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brocab:
The tithing message shouldn't be preached in churches, it was a law made so the levities can be fed, the lord said:

Tithing was first out of a man's freewill(GRACE)-Genesis 14:20''And blessed be the most high God, which hath delivered thine enemies into thy hand. And he gave him tithes of all.''
Tithing was second as a covenant- Genesis 28:22 Jacob said...''And this memorial pillar I have set up will become a place for worshiping God, and I will present to God a tenth of everything he gives me." and in verse 20 of the same book and chapter,see what Jacob said: Then Jacob made a vow, saying, “If God will be with me and will keep me in this way that I go, and will give me bread to eat and clothing to wear, But before these statements of Jacob to God,see below God's promises to God to show you the covenant they both entered:

Gen 28:13-15-''At the top of the stairway stood the LORD, and he said, “I am the LORD, the God of your grandfather Abraham, and the God of your father, Isaac. The ground you are lying on belongs to you. I am giving it to you and your descendants.Your descendants will be as numerous as the dust of the earth! They will spread out in all directions—to the west and the east, to the north and the south. And all the families of the earth will be blessed through you and your descendants.What’s more, I am with you, and I will protect you wherever you go. One day I will bring you back to this land. I will not leave you until I have finished giving you everything I have promised you.”
Tithing lastly copied as a Law and this is where you hear in the book of Malachi God speaking concerning tithing as a Law Just as it was given to Moses in the book of Exodus practiced through leveticus,deuteronomy and the rest. But the bible says that the Law isn't the real deal but a shadow of that which is to come. And what is that which is to come ? It is that which was before the coming of the Law. Jesus has been in existent before the Law was introduced. Remember Christ telling his apostles that in the begining there was no Law of divorce until it was given by Moses. In the begining people were not commanded to give their tithes as Abraham,Isaac andJ acob id because there was no Law then but they gave their tithes.
THE BIG QUESTION FOR ALL OF US WHICH IF ANYONE CAN ANSWER ME NOW,THEN I WILL QUIT THIS TITHING ENLIGHTENMENT CAMPAIGN: Since there was no Law in the days of Abraham,Isaac and Jacob because the law came only in Exodus with Moses,who then commanded them to tithe? Where did they learn tithing from? Who did they tithe or vowed to tithe to because there were no levites then?

God help us

Dan1cole:
Well, I honestly dont care what you guys say, neither do I care about you theological analysis ... All I know is I will give my tithe as I am blessed by God and Malachi 3:10-12 will be fullfilled in my life. Remember, Luke 6:38 says 'Give, and it shall be given unto you ... (you know the rest).' #GodBless

Tithing was first out of a man's freewill(GRACE)-Genesis 14:20''And blessed be the most high God, which hath delivered thine enemies into thy hand. And he gave him tithes of all.''
Tithing was second as a covenant- Genesis 28:22 Jacob said...''And this memorial pillar I have set up will become a place for worshiping God, and I will present to God a tenth of everything he gives me." and in verse 20 of the same book and chapter,see what Jacob said: Then Jacob made a vow, saying, “If God will be with me and will keep me in this way that I go, and will give me bread to eat and clothing to wear, But before these statements of Jacob to God,see below God's promises to God to show you the covenant they both entered:

Gen 28:13-15-''At the top of the stairway stood the LORD, and he said, “I am the LORD, the God of your grandfather Abraham, and the God of your father, Isaac. The ground you are lying on belongs to you. I am giving it to you and your descendants.Your descendants will be as numerous as the dust of the earth! They will spread out in all directions—to the west and the east, to the north and the south. And all the families of the earth will be blessed through you and your descendants.What’s more, I am with you, and I will protect you wherever you go. One day I will bring you back to this land. I will not leave you until I have finished giving you everything I have promised you.”
Tithing lastly copied as a Law and this is where you hear in the book of Malachi God speaking concerning tithing as a Law Just as it was given to Moses in the book of Exodus practiced through leveticus,deuteronomy and the rest. But the bible says that the Law isn't the real deal but a shadow of that which is to come. And what is that which is to come ? It is that which was before the coming of the Law. Jesus has been in existent before the Law was introduced. Remember Christ telling his apostles that in the begining there was no Law of divorce until it was given by Moses. In the begining people were not commanded to give their tithes as Abraham,Isaac andJ acob id because there was no Law then but they gave their tithes.
THE BIG QUESTION FOR ALL OF US WHICH IF ANYONE CAN ANSWER ME NOW,THEN I WILL QUIT THIS TITHING ENLIGHTENMENT CAMPAIGN: Since there was no Law in the days of Abraham,Isaac and Jacob because the law came only in Exodus with Moses,who then commanded them to tithe? Where did they learn tithing from? Who did they tithe or vowed to tithe to because there were no levites then?

God help us

brocab:
The one thing I have asked is discernment. The tithing message shouldn't be preached in churches, it was a law made so the levities can be fed, the lord said: give. Its best to give, then to receive. Tithers are looking for a blessing, prosperity pay-back," we already are blessed. Jesus didn't condemn the tithe, but he didn't preach on it either, but changed that old covenant to a new one, Again in Hebrews 8-8 Because finding {FAULT} with them, he say's: behold the day's are coming," say's the lord," when I will make a new covenant with the house of ISRAEL and the house of JUDAH. Was not Israel the place where the levites were paid tithes? Are we seeds of Abram,{Abraham} and Abram gave all from the spoils of war, goods that didn't belong to him, so this clearly shows we need to follow Abram seed, he gave all, Luke 21, the poor widow gave all what she had, not a tithe which means a tenth which is a percentage. Is that all the lord's worth to you? Jesus would quote every other commandment we must follow, but not tithing, but giving as Abram gave all. And as you say, How can Jesus take tithes the way the levities did? when he is not from that order, Then if Jesus is of the order of Melchizedek, then as Abram gave all, we must give all, not the tithe. Luke 11-42. This is why the lord" changed the law. {Covenant} The pharisees were tithing, but they weren't following the commandments. So Jesus had to change the covenant. And today's tithers,{preachers} are much the same as the pharisees for they love to sit in the best seats in the churches same as the Pharisees in the synagogues, wouldn't eat with sinners, neither tax collectors, or be that good Samaritan, but leaving a beating up man laying in the street to die. Jesus had to change the laws and covenant..

Tithing was first out of a man's freewill(GRACE)-Genesis 14:20''And blessed be the most high God, which hath delivered thine enemies into thy hand. And he gave him tithes of all.''
Tithing was second as a covenant- Genesis 28:22 Jacob said...''And this memorial pillar I have set up will become a place for worshiping God, and I will present to God a tenth of everything he gives me." and in verse 20 of the same book and chapter,see what Jacob said: Then Jacob made a vow, saying, “If God will be with me and will keep me in this way that I go, and will give me bread to eat and clothing to wear, But before these statements of Jacob to God,see below God's promises to God to show you the covenant they both entered:

Gen 28:13-15-''At the top of the stairway stood the LORD, and he said, “I am the LORD, the God of your grandfather Abraham, and the God of your father, Isaac. The ground you are lying on belongs to you. I am giving it to you and your descendants.Your descendants will be as numerous as the dust of the earth! They will spread out in all directions—to the west and the east, to the north and the south. And all the families of the earth will be blessed through you and your descendants.What’s more, I am with you, and I will protect you wherever you go. One day I will bring you back to this land. I will not leave you until I have finished giving you everything I have promised you.”
Tithing lastly copied as a Law and this is where you hear in the book of Malachi God speaking concerning tithing as a Law Just as it was given to Moses in the book of Exodus practiced through leveticus,deuteronomy and the rest. But the bible says that the Law isn't the real deal but a shadow of that which is to come. And what is that which is to come ? It is that which was before the coming of the Law. Jesus has been in existent before the Law was introduced. Remember Christ telling his apostles that in the begining there was no Law of divorce until it was given by Moses. In the begining people were not commanded to give their tithes as Abraham,Isaac andJ acob id because there was no Law then but they gave their tithes.
THE BIG QUESTION FOR ALL OF US WHICH IF ANYONE CAN ANSWER ME NOW,THEN I WILL QUIT THIS TITHING ENLIGHTENMENT CAMPAIGN: Since there was no Law in the days of Abraham,Isaac and Jacob because the law came only in Exodus with Moses,who then commanded them to tithe? Where did they learn tithing from? Who did they tithe or vowed to tithe to because there were no levites then?

God help us

brocab:
If Jesus wanted us to tithe, after he had changed the old to the new covenant, then Jesus being high priest, would have received tithes while preaching. like the levities did.

