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Zikkyy: My 'offering' is for 'church' maintenance



I asked for the lesson learnt and you are saying something else. If Jacob burnt his tithe, it means there was no intermediary. He gave directly to God. How do you give give your tithe to God like Jacob?

Why didn't you give your offerings like Jacob ? See how spirituall matters dey elude Christians smh ! Since ur offering is now gor church maintenance, why don't you believe that ur tithe is also for church maintenance(paying of church bills,staff,crusade,conventions,missions,helping the less privileges and so on as the list can go on and on and on ?When you give offerings in the house of the Lord,it's not to man but to God.HE alone decides what HE does with ur offerings becos it's not urs but HIS. Or do you think wen God want's to maintain his church he COMES down from heaven or throws money down from heaven for church maintenance ? Or don't you know that even that ur offering can be used for personal maintenance oda than church maintenance ? Or will you say becos it was used for the former oda than the later that you will no longer give ? Reason with me bro !

God help us

christemmbassey: i'm even lenient, Jesus, floged n drove their ancestors away. How far bros? Sm questions are still hanging o- 1. Was melchi a priest or a highpriest? 2. Was Abram a priest? God bless sir.

Jesus did that becos they wanted to destroy his body(Church) no be building o. We are not the head but also the body of Chrsit. It's only the head can do that which Jesus did and na only one head we get wey be JESUS !
Regarding ur questions,i hav answered it long ago.See below answer wey even the daftest of the spiritually dull wouldn't need any explanation on the below:
There are priests and high priests ! Men are priests and high priests as well : Jesus is a priest and also high priest ! The Law had priests and high priests as well. The reason Jesus' kind of priesthood was different from other kinds of Priesthood is just becos HE IS A PRIEST IN THE ORDER OF MELCHIZEDEK ! See below scripture for ur digest :

Hebrew 7:26-28''Such a high priest truly meets our need—one who is holy, blameless, pure, set apart from sinners, exalted above the heavens. Unlike the other high priests, he does not need to offer sacrifices day after day, first for his own sins, and then for the sins of the people. He sacrificed for their sins once for all when he offered himself. For t[b]he law appoints as high priests men in all their weakness[/b]; but the oath, which came after the law, appointed the Son, who has been made perfect forever.''
Concerning Abraham bein a priest,i think i should put some lines for you may be you will get the answers from there . See below:
Abraham knew God,spoke with God and also made sacrifices to God ! You have know who Abraham was now right ?

God help us

christemmbassey: see fraud everywhere, u dey do colabo with who? Pensiön fund scammers or oil subsidy thieves? Just like dat army thief gave sm of his loot to winners, colabo indeed.

See how you just dey call people thieves all over the places ! No body steal ur money and no man take ur name lie. Even if men dey lie concerning tithes and offerings,na in the name of God and not ur name. Why calling people thieves ? God go ask you o

God help us

Zikkyy: forget the scripture you quoting, am not sure you even understand it. @bolded, love for you is about the money/how to make the money

You hate money yet you can not stop working,hustling and asking people to assist you financially !
Bein wealthy is not all about the gospel but you can't successfully carry out the great commission without God providing these cash to assist ur work with HIM in the ministry ! Some steal the cash but God sure gives it to HIS chosen !

God help us

[quote author=Demain_man]OK, here is an analogy for you sir, SHOW ME WHERE IN THE BIBLE GOD SAY MAKE WE SELF-SERVICE. No wonder one 'Man in suit' said it is not a sin!![/quote]Oyakhilome never asked you to self service ! You hear one thing and interpret it to mean another ! Hear well and admonish well !
If you dnt undersatnd what he was trying to say,go and rewatch the video or you ask people to explain if you find it difficult to understand sayings!

God help us

[quote author=Demain_man]Why is it so difficult for you pastors to say 'I was wrong on something'? Is it because you want your mugus to see you as assistants GOD?

Even someone was comparing TITHE with playing musical instrument in the worship of GOD. Wait until you reach heaven or you dey see as people dey enjoy there from hell you will see better drums and pianos in heaven!!!

OK, here is an analogy for you sir, SHOW ME WHERE IN THE BIBLE GOD SAY MAKE WE SELF-SERVICE. No wonder one 'Man in suit' said it is not a sin!!

TITHE is a fraudlent practice. The bubble will eventually burst if not by this generation of Nigerians, definitely our children and their children will query it due to increased wisdom and knowledge and the muguness will stop.

Pastors are taking Nigerians for a ride big time. The more the churches, the more the suffering, Where is the 'I will open the window of blessings' that they use to catch the gullible in order to chop their money?[/quote]Do you think the issue of wether to tithe or not to tithe started today ? If that's what you think,you are wrong bro ! You know the issue of wether to put on trouser or not to put on trouser didn't start today,but at the end,where does it leave us? Some put it on and the others still say no and we all are still Christians ! People who tithe will tithe with better understanding after all these ur argument and God will appreciate them the more for doing just that ! God will not stop blessing his church;the pastors inclusive ! Come to think of it,the levetical order of tithing even limit tithers hence the admonition by Paul for us to tithe the Melchizedekal way !-Tithing out of Love to show appreciation to God for what HE is doing in our lives ! The pastors profess and confess the word of God regarding blessings unto us(body of Christ) and we ahve been sein it for real ! But if you are yet to be blessed man demain,just wait,be patient,be faithful for ur own time is coming !
God bless us all

Zikkyy: ..and who told you am a prophet? that's the 'koko' of your problem; inability to properly assess a situation or issue there is no way people like you will understand why they tithe i know for fact that your tithing is not because you love God

I have seen one God and holy spirit who knows all things ! You only know urself and can speak forurself and any other who employs or needs ur services ! If Christ say we should tithe,how come you are here trying to kill urself over what isn't for you ? Tithing is for the spiritually carried and Not for all ! If you can't tithe and don't want to,you can as well keep it in ur pocket or bans !

God help us

christemmbassey: ppl salaries don bcome spirit abi? U don cee y we dey call tithe collectors fraudsters?

How come na only tithe you see for there,you no see offerings ? Abi you too no dey give offering wen you go church ? My praises,worship and thanksgiving to God comes in different kinds but we for sure do colabo which is called TEHILLA ! The use of all forms of praise including tithes and offerings to praise and thank God !

God help us

christemmbassey: 1 quick question. Was melchizedek a priest or a highpriest? 2. Was Abraham a priest?

There are priests and high priests ! Men are priests and high priests as well : Jesus is a priest and also high priest ! The Law had priests and high priests as well. The reason Jesus' kind of priesthood was different from other kinds of Priesthood is just becos HE IS A PRIEST IN THE ORDER OF MELCHIZEDEK ! See below scripture for ur digest :
Hebrew 7:26-28''Such a high priest truly meets our need—one who is holy, blameless, pure, set apart from sinners, exalted above the heavens. Unlike the other high priests, he does not need to offer sacrifices day after day, first for his own sins, and then for the sins of the people. He sacrificed for their sins once for all when he offered himself. For t[b]he law appoints as high priests men in all their weakness[/b]; but the oath, which came after the law, appointed the Son, who has been made perfect forever.''
Concerning Abraham bein a priest,i think i should put some lines for you may be you will get the answers from there . See below:
Abraham knew God,spoke with God and also made sacrifices to God ! Who is he ?

