cases successful applicants complaining on someone elses behalf- which is somewhat ironic. Carry on with the Blame Game ladies: its spell binding. |
| Music/Radio / Re: Rapper Needs Record Deal by MIZIEYA: 7:00pm On Oct 05, 2006 |
Makavellis: Actually it might be an idea to check out www.myspace.com because there you will get noticed: upload your demo in the Musicans section and go from there- there are many many contacts to be made all over the world - simplest way to get a contract is by asking someone from myspace or getting professional advice after someone has heard your demo. www.mixposure is another good invaluable resource to use - it is filled with professional and amateurs bands, musicians, recording companies and so on - and also has a good community vibe to it. |
| Education / Re: UK Education Scam by MIZIEYA: 6:38pm On Oct 05, 2006 |
Don: 1My friend, I'm in Canada studying and don't wish to visit the UK at the moment so I'm not feeling sorry for myself for any reason whatsoever. 2I feel sorry for you on the other hand for being a tool used to spread agendas. 3Get a mind of your own, stop being an agenda vendor. 4In the nearest furute, they'll develop a computer program that will be able to do your job even more effectively. 5Seeing how you can't even hide the ugly preconceptions behind your argument from a common man like me. Mizieya: 1 I don't recall giving you permission to call me 'friend' 1a) I'm surprised you can connect with a feeling. 1b) Was it difficult for you to get into Canada? 2 Don on a scale from 1-10 how 'sorry' do you feel for me? 2a) whose agenda am I spreading? And am I getting paid for it? 3) By getting a mind of my own does it have to be modelled on yours? 4) A computer for the work I do- that will be interesting. Plugging my mind directly into computerland to do music- an interesting notion. Hopefully not a computer running on microsoft otherwise it will crash whenever I have a subversive thought 5) Ugly Preconceptions, by that you mean because I do not agree with you wholeheartedly. Oh don can you forgive me for not being you? <blows nose> |
| Education / Re: UK Education Scam by MIZIEYA: 6:03pm On Oct 05, 2006 |
<Chuckles> To be honest I don't believe any of the hardluck stories - and the examples i've been given just sum up the whole "i didn't read the foot notes" scenario. I give you permission to continue feeling sorry for yourself. |
| Travel / Re: Getting Married For The Green Card (Citizenship) by MIZIEYA: 5:27pm On Oct 05, 2006 |
My sex life will be revealed in my autobiography due out next month. I could label you as a potential stalker- copy and pasting jaded conversations with Mizieya. Do you keep a scrap book? |
| Education / Re: UK Education Scam by MIZIEYA: 5:22pm On Oct 05, 2006 |
Hardly defensive. But so far that is the sentiment of your diatribe. Did that move the earth for you? |
| Religion / Re: Sex And Violence In The Bible by MIZIEYA: 5:18pm On Oct 05, 2006 |
Blaster you may wish to look at the News reports where Men have killed because the bible or god told them, |
| Religion / Re: Sex And Violence In The Bible by MIZIEYA: 5:16pm On Oct 05, 2006 |
David let me know when you run out of money i'll be hapy to pay your air fare back to Mars. |
| Travel / Re: Getting Married For The Green Card (Citizenship) by MIZIEYA: 5:14pm On Oct 05, 2006 |
Old shame, Alqiada may be annoying London Traffic but thats about it. Zeb- it is a mystery how you survive considering the Abyss encased inside your head. Perhaps it's time you made a case that I cannot find a flaw with- good luck to you with that one. <Kaleidoscopally grins> |
| Religion / Re: Gay Churches by MIZIEYA: 5:00pm On Oct 05, 2006 |
Perhaps you failed to read the information properly including the rescource materials out of the three posts.Selective highlighting doesn't work for me. I refer you once again to the bibliography section. Using christianity and its pseudo deity doesn't quite move the earth for me - since they are less credible than your reading skills. |
| Travel / Re: Getting Married For The Green Card (Citizenship) by MIZIEYA: 9:51am On Oct 05, 2006 |
[b]So you're saying South Africa is not a player in the international arena? That's why South Africa is a leading fashion House? Stop being a girl and grow up keep to facts and to the subject at hand. I'm glad you rang British Airways-good to know you know how to use the telephone - one hopes your phone manners are more coherent than your typed ones - the relevance here is?? Should you complain about shipping of second hand computers to Africa and other countries? Without them you wouldn't be online or indeed internet scams wouldn't take place - see theres a positive for every negative! vive la 419 and greencard scam! yay! The last time you checked the IRA must have been last 2 centuries- be up to date darling not out of date. Why would I wish to go to America? The land of the Paranoic? Just because America is a mega rich country with its own domestic problems doesn't make for a good argument. America, Katrina the terrorist au naturel, George Bush and his black 'wife' Condoleeza - are not my problem let alone issue. Basically reading your speech- its just stating impotence, frustration and the need to plead the case for injustice where there is none. Stop complaining and take positive action. Go get that green card and be happpy lol <stage left exits and laughs>[/b] |
