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promise101:
Okay, bye!

Have a nice day!

Wouldn't it be nice to lead that brother to Believe?

Or isn't everyone meant to hear the good news?

OLAADEGBU:
You are wise. Let me bump up a post by Ken4Christ who sums it up succintly.

I really appreciate this sir. Thank you

And I'll also take muafrica2's advice, "listen and contribute nothing"

OLAADEGBU:
How about sharing a glass of cool water tainted with rat poison, will that not be tempting fate?

Yes sir, it would be

Tjayjosh:
God will show you numerous signs. But, your own son, from your body will prove it to you. For now, you will continue in your rebellion, and your life will not be taken.

Johnydon22, this is a prophesy, you should note. Thank you

There are some nice JW friends that visit me every Sundays to study the bible. I do not agree with some of their beliefs but I've had so many eye openers from them.
Are you guys saying they have a faulted doctrine?
Would I be advised to stay away from them?

Glory to God.

Have you accepted the salvation of Christ? If no, then you should. I wont prescribe any prayer to you. Just believe that he saves and has saved you. Believe that he took the blame for your shortcomings, suffered and died for you to be justified.

Then proceed to know more about your new found love by studying God's word. You can start with any book of the bible. Though I'll suggest Colossians in the New testament.

God uphold you brother. It's gonna be a nice ride, I promise.

Its Long but only for inquiring minds!
"Nashatani" AND NOT "sabachthani", is the
Aramaic word for Hebrew's "azabtani",
which in Psalms
22:1 is the translated English word
"forsaken"
For whose benefit there, did Jesus, in
Aramaic utter those words?
Who were listening, who there could have
understood the language He uttered and
who there was the message in that
utterance for?
Jesus doesnt speak impetuously, like David
did, with "forsaken me" in Psalms 22:1
It just isnt at all part of any of Jesus' m.o
- previous post end -
I asked the above questions, because no
matter how much any dying person has
talked in life, the final words of most dying
persons in life seems to command that little
extra respect, as listeners pay special
attention to the last words of a dying
person,
Most people' last words are very profound,
and Jesus' is no exception to this.
Jesus as a dying man hung on a cross,
uttered the below famous seven dying last
words
1) Luke 23:34 - Father, forgive them, for they
do not know what they do.
2) Luke 23:43 - Truly, I say to you, today you
will be with me in paradise.
3) John 19:26–27 - Woman, behold your
son. Son Behold your mother.
4) Matthew 27:46 & Mark 15:34 - My God, My
God, (this bit is blanked out, to be revealed
later)
5) John 19:28 - I thirst.
6) John 19:30 - It is finished (or "It is
accomplished'')
7) Luke 23:46 - Father, into your hands I
commit my spirit. After reading
Matthew 27:46 or Matthew 27:50 and then
reading Mark 15:34 or Mark 15:37 would
ask:
"What were those Jesus' last words on the
cross not explicitly mentioned in Matthew
27:50 and Mark 15:37?"
Well of courtesy of John 19:30 and Luke
23:46, we know what the last words, which
were not explicitly mentioned in Matthew
27:50 and Mark 15:37 are
Syncan, if you keep, "Eli, Eli, lama,
Sabachthani", (i.e. Matthew 27:46 and
Matthew 27:50) in the mind,
and also keep "it is finished" or "it is
accomplished" together with "Father, into
your hands I commit my spirit" in mind too
(i.e. Matthew 27:50 or Mark 15:37 with John
19:30 and Luke 23:46)
then there is a good chance of
understanding what Jesus Christ actually
said with "Eli, Eli, lama, Sabachthani"
(i.e. My God, My God, (the continuing bit here
is blanked out, to be revealed later))
and also know what He was saying and was
doing with those last dying words.
As previously hinted above "Sabachthani" is
a homonym
and it apart from meaning "forsaken or
abandoned", it also means "to keep or kept",
"to allow" or "to permit"
The final words of most dying persons are
very important,
and last words of such dying people, are
usually filled with messages for certain
people, last wishes, final requests, final
blessings, special instructions, cryptic
messages (e.g. Jesus switching to Aramaic
with "Eli, Eli, lama, Sabachthani'') etcetera
The dying last four words of Jesus were:
4) Matthew 27:46 & Mark 15:34 - My God, My
God, (this bit is blanked out, to be revealed
later)
5) John 19:28 - I thirst.
6) John 19:30 - It is finished (or "It is
accomplished'')
7) Luke 23:46 - Father, into your hands I
commit my spirit
The first of the last four words were for the
benefit of the disciples, which is why it was
spoken in Aramaic (e.g. "Eli, Eli, lama,
Sabachthani'')
The last two words are self explanatory and
makes everthing else fall into place once the
proper translation of the "Eli, Eli, lama,
Sabachthani" is done.
"Eli, Eli, lama, Sabachthani" means:
"My God, My God, this is why You kept me"
or "My God, My God, this is My destiny"
or "My God, My God, this is what You
permitted"
or "My God, My God, this is what You
allowed"
So we have "My God, My God, this is why You
kept me"; "It is finished (or "It is
accomplished'')
and then "Father, into your hands I commit
my spirit"
Jesus for the benefit of the disciples uttered
in Aramaic the purpose
(i.e. the reason all those things were
happening, the reason why He was created
or the reason why He came to exist)
He then after declaring that the purpose (i.e.
the process for salvation) is finished or
accomplished
excused Himself with the "Father, into your
hands I commit my spirit" last word
Jesus chose His word very carefully and
didnt speak impetuously when He used "Eli,
Eli, lama, Sabachthani"
He actually was paraphrasing the begining
of Psalm 22 (i.e. Psalm 22:1) just like He
paraphrased the end of Psalm 22 (i.e Psalm
22:31)
There are a bunch of other scriptures and
messianic psalms Jesus paraphrases.
Paul Peter et al also display this behaviour
Jesus deliberating DID NOT quote Psalms
22:1 verbatim or directly
but consciously changed or switched
language and used the Aramaic
"sabachthani"