God help us

christemmbassey: so in ur undastanding, priests are delegated to collect tithes from priests and then take it to d highpriest, by what means?

I DON DEY DOUBT UR SPIRITUALITY LONG TIME AGO ! But who am i to judge wey e be say person wey start today can over take some body wey don start some decades back ! How God dey take receive ur offerings,praises,worship and even wen you pray ? Just believe say HIM don hear you and done receive am from you shikenah ! No come dey trouble ur head with why,where,what and how HIM take receive am. Truly i know for sure that if u are not spiritual it is difficult to comprehend. I understand and pardon you for asking How ?

God help us

back2sender: I might even stop going to church finally because a lot of truths are been distorted and no more "holiness" ,morality/values ( attitude & dressing modestly) are been preached this days. every thing is money, money and money and competing with the things of the world.

Jesus don talk am say on the last days iniquity go yapka and say HIM dey doubt wether any one go still dey stand for am by the time wey HIM go return ? If you want to be like the five foolish virgins,go ahead for it's ur choice ! But my advise is for you to be wise like the other 5 virgins ! Get more than enough Light(WORD OF GOD)And make the holy spirit so full inside of you(oil for ur lamp)so that you go fit meet with the groom !

God help us

Bidam: So you no go give testimony for church if God heal you of disease abi? same principle applies.OFFERINGS ARE YOUR SUBSTANCE YOU HONOUR GOD TO SHOW APPRECIATION AND THE FAITHFULNESS OF GOD. IN church.

Bidam,you surprised me with this ur answer o ! When i saw the question i just they reason say where the answer dey self becos i know say bible complete and e no contradict itself at all as some people dey make am look today !
Thanks for this insight o becos Jesus no go talk one thing for here come talk another for there ! All of them dey nsync only if we fit spiritually discern am !

God help us

christemmbassey: sorry, i'm a priest, operating in the order of melchi, priests do not pay tithes to priests. And God has never commanded or delegated priests to collect tithes from other priests for him. God bless sir.

For using the word command,makes a mess of the grace /Melchizedekal order of tithing ! Was Abraham commanded when he brought this same tithe to Jesus in Genesis ? Was Jacob commanded when he vowed and 'eventually'brought this same tithe to God ? Was there Law then ? Who taught them how to tithe ? No man teaches any man becos it has been written already in our hearts ! We are priests just like Christ yet we pray to God in Jesus name ! Why not pray to God in ur own name since you are a priest like Jesus ! You make me laugh ,his man ! We tithe to the highest of all the priests who is our Lord Jesus Christ !

God help us

Goshen360: #1, I agree with you, you right.

#2. You wrong. Acts 15 was a coming together, an Apostlic convention.

#3. Are you a Pharisee? Those tithing in Mathew and Luke are both Pharisee, in both cases, no justification for them. In Christ, you are justified by his blood and by faith, not by works of the law.

For ur no 3,why didn't Jesus leave the pharisees to go ahead with the stoning of the adulterous woman ?
Why did Jesus not allow the people to continue with the issuance of divorce certificates to their divorced wives and also not allow them to continue with the Law that permit's divorce ? Instead Jesus said that in the beginning it was not so !
Why did Jesus condemn the way they observe the Sabbath ?

Christ came and rebuked the pharisees for the things they weren't doing well and corrected them on how best to do those things !
One of the was tithing ! They weren't tithing properly ! What do i mean by that ? They left out justice,faithfulness and mercy and continue to tithe thinking that was all but Christ said;NO ! You should tithe but do others as well ! If tithing was entirely dropped,i bet you Christ would had told them like HE did regarding other issues like washing of hands before eating,Sabath day worship as they carry it out then,divorce and the rest of them !
Love is the greatest of them all ! If i love God and want to tithe to show appreciation to God alongside other appreciations i render unto HIM,have i sinned ? NO ! But the sin is for you when you try to stop me from reverencing and appreciating God ! I perceive in my heart that God can't be happy with you but becos HE is a loving God,HE will forgive you when you repent of ur sins !
God help us

Rhymeyjohn: About tithe and the christians (knowing this stylishly meant new testament); please help me out on the following:
1. THERE IS NO SINGLE VERSE IN D ENTIRE BIBLE, WHERE CHRISTIANS ARE COMMANDED TO dance and beat drums in God's presence. Why do your church (most likely i presume) just as many others dance and beat drums today do so. Probably tithe is just the scape goat that needs to be avoided by christians?
2. THERE IS NO SINGLE VERSE IN D ENTIRE BIBLE, WHERE CHRISTIANS ARE COMMANDED TO hold conventions and conferences. some of you went futher to hold an e-convention. I never saw where peter nor paul did one, and they are our new testament examples, but tithe is just the problem for you.
3. Jesus says we shouldnt pass over judgment and love for God to tithe; another scripture say, love is the fufilling of the law. How excately does paying tithes (out of my loving volition) reduce my love for God? with scriptures.

I dnt do gang things expecially with the word of God but i must comend you for adding this knowledge(s)to my life !

God bless you

Goshen360: I like to appreciate all bible students who have refuted this new hang out that Jesus is Melchizedek. However, I will present a line by line exposition from the word later this week. It is an insult to Christ calling him Melchizedek. This is a new heresy by the pro-tithers.

You make me laugh with the highlighted above as if Jesus isn't my LORD too ! When in Daniel 3 we were told of Christ bein in the midst of the fire with the three Hebrew Children some of you like Condour said you will not believe it becos it was a pagan king that made the statement and i reminded Condour of the mad Man of Gadara that even the demon in HIM recognized the authority and sonship of Jesus how much more a pagan ! Even the Muslims say how can Jesus be the son of God ! So if you are here crying fowl becos i just opened ur eyes as was revealed to me that Jesus is Melchizedek and you are here screaming,how does that change the word of God ? If you like,put up a ten pages write up contradicting this revelation,how does that concern me when it is not my word but God's ! Is it not on this same forum i heard that there is no God ! Is it not on this same forum i heard that Jesus is not the son of God ! Was it not on this same forum that one man frosbel came to tell us that Jesus isn't God and has no semblance of God ! Was it not this forum i heard that Jesus is gay ! What have we not heard ? So go heard with ur write up to contradict the word of God,the world is waiting and people who will believe will believe and people who will not believe will not believe. Of a truth God want's all to make heaven but not all will make it !

God help us

ashieduplus: @Mko
This is part of the reason why ASUU are on strike. Our children no longer understand comprehension passages. Paul used Melchizedek as a simile for Jesus. It was just .a comparison. No wonder he says "another priest" in that Hebrews passage.

Besides, I have studied that passage in Several versions and analysed it (using my training as an English graduate/linguist) and I am pretty sure that Jesus is not Melchizedek.