How can Jesus take tithe the way the levites did when he is not from that order(levetical order) ! He is of the order of melchizedek and that same order DOES NOT COMMAND TITHE but receives it when presented freely ! Jesus never in anyway or part of the scripture condemned tithe,rather he approves it but said they shouldn't see it as the all in all ! When Jesus talked about the widow who gave the highest in the synagogue in Luke 21:3 just as he talked about the tithers in luke 11:42''..... You should tithe, yes, but do not neglect the more important things.'' Did you hear him again after that saying we should give offerings in church to support the offering we take to church today ? Ask God for wisdom and discernment then you will receive from the Lord.

God help us

See the conclusion below :
See below frequently asked questions:

1. Will TITHING give me eternal life?
2. What is the importance of TITHING apart from the fact that you will be blessed here on earth which is not exclusive to tithers in any case?
3. Will my not TITHING mean I go to HELL?
4. Will GOD be angry with me for not TITHING, And if he will be what will be my punishment ?
5. Don’t tell me tithing is kingdom principle. If you say it is, is there punishment for non adherence to those principles?
6. Should I continue to pay my tithe when it’s obvious that these so called ‘men of God’ use for their personal aggrandizement?
7. Was tithe ever for showing appreciation to God? if yes, where can this be found in the bible?
8.The tithe of old was a necessity because the priests then were barred from working nor owning any property in the land, so they depended on the FRUITS/FOODS brought to the church by the other 11 tribes (TRUE or FALSE)?
9. Was tithe ever paid with money during the time of old either by Abraham, the other 11 tribes or whoever in the Old Testament?
10. Why did Jesus or any of his disciples not pay tithe while alive in the flesh, if they did, any "precise" chapter and verse to buttress this claim?

See below answers to the above questions:

Will TITHING give me eternal life? -Tithing does not give eternal life as offering of any kind or going to church cannot give you eternal life! What guarantees eternal life is accepting Jesus as ur Lord and personal savior.
What is the importance of TITHING apart from as you put it blessing here on earth which is not exclusive to tithers in any case?- The importance of tithing is not to receive blessings here on earth BUT ONE OF THE NUMEROUS CHANNELS TO BE APPRECIATIVE TO GOD FOR ALL HE HAS DONE FOR YOU AND COULD BE A SUPPORT FOR THE FURTHERANCE OF THE GOSPEL !
Will my not TITHING mean I will go to HELL? IF you don't pray, praise or worship God does not mean you will not go to heaven. What takes one to heaven is the grace of the Almighty God. The grace enables one even to accept Christ for him to be saved. If you tithe 100 percent and continue to live in sin, if the grace does not speak for you, you are hell bound already. Tithing does not save any one but it sure shows that we love and are appreciative to God!
Will GOD be angry with me for not TITHING? And if he will be what will be my punishment? As it's a free will to accept Christ so is it a free will to tithe. But God isn't happy as people live in sin and refuse to believe in HIS son Jesus. God has put HIS evidence of existence in the hearts of Men and has used HIS creation to also indict men (atheists) so there will be no excuse for them on the day of Judgement. This is exactly what God has done for us all regarding tithing but HE will not punish any man for not tithing but SURE there is a reward as there is a reward for soul winners! Remember he said he that wins a soul is wise but that does not mean those who never won souls will not make it into heaven but there is reward even in heaven for those who did the extras!
Don’t tell me it is kingdom principle. If you say it is, are there punishment for non adherence to those principles.- Tithing is a kingdom principle in the sense that it will never deter you from making it into heaven for Christ has taken care of salvation but we all need to activate our stored up blessings if not they will lie fallow till Jesus comes. Lazarus the poor man with sores all over his body can tell you better. He ‘failed’ to activate some of these principles but he made it into heaven anyways! God's desire for us isn't to live our lives like Lazarus, wretched, battered, beggarly,stinking with sore infested body! That wasn't what Christ died for!
The choice is yours after all why we are happy is because we are heavenly bound!
Should I continue to pay my tithe when it’s obvious that these so called ‘men of God’ use for their personal aggrandizement? - The tithe is not ours in the first place but God’s! It was first God before it got to us.1 Corinthians 10:26 and Psalm 24:1.When we bring our tithes before the lord, let’s not have the perception that we are giving to man but God. Take your tithes to God with praises and thanks in appreciation and not drop it in the tithe box or tray and give a long stare at it as it’s been taken into the room for counting for God loves a cheerful giver!
Should we continue to ordain priests in the church knowing well that priests abuse male and female under aged kids? Let’s answer for ourselves if all priests are guilty of these very accusations! This is how it is with tithe-Not all ‘men of God’ are thieves !
Was tithe ever for showing appreciation to God, if yes, where can this be found in the bible?-Yes tithe could be used for showing appreciation. It can be found in Genesis 14:18-20 and Genesis 28:12-15 and Genesis 28:20-22.Abraham gave tithe to Melchizedek after his victory in the recovery of his nephew lot, family and properties. He won the battle and gave tithe to Melchizedek in appreciation for the victory. Jacob also vowed to appreciate God with his tithe if God will be faithful to his promises of protection and provision. Though the bible never later stated that Jacob redeemed the vow of tithing to God but we want to believe that he did because we know God was faithful to his own part of the covenant!
The tithe of old was a necessity because the priests then were barred from working nor owning any property in the land, so they depended on the FRUITS/FOODS brought to the church by the other 11 tribes (TRUE or FALSE)?-IT’S FALSE When you want to follow the Jesus (Melchizedekal order of tithing) kind of tithing that is still strange to most of us after all the explanation done by the writer of Hebrews! But if you like to follow the abolished levetical order of tithing, then it's TRUE!
Was tithe ever paid with money during the time of old either by Abraham, the other 11 tribes or whoever in the Old Testament? Tithe especially the Melchizedekal order of tithing allows us to tithe on anything we deem fit to show appreciation to God! Abraham gave a tenth of all he got from war (spoils of war) There could be cash, ram, turkey, gold, silver, bronze and so on. What do we think spoils of war means ?Spoils of war is not compulsorily or most definitely farm produce or live stocks but Any profits extracted as the result of winning a war i.e houses, ships, gold, silver, bronze, petroleum products, cash ETC.
See Scripture below to show us clearly from the bible that spoils of war is all encompassing:
Joshua 6:18-19 “Do not take any of the things set apart for destruction, or you yourselves will be completely destroyed, and you will bring trouble on the camp of Israel. Everything made from silver, gold, bronze, or iron is sacred to the Lord and must be brought into his treasury.” Archan stole gold,silver and robe which were God’s in Joshua 7:23. Jacob vowed to give tithe of ALL THAT HE POSSESS to the lord in Genesis 28:22b ‘’ ......and I will present to God a tenth of everything he gives me.”! This also goes to show that I can tithe of all my possession including, landed properties as a real estate investor and also of my goods in the market place including my cash since they are part of all I possess as was given to me by God.

Why did Jesus or any of his disciples not pay tithe while alive in the flesh, if they did, any "precise" chapter and verse to buttress this claim?-Jesus admonished the scribes and Pharisees to continue to teach and pay their tithes but place Justice, mercy and faith as priorities! This HE did in the presence of HIS disciples in Mathew 23:23 and Luke 11:42! Jesus HIMSELF received tithe in Genesis 14:18-20 as a christophany but most of us fail to comprehend this revelation hence the essence of Hebrews 7:1-19! Jesus did not receive the levetical order kind of tithing because HE isn't qualified and suppose to do so, WHY? It is the perverse kind of tithing! It was not the original plan set out by God concerning tithing! It is not the grace kind of tithing as we see in Gen 14 and Hebrews 7 before and after the Law!

The Melchizedekal order of tithing allowed Christians to tithe out of Love and appreciation to God! We are not under the Law and tithing was never stopped at any time! Be it Pre-Law, during the days of Law and even after the Law days. What changed was the levetical order of tithing which made it mandatory for the Israelites to tithe.
Tithing is not to be under compulsion but it’s God's and HE expects it from us. HE writes it in our hearts, It's pre-Law, Jesus COMMENDED IT, and HEBREW TAUGHT IT SO IT IS ABSOLUTELY AND POSITIVELY NEW TESTAMENT!

God help us

still same issue !

Then who is the mystery man Melchizedek?
One other hint before we proceed. The land of Canaan from ancient time, before the days of Moses, was known among the Gentiles as "the divine land" the Holy land" the land of the place of worship!" Why? Was there someone in the Holy Land who was divine, holy, worthy of worship?

The Mystery Clears!

Coming to Hebrews 7, we find Melchizedek identified:
"For this Melchizedek, king of Salem, priest of the most high God, who met Abraham returning from the slaughter of the kings, and blessed him; to whom also Abraham gave a tenth part of all; first being by interpretation King of righteousness, and after that also King of Salem, which is,King of peace" (Hebrews 7:1-2).

Since God names individuals what they are, that, then is what this man is.. "King of Righteousness."