| Education / Re: UK Education Scam by MIZIEYA: 9:36am On Oct 05, 2006 |
Actually because I can dispute means that I know something: However my stance has always been "tough, try again and get the formulai correct." I don't tolerate men or women crying online or offline just because they feel some imagined injustice is going on- and its evidently clear your story is filled with holes - more importantly real proof would mean producing proof not hearsay. I prefer facts that are presentable. You're just one of many blacks that need to blame the white guy instead of taking on self responsibility- get over it. |
| Religion / Re: Sex And Violence In The Bible by MIZIEYA: 9:32am On Oct 05, 2006 |
David: 1You should also be aware that same slavery and bloodshed was also a hallmark of white celtic pagans of which neither you nor your ancestors can claim to be a part of though you desperately wish to belong! 2Any white welsh man would be laughing up his ass anytime you refer to yourself as a "celtic" pagan! [b]Mizieya: Dear rabid David you keep evading my questions - I am wondering a this stage if your effeminacy is getting the better of you- remember effeminate men don't make it into heaven. 1 Actually Celtic Tribal History boils down to skirmishes with each other as opposed to later united Imperialism: Empire that saw control over most of Africa, and other countries.: Ireland, Scotland, Wales and England were also invaded by Rome, France and so on- in fact the english language is made up of its past invaders Anglo Saxon etc etc, 2 I have many Caucasian Friends - in fact 90% of which are Pagan like me. There are caucasian men and women born in Africa-some of which take up African Religious Tradition. The creator of WTFD Records whom I signed with for instance is South African - I don't percieve anyone laughing at him because he is a white South African. If anything you and other blacks are more in a Less Credible situation - by adopting christianity and or indeed Islam you are sending the message to the world that says "Yes abuse me." Christianity and Islam not only did and does the empire scenario but cost people their lives- our ancestors- talk about sleeping with the Enemy- in ww2 you would be labelled as a collaborator for doing such a thing. 3 I believe you need to get some concrete. And by the way- can you produce evidence that Jesus did not support sex or violent acts during his supposed existence? If one reads the bible you will find evidence that supports his unchristlikeness. 4 I am wondering if you are a crackwhore? Because your remarks are very spaced out, Addiction in any form is not healthy.[/b] |
| Religion / Re: Is It Wrong To Work In A Brewery Or Tobacco Company? by MIZIEYA: 12:15am On Oct 05, 2006 |
David: can you substantiate what these '"things" that are the hallmarks of idol worship!' actually are? And while you're at it: answer my question: are you impotent? Remember I paid you a compliment that you would make an adequate janitor - I am sure no one else has said the same to you - even if they have thought it. And could you answer the threads question? <Smiles Indulgently> |
| Religion / Re: Sex And Violence In The Bible by MIZIEYA: 11:55pm On Oct 04, 2006 |
[b]Do you understand the differences between Celtic Paganism and Agnosticism? Christians always cry "Persecution" when they are being challenged - yet its perfectly ok for them to persecute others if they are not conforming to the christian ideal - it is because of this that it's increasingly difficult to distinguish between a crazed christian fundamentalist and an islamic one. I prefer my brand of Reality. I also prefer being Myself as opposed to being a blank paged Christian. Individuality means Freedom: Clearly you have none. Christian Fundamentalism is the equivalent of Muslim Extremism: Neither of which I favour. I strongly advise you - get educated on the subject of MIZIEYA, Paganism, Agnosticism, and Christianity. You will find your versions of your momentary perceptions are somewhat redundent and useless in combating my Knowledge regarding the prurient christian religion: especially when I can quite happily use your own religion against you. Perhaps as a christian you may want to actualise 'god's love' instead of preaching it: remember Agape. Not that, that will help your case. The holy spirit is dead would explain why christianity has no spirituality but only rhetoric. You claim that "Salvation is knocking at your door, open your heart, let go of the hurts and anger, let love flow in." You should be aware that your words mirror the diatribe that the white missionaries sold to Africa and other countries. And we all know how that ended up: Slavery, Bloodshed and ignorance. The very things that enabled sex and violence in the bible and justified it. <Smiles Indulgently> [/b] |
| Religion / Re: Is It Wrong To Work In A Brewery Or Tobacco Company? by MIZIEYA: 11:47pm On Oct 04, 2006 |