Studying the scripture as an English or linguistic teacher won't help u at all ! You should hav said that the holy spirit guided you and you have come to the conclusion that Melchizedek isn't Christ ! It is the holy spirit who can help you not the knowledge or skills in English language ! You wonder why there are so many disagreement amongst Christians today ? The roman church believes differently from the Jehovah's withness,The Pentecostal believes different from the anglicans,the baptist believes differently from the Methodist,the seven days adventish believes differently from the celestial church and so many other differences ! The reason isn't far fetched-They might be English/linguistic gurus just like you hence the disagreements in the things of the spirit just becos they have decided to study the word of God with the human senses !

God help us

Zikkyy: Melchizedek is from the tribe of Judah?? oga, what exactly are you smoking?



If Melchi disappeared after collecting war boot.y, who received Abbie's tithe if he continued to tithe?

BTW what happened to the tithe of war boot.y? Melchizedek Christ took to heaven abi? i can just picture the tithe of live horse and donkeys running around in heaven today.

What you should have asked me was who received Jacob's tithe after all Melchizedek was not bodily present when he(Jacob)vowed to tithe !
What God does with our tithe does not concern us ! All we need is just give it ! What did God do with Jacob's tithe if i may ask you ? What will God do with ur offerings,praises,worship and thanksgiving ? Stop asking questions as if you are an atheist-Just do for God like the little kids would do !

God help us

christemmbassey: all christians are priests after the order of melchizedek n Jesus is d highpriest, so we will only pay tithe if u show us where our colleague(melchizedek) paid tithe to a highpriest. OMG, don't u undastand this thing, when Christ died, he was promoted above tithe, we, who accept Jesus were MADE to move up d ladder to d level of priests, so melchi is our colleague now, dö't u know "WE ARE BIGGER THAN ABRAHAM? I tot u said, u v rev, how come u miss this BIG one? Bros, i wish u know who a christian is, it will change so much about. God bless u. Sir

When Melchizedek (Jesus ) received the tithe from Abraham,dnt you know that God HIMSELF HAVE RECEIVED IT ! We are bigger than Abraham becos we are Christians (Christ in us) but definitely not bigger than Melchizedek no wonder Abraham who was the biggest then gave tithe to Melchizedek(Jesus) and was blessed by Melchizedek ! You see the reason we still tithe to Jesus till date ouit of our love for HIM !

GOD HELP US

Zikkyy: Who received Jacob's tithe? if he tithed, it means he offered it directly to God as burnt offering. So what is the lesson learnt from that?

Are you new in Christianity ! Who do you give ur offerings to when you go to church ? Do you burn it becos Abraham,Isaac and Jacob burnt theirs ? God help us. We give our tithe To God as we do with our offerings !

God help us

truthislight: Dont bother yourself, hebrew 7:8 ^ above makes it clear that "men who die no longer collect tithes" and your pastors are men who dies just like the Levites. So, their collection of tithes is fraudulent and in violation of the NT starndard.

Take note.

We don't tithe to our pastors becos they all die ! We tithe to Christ as Abraham did and also as Jacob did ! That is the reason we dnt care what the tithe is been used for ! We give to God as we also give our offerings to Him !

God help us

Pastor Kun: I remain convinced that this mko character is a professional merchandizer of the gospel or why else would he go to the extents he does to twist scripture.

@mko
Going by your daft logic that Melchizedek is Jesus just because the bible says there is no record of his death. Would you now going by your twisted mind say that Enoch and Elijah are also Jesus since they recorded never to have died but taken up to heaven directly.

The bible never said Melchizedek was taken up just like Enoch and Adeboye ! The bible had all their record and told us who they were JUST like it did concerning Melchizedek ! See below just very few of the things the bible said about Melchizedek :
Melchizedek was referred to as ''KING OF JUSTICE''- I don't know any other person who is king of Justice other than JESUS !
Melchizedek was refered to as ''KING OF PEACE''- I don't know any other person who is king of Peace other than JESUS !
Melchizedek was said to be one without BEGINNING AND END-I don't know any other person who is without BEGINNING AND END other than JESUS !Even ur Elijah and Enoch had begining and end like we all know
Melchizedek was said to be one who is a ''PRIEST FOREVER'' -i don't know any other who is a priest forever other than JESUS !
Melchizedek was said to have no father or mother !-Na JESUS(no let Mary and Joseph deceive you o )
Melchizedek's greatness was recognized by Abraham the father of all with the promise that even Melchizedek had to bless him!
Melchizedek' was not according to the law to receive tithe becos HE is neither from levetical or Aronic order yet HE received tithe !. Remember Jesus lineage wasn't expected to be king untill the prophesy came and it happened ! Same lineage (JUDAH)with Melchizedek !
Melchizedek blesses Abraham,one who has already received the promise of the blessing of God !
Pastors (priests i.e levetical or Aronic)will all die but Melchizedek lives forever !-NA only Jesus live Forever ! Jesus is still alive !
Hebrew said Melchizedek resembles the son of God ! (You remember when King of Babylon said that the fourth man in the fire resembles the son of God) !That Was Jesus and HE was also in the fire with Shedrach,Meshack and Abednego just like HE was with Abraham in Gen 14:18-20!
Melchizedek is the King of Salem(Jerusalem) Who was referred to as the King of Jerusalem other than Jesus !
Melchizedek brought out bread and wine and blessed Abraham. Who blessed wine and broke bread and shared to HIS disciples the night to HIS death?JESUS blessed HIS disciples the night to HIS death just like HE did to Abraham before HIS disappearance from the whole of the OT !

God open our eyes so we can see what you want us to see !

God help us

Pastor Kun: There no such thing called 'Melchizedek order of tithing' stop inventing terminologies to defraud people.

You don't know so it is difficult for you to comprehend ! If the bible says that there is Melchizedekal order of priesthood,just go find out what Melchizedek did and you will know if HE is same with our lord Jesus Christ !
This order is the grace order of tithing that Apostle Paul tried to explain to the spiritually dull as he calls them in Hebrews 5:11-14
HEBREWS 5:11-14
''There is much more we would like to say about this, but it is difficult to explain, especially since you are spiritually dull and don’t seem to listen. You have been believers so long now that you ought to be teaching others. Instead, you need someone to teach you again the basic things about God’s word.You are like babies who need milk and cannot eat solid food. For someone who lives on milk is still an infant and doesn’t know how to do what is right. Solid food is for those who are mature, who through training have the skill to recognize the difference between right and wrong.''

GOD HELP US

Candour: When we discuss tithing, its pertinent to note the following. This is to enable the discussion go linearly and not in circles like we are wont to have.

Abraham tithed War Spoils to Melchizedek. He travelled far to go war to recover Lot and it will take a lot of lying to prove he carried the tithe of his personal flock, farm produce along to the war hence we all Know he DIDN'T give of his personal fortune but Mosaic Tithing does not accept spoils of war as tithes. Rather God gave a different sharing formulae (Num 31:26-54).