Think of it! King of Righteousness. !

Jesus Himself said: "There is none good but one, that is, God" (Matthew 19:17). Human self-righteousness is, before God, as filthy rags. None can be righteous but God—or one made righteous by God's power—Christ in a person! And certainly none but One of the Godhead the divine Kingdom of God would be King of Righteousness. Such an expression, applied to any but God, would be blasphemous. Why?

Righteousness is obedience to God's Law. Since God made all laws (James 4:12), He is Supreme Ruler or King. He determines what righteousness is. "All thy commandments are righteousness" (Psalm 119:172). When speaking of one of the points of that Law, Jesus placed Himself superior to it. He is Lord of the Sabbath (Mark 2:28). No man is Lord or King over God's Law. Only God could be! All human beings have sinned and broken that Law of righteousness (Romans 3:23).

To continue with Hebrews 7. Note, too, that this man was King of peace. "Salem" from which Jerusalem was named means "peace." And remember, Jesus is called the Prince of peace! No human being could be King of Peace. Men know not the way of peace. Read Romans 3:10 and 17: "There is none righteous, no, not one.... And the way of peace have they not known."

Observe further: Melchizedek was "without mother, without father, without descent," or as the Phillips translation renders it: "He had no father or mother and no family tree." He was not born as human beings are. He was without father and mother. This does not mean that Melchizedek's records of birth were lost. Without such records human priests could not serve (Ezra 2:62). But here Melchizedek had no genealogy. He must not have been an ordinary mortal. He had no descent or pedigree from another, but was self-existent. Notice Paul's own inspired interpretation of this fact: "Having neither beginning of days, nor end of life" (Hebrews 7:3). Therefore He has always existed from eternity!He was not even created, like angels. But He is now eternally self-existing. And that is true only of GOD deity, not humanity!

Melchizedek is Not the Father Nor the Holy Spirit !

Yet Melchizedek cannot be God the Father. He was the "priest of that Most High God." Scripture says no man has ever seen the Father (John 1:18, 5:37), but Abraham saw Melchizedek. He cannot be God the Father, but rather, "made like unto the Son of God; abideth a priest continually" (Hebrews 7:3).Meaning HE is still a priest even today becos HE is said to be a priest Forever who never died !

And there it is! In the days of Abraham, He was not the Son of God, for He had not yet been born of the virgin Mary but He was made like unto the Son of God in His manifestation to the ancients.

Notice again: Melchizedek, this scripture reveals, abides that is, remains permanently, continually, a priest. God the Father is not the Priest of God, but Christ the Son is! Yet, in the days when the Apostle Paul lived and wrote, shortly after Jesus ascended to heaven as High Priest, the scripture states that even then Melchizedek "abideth "—which means does now abide—"a priest continually." The Moffatt translation states it: "continues to be priest permanently" even while Jesus Christ is High Priest!

And notice that the order of Christ's Priesthood is named after Melchizedek. It is the High Priest's name that is placed upon an order just as Aaron's name was upon the Aaronic priesthood. Thus Melchizedek was then High Priest, in Paul's day, and even now, and He will rule forever! And at the same time Christ was, is today, and shall be forever High Priest!

Are there two High Priests'? No! Impossible! The conclusion is inescapable. Contrary to many cherished man-thought-out ideas, Melchizedek and Christ are one and the same! Some people have stumbled on the statement that Melchizedek has no "end of life." They contend that since Christ died, He had an end of life! If that be true then Christ is still dead! But Christ is not dead. He is alive. It was not possible for Christ to be held by death (Acts 2:24). Melchizedek would never have fulfilled His office of High Priest if He had not died for the sins of the people and risen again. It is the function of the High Priest to lead the way to salvation.

Indeed, Jesus Christ is the author and finisher of our salvation (Hebrews 5:9; 12:2). He is "called of God an high priest after the order of Melchizedek" (Hebrews 5:10).

And no wonder Melchizedek and Christ is one and the same Person!

One may be disturbed by the too many explanations regarding the person of Melchizedek. This is but to bring to our knowledge how Christ is Melchizedek and how Abraham without the Law, order or instruction of Any tithed to Melchizedek who is Christ! And if Abraham the great patriarch can give his tithe to Christ who is a priest in the order of Melchizedek, what makes us Christians think we cannot take our tithes to Christ?
The law which was only a shadow of what is to come has changed according to Hebrews 10:1 and what we do today as tithing was same as done by Abraham without the law! Tithing never started with the law and can not end with the law. Abraham tithed from his heart to Jesus and not under compulsion because there was no Law as at the time he tithed!
Jesus is our most high priest in the order of Melchizedek according to Hebrews 7:17.We give our tithe today to Jesus just like Abraham did and he was blessed. Abraham tithed not by rules, obligation or threat but by the heart that trust and appreciates the lord. If you love God, you don't need to be preached tithing to because you know that all that you have belong to God! It is our trust and heart to believe God. Letting HIM know that our number one priority is HIM! It is to be in our heart to obey and appreciate God and not to be commanded by the priest to do so. Hebrews 8:10 ''.....I will put my laws in their minds, and I will write them on their hearts. I will be their God, and they will be my people.'' It should be in the hearts of men to tithe and not by the law of compulsion of any sort!

''A tithe of everything from the land, whether grain from the soil or fruit from the trees, belongs to the Lord; it is holy to the Lord.Whoever would redeem any of their tithe must add a fifth of the value to it. Every tithe of the herd and flock—every tenth animal that passes under the shepherd’s rod—will be holy to the Lord.'' -Leveticus 27:30-32 “At the end of every third year, bring the entire tithe of that year’s harvest and store it in the nearest town. Give it to the Levites, who will receive no allotment of land among you, as well as to the foreigners living among you, the orphans, and the widows in your towns, so they can eat and be satisfied. Then the LORD your God will bless you in all your work.’’- Deuteronomy 14:28-29 ’’ As for the tribe of Levi, your relatives, I will compensate them for their service in the Tabernacle. Instead of an allotment of land, I will give them the tithes from the entire land of Israel.’’ Numbers 18:21 “A priest—a descendant of Aaron—will be with the Levites as they receive these tithes. And a tenth of all that is collected as tithes will be delivered by the Levites to the Temple of our God and placed in the storerooms.’’ Nehamaiah 10:38 ’’ You must set aside a tithe of your crops—one-tenth of all the crops you harvest each year. ‘’ - Deuteronomy 14:22 ’’ Bring all the tithes into the storehouse so there will be enough food in my Temple. If you do,” says the LORD of Heaven’s Armies, “I will open the windows of heaven for you. I will pour out a blessing so great you won’t have enough room to take it in! Try it! Put me to the test! ‘’- Malachi 3:10.
The Law no doubt also commanded tithing but that does not mean that tithing started with the law and God also never originally intended tithing the LAW way as a standard for HIS people. Tithing was commanded by the Law but only as a shadow of what is to come! Tithing the Law way was never brought about so that we will be under it for eternity but to show us a picture of what was and is to come. See Hebrews 10:1a'' For the law, having a shadow of the good things to come, and not the very image of the things,'' Remember that the slaying or blood sacrifice was never a bad idea because it is LAW, after all a blood sacrifice also occurred in the new covenant-Jesus shedding HIS blood for you and I. So the sacrifices of animals in the OT were indeed a shadow of how to do it better in the new covenant! Hebrews 9:12-15