Original poster - MuttleyLaff

EVILFOREST:
Good question

Difficult to answer

Forgiveness is easy, how do you forget?

You have been abstaining but you're being pressured by your [unmarried] partner, It always pay to ask yourself, "what next after sex?"

Nice one, smith.

MuttleyLaff:
Please continue, please meat upholster this skeleton, this afterall is meant to be educational

Please push, breathe in deep and push harder

I think the remains of jezebel's hands and feet was like a proof to the fulfilment of Elijah's prophesy concerning her to those that threw her down. just as Christ's hands and feet were a sign to the doubting disciples that the prophesy concerning his death and resurrection had come to pass. In Luke 24:39, Christ was showing them his hands and feet, serving as a confirmation to the fact that he was the same one who was crucified and is alive. I don't really know about the skull but it should align with the significance of the hands and feet.


Oga MuttleyLaff, kindly help out sir.

MuttleyLaff:
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How Well Do You Know The Biblical Easter Story?
Here’s the opportunity to refresh your memory.
Find out how just well you know the Easter story from the Bible.

1 Palm Sunday is the week before Easter. What does it mark?
a) When Jesus was put on the cross - it took a long time for him to die
b) Jesus entering Jerusalem on a donkey
c) Jesus going on trial

2 Why was Jesus coming to Jerusalem?
a) He was being put on trial
b) He was visiting his home town
c) To celebrate Passover

3 On what day was the Last Supper had?
a) Maundy Thursday
b) Good Friday
c) Easter Sunday

4 How did Judas betray Jesus?
a) He marked out Jesus to the Roman soldiers by kissing his cheek
b) He disclosed where Jesus was eating his Passover meal
c) He stabbed him in the back

5 Who was Pontius Pilate?
a) One of Jesus's disciples
b) The Roman Emperor
c) Roman governor who oversaw the death of Jesus