Abraham tithed to a Priest-King but Isreal tithed to Levites, who then tithed to The family of the priests represented by Aaron.

Abrahamic and Mosaic Tithes are different in form and administration so let us be sure of which we are meant to practice today. We can't use one to justify the other because they are very different.

Abraham tithed once and HE NEVER passed on the practice to Isaac. There is no single record of Isaac giving tithes to anybody. The family of Abraham and his descendants were the only recorded worshipers of Yahweh at this period so no priest was available to collect any tithe on God's behalf. Even whenever Abraham sacrificed to God, he did himself for there was no priest to carry it out for him.You can only say Isaac tithed but wasn't recorded in scripture if you can show that Melchizedek appeared again and again to come keep the tithe ritual alive.

Jacob made a vow to tithe because it was not his regular practice. If it was what he did regularly, he won't try to force God's hands with it. Are you allowed to give God a condition today before you tithe? If God hadn't done what Jacob requested, he wouldn't have tithed . This shows nothing about love here but a necessary action to get a desire. Even at that, scripture is silent on whether he fulfilled it or not and how he did the fulfillment if at all he did.

Mosaic tithes was NEVER money even though money had always been in circulation then. Some Mosaic laws had elements of money in them e.g Ex 21:32, Lev 27:3-8. Even Abraham bought Sarah's burial site 500 years before Moses with Money so the story of money wasn't available then is simply not true.

Una get trouble well well o ! Have you asked urself why it was just spoils of War that Abraham tithed to Melchizedek as it was recorded ?
After the return of Abraham from war,the Mysterious Melchizedek came into focus ! Abraham tithed from what was given to him by God ! He did it out of Love and appreciation to the Almighty God for the victory and spoils of war given to HIM by God !
You said it was not recorded that Abraham's Children ever tithed ! And i say to you that you lack knowledge seein that his grandson Jacob tithed as some say he only vowed to tithe but it was not recorded that he did. But i ask you,'who introduced OR TAUGHT Jacob how to tithe since there were no Laws stating that anyone should tithe as at then ? His father Isaac or possibly his grand pa who tithed !
You said it was just spoils of war that Abraham tithed and i ask you'what did Jacob tithed or vowed to tithe? May be also spoils of war ?

Jacob has already been blessed by God but bein man that he was,he decided to enter a covenant with God becos HE knows God does not break covenants !
See below scripture to show you clearly that Jacob has already been blessed by God before he vowed just to seal it with God :
Genesis 28:12-15''He had a dream in which he saw a stairway resting on the earth, with its top reaching to heaven, and the angels of God were ascending and descending on it. There above it stood the Lord, and he said: “I am the Lord, the God of your father Abraham and the God of Isaac. I will give you and your descendants the land on which you are lying. Your descendants will be like the dust of the earth, and you will spread out to the west and to the east, to the north and to the south. All peoples on earth will be blessed through you and your offspring. I am with you and will watch over you wherever you go, and I will bring you back to this land. I will not leave you until I have done what I have promised you.”
See also below scripture to show you that it was after the above blessings that he vowed to tithe :
Genesis 28:20-22 ''Then Jacob made a vow, saying, “If God will be with me and will watch over me on this journey I am taking and will give me food to eat and clothes to wear so that I return safely to my father’s household, then the Lord will be my God and this stone that I have set up as a pillar will be God’s house, and of all that you give me I will give you a tenth.” He was already blessed before the vow but as human that he was,who knows that God don't break covenant,he decided to enter the covenant with God ! Ofcourse you and I Trust God to be faithful with HIS words not to talk of covenants ! I can on my own count it as an error on the part of Jacob for not believing on the words of blessings pronounced by God earlier,but trust,Jacob is human, what do you expect !
Concerning wether Jacob fulfilled his vow,is left for HIM . But i want to believe he did since we all believe that God blesses when HE promises to do so ! I want to believe God did not default as we can all see in the scriptures regarding how he protected and Blessed Jacob having changed his name to Israel ! So if Jacob no fulfill his own side of the matter,e concern am but him and him papa don lay the foundation already tay tay for us ! Becos it was recorded that Abraham tithed more than once to Melchizedek,does not make it to mean that tithing ended there after all we saw even his grand son Jacob tithing or vowing to tithe as it were !
You are still asking who we should tithe to since Abraham's tithe was to Melchizedek and Not God ! And I ask you who did Jacob vowed to tithe to ? My father or some evil spirit out there ? It was God who blessed him that he tithed to ! And besides,Abraham tithed to the preincarnate Christ !This one is difficult for you to swallow ba ?
Regarding tithing and money,please see below meaning of spoils of War and see if you can tithe any other thing other than casava and paw-paw:Besides i have educated you on this before but may be for those who are yet to be informed :
What do you think spoils of war means ? Just to help you a little,it is not compulsorily or most definitely farm produce or live stocks but Any profits extracted as the result of winning a war i.e houses,ships,gold,silver,bronze,petroleum products,CASH ETC.
See Scripture below to show you clearly from the bible what spoils could mean:
Joshua 6:18-19 “Do not take any of the things set apart for destruction, or you yourselves will be completely destroyed, and you will bring trouble on the camp of Israel. 19 Everything made from silver, gold, bronze, or iron is sacred to the Lord and must be brought into his treasury.” During the OT and even NT days,men and women were[b] predominantly[/b] farmers and not bankers ! ;DHence the tithing with mostly farm produce and not cash ! But i can still give one of my houses to God for a place of worship as TITHE ! Another difficult one for you right

When Hebrews said Jesus is the priest according to the order of Melchizedek and if you want to understand what that means just go check out what Melchizedek did in Genesis 14 and you will understand what Jesus did and is still doing in the body of Christ today !

God help us all

DrummaBoy: @ m.k.o2005

Hebrew 7 shows us that Christ's priesthood can be likened to that of Melchizedek and does not teach that Jesus is Melchizedek. Such conclusion can only be made by a pre conceived mindset and not from what scriptures says.

Jesus Priesthood had to be likened to Melchizedek to help the Hebrew readers appreciate who this Jesus was and to see that His priesthood was GREATER than than that of Aaron, so that the readers may appreciate this new covenant and NOT SO THAT THEY COULD BEGIN TO TITHE THEIR INCOME.

Hebrew 7 also shows clearly that this priesthood proceeds from Judah, a tribe that doesn't collect tithe. How Jesus didn't collect tithes on earth but now needs it in heaven is simply incredible.

The biggest errors of our times proceeds from so called revelations on scriptures people receive beyond what the text of scripture truly says.

BTW, there are no records of Jesus, his apostles, Paul, or any 1st gen leaders collecting tithes. When did this revelation then begin?