The first man that ever tithed was Abraham - Genesis 14:18-20 and the second man that ever tithed or vowed to tithe even after God has promised to bless him was Jacob-Genesis 28:20-22
From the two accounts, it is very clear that the LAW never introduced tithing !
Who then instructed these men to tithe?
No written LAW did this except that it was written in the hearts of these men, or God must have spoken to them to do so or out of their Love for God and to show appreciation for the blessings received, they decided to tithe especially with Abraham. But for his son Jacob, it could be that grand pa taught him and he decided to vow tithing 'as a way of sealing a covenant deal with God 'But God is trusted always to be faithful!
What did we see with the tithing of Abraham to Melchizedek ! It was not out of compulsion or threat but out of Love and appreciation for it was after he was blessed that he gave HIM a tenth of everything he recovered from the battle field!
How about the tithing of Jacob? It was also when God has pronounced his blessings on Jacob that Jacob spoke about tithing! But he did it a different way from his grand pa,Abraham. For God has already pronounced HIS blessings on Jacob that will sure come to pass because HE IS GOD! :
Genesis 28:13-15''There above it stood the Lord, and he said: “I am the Lord, the God of your father Abraham and the God of Isaac. I will give you and your descendants the land on which you are lying. Your descendants will be like the dust of the earth, and you will spread out to the west and to the east, to the north and to the south. All peoples on earth will be blessed through you and your offspring. I am with you and will watch over you wherever you go, and I will bring you back to this land. I will not leave you until I have done what I have promised you.''
As Jacob heard these promises, he decided to strike a deal with God by vowing to tithe if God will truly do as HE has promised forgetting that God can not lie!:
Genesis 28:20-22''Then Jacob made a vow, saying, “If God will be with me and will watch over me on this journey I am taking and will give me food to eat and clothes to wear so that I return safely to my father’s household, then the Lord will be my God and this stone that I have set up as a pillar will be God’s house, and of all that you give me I will give you a tenth.”
From the Above scriptures, we can see clearly that these two (Abraham and Jacob)were never told to tithe but they did, they were never rebuked for doing so and this they did out of Love,concern and the perfect acknowledgement that it is God who favours one and must be appreciated any how ! We should also not forget that apart from tithing they were equally involved in giving other kinds or praise, offerings and thanks giving. This is Love! I can be lead to tithe this way but not forced or threatened to do so by any one! This is not law but a pre-Law tithing which is the original kind and standard of tithing!
Now for people who believe that since we are no longer under the law and should not tithe, let us be reminded that it was not the law that introduced tithing, rather the law towed same line but in a different way other than the way of the one of Genesis 14:18-20 and 28:20-22.
Since the Law never introduce tithing, how then are we expected to make do away with tithing that was not introduced by the law? You remember what the people said to Jesus in Mathew 19:7-8? “Why then,” they asked, “did Moses command that a man give his wife a certificate of divorce and send her away?” Jesus replied, “Moses permitted you to divorce your wives because your hearts were hard. But it was not this way from the beginning.''
The above scripture takes us to how tithing changed according to the provision of the Law! The Levetical order of tithing isn't God's original plan for tithing. God's original plan for tithing started with Abraham and not the Law! The Laws were commanded for a reason! It's only a shadow of what is to come!

What is Christ HIMSELF explicitly saying concerning tithe?
Mathew 23:23 “What sorrow awaits you teachers of religious law and you Pharisees. Hypocrites! For you are careful to tithe even the tiniest income from your herb gardens, but you ignore the more important aspects of the law—justice, mercy, and faith. You should tithe, yes, but do not neglect the more important things.''.Luke 11:42 has same account. Jesus supported tithing immediately by saying yes you should tithe but HE rebuked them for not doing other important things contained in the book !-justice, mercy, and faith !
We all know who Jesus is, if he was not in support of tithing, HE would had condemned it right from Mathew 23:23 as HE did with so many other laws like stoning of the adulterous (John 8:3-5), divorce (Mathew 19:, Sabbath (Mark 2:27-28 & Mathew 12:,The word of God esteemed above tradition (Mark 7:10-13) washing of hands before meal (Mark 7:1-8 &15)and so many others alike! If Jesus saw tithing as one of the commandments of the Law that is to be completely wiped out as a result of his birth, death and resurrection, HE wouldn’t had wasted any time to condemn it and it observers like HE did with other legalistic laws and traditions.
The issue of tithing was not discussed extensively in the New Testament and I believe that God never intended to bug any one with it as we see it been practiced today in most churches. It should be something of the heart and not of the Law! It should be given by the children of God at their own free will like Abraham and Jacob presented it to Christ. We shouldn’t be coerced or compelled to do so. As it was not an issue with the early Christians, so should it not be an issue with us Christians today! Hebrews gave us insights of what the pre-Law tithing was and what tithing should be as supported by Christ HIMSELF who receives all tithes!
Tithing which is appreciation to God for all HE has done and that which HE will still do, blesses the tither, the church, the ministers, the missionaries and the devil is sore vexed! For the tithe sure also expands the kingdom and furthers the gospel.

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Melchizedek was referred to as ''KING OF JUSTICE’’ in Hebrews 7:2- I don't know any other person who is king of Justice other than JESUS!John 5:30 and Revelation 19:11
Melchizedek was referred to as ''KING OF PEACE’’ in Hebrews 7:2- I don't know any other person who is king of Peace other than JESUS ! Romans 8:17 and Isaiah 9:6 Note, there is a king in every Prince and God is Christ and Christ is God!
Melchizedek was said to be one without ‘’BEGINNING AND END’’ in Hebrews 7:3-I don't know any other person who is without BEGINNING AND END other than JESUS! Psalm 90:2 and
John 1 :1-14,Micah 5:2
Melchizedek was said to be one who is a ''PRIEST FOREVER in Hebrews 7:3'' -I don't know any other who is a priest forever other than JESUS! Hebrews 6:20,7:17 and Psalm 110:4
Melchizedek was said to ‘’RESEMBLE THE SON OF GOD’’ in verse 3 of Hebrews- No one can be said to resemble the son of God other than the son of God HIMSELF !-Daniel 3:25 Colosians 1:15,Mathew 3:17
Melchizedek was said to have ‘’no father or mother!’’ - JESUS is God (Let’s not let Mary and Joseph deceive us they are only but earthly representation as it was prophesied! John 10:30,John 1:1-3,Isaiah 9:6,Philipians 2:5&6,Revelation 1:8
Melchizedek's greatness was recognized by Abraham the father of all with the promise !
Melchizedek' was not according to the law to receive tithe becos HE is neither from levetical or Aronic order yet HE received tithe. Remember Jesus lineage wasn't expected to be king until the prophesy came and it happened !
Melchizedek blesses Abraham,one who has already received the promise of the blessing of God !
Pastors (priests i.e levetical or Aronic)will all die but Melchizedek lives forever !
Hebrew said Melchizedek resembles the son of God ! You remember when King of Babylon said that the fourth man in the fire resembles the son of God!
Melchizedek is the King of Salem(Jerusalem) Who was refered to as the King of Jerusalem other than Jesus !-John 1:49
Melchizedek brought out bread and wine and blessed Abraham in Genesis 14:18-19 ! Why should there be bread and wine and a blessing if this was not the very first introduction of the sacrament holy communion! Who blessed wine and broke bread and shared to HIS disciples the night to HIS death? Luke 22:19 and Mathew 26:26!

Jesus is the high priest according to the order of Melchizedek was mentioned seven times in Hebrews alone. Let’s not think it’s for fun! Though it was said by apostle Paul that

Hebrews 5:6''And in another passage God said to him, "You are a priest forever in the order of Melchizedek."
Hebrews 5:10''And God designated him to be a High Priest in the order of Melchizedek.''
Hebrews 6:20''where Jesus has gone as a forerunner on our behalf, having become a high priest forever after the order of Melchizedek.''
Hebrews 7:11''If perfection could have been attained through the Levitical priesthood--and indeed the law given to the people established that priesthood--why was there still need for another priest to come, one in the order of Melchizedek, not in the order of Aaron?''
Hebrews 7:15''This change has been made very clear since a different priest, who is like Melchizedek, has appeared.''
Hebrews 7:17 ''And the psalmist pointed this out when he prophesied, "You are a priest forever in the order of Melchizedek."
Hebrews 7:21 ''but there was an oath regarding Jesus. For God said to him, "The LORD has taken an oath and will not break his vow: 'You are a priest forever.'"

Now from the above, who do you think this scripture is referring to and Who do you think Melchizedek is?
According to the law, if you are not from the Levetical order you can't take tithe but Melchizedek collected tithe from Abraham and this is one of the numerous reasons we should tithe today to the Lord. Abraham did it to lay the foundation of the tithing principle today not according to laws of exodus, Deuteronomy, Leviticus or even Malachi. Malachi showed us the blessings there is and God wants’ to do more for us no wonder HE wants’ us to praise and give thanks for the ones HE has done already !
IF YOU WANT TO KNOW WHAT MELCHIZEDEK DID AND IS STILL DOING TODAY,STUDY GENESIS 14:18-20 AND IF YOU WANT TO KNOW WHO MELCHIZEDEK IS, STUDY THE BOOK OF HEBREWS 7 :1-19 and DISCERN THE REVELATION THERE IN !

For a detail proof that Jesus was actually Melchizedek,let us consider some indebt knowledge and understanding of Genesis 14:18-20 and Hebrew 7:1-19 :

Few mysteries of the Bible have attracted more interest than the mystery of the identity of Melchizedek as Hewbert puts it!
‘’You will read in Hebrews 6:19-20 that Jesus Christ, after His resurrection, is High Priest "after the order of Melchizedek." The plainer English of the Moffatt translation words it: ". . with the rank of" that is, equal status with "Melchizedek."

Melchizedek Was God's Priest for sure!
First, notice from both Old and New Testaments that the man of mystery, Melchizedek, was a priest of the Most High God. Turn 'low to the account in Genesis 14. During the war between a number of ancient city-states in Canaan and Mesopotamia, Abraham's nephew Lot had been captured. He and his family and goods were carted off.