6 Who was the criminal who set free so that Jesus could be crucified?
a) Barrack
b) Barbosa
c) Barabbas

7 Who else was crucified alongside Jesus?
a) No one. He was on his own
b) Two thieves
c) Two murderers

8 What words did Jesus according to the Bible cry out while on the cross?
a) 'My God, My God, why have you forsaken me'
b) 'I am the resurrection and the life. Whoever believes in me, though he die, yet shall he live, and everyone who lives and believes in me shall never die'
c) 'He will swallow up death in victory; and the Lord God will wipe away tears from off all faces'

9 Who came to visit Jesus at his burial site only to discover he'd been resurrected?
a) Mary Magadalene
b) His mother, Mary
c) The Bible doesn't specify

10 When did Jesus leave Earth to join God in heaven?
a) Immediately
b) After he appeared to his disciples
c) After he'd spoken to the women who visited his grave

b, c, a, a, c, c, b, a, a, b.

MuttleyLaff:
And of Jezebel also spake the LORD, saying,
The dogs shall eat Jezebel by the wall of Jezreel.
- 1 Kings 21:23

³⁰Then Jehu went to Jezreel.
When Jezebel heard about it, she put on eye makeup, arranged her hair and looked out of a window.
³¹As Jehu entered the gate, she asked,
“Have you come in peace, you Zimri, you murderer of your master?”
³²He looked up at the window and called out,
“Who is on my side? Who?”
Two or three eunuchs looked down at him.
³³“Throw her down!” Jehu said.
So they threw her down, and some of her blood spattered the wall and the horses as they trampled her underfoot.
³⁴Jehu went in and ate and drank. “Take care of that cursed woman,” he said,
“and bury her, for she was a king’s daughter.”
³⁵But when they went out to bury her, they found nothing except her skull, her feet and her hands.
³⁶They went back and told Jehu, who said,
“This is the word of the Lord that he spoke through his servant Elijah the Tishbite:
On the plot of ground at Jezreel dogs will devour Jezebel’s flesh.
³⁷Jezebel’s body will be like dung on the ground in the plot at Jezreel, so that no one will be able to say, ‘This is Jezebel.’ ”
2 Kings 9:30-37

Why didn't or couldn't the dogs eat Jezebel's hands, head and feet?
Keeping in mind, this is Calvary/Easter period, what is the spiritual significance and/or spiritual parallel in the Bible?

They nailed Christ's hand and feet to the cross too. On his head was a crown made of thorn- my spiritual parallel.
Spiritual significance- I don't know sir.

temmi001 dear, i think WE should do this, what do you think?

MuttleyLaff:
With all due respects to both of you, IMHO, there is nothing like recharging there however is something akin to ''''staying plugged in'' to the Source''''
''Staying plugged in'' to the Source, allows the continue flowing of the current of the Holy Spirit from the Source to recipients for infilling

Believers dont recharge, but stay plugged in to the Source, even with full bar on charge displaying

Believers are on 24/7 charging, they ought to never unplug but remain connected ever charging
and receiving from the Mains, as much flowing current they are able and capable to receive.
The spirit indeed is willing, but the flesh is weak
The Holy Spirit is willing, to give as much as one can handle
but it is either faith or the flesh, at times which when weak that holds one back
Believers are to fill in the Holy Spirit oversize shoes and suit with the current ever flowing from the Mains they are plugged and connected to

''Quenching the spirit'' happens when the plug is pulled, is another of my IMHO
as pulling the plug prevents the Holy Spirit from happening or continuing flowing from Source to fill up recipients

There are certain things we do (e.g. Samson and King Saul to name just two), which pulls the plug and ultimately quenches the Spirit

¹¹Do not banish me from Your presence
or take Your Holy Spirit from me.
¹²Restore the joy of Your salvation to me,
and give me a willing spirit
- Psalm 51:11-12