David: 1 You speak like a child! 2 The same Jehovah, the Jehovah shalom/the God of peace is the same God of war, the Lion of the tribe of Judah! 3 The ONE who is the prince of peace is still the ALMIGHTY GOd before whom idol worshippers like you would still have to bow. 4 So that your father professes to love you, would you claim double standard when he punishes you for a wrong doing? [b]MIZIEYA: Question: David are you impotent? 1 I am not aware that you have heard my talking voice- granted there is a possibility you may have heard my singing voice - the latter I may consider as being plausible whereas the former totally not. 2 Yes I know god is a god of war and of peace he is also the god who discloses in Isaiah 45:5-7 that he is a god of good and evil. Apart from being pointless - what is your point? 3 I have told you never to assume what I think or even what I do: Fact: MIZIEYA doesn't worship idols. However in saying that I suspect your god will smite your fellow christians for worshipping the following idols: the bible, money - think tv evangelists and other con artists for jesus. 3a) Yes I am familiar with the phrase "at the name of jesus every knee shall bow": why is it that christians don't bow to jesus but bow to every doctrine that claims christianity as its author? 3b) Since I do not acknowledge your version of Paganism as authority, or even as authentic- your hystrionics are somewhat redundent - but I do find you amusing. Perhaps you're the equivalent of the Village Fool? 4) Your god is not my father. And for your information- the judeo christian god has no concept of healthy love - what loving father annhilates whole tribes out of love? What loving father sends his supposed 'son' to die as an example? What loving father/husband abuses his wife (Israel) using the medium of fear to keep her in line? What loving father sells amorals as morals - consider the creation myth: adam and eve, cain and abel: a relationship based on incest. 4a) I could go on but suffice it to say - you can keep your 'god' and your pseudo religion- I prefer my brand of Perfection. 5) perhaps it might be an idea to answer the threads question: or is this an indicator that because you do not understand the question- means you express your own ignorance through rants at others? 6) Clearly my point was made and you cannot dispute it: coherently or otherwse. [/b] |
| Religion / Re: Sex And Violence In The Bible by MIZIEYA: 11:28pm On Oct 04, 2006 |
david: 1 You ignorant little twerp! 2 Of course you are quick to align yourself with the "Jews who don't believe in Jesus, Heaven or Hell", 3not really because your posit on the Jews has any element of truth but because as is usual with those who have unsettled consciences and wish to continously assure themselves that they are not in the minority, you keep grasping at any available straws to buttress very weak claims. 4 As for staying in the US legally or illegally, sorry its none of your business. One wonders how you or your ancestors found their way to Ireland in the first place. For your information i am legally here and pursuing the highest level of degree the likes of you can only dream of. [b]MIZIEYA 1 Calling me ignorant when you have no idea where Wales is, and it is certainly not in Ireland. 2 There is a difference between commonality and alignment. Clearly if you're in higher education you would know the difference. Perhaps the Barbarian in you is coming out? 3 A tip I always give to the plebeian who is trying to better him/herself is: never consider yourself as a mind reader: thus claiming " those who have unsettled consciences and wish to continously assure themselves that they are not in the minority." is in equal proportion to insubstantiality as the claim that jesus existed or indeed that there is a "true christian". 3a) Weak claims? If you wish to rewrite the bible just because it is unsuitable for children and unpalatable for your mindset- then do so. 4) The highest level of degree? I'm sure you'd make an adequate janitor. Don't forget mixing chemicals isnt a good idea unless you're planning on making a bomb or bio weapon. 5) Talking of bombs- clearly you're not the smartest bomb in the armoury. Don't envy me just because I keep running rings around your spastic head <smiles indulgently>[/b] |
| Religion / Re: Sex And Violence In The Bible by MIZIEYA: 10:04pm On Oct 04, 2006 |
I have no interest in asking them that question- which you broached- its your cry baby wagon - YOU ask them little girl. Because I am Who I AM <smirks> means that like the Jews I don't believe in jesus or heaven or indeed hell. However like the christians and muslims I do believe in persecution: Christian Persecution no less: its one of my favourite pasttimes. I am guessing once you've finished your studies in america, you'll stay there illegally  <smiles dazzingly> |
| Education / Re: UK Education Scam by MIZIEYA: 10:00pm On Oct 04, 2006 |
<Smiles> Don - Poor baby Its clear: the info wasn't the same: My neighbours who are pakistan but were born in Nigeria has a nephew who was refused a visa last year to come to the UK, he was a student and apparently the people who processed his application conisdered him to be a potential terrorist. My neighbours just shrugged their shoulders and said "oh well, he'll apply again and get it" however the interesting thing is that prior to that application he had been granted a visa to visit his relatives here in Wales. Your point and grudge is really touching my sympathetic heart- if i had one. |
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