One of their numbers escaped and brought the news to Abraham, who armed 318 of his own servants and pursued the invaders to what was later named Dan and beyond. Abraham rescued Lot and his family and returned them safely to the Canaanite cities.

On Abraham's return 'a man of mystery bursts upon the scene'. Abraham was ministered to by Melchizedek.

Here is the account:

"And Melchizedek king of Salem brought out bread and wine; he was priest of God Most High. And he [Melchizedek] blessed him [Abraham] and said, 'Blessed be Abram by God Most High, maker of heaven and earth; and blessed be God Most High, who has delivered your enemies into your hand!' And Abram gave him [Melchizedek] a tenth of everything" that is, a tithe of all, for a tithe means a tenth (Genesis 14:18-20, RSV).

Notice that Melchizedek was king of Salem. That is the city of Jerusalem. "Salem" comes from the Hebrew word meaning "peace." That would make Melchizedek the "King of Peace" (Hebrews 7:2''Then Abraham took a tenth of all he had captured in battle and gave it to Melchizedek. The name Melchizedek means "king of justice," and king of Salem means "king of peace." The Hebrew name Melchizedek itself means "King of Righteousness" (Hebrews 7:2). The same individual is mentioned in Psalm 110:4. Speaking prophetically of Christ, David stated: "The Eternal hath sworn, and will not repent, Thou art a priest forever after the order of Melchizedek." This verse is quoted again in Hebrews 5:6, 10.
Before we turn to Hebrews for the identification of Melchizedek, remember that this mystery figure is a mystery only to us. Abraham and the King of wicked Sodom knew exactly who he was. They must have seen him before. He could not have been a Canaanite, for they were steeped in pagan customs. And furthermore Canaan was a descendant of Ham, whereas God basically chose the descendants of Shem to accomplish His work.

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Having established the above facts, I think it is necessary we go back to Genesis 14:18-20
''And Melchizedek, the king of Salem and a priest of God Most High, brought Abram some bread and wine.Melchizedek blessed Abram with this blessing:“Blessed be Abram by God Most High, Creator of heaven and earth. And blessed be God Most High, who has defeated your enemies for you.”Then Abram gave Melchizedek a tenth of all the goods he had recovered.''

Who is Melchizedek? We will know who this 'being' is when we get to the book of Hebrews but keep in mind the meaning of Christophany!
Genesis 28:20-22 is the second time tithing was actually mentioned and this again happened when there was no LAW commanding anyone to tithe! '' Then Jacob made this vow: “If God will indeed be with me and protect me on this journey, and if he will provide me with food and clothing,and if I return safely to my father’s home, then the Lord will certainly be my God.And this memorial pillar I have set up will become a place for worshiping God, and I will present to God a tenth of everything he gives me.”
From the above two scriptures, it has been established that Abraham who is the father of all nations also whom we(Gentiles) MUST receive his blessing through Christ Jesus (Galatians 3:14)-tithed and his son Jacob tithed as well before the law ! The Law came after the exodus from Egypt, Exodus 19:3-8 and Abraham had already tithed to 'Melchizedek' before this time(640yrs before the law)And his son Jacob tithed about some 445yrs before the law and this brings us to the conclusion that tithing never started with the Law and why should it end with the law?

Let us see Hebrews 7 and what revelation there is concerning tithing! But before then,see what the writer says expecially to the spiritually dull !
Hebrews 5:11-14’’There is much more we would like to say about this, but it is difficult to explain, especially since you are spiritually dull and don’t seem to listen. You have been believers so long now that you ought to be teaching others. Instead, you need someone to teach you again the basic things about God’s word. You are like babies who need milk and cannot eat solid food. For someone who lives on milk is still an infant and doesn’t know how to do what is right.Solid food is for those who are mature, who through training have the skill to recognize the difference between right and wrong.’’

Tithing is absolutely and positively supported by the book of Hebrews in the New Testament!
Hebrews 7:1-19
''This Melchizedek was king of the city of Salem and also a priest of God Most High. When Abraham was returning home after winning a great battle against the kings, Melchizedek met him and blessed him.Then Abraham took a tenth of all he had captured in battle and gave it to Melchizedek. The name Melchizedek means “king of justice,” and king of Salem means “king of peace.” There is no record of his father or mother or any of his ancestors—no beginning or end to his life. He remains a priest forever, resembling the Son of God.
Consider then how great this Melchizedek was. Even Abraham, the great patriarch of Israel, recognized this by giving him a tenth of what he had taken in battle. Now the law of Moses required that the priests, who are descendants of Levi, must collect a tithe from the rest of the people of Israel, who are also descendants of Abraham. But Melchizedek, who was not a descendant of Levi, collected a tenth from Abraham. And Melchizedek placed a blessing upon Abraham, the one who had already received the promises of God. And without question, the person who has the power to give a blessing is greater than the one who is blessed.
The priests who collect tithes are men who die, so Melchizedek is greater than they are, because we are told that he lives on. In addition, we might even say that these Levites—the ones who collect the tithe—paid a tithe to Melchizedek when their ancestor Abraham paid a tithe to him. For although Levi wasn’t born yet, the seed from which he came was in Abraham’s body when Melchizedek collected the tithe from him.
So if the priesthood of Levi, on which the law was based, could have achieved the perfection God intended, why did God need to establish a different priesthood, with a priest in the order of Melchizedek instead of the order of Levi and Aaron?
And if the priesthood is changed, the law must also be changed to permit it. For the priest we are talking about belongs to a different tribe, whose members have never served at the altar as priests.What I mean is, our Lord came from the tribe of Judah, and Moses never mentioned priests coming from that tribe.
This change has been made very clear since a different priest, who is like Melchizedek, has appeared. Jesus became a priest, not by meeting the physical requirement of belonging to the tribe of Levi, but by the power of a life that cannot be destroyed. And the psalmist pointed this out when he prophesied, “You are a priest forever in the order of Melchizedek.”
Yes, the old requirement about the priesthood was set aside because it was weak and useless. For the law never made anything perfect. But now we have confidence in a better hope, through which we draw near to God.''

I intentionally gave the whole of Hebrews 7:1-19 for us to see for ourselves what the writer of Hebrew is saying concerning Christ, keeping in mind what Christophany means!
Melchizedek never appeared anywhere in the bible until Genesis 14:18-20 and immediately after that HE went into thin air until the book Hebrew brought us to the proper understanding of who this BEING Melchizedek truly is!
Before we carefully examine who Melchizedek is, let us dissect the meeting between Abraham and Melchizedek first!
In Hebrews 7:1-2, Abraham met with this Melchizedek and without anyone giving him any instructions, he gave a tenth of all the spoils he recovered from war ! Verse 4 made it very clear that even as great as the patriarch Abraham, he recognized that Melchizedek is greater than he is hence the giving of tithe. And without question, verse 7 says,......’’ the person who has the power to give a blessing is greater than the one who is blessed’’, because Melchizedek blessed Abraham after receiving the tithe from him! Verse 5 & 6 made it clear that the law required all the people of Israel who are also of the descendants of Abraham to compulsorily give tithe to the priests of the descendants of Levi,but certainly not to Melchizedek because he is not of the tribe of Levi but of the TRIBE OF JUDAH ! Verse 8 says that the levetical priests who collects tithes according to the Law are men who die and Melchizedek is greater than they all for HE collected tithe and NEVER DIED but lives on !

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clemzo101:
Like seriously I still need proper clarification on tithing, pls don't crucify me, I just need clarification.

How many times did our Lord Jesus Christ preach about tithing in the bible? Tithing I think is of the old testament where we have priests dat does nothing else xcept to offer sacrifices in the temple and all dat. This priests are commanded by God himself not to do any work, not to plough the fields, not to raise animals but to serve the Lord only in the temple. Likewise commandment was given to the children of israel too to give 10 percent of their proceeds to the man of God so that dat there will be food in d house of God. It is d tithe and offerings dat d priest and his family feed from. All dat was in d old testament. But the only time I read Jesus mentioned about tithe was matthew 23:23 and he didn't even regard it as something of a high importance.......pls don't criticise me, I just want to know more . Thanks

@clemzo,please go through the below it might help you :

TITHING IS ABSOLUTELY AND POSITIVELY NEW TESTAMENT!

Whenever the word Tithe is mentioned,’ men of God’ and congregants all run to Malachi 3:
What is it about Malachi 3 and tithing? Probably for the curse associated with not tithing as a weapon in the hands of ‘men of God’. And the blessings as a shield for the tithing congregation!