There are at least two ingredients for keeping possession of Holy Spirit, they are:
1) God's presence - Remaining or staying in God's presence
2) Willing spirit - Having a willing spirit

The lack of 1 and 2 undermines the Holy Spirit and causes a total loss of it (i.e. quenches it)

The loss of the Holy Spirit, is clear or obvious to the trained eye, mind or observer
and the loss might manifest in two ways:
1) Instant total loss - total loss of Holy Spirit happening or coming immediately
2) Gradual loss - loss taking place slowly with a lingering residual Holy Spirit

Samson in Judges 16:20 and King Saul in 1 Samuel 16:14, are two examples of where, when the plug is pulled, the Spirit effectively is quenched and there is ''Total loss of the Holy Spirit''
Samson and King Saul, are also examples of the active resistance against God's work, and also persistent rebellion/sin getting the Spirit quenched vooks talked about

Gradual loss, where loss of the Holy Spirit can take place slowly with a lingering residual Holy Spirit, occurs in society today among believers, known as yesterday's man

We all know that one of the characteristics of a plugged in and switched on electric iron is heat (i.e. it gets hot or have high temperatures)
it also is known that, a just finished used iron, remains hot for a while even though it's being switched off and unplugged from the electic socket.

The Holy Spirit and believers, to a certain degree, are somewhat like the electric current flowing through the cable making a plugged in and switched on electric iron hot.
- The Holy Spirit is the electric current flowing through the cable and the believer is the electric iron

Now the reason for this lingering post, is merely to touch on that kind of believer tagged ''yesterday's man'' and the connection with Gradual loss
(i.e. loss taking place slowly with a lingering residual Holy Spirit)

The ''Yesterday's man'' believers, are like, a just used iron, switched off and unplugged from the electic socket but remaining hot due to residual heat
The Holy Spirit has been quenched and stopped flowing into the ''yesterday's man'' believer
but the ''yesterday's man'' believer, to some degrees, even after the switch off and unplugging from the Source,
remains still ''hot'' due to the lingering residual ''heat'' Holy Spirit

Most ''yesterday's man'' believer, dont know the Holy Spirit has been quenched because they are still showing the characteristics of the Holy Spirit, as in that lingering residual ''heat'' Holy Spirit

When the lingering residual ''heat'' Holy Spirit is finally and totally lost, then some of the ''yesterday's man'' believers turn to making unholy alliances with dark forces and/or undesirable spiritual entities to save face

The gullible and easily influenced who dont know about the ''yesterday's man'' believer's total loss of the Holy Spirit and the fake one replacing the original are easily deceived by it

this would be in context with John 15;1-8?

I am very far from home, but i will have the opportunity to take the bold step this year. I know the Lord will help me. Thanks brethren, for the love you show.

vooks:
Hi MizyB, interesting question right there.
Quenching the Spirit is expressly forbidden in 1 Thess 5:19. Quenching means extinguish, put out. This to me means obstructing or disparaging His work in men like spiritual gifts, or even conviction over sin. Failure to recharge to me does not lead to this, it simply keeps you in the SAME level of faith and experience with God. Recharging moves you higher.

When the disciples recharged, they did not receive additional spiritual gifts or manifestations; they were just emboldened to witness. They received boldness which was hitherto lacking in most. So I would say recharging also helps in confronting new challenges in our walk in Spirit.

What in my opinion causes 'loss of the Spirit' or bankruptcy of authentic Spirit experience in our lives is active resistance against His work, and also persistent rebellion/sin

God bless you sir

JMG1:
Your personal text in your profile says you a muslim before but now a beliver. Same here as well. Gave my life to Christ in march 2013, faced persecutions of every sort but with Christ I kept winning as the Lord did not allow my feet to stumble. Now Dead to sin and fully alive to Christ to the Glory of the Lord. How did your journey go? Or was it just a free road all the way into the light?

the journey for me has been complicated. From mosque to church, church to mosque.I accepted Christ in 2014, officially.