If you go through Hebrews 7 and still can't decode that Jesus is Melchizedek then you are part of the group apostle Paul calls 'the spiritually dull' in Hebrews 5:11-14 before he started with with this eye opener in Hebrews 7.
Hebrews 7:8 says ''The priests who collect tithes are men who die, so Melchizedek is greater than they are, because we are told that he lives on.'' If you can not use just Hebrews 7:8 to understand that this BEING Melchizedek is Christ then there is actually nothing i can do for u. The Aronic Priests in the OT under the Law collects tithes but are mere men who will eventually die but how come Melchizedek you say isn't a preincarnate Christ COLLECTED TITHE AND NEVER DIED ?- Una dey find am difficult to swallow wetin pass una, i understand but i no just fit help any one of una !
Jesus Priesthood had to be likened to Melchizedek to help the Hebrew readers appreciate who this Jesus was and to see that His priesthood was GREATER than than that of Aaron, so that the readers may appreciate this new covenant and begin to do what their father Abraham did ! Who tithed not under compulsion but as an appreciation out of Love for God ! Why did Paul not liken the priest hood of Jesus to another but Melchizedek the King of Righteousness,'The King of Peace' 'The one who lived Forever' The one who under the Law can never be a priest or tithe collector but collected tithe and still a high Priest forever of God !- Use ur head take know say There are no Forever Priest anywhere but Jesus. If you say Melchizedek isn't Christ then you are saying we have two forever high priest as it stand now ! If you say Melchizedek isn't Christ then we have two kings of Righteousness now,two kings of Peace now,two beings living forever now as priests,two beings that are the beginning and the end' !
Hebrews 7:20-25 also made it clear once again that Jesus is Melchizedek if not,it will be two beings today doing the work of Jesus !
How can you say Jesus never collected tithe on earth yet you quoted Hebrew 7 that ''also shows clearly that this priesthood proceeds from Judah, a tribe that doesn't collect tithe.'' Yet Jesus is from Judah and Melchizedek priesthood proceeds from Judah that is not suppose to collect tithe but HE did collected tithe !Does this not show us all that Jesus collected tithe even as it is against the LAW? Or you think God makes mistakes ! God want's us to get back to the period before the Law where Christ collected tithe as Melchizedek !
Hebrews 7:20-25
''This new system was established with a solemn oath. Aaron’s descendants became priests without such an oath, 21 but there was an oath regarding Jesus. For God said to him,“The Lord has taken an oath and will not break his vow: ‘You are a priest forever.’”Because of this oath, Jesus is the one who guarantees this better covenant with God. There were many priests under the old system, for death prevented them from remaining in office. But because Jesus lives forever, his priesthood lasts forever.Therefore he is able, once and forever, to save those who come to God through him. He lives forever to intercede with God on their behalf.'' This scripture again shows us clearly that Jesus is Melchizedek in the sense that HE is a Priest FOREVER just like Melchizedek. If Melchizedek is a different person,then it will mean that HE is not the only one occupying that office of Priest Forever ! This scripture shows us that there were many other Levetical priests but Death prevented them from continuing in that office but Melchizedek(Jesus) was different becos HE is still occupying that office until and after HIS return ! I dnt want to believe that One man some where is occupying same position with our Lord Jesus Christ ! God took an oath for this office.He took an oath to keep Jesus in this office of Forever priesthood and not for one other person some where to claim ownership of FOREVER priesthood other than Jesus ! You remember and if you can think,why Melchizedek brought out bread and wine before blessing Abraham ? This was exactly what HE did when HE brought out bread and wine before blessing HIS disciples the night of HIS death !
Any revelation received that contradicts the others in the bible will mean nothing but a quranic version ! God open eyes of Men to see what HE intends them to see but if it contradicts the others as written down,then it can not be from God ! It must not be popular for it to be real ! Popular opinion some times miss it just like we hear people and even the most famous religious leaders saying that we do not all need Christ to be saved,contrary to what the bible and Christ HIMSELF teaches !
It's just like saying that the bible and Christ teaches that one can divorce his/her spouse ONLY on the grounds of adultery ! But the bible /Christ never teaches us the above any where in the whole of the scriptures !
The letter killeth but the rhema giveth life ! You dnt have to believe for it to be true !

God help us

truthislight: Why are nontithers like billgate, Dangote, and all this world richest people richer than those that pay tithe ? and you said this below :



I laugh so many times for that ^ comment. Smh.

Who is supposed to be the rich here ?

Who is supposed to be the recipiant of the blessing for sowing of seed/tithing ?

Is it the pastor that should be getting richer or those that paid the tithe ?

Why is the blessing not showing on those that sow the seed ?

Is it no longer that one will reap what he sowed ?

Meanwhile, more then 1000 top richest people in this world are those that dont pay tithe and you people are still deceiving people till date ? Smh.

May your deceit live long with you.

Where did you guys get this notion that tithers aren't prosperous ?
Don't you know that tithing is an appreciation to God for what HE has ALREADY DONE for us ?
If i am to be blessed as one who serves the Lord,what happens to the pastors or could it mean they don't serve God and don't deserve to be blessed as well ?
1000 richest in the world are none tithers This shows that you do not know what riches mean ! The bible says we shouldn't envy people who dubiously enrich themselves ! And besides what you think is riches might not be after all irrespective of what Forbes thinks ! For you to say this 1000 richest in the the world are none tithers might not be true after all becos i heard that Dangote,a muslim once gave 1 billion naira to a church here in Nigeria and the church rejected it but he insisted saying that he knows the secrete of Christians reagarding sowing and reaping ! The church had no choice but to take the cash afterall the so called none believers are hustling and working seriously hard for the believers who know how to use this money for kingdom purpose
The atheists say Christians are been deceived concerning heaven and hell. They said the bible is a good work of fiction and there is no God anywhere ! So if you say i'm been deceived becos i give a meager 10 percent to God as one of the mediums i use to appreciate HIM,SO BE IT . After all the roman catholics wey people they accuse say them dey worship Mary never still stop till date how much more me wey dey do wetin dey bible !

God help us

truthislight: we are gentiles, and apostle paul said that, when he goes to the Jews, he acts as a Jew, when he goes to the gentiles, he acts as a gentile.

He apostle paul did not carry Jewish tithe to gentiles.

The law was given to the Jews principally and tithe to livitical priest.

The christian law that covers all the 613 of the Jews and over is 'LOVE'.

The 613 laws was was given to :

"He sheweth his word unto Jacob, his laws and his judgments unto Israel. He hath not dealt so with any other nation: and as for his judgments, they have not known them. Praise ye the LORD." (Psalm 147:19-20).

^
Tithe is not a christian thing.

The problem with anti -tithers is that you all think that the Law started or brought about tithing -How wrong ! Men have started tithing before the Law was given after the Exodus from Egypt. Tithing was again commanded durring the days of Law as it was borrowed from the Pre-Law days ! Jesus came again in the new testament days and commended the teachers and hearers to go ahead with tithing ! Jesus left and Paul explained again to the spiritually alert how we are to drop the Law type of tithing and cling unto the Pre-Law type of tithing which is the tithing by GRACE made available to us by the High priest in the order of Melchizedek !-Go check out wetin Melchizedek do for Genesis 14:18-20(HE brought out bread and wine,blessed Abraham and COLLECTED TITHE !) Abraham and his children weren't commanded to tithe by any Law becos there was no Law then.Neither were they commanded to tithe by any man for they tithed out of their LOVE for God to show appreciation for HIS goodness unto them !
So if you say LOVE,how come you can't tithe ? For to tithe is an act of Love and appreciation to God !