‘’Will a man rob God?yet ye have robbed me. But ye say wherein have we robbed thee? In tithes and offerings. Ye are cursed with a curse: for ye have robbed me, even this whole nation’’- Malachi 3:8-9 Kjv
The above scripture is the most popular if not the only scripture that ‘’men of God’’ but for the true ones uses to persuade members to tithe. Some go as far as calling members who are non tithers robbers who will ultimately not make heaven because they ‘steal from God’!
‘’Bring ye all the tithes into the store house so there will be enough food in my temple.’if you do,’says the lord of heaven’s armies ‘’i will open the windows of heaven for you. I will pour out a blessing so great you won’t have enough room to take it in.Try it! Put me to the test! Your crops will be abundant, for i will guard them from insects and disease.Your grapes will not fall from the vine before they are ripe’’says the lord of heaven’s armies.Then all nations will call you blessed,for your land will be such a delight’’says the lord of heaven’s armies.-Malachi 3:10-12 NLT.
The above shows clearly that even an unbeliever would want to believe the concluding part of Malachi 3 on tithing because of the promises of blessings and protection inherent.For this reason,non-tithers want’s to tithe to partake of the promised blessings. Non‘faithful tithers’ want’s to be faithful so as to receive the promises in full. ’Faithfull tithers’ want’s to remain faithful so as not to fall victim and be denied of the promises of blessings and protection of Malachi 3.

We have seen clearly why Malachi 3:8-12 remains the most popular scripture used by ‘men of God’ and obeyed by most church members. There are other Old Testament books that dealt extensively on tithing but are not as frequently quoted and widely obeyed like the Malachi 3 i.e Leveticus 27:30-32, Deuteronomy 14:28-29, Numbers 18:21,Nehamaiah 10:38,Deuteronomy 14:22.
All these instructions and commandments on tithing came after the exodus of the Israelites from Egypt. These kinds of commandment on tithing came with the Law and the Law came after the Israelites left Egypt. Exodus 19:5,7&8. Prior to these times,there was no Law but there have always been certain ways, principles or covenants entered by the early fathers i.e Abraham,Isaac and Jacob.
As for all that came with the Law,this is what Apostle Paul has to say in Galatians 3:24 ‘’Let me put it another way. The law was our guardian until Christ came; it protected us until we could be made right with God through faith.’’ See also Hebrews 8:13 concerning the Law :
‘’ When God speaks of a “new” covenant, it means he has made the first one obsolete. It is now out of date and will soon disappear.’’ There are Laws that changed as a result of the coming of Christ i.e the use of animals as sacrifice to appease God has been replaced with the blood of Jesus and it was done once and for all.Hebrews 9:13-14’’ Under the old system, the blood of goats and bulls and the ashes of a young cow could cleanse people’s bodies from ceremonial impurity. Just think how much more the blood of Christ will purify our consciences from sinful deeds so that we can worship the living God. For by the power of the eternal Spirit, Christ offered himself to God as a perfect sacrifice for our sins.’’
There are also Laws that were not touched that metamorphosed from the old into the new covenant. All the Laws of the ten commandment were repeated one way or the other in the new covenant except for the Sabbath day worship! In Mathew 19:17-19 Jesus made it clear that to have eternal life, one has to keep the commandments of not murder anyone, not commit adultery, not steal, not testify falsely, honour your mother and father and love your neighbour as yourself.
From the above scripture, we have seen that inspite of the new covenant, these laws never changed, for they still stand. Laws like putting away(divorce), stoning to death of the adulterous, washing of hands before meal etc were all phased off at the coming and teachings of our lord Jesus Christ.
So, it is wrong for a ‘man of God’ to admonish members to continue to tithe according to the Law when tithing never started with the Law! It is Pre-Law, Jesus supports it and Apostle Paul gives a clearer supportive understanding of the new covenant kind of tithing!
Mathew 19:17 shows us that there are principles, covenants and ways of doing things that were adopted from the pre-Law era and changed by the Law. ‘’ “Then why did Moses say in the law that a man could give his wife a written notice of divorce and send her away?” they asked. Jesus replied, “Moses permitted divorce only as a concession to your hard hearts, but it was not what God had originally intended.’ Mathew 19:7-8.
From the scripture above, we can see what the law can do to the original plan(s) of God and it was exactly what the Law did with tithing! Tithing never started with the Law, it is pre-Law, though commanded by the Law.
‘Men of God’ knowingly or unknowingly make a mess of tithing when they think it started with the Law- How wrong! Men have started tithing long before the Law was given.
Now, to consider and digest this much revelation of how tithing isn’t of the Law but a pre Law principle supported by Christ in the New testament (Mathew 23:23) and also clearly explained in the book of Hebrews 7.It is important we know that the Law apart from the fact that it borrowed what has been in practice (tithing) before it’s very own (LAW) inception, also distorted God’s original plan for tithing! For the Law that commanded tithing was only a shadow of things to come according to Hebrews 10 :1 ’’The old system under the law of Moses was only a shadow, a dim preview of the good things to come, not the good things themselves....’’ And Colossians 2:17 ‘’ for these rules are only shadows of the reality yet to come. And Christ himself is that reality.’’ The Law has never been what God intended for man. The Law has its imperfection hence the coming of Christ. ‘’For the law made nothing perfect, but the bringing in of a better hope did; by which we draw nigh unto God.’’-Hebrews 7:19
Let us see first what the word theophany and Christophany means for it will be the basis for this insight.
''A Christophany is an appearance of the preincarnate Christ in the Old Testament, or after his ascension.-Web definition.
''A theophany is a manifestation of God in the Bible that is tangible to the human senses. In its most restrictive sense, it is a visible appearance of God in the Old Testament period, often, but not always, in human form.
Some of the theophanies are found in these passages:

1. Genesis 12:7-9 – The Lord appeared to Abraham on his arrival in the land God had promised to him and his descendants.
2. Genesis 18:1-33 – One day, Abraham had some visitors: two angels and God Himself. He invited them to come to his home, and he and Sarah entertained them. - a Christophany, a pre-incarnate appearance of Christ.
3. Genesis 32:22-30 – Jacob wrestled with what appeared to be a man, but was actually God (Genesis 32:28-30). This may also have been a Christophany.-Christ
4. Exodus 3:2 - 4:17 – God appeared to Moses in the form of a burning bush, telling him exactly what He wanted him to do.-Theophany
5. Exodus 24:9-11 – God appeared to Moses with Aaron and his sons and the seventy elders.-Theophany
6. Deuteronomy 31:14-15 – God appeared to Moses and Joshua in the transfer of leadership to Joshua.
7. Job 38–42 – God answered Job out of the tempest and spoke at great length in answer to Job’s questions. -Theophany

8. Daniel 3:25- Christ appeared in the fiery furnace and HE was seen by Nebuchadnezzar - Christophany

Frequently, the term “glory of the Lord” reflects a theophany, as in Exodus 24:16-18; the “pillar of cloud” has a similar function in Exodus 33:9. A frequent introduction for theophanies may be seen in the words “the Lord came down,” as in Genesis 11:5; Exodus 34:5; Numbers 11:5; and 12:5.
Every theophany wherein God takes on human form foreshadows the incarnation, where God took the form of a man to live among us as Emmanuel, “God with us” (Matthew 1:23).

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whytfaz:
Nicely said bro dont also forget that in Mat 21:12 Jesus entered the temple courts and drove out all who were buying and selling there. these days our churches are markets where stuffs like cds, pastors bulletins and books, even foods are being sold more expensive within the church premises than the actual market places...and their schools are too expensive. if your dad is a rich babalawo you will be given admission but a poor church member might not be able to gain admission there

The churches that owns school today are looking for good quality schools and not cheap free for all play ground called school. Good schools aren't easy to come by for we need quality teachers,lecturers,structures,labs,dormitories,libraries etc and these things aren't for free !

God help us

kizzle4eva:
When will you guys ever get tired of this Men of God being rich and churches story story story.
U guys have said Jesus wasn't rich but I beg to disagree.
1. He could afford to just send his disciples to arrange a never used colt
2. With just a word he could arrange an upper room for the Last Supper
3. He had super expensive perfume poured on him
4.His cloak was so expensive the Roman soldiers chose to rather win it by lottery rather than tear it up.
5. He had a rich man donate his tomb for him

In the bible the priests and Kings were always richer than the people so all talk of Jesus being 'poor' is balderdash.
Serve your God, be useful to your world and stop criticizing your pastors.
Afterall Oyedepo and his Ministry employ and sustain thousands of people directly and indirectly.

To add to your list above,he also asked peter to go to the river down the road,cast his hook,line and sinker that the first fish he will cash that their is a wooping cash of 2 shekels in it's stomach,he should use it to pay his own and christ's individual tax like we christians pay today already and not a church tax ! Even if HE was poor which i strongly disagree after HE was able to feed over five thousand excluding children, BUT he said he gave up all those wealth/riches that we christian today might be rich ! It depends on how you see it.I want to go to heaven a wealthy man and definitely not like lazarus for his case/story was prior to the coming,death and resurrection of Christ ! If we want to live a prosperous life as Christians,why can't the pastors desire same since it is scriptural according to 3 John 1:2''Beloved, I wish above all things that thou mayest prosper and be in health, even as thy soul prospereth.'' - Choose for urself and let the true men of God be !