I'm looking forward to the day I'll tell my father I'm now a believer I've never been bold to him about it in time past.

temi4fash:
To add to what mr vooks has said.

Not recharging is just like not eating so you don't grow and your gift too does not grow too.

No oo. What happens is when you quench the spirit which does not happen suddenly but overtime when you you subdue the use of your gifts and the workings of the Holy spirit in ones life.

Total loss I don't know... But redundant yes

thank you very Mich ma. The 'not eating food' comparison is just great Cos its similar to not praying, watching and studying the word of God which are helpful spiritual 'food'. God bless you ma

MuttleyLaff:
From one Oga to another Oga. I hail you too ma.
By the grace of Abba, as [b]iron sharpens[b\] iron, so one person sharpens the wits of another

that's why i need you to be active sir.

You have a mail

Mr vooks, thank you. So a believer who doesnt 'recharge' this infilling might end up quenching the spirit, right? And Could this lead to total loss of the spirit in such believer?

Oga MuttleyLaff, its so nice to have you here. Thank you for the reprove on my conception about the infillng of the spirit. God bless you sir

vooks:
How do you intend to share three pages in 10min?

How to be filled is very simple; just ask
Luke 11:13 (KJV)
If ye then, being evil, know how to give good gifts unto your children: how much more shall your heavenly Father give the Holy Spirit to them that ask him?

hello Mr vooks why ask for the Holy spirit? Going by the account of Eph1:13 i kinda think its an automatic thing; open your heart to believe on the Lord Jesus, and you have the Holy spirit instantly in you.

oyeludef:
My sister when dealing with them, avoid arguments because their understanding is darkened.one thing about them is that they fear spiritual things as you can see how they avoid this thread but had it been a thread on theology dey will have derailed it long ago. I have lived with dem and i know them so much. they can provoke you out of the grace of God if you engage them in logical argument because they will insult you stylishly to win the argument and you may end uo almost throwing punches(i almost did once wen i just got bornagain).

It is best to isolate whoever it is you wanna talk to because dey may pretend if any of their fellow is around but open up to you in an heart to heart conversation. avoid talking about doctrine to d individual because dey av been indoctrinated from kids and it will take process of time for them to unlearn wat dey av learnt. Love is key when dealing with such individual because even d wildest best, can b tamed by love. you can talk about spiritual thing dat will facinate them and is new to them like miracles, the power of God etc along the line, you will win such a heart to Christ.

spot on bro Oye, God bless U

Hello, Children of God. Thank God for his fire on this thread.
I have a little challenge, i hope you guys can help with.


How do U witness Christ to Muslims who think they know Jesus even more than believers. They always claim they believe Jesus more than we do just that he's no saviour. i always get stuck when they bring this up.

temi4fash:
I will not want to argue any more... I got some things from what you and analice have said...

Obviously from your reply you have not given any cogent way of knowing that a tongues is gibberish. If you say because someone does not interpret is tongues then he is speaking gibberish then am sorry to say you wrong..

Apostle Paul just encouraged us to avoid speaking in tongues in the church without interpretation cause the Church is not been edifed by it.. Now that been said.. I would like us to know that

1. Baptism of the holy ghost is not 1 plus 1

2. No body can tell me a man is a saying gibberish based on the kind of tongues he speaks except the holy spirit tells you so. And the only evidence my Bible tells me that a man is filled with the holy spirit is speaking in tongues.

3. Everyone's encounter with God is different, So you can't compare how God works with you with how he does with another man

4. That a man does not remember his encounter with God on how he speaks in tongues does not nullify his baptism or make it fake.

5. There are some people who already baptised and because of fear and doubt they have not been able to speak in tongues

6. Every man should read his Bible whatever it tells you and whatever you believe in, do it and it will work for you...

7. If you learnt your tongues go and ask God for forgiveness and ask for the genuine one but if you didn't learn and you got it like some of us did then you are good to go.. make sure you dont quench it..