God help us

mbulela: 1. We are not under the law.

2. Since only Levetical and Aronical orders are allowed to collect tithes, how does that permit pastors to do same?

The Melchizedekal order of tithing allowed the new testament Christians to tithe out of Love for God ! We are not under the Law but tithing was never stopped at any time ! Be it Pre-Law,Durring the days of Law and even after the Law days ! Study ur bible guy.

God help us

swtchicgurl:
Who told you pentecostal christians aren't successful?

After you all will start complaining that 'successful pentecostals' are not helping the needy in the society, that they prefer to use their money to meet their own needs!

How can one satisfy men?! You get money, them go talk, you no get money, them go ask question!

Take note, it's not all about money.

By God's grace and His mercy, I am a living testimony of a successful Tither!

God bless you !
Let them continue to hate what is scriptural and swallow hook,line and sinker the traditions and doctrines of men !

God help us

[quote author=Demain_man]@swtchicgurl, Can you answer the question that debosky asked please?
What are the consequences of not tithing?[/quote]The consequences of not tithing is same as the consequences of not praising and worshipping God,not giving offerings,not helping the less privileges,not giving to the poor and widows and also not thanking God in all things !
Should we say becos we fellowship with other believers then we shouldn't have a one on one fellowship with God ? Or becos we help the less privileges,poor and widow then we should not support the work of God regarding furtherance of the gospel ? It's a wholistic package and no wonder Christ said to the scribes and the pharisees in the presence of HIS disciples in Mathew 23:23''What sorrow awaits you teachers of religious law and you Pharisees. Hypocrites! For you are careful to tithe even the tiniest income from your herb gardens, but you ignore the more important aspects of the law—justice, mercy, and faith. You should tithe, yes, but do not neglect the more important things.'' We have to do all along with the others !

God help us

shachris: Melchizedek Was Not the preincarnate Christ[size=14pt][/size]

No, Melchizedek was not the same person as Jesus, contrary to a rather popular notion that stems from a misunderstanding of certain passages in Hebrews 7.

Melchizedek is first mentioned in Genesis 14. Abram (later called Abraham), returning from the rescue of his nephew (Lot), encountered this ancient dignitary who was king of Salem (early Jerusalem; cf. Psa. 76:2).

In addition to being king, he was described as “priest of God Most High” (Gen. 14:18).

His stature is revealed in that he “blessed” Abraham (the greater always blesses the lesser), and to Melchizedek the patriarch paid tithes, i.e., gave to the king-priest a tenth of his spoils (the lesser tithes to the greater).

The writer of Hebrews uses this incident (together with a prophecy from Psalm 110), to demonstrate the superiority of the priesthood of Christ to that of the Levitical system (Heb. 7:4-10). Beyond that, there were some similarities between Melchizedek and Christ, so that it may be said that the former was a “type” (a picture or symbolic preview) of Jesus. That does not mean, however, that they were the same person. In fact, the sacred text indicates otherwise.
Christ was said to be a priest “after kata the order taxis of” Melchizedek (Heb. 5:6,10; 6:20; 7:11).

The Greek term taxis (order) suggests a similar “arrangement.” For example, just as Melchizedek was both a king and priest simultaneously, so Christ is as well (cf. Zech. 6:12-13; Heb. 1:3).

The preposition kata used with the accusative case suggests the sense of “in accordance with, corresponding to” (Daniel Wallace, Greek Grammar Beyond the Basics, Grand Rapids: Zondervan, 1996, p. 377). Hence a comparison is being drawn.
Melchizedek was “without father, without mother” (Heb. 7:3a).

The meaning is this: his divine role was not genealogically derived, not handed down from his parents. So, neither was Jesus’ priesthood determined by a physical lineage, as in the case of the Aaronic priests (Ex. 28:1; Num. 3:10).

Among the Tel el Armarna tablets (discovered in Egypt in 1887), there are several letters written to a Pharaoh from one Ebed-tob, who is called “king of Uru-Salim.” The Canaanite king tells the Egyptian ruler that he did not receive his reign from his father and mother, but it had been conferred upon him by “the Mighty King.” This helps to illustrate the phraseology in the book of Hebrews (see A.H. Sayce, “Melchizedek,” Dictionary of the Bible, James Hastings, Ed., Edinburgh: T.&T. Clark, 1908, III, p. 335).
Melchizedek’s administration was without “beginning of days” and “end of life” (Heb. 7:3b).

Again, the meaning is that his priesthood was not for a fixed term (as in the case of the Levitical priests). Under the Old Testament regime, priests began their service at the age of 30, and the Levites served from age 30 to 50 (cf. Num. 4:3ff; 8:24-25).

Apparently, however, there was no chronological limitation with reference to this “priest of Most High God” who reigned in Salem. Again, in this regard he foreshadowed Christ, who serves continually as our priest throughout the Christian age.
That Melchizedek was not the same person as Jesus is evident in that he is said to be “like unto” the Son of God (Heb. 7:3c).

The participle aphomoioo denotes a comparison (e.g., a “copy” or “facsimile” – J.H. Thayer, Greek-English Lexicon, Edinburgh: T.&T. Clark, 1958, pp. 89-90). The term becomes irrelevant if the two persons were the same in identity.

The point is made again in verse 15. Jesus is a priest after the “likeness” of Melchizedek. D.W. Burdick observes:

“The verb aphomoioo always assumes two distinct and separate identities, one of which is a copy of the other. Thus Melchizedek and the Son of God are represented as two separate persons, the first of which resembled the second” (“Melchizedek,” The International Standard Bible Encyclopedia – Revised, G.W. Bromiley, Ed., Grand Rapids: Eerdmans, 1986, Vol. 3, p. 313).

A distinction between Christ and Melchizedek is vividly seen in Psalm 110.

In this text, Jehovah addresses David’s “Lord” (Jesus) in the second person, while the reference to Melchizedek is in the third person (v. 4). [Note: See Matthew 22:42-44 for Jesus’ application of this psalm to himself.]

Accordingly, one should not make the mistake of identifying the ancient king-priest of Salem as Jesus Christ.

The Mystery of Melchizedek !


FEW MYSTERIES of the Bible have attracted more interest than the mystery of the identity of Melchizedek as Hewbert put's it !
Sahchris,you are taking us backwards ! Who is he?
See below from Hewbert :
You will read in Hebrews 6:19-20 that Jesus Christ, after His resurrection, is High Priest "after the order of Melchizedek." The plainer English of the Moffatt translation words it: ". . with the rank of" that is, equal status with "Melchizedek."

Melchizedek Was God's Priest for sure !

First, notice from both Old and New Testaments that the man of mystery, Melchizedek, was a priest of the Most High God. Turn 'low to the account in Genesis 14. During the war between a number of ancient city-states in Canaan and Mesopotamia, Abraham's nephew Lot had been captured. He and his family and goods were carted off.