God help us

Dan1cole:
Thats why they preach the gospel to the congregation, so they can also be prosperous. Do you know that most of these pastors of so-called mega-churches have tasted poverty before? Now they teach people who are poor how to break out of it also. Have you not heard "The blind receive their sight, and the lame walk, the lepers are cleansed, and the deaf hear, the dead are raised up, and the poor had the gospel preached to them." -Matthew 11:5 .. So when it comes to breaking out of poverty, you gotta hear the word and obey.
And btw, most pastors (like mine: David Ibiyeomie) attend to the needs of the congregation and even outsiders, but they don't announce it so you may not know. And also they cannot attend to the need of every poor member of their congregation, that's why they teach prosperity principles so that their congregation might be prosperous and become blessings to others also.

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I weep for Christians who some times out of ignorance support people who plot the disunity and downfall of Christinity.

If as a pastor who runs a church pays the tax or rates for my church building,pay my P.A.Y.E tax at the end of every month as an individual who receives salary either from the church or other work I do,been taxed on the goods i buy(consumer tax)pay tax on the businesses I own (schools,pure water factory etc) WHY SHOULD ANY ONE still want to collect tax from offerings and tithe that is been given by parishioners out of their own free will ? They can decide not to give their offerings anymore and what happens to the TAX THE CHURCHES LAW? As a parishioner who works and pay my tax monthly,pay also the consumer tax etc,Why also do you want to tax my offerings or tithes ? That will mean multiple taxation ! It's like asking clubs and village association to pay tax! Oh I see ! You guys are looking at the leaders of big churches and their flambuoyant life styles abi ?I smell jealousy and plot to stop the church from moving forward ! Even if they pay the tax,what will it take from them ? Them no buy,them no sell ! The tax we have been paying to the government all these years,what have they done with it ? May be na church own tithe and offerings go better nigeria ba ?

When Jesus talked about give what belongs to ceaser to ceaser,HE admonished us to pay our TAX which I know most if not all Christians who work and do business does. Why this multiple taxation ? Christians open your eyes and consider that when this bill is been passed into Law,you will find more of the christian leaders charged to court for TAX EVATION ! I know some christians here now will say LET IT BE after all I no be pentecoastal and some will say afterall i do not worship in a big church forgeting that CHRISTIANITY is one big body ! If the leg or hand is affected,it will eventually reach the head someday !

God help us

I weep for Christians who some times out of ignorance support people who plot the disunity and downfall of Christinity.

If as a pastor who runs a church pays the tax or rates for my church building,pay my P.A.Y.E tax at the end of every month as an individual who receives salary either from the church or other work I do,been taxed on the goods i buy(consumer tax)pay tax on the businesses I own (schools,pure water factory etc) WHY SHOULD ANY ONE still want to collect tax from offerings and tithe that is been given by parishioners out of their own free will ? They can decide not to give their offerings anymore and what happens to the TAX THE CHURCHES LAW? As a parishioner who works and pay my tax monthly,pay also the consumer tax etc,Why also do you want to tax my offerings or tithes ? That will mean multiple taxation ! It's like asking clubs and village association to pay tax! Oh I see ! You guys are looking at the leaders of big churches and their flambuoyant life styles abi ?I smell jealousy and plot to stop the church from moving forward ! Even if they pay the tax,what will it take from them ? Them no buy,them no sell ! The tax we have been paying to the government all these years,what have they done with it ? May be na church own tithe and offerings go better nigeria ba ?

When Jesus talked about give what belongs to ceaser to ceaser,HE admonished us to pay our TAX which I know most if not all Christians who work and do business does. Why this multiple taxation ? Christians open your eyes and consider that when this bill is been passed into Law,you will find more of the christian leaders charged to court for TAX EVATION ! I know some christians here now will say LET IT BE after all I no be pentecoastal and some will say afterall i do not worship in a big church forgeting that CHRISTIANITY is one big body ! If the leg or hand is affected,it will eventually reach the head someday !

God help us

Orikinla: The person who loves you most is the one who does not hide the truth from you.

The person who love you most is not the one who rubbishes you in public,who says you shouldn't be given a fair hearing,who calls you a thief even before you get indicted.

THE PERSON WHO LOVES YOU MOST WILL CALL YOU ONE ON ONE,FACE TO FACE AND ADVISE,COUNSEL,ADMONISH YOU AND IF YOU DON'T LISTEN,HE WILL GO ON PRAYING FOR YOU IN SECRETE AND NOT TO COME OUT TO BAD MOUTH YOU IN THE MEDIA !-where is the love then ? I see only hate because and nothing more but revenge !

God help us

[b]I do not expect Okogie,Onayekan,the pope,rev fathers catechist or any other roman catholic to say anything different.You were defeated in an election and you say it was not properly conducted and since then pulled out of the association(CAN). The roman catholics stand concerning protestants and other Pentecostal movement is the same stand the nothern muslims have concerning the south western muslims. Since the pull out initiated by Martin Luther King, roman catholics has never and will not see anything good in any other Christian movement other that roman catholicism ! In short,the roman catholics prefers to form aliance with muslim extremists than have any thing to do with other Christian faith that aren't roman catholicism and this also have robbed off on the parishioners of roman catholicism. IF YOU DO NOT HAVE ANYTHING ALREADY AGAINST ORITSEJAFOR,WHY NOT CALL HIM ONE ON ONE,FACE TO FACE AND ENQUIRE FROM HIM WHAT WENT WRONG OR IF HE ACTUALLY KNOWS ANYTHING ABOUT THE 9.3 MILLION DOLLARS MATER PRIOR GRANTING INTERVIEWS INDICTING HIM THE WAY YOU HAVE DONE ? The roman catholics are happy,the muslims are happy and also APC wether Christians or muslims are equally happy now with these your coment and they all say;nothing but the truth ! What makes a matter true is only when it has been proven as a result of all verifiable hard evidences made available. Denominational differences will continue to be the bane of Christianity in Nigeria which will probably lead to the end of Christianity in Nigeria as the enemies of the church will no doubt take advantage of this !

God help us[/b]

crown777: Deceive yourself for eternity, FG is buying arms and the lawmakers are not aware? Ok to sponsor BH that PDP created to get sympathy from Nigerians.

FG says it's a 'covert operation'how do you expect the lawmaker to be aware ? Make them come use am play politics abi ? If we are aware then it's no longer covert but overt that should be legal and not illegal ! Covert operations like this one are usually illegal and there is nothing wrong with it if it's urgent and necessary !

God help us

enigmaotr: I want to ask you, is it legal to use a private jet for business purposes in Nigeria? And again, what is the percentage of Christians in ancient Turkey as against pagans? Do you even know that Turkey is a secular state as we speak? Why is it a coincidence that Ayo's jet was the one used? What would be your reaction if Sultan's jet was used for such purpose?
Please answer! And remember, I'm also a Christian- a non-catholic

If a private Jet is under lease with a commercial company like Green Coast produce ltd,what do you make of it ? Does it not tell you that the process of using the private Jet must have been met by the company before doing so as per their claim below:
“A Bombardier Challenger 600 aircraft Registration No N808HG was leased to us, Green Coast Produce Company Limited, on the 2nd of August 2014. We have since that time been running and managing charter services with the aircraft in accordance and compliance with global best practices. On the 5th of September 2014 the aircraft was hired from us by a John Ishyaku. The charter to John Ishyaku was upon the following documented terms:
*Depart Abuja-Johannesburg on the 5th of September 2014;
*Return to Abuja on the 6th of September 2014;
*To wait and return with the passengers.
“The said terms are normative within the industry.
“As with every other aircraft charter company, our knowledge of the cargo carried on the aircraft was in accordance with the information provided by ABC Limited. All cargo were accompanied by passengers who could readily defend the contents. We are not and can not be privy to any alleged extraneous cargo transported on the aircraft other than that declared in the agreed terms of hire. We are not liable and cannot be construed as a party to any alleged infractions, either in Nigeria or South Africa as the case may be, after the hire of the aircraft.''-Green Coast Produce ltd.
Asking if it is legal to use a private Jet for commercial purpose is like asking if it is normal/legal to register my private toyota sienna car with God is Good motors to run Lagos Onitsha for me ! If the commercial company Green Coast Produce is registered then there is no crime in using a private Jet for commercial purpose !
Turkey is a secular state as we speak with currently 98 percent muslims and 0.02 percent Christians and we say there are stuffs responsible for the drastic decline of Christians in Turkey considering the fact that the seven Churches mentioned (Ephesus,Smyrna,Philadelphia,laodecea etc) mentioned in Revelation 2 and 3.
Concerning why it was Orit's Jet that was used,I said earlier that according to FG,this is a 'covert operation' and it is a private Jet that MUST be used and not a military Jet.Fortunately and unfortunately it was the company Green coast produced that operates Oritsejafor's Jet that was contacted and it was Orit's Jet that was presented to the charterers probably because that is the BEST Jet among their FLEET or it could be the exact one that was demanded by the charterers.But let's also not rule out the possibility that Oritsejafor has told his 'sons' those at the coridor of power that his Jet is currently running on lease and that when ever they have need for use of private Jet that they should contact Green coast produce since more bizness for Green coast produce means more money for Ayo since his Jet might be charted. If you own a property that is up for rent or lease,should you not market when necessary ? It is possible that Ayo's influence gave green Coast produce this very transaction that turned controversial.
If it was sultan's Jet that was used and I don't have anything against sultan,i will think this same way but if I have something against the sultan,I will definitely think the way most of you think presently concerning Ayo Oritsejafor.
Let's think straight without sentiment until proven otherwise !