God bless us all..

thanks brother

Now... mizyb..

Please help with the following questions

What is gibberish?
Unintelligible talking

What is speaking in tongues?
Speaking in intelligible language never learnt by the speaker.

What is praying in the spirit?
Praying =Addressing
Praying in the Spirit =Addressing the Father by the inspiration of the Holy Ghost. Giving up all what's going on in your mind and totally connecting to the Spirit of God.

How do you know it is gibberish they are speaking?
Am sorry but I have to reply with a question. If truly its unknown languages they speak, when they find out there's no interpretation why do they keep on speaking, seeing it edifies no one except themselves.

Temi4fash

temi4fash:
What am saying sir is these

Some people have the gift of helping people connect and get charged easily or with hassles..

Let give you an example, there are people who would lead praise and worship and the whole atmosphere would be electrified and it would be like wow and some would lead and nothing happens.

From my example if you are in the congregation of the first you would see that your connection would be easy and fast in short you would br marvelled at some of the things you will do in services like that..

If you are in the no 2 it wo would take additional effort from you to get to the where you wanna be..

Some have the gift, some grow to that level.

I hope you understand.

If you need further clarification let me know

Shalom

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oyeludef:
MizyB

oyeludef:
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Hey brother, the eBook collection u posted to Fischer please can u repost it? God bless you always

TheFakeMuyis:
We May disagree but Holy Ghost Baptism is not Salvation or Sanctification experience, that only requires us to received by faith and we believing that yes am save, am sanctified by His grace and we keep growing. Holy Ghost Baptism come with power and we cannot hide it [ask Peter or Stephen if am lying ], remember i stated in my earlier post: ...the fruit of the spirit were the true nature of Christ recreated in the life of a Spirit filled Christian. and the Holy Ghost Himself is 3rd Personality in the Godhead, so if you have Him [The Holy GHost] you have Jesus in you as well He is the one that will recreate himself in us. Remember Father, Son, HolySpirit are one, wherever you find one of them all are present, and we cant be carrying God in us and yet we are lacking the nature [of Christ] he desired.

I also believed that we dont develop these fruit one after the other, they come at once with the Holy Ghost Baptism, prior to that our life is already prepared for Him, that is the nature of sin as less to zero influence on us (so we wont be messing around like samson )

At time a once Baptised Christian may have lost it, thats why there fruit will be missing in their live. In my own case [not very far] I soon as I confirm and believed to have received the experience I started praying for fullness of the fruit of the spirit, speaking in tongue was not my top priority, there are better Koinoinia

The only answer i can give to your Question is : The person MUST have it, i cant doudt that, Holy Ghost Baptism is not just for speaking Tongue alone but for us fulfil God's purpose for our life

Luke4v18-19: The Spirit of the Lord is upon me, because he hath anointed me to 1)preach the gospel to the poor; 2)he hath sent me to heal the brokenhearted, 3)to preach deliverance to the captives, 4)and recovering of sight to the blind, 5)to set at liberty them that are bruised, 7)To preach the acceptable year of the Lord

But if thats is not the case the person need to pray for the fruit of the spirit, God want us to be fruitful, physically n Spiritually

---
The real goodmuyis

So glad this topic is being discussed. Most believers speak in gibberish not unknown languages. Gibberish was not what people heard the 120believers speak on the day of Pentecost nor Cornelius and the gentiles in his house. I'd advise we read every verse that record tongue speaking with open-mindedness and not with prior knowledge. Romans 8:26 In the same way, the Spirit helps us in our weakness. We do not know what we ought to pray for, but the Spirit himself intercedes for us with groans that words cannot express. You cant utter the Spirit's intercession, how then do we relate tongue speaking with praying in the spirit.

I've stopped deceiving myself with gibberish speaking, now I pray in the spirit and I'll opt for the latter any day.
God bless us all.

@zeongeon, thanks brother. That was pretty much enlightening! God bless U