One of their number escaped and brought the news to Abraham, who armed 318 of his own servants and pursued the invaders to what was later named Dan and beyond. Abraham rescued Lot and his family and returned them safely to the Canaanite cities.

On Abraham's return 'a man of mystery bursts upon the scene'. Abraham was ministered to by Melchizedek.

Here is the account:

"And Melchizedek king of Salem brought out bread and wine; he was priest of God Most High. And he [Melchizedek] blessed him [Abraham] and said, 'Blessed be Abram by God Most High, maker of heaven and earth; and blessed be God Most High, who has delivered your enemies into your hand!' And Abram gave him [Melchizedek] a tenth of everything" that is, a tithe of all, for a tithe means a tenth (Genesis 14:18-20, RSV).

Notice that Melchizedek was king of Salem. That is the city of Jerusalem. "Salem" comes from the Hebrew word meaning "peace." That would make Melchizedek the "King of Peace" (Hebrews 7:2''Then Abraham took a tenth of all he had captured in battle and gave it to Melchizedek. The name Melchizedek means "king of justice," and king of Salem means "king of peace.". The Hebrew name Melchizedek itself means "King of Righteousness" (Hebrews 7:2). The same individual is mentioned in Psalm 110:4. Speaking prophetically of Christ, David stated: "The Eternal hath sworn, and will not repent, Thou art a priest forever after the order of Melchizedek." This verse is quoted again in Hebrews 5:6, 10.
Before we turn to Hebrews for the identification of Melchizedek, remember that this mystery figure is a mystery only to us. Abraham and the King of wicked Sodom knew exactly who he was. They must have seen him before. He could not have been a Canaanite, for they were steeped in pagan customs. And furthermore Canaan was a descendant of Ham, whereas God basically chose the descendants of Shem to accomplish His work.

Then who is the mystery man Melchizedek?

One other hint before we proceed. The land of Canaan from ancient time, before the days of Moses, was known among the Gentiles as "the divine land" the Holy land" the land of the place of worship!" Why? Was there someone in the Holy Land who was divine, holy, worthy of worship?

The Mystery Clears !

Coming to Hebrews 7, we find Melchizedek identified:

"For this Melchizedek, king of Salem, priest of the most high God, who met Abraham returning from the slaughter of the kings, and blessed him; to whom also Abraham gave a tenth part of all; first being by interpretation King of righteousness, and after that also King of Salem, which is, King of peace" (Hebrews 7:1-2).

Since God names individuals what they are, that, then is what this man is.. "King of Righteousness."

Think of it! King of Righteousness. !

Jesus Himself said: "There is none good but one, that is, God" (Matthew 19:17). Human self-righteousness is, before God, as filthy rags. None can be righteous but God—or one made righteous by God's power—Christ in a person! And certainly none but One of the Godhead the divine Kingdom of God would be King of Righteousness. Such an expression, applied to any but God, would be blasphemous. Why?

Righteousness is obedience to God's Law. Since God made all laws (James 4:12), He is Supreme Ruler or King. He determines what righteousness is. "All thy commandments are righteousness" (Psalm 119:172). When speaking of one of the points of that Law, Jesus placed Himself superior to it. He is Lord of the Sabbath (Mark 2:28). No man is Lord or King over God's Law. Only God could be! All human beings have sinned and broken that Law of righteousness (Romans 3:23).

To continue with Hebrews 7. Note, too, that this man was King of peace. "Salem" from which Jerusalem was named means "peace." And remember, Jesus is called the Prince of peace! No human being could be King of Peace. Men know not the way of peace. Read Romans 3:10 and 17: "There is none righteous, no, not one.... And the way of peace have they not known."

Observe further: Melchizedek was "without mother, without father, without descent," or as the Phillips translation renders it: "He had no father or mother and no family tree." He was not born as human beings are. He was without father and mother. This does not mean that Melchizedek's records of birth were lost. Without such records human priests could not serve (Ezra 2:62). But here Melchizedek had no genealogy. He must not have been an ordinary mortal. He had no descent or pedigree from another, but was self-existent. Notice Paul's own inspired interpretation of this fact: "Having neither beginning of days, nor end of life" (Hebrews 7:3). Therefore He has always existed from eternity! He was not even created, like angels. But He is now eternally self-existing. And that is true only of GOD deity, not humanity!

Melchizedek is Not the Father Nor the Holy Spirit !

Yet Melchizedek cannot be God the Father. He was the "priest of that Most High God." Scripture says no man has ever seen the Father (John 1:18, 5:37), but Abraham saw Melchizedek. He cannot be God the Father, but rather, "made like unto the Son of God; abideth a priest continually" (Hebrews 7:3).Meaning HE is still a priest even today becos HE is said to be a priest Forever who never died

And there it is! In the days of Abraham, He was not the Son of God, for He had not yet been born of the virgin Mary but He was made like unto the Son of God in His manifestation to the ancients.

Notice again: Melchizedek, this scripture reveals, abides that is, remains permanently, continually, a priest. God the Father is not the Priest of God, but Christ the Son is! Yet, in the days when the Apostle Paul lived and wrote, shortly after Jesus ascended to heaven as High Priest, the scripture states that even then Melchizedek "abideth "—which means does now abide—"a priest continually." The Moffatt translation states it: "continues to be priest permanently" even while Jesus Christ is High Priest!

And notice that the order of Christ's Priesthood is named after Melchizedek. It is the High Priest's name that is placed upon an order just as Aaron's name was upon the Aaronic priesthood. Thus Melchizedek was then High Priest, in Paul's day, and even now, and He will rule forever! [/b]And at the same time Christ was, is today, and shall be forever High Priest!

Are there two High Priests'? No! Impossible! The conclusion is inescapable. Contrary to many cherished man-thought-out ideas, [b]Melchizedek and Christ are one and the same! Some people have stumbled on the statement that Melchizedek has no "end of life." They contend that since Christ died, He had an end of life! If that be true then Christ is still dead! But Christ is not dead. He is alive. It was not possible for Christ to be held by death (Acts 2:24). Melchizedek would never have fulfilled His office of High Priest if He had not died for the sins of the people and risen again. It is the function of the High Priest to lead the way to salvation.

Indeed, Jesus Christ is the author and finisher of our salvation (Hebrews 5:9; 12:2). He is "called of God an high priest after the order of Melchizedek" (Hebrews 5:10).

And no wonder. Melchizedek and Christ are one and the same Person!''
Shachris and Miwerk,i decided to put up the above for both of you becos the others hav seen this prior to this time but they still refuse to admit openly yet they can not disproof all that i have been saying becos it is nothing but the scripture .
Make a research on theophany and Christophany,it will help u understand more. Please see below :

''A Christophany is an appearance of the preincarnate Christ in the Old Testament, or after his ascension.-Web definition.
''A Theophany is a manifestation of God in the Bible that is tangible to the human senses. In its most restrictive sense, it is a visible appearance of God in the Old Testament period, often, but not always, in human form.
Some of the theophanies are found in these passages:

1. Genesis 12:7-9 – The Lord appeared to Abraham on his arrival in the land God had promised to him and his descendants.

2. Genesis 18:1-33 – One day, Abraham had some visitors: two angels and God Himself. He invited them to come to his home, and he and Sarah entertained them. - a Christophany, a pre-incarnate appearance of Christ.

3. Genesis 32:22-30 – Jacob wrestled with what appeared to be a man, but was actually God (vv. 28-30). This may also have been a Christophany.-Christ

4. Exodus 3:2 - 4:17 – God appeared to Moses in the form of a burning bush, telling him exactly what He wanted him to do.-Theophany

5. Exodus 24:9-11 – God appeared to Moses with Aaron and his sons and the seventy elders.-Theophany

6. Deuteronomy 31:14-15 – God appeared to Moses and Joshua in the transfer of leadership to Joshua.

7. Job 38–42 – God answered Job out of the tempest and spoke at great length in answer to Job’s questions.-Theophany

Frequently, the term “glory of the Lord” reflects a theophany, as in Exodus 24:16-18; the “pillar of cloud” has a similar function in Exodus 33:9. A frequent introduction for theophanies may be seen in the words “the Lord came down,” as in Genesis 11:5; Exodus 34:5; Numbers 11:5; and 12:5.
Every theophany wherein God takes on human form foreshadows the incarnation, where God took the form of a man to live among us as Emmanuel, “God with us” (Matthew 1:23).

IF HEBREWS WOULD SAY ''There is no record of his father or mother or any of his ancestors--no beginning or end to his life. He remains a priest forever, resembling the Son of God.'' How then do you still argue HIS person !
Daniel 3:24-25'' Then King Nebuchadnezzar was astonished; and he rose in haste and spoke, saying to his counselors, “Did we not cast three men bound into the midst of the fire?”They answered and said to the king, “True, O king.” “Look!” he answered, “I see four men loose, walking in the midst of the fire; and they are not hurt, and the form of the fourth is like the Son of God'' This is another Christophany and if i conclude that Christ was actually in the burning furnace with the three hebrew children would that be heresy or blasphemy ? Open ur eyes Shachris or be left with this saying of Apostle Paul :
Hebrews 5:11-14''There is much more we would like to say about this, but it is difficult to explain, especially since you are spiritually dull and don’t seem to listen. You have been believers so long now that you ought to be teaching others. Instead, you need someone to teach you again the basic things about God’s word.You are like babies who need milk and cannot eat solid food.For someone who lives on milk is still an infant and doesn’t know how to do what is right. Solid food is for those who are mature, who through training have the skill to recognize the difference between right and wrong.''

God help us

Mark Miwerds: I did not say Jesus was Melchizedek. Nor do I believe that He was Melchizedek.

Scripture is quite clear that He cannot be Melchizedek.

Hebrews 7:3 Without father, without mother, without descent, having neither beginning of days, nor end of life; but made like unto the Son of God; abideth a priest continually.

Melchizedek was made "like unto", or resembling the Son of God. Notice other verses that use such comparisons:

Matthew 11:16 But whereunto shall I liken this generation? It is like unto children sitting in the markets, and calling unto their fellows,

Were the people of Jesus' generation children? Of course not!

Matthew 13:45 Again, the kingdom of heaven is like unto a merchant man, seeking goodly pearls:

Is the kingdom of Heaven a merchant man? Again, the answer is NO!

Matthew 23:27 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye are like unto whited sepulchres, which indeed appear beautiful outward, but are within full of dead men's bones, and of all uncleanness.

Were the scribes and Pharisees tombs? No!

Similitudes are used throughout the Scripture. Melchizedek's comparison to Christ is one such similitude. He was not Jesus Christ.

We who are Christ's have been brought into a new covenant. Scripture does not say we were brought into the old covenant with the Mosaic/Levitic Law. Nor does it say that we were brought into a covenant made with Melchizedek. (if indeed there was such a covenant) No, we aare in a "new covenant." One that did not exist previously. Had it existed previously, it would not be called "NEW".

Where, in the NEW COVENANT, are we instructed to tithe our money? Don't return to the Law for the answer. Don't return to Melchizedek for the answer. We are not in those covenants. We are in a New Covenant with Jesus Christ.

Where does He say "tithe money"?

See ur quote below :
''As pointed out, the tithes Jesus is said to have received in Hebrews 7:8 were agricultural in nature... not money. Agricultural tithes were still being received in 66 A.D..''
Just to start with the above quote for clarity sake,but since you are refusing ur own comment,i can not force it on you !
But please study Hebrews and Genesis very well and spiritually discern who Melchizedek is likened to !
Jesus is the high priest according to the order of Melchizedek was mentioned seven times in Hebrews alone. Do you think it's for furn !

Hebrews 5:6''And in another passage God said to him, "You are a priest forever in the order of Melchizedek."
Hebrews 5:10''And God designated him to be a High Priest in the order of Melchizedek.''
Hebrews 6:20''where Jesus has gone as a forerunner on our behalf, having become a high priest forever after the order of Melchizedek.''
Hebrews 7:11''If perfection could have been attained through the Levitical priesthood--and indeed the law given to the people established that priesthood--why was there still need for another priest to come, one in the order of Melchizedek, not in the order of Aaron?''
Hebrews 7:15''This change has been made very clear since a different priest, who is like Melchizedek, has appeared.''
Hebrews 7:17 ''And the psalmist pointed this out when he prophesied, "You are a priest forever in the order of Melchizedek."
Hebrews 7:21 ''but there was an oath regarding Jesus. For God said to him, "The LORD has taken an oath and will not break his vow: 'You are a priest forever.'"

Now from the above,who do you think this scripture is referring to ? No other person but Jesus ! Who do you think Melchizedek is ? Remember he is called the king of Salem which was later named Jerusalem. Who was crucified becos they called HIM king of Jerusalem or the Jews as it were ?-Jesus.
Melchizedek was referred to as King of Justice-Jesus is the only king of Justice we have. Melchizedek was called the king of peace! It is only Jesus who is the king of peace. No man ever remained a priest for Ever [/b]other than Jesus but Melchizedek was said to had remained a priest forever. Infact the book of Hebrews said [b]HE resembled the son of God ! According to the law,if you are not from the Levetical or Aronical order you can't take tithe but Melchizedek collected tithe from Abraham and this is the reason we give tithe today to Jesus.Abraham did it to lay the foundation of the tithing principle today not according to laws of exodus,deuteronomy,leveticus or even Malachi. Malachi showed us the blessings there is and God want's to do more for us no wonder HE want's us to praise,give thanks for the ones HE has done already !
IF YOU WANT TO KNOW WHAT MELCHIZEDEK DID AND IS STILL DOING TODAY,VISIT GENESIS 14:18-20 AND IF YOU WANT TO KNOW WHO HE IS,VISIT HEBREWS 7 !

God bless us