God help us

AYO Oritsejafor,see you below !

''However, we note with dismay the unguarded utterances of some leaders that they will call on their followers to defend themselves.''-Jama’atu Nasril Islam
From the above as stated by the Jama’atu Nasril Islam(JNI)goes further and clearly again to show that it is the game of tit for tat. Let's consider below few quotes from Oritsejafor:

''If you continue to forcefully convert our girls to muslims that means you have declared war on Christianity''
''If you do not stop bombing us and our churches we will be forced to defend ourselves''
''Islamic leaders and cleric please call Boko Haram to order''
''We too, want to have freedom, freedom of religion, freedom to worship as we choose without fear, we want to have justice, based in equality and not driven by discriminatory religious practices. Let me remind us that this is not about economics but about an ideology that has a history of sponsoring genocide across the globe.”-Oritsejafor addressing a US Congress subcommittee concerning terrorist attacks on Christians in Nigeria.

From the above statements uttered by Oritsejafor,i think i can understand how the Jama’atu Nasril Islam( JNI) and other Islamic bodies and leaders would want to continually tie him up completely with the purported failed arms deal or money laundry as it were.
If a man says he has a private Jet under lease with a particular company called Eagle air not minding if he has interest in that company or not and the said Eagle Air company put the Jet up for lease with another company called Green Coast Produce Ltd who in turn hire this Jet to a certain persons for a certain Business, How should it be that it is the owner of the Jet we run to first to ask questions if not for a fact that this Owner is our enemy or once upon a time a pain in our a.s,s. ! The first persons to query in this case are the persons been caught with the said 9.3 million dollars.The second group should be the operators of the Jet(Green Coast Produce ltd) and by extension, Eagle Air would be involved since they are supposed to ask questions if they hear that the company they leased out their Jet to isn't forth coming with positive news concerning their property. As the Owner of the Jet,I get worried when I don't receive any alert from these operators or Eagle Air with which I have residual interest in. The Only reason people generally will not confront the federal government and query them heavily concerning the failed arms deal should be when they have something negative already concerning Oritsejafor who is in my opinion a bizness man the bible has also encouraged, for us not to heavily rely on tithes and offerings of followers. No wonder Apostle Paul says he works with his hand to make a living and not rely on the congregation.‘’We work wearily with our own hands to earn our living.......''1 Corinthians 4:12a.
Oritsejafor should be the last person to be queried concerning this issue and the reasons are numerous: He isn't the operator of the Jet even though he owns it.He isn't the company that leased it from the operators. He isn't even the charterer or among the persons found on the Jet. He is not FG that says the money belongs to them. But he is definitely the first outspoken CAN president and the very first CAN leader to openly declare his interest in supporting a Christian leader (G.E.J)a spiritual son(G.E.J) who supports his ministry and calls him father spiritually speaking.
Some ask questions ranging from why did the government not use a military Jet but a private Jet and I say,if the operation according to government is a ‘covert operation’ you still expect them to go with a military Jet ? Use ur head mates! Why should it be Oritsejafor’s Jet that must be chartered according to El-rufai ? To put things straight, he only owns it but does not have the power to say who charters it or decide the destination and cargo aboard the jet since he does not operate it. Besides, a Jet must be chartered for this 'covert operation' according to FG and fortunately and unfortunately, it was Ayo,s Jet that was Chartered.(who will not want his jet to be chartered?) Besides, it is possible that Ayo must have told all his 'sons in the lord' that his jet is currently up for lease now and in case they have any private bizness they should charter his Jet so as to increase bizness for Eagle Air where he has interest, BECAUSE more bizness to either eagle Air or green coast produce means more money for Oritsejafor who in my opinion is a pastor and a business man !
I just think some catholics ignorantly will be hitting hard at Oritsejafor since he is a Pentecostal pastor and since they equally claim not to be part of CAN not knowing that in the body of Christ if the hand suffers the leg will soon feel the impact because the devil is aiming the head in the long run. I can understand why the muslims should call for Ayo's head. Oritsejafor is a terror to the enemy and you don't expect the enemy to go and sleep while you terrorise his kingdom. They must fight to bring down their enemy.But we still have some Pentecostal Christians who are in APC and are not just happy that AYO is an ARDENT supporter of G.E.J & does not hide it & they say bring him up for a roast! There are some others who just because AYO isn't their pastor not minding that they are also Pentecostals, they say AYO should be stoned.We have the neither here nor there people who doesn't know their left from their right & these ones are generally pastors bashers but only time will position these ones !

IS NIGERIA HEADING THE WAY OF TURKEY? From history, the apostles were first called Christians in Antioch the ancient Syria which is today's Turkey and Christianity lasted there for only 1,023 years before the present percentage of 0.02 percent and Islam about 98 percent. It was the same Turkey Apostle John took Mary the mother of Jesus to after the death of Christ. What do you think lead to the rapid decline of Christianity in Turkey ?

Simple,Osman Ghazi the brain Child of the Ottoman empire capitalized on the disunity amongst christian denominations ! The contemporary Christians are at it again ! We fight denominationally ! We kick against the anglicans becos we are catholics,we kick against the Pentecostals becos we are anglicans,we kick against the baptists becos catholics etc ! These we do some times unknowingly! Some are out there waiting to capitalize on our disunity to send us into OBLIVION !

God help us !

Pastor Ayo Oritsejafor the persecuted one !
''However, we note with dismay the unguarded utterances of some leaders that they will call on their followers to defend themselves.''-Jama’atu Nasril Islam
From the above as stated by the Jama’atu Nasril Islam(JNI)goes further and clearly again to show that it is the game of tit for tat. Let's consider below few quotes from Oritsejafor:

''If you continue to forcefully convert our girls to muslims that means you have declared war on Christianity''
''If you do not stop bombing us and our churches we will be forced to defend ourselves''
''Islamic leaders and cleric please call Boko Haram to order''
''We too, want to have freedom, freedom of religion, freedom to worship as we choose without fear, we want to have justice, based in equality and not driven by discriminatory religious practices. Let me remind us that this is not about economics but about an ideology that has a history of sponsoring genocide across the globe.”-Oritsejafor addressing a US Congress subcommittee concerning terrorist attacks on Christians in Nigeria.

From the above statements uttered by Oritsejafor,i think i can understand how the Jama’atu Nasril Islam( JNI) and other Islamic bodies and leaders would want to continually tie him up completely with the purported failed arms deal or money laundry as it were.
If a man says he has a private Jet under lease with a particular company called Eagle air not minding if he has interest in that company or not and the said Eagle Air company put the Jet up for lease with another company called Green Coast Produce Ltd who in turn hire this Jet to a certain persons for a certain Business, How should it be that it is the owner of the Jet we run to first to ask questions if not for a fact that this Owner is our enemy or once upon a time a pain in our a.s,s. ! The first persons to query in this case are the persons been caught with the said 9.3 million dollars.The second group should be the operators of the Jet(Green Coast Produce ltd) and by extension, Eagle Air would be involved since they are supposed to ask questions if they hear that the company they leased out their Jet to isn't forth coming with positive news concerning their property. As the Owner of the Jet,I get worried when I don't receive any alert from these operators or Eagle Air with which I have residual interest in. The Only reason people generally will not confront the federal government and query them heavily concerning the failed arms deal should be when they have something negative already concerning Oritsejafor who is in my opinion a bizness man the bible has also encouraged, for us not to heavily rely on tithes and offerings of followers. No wonder Apostle Paul says he works with his hand to make a living and not rely on the congregation.‘’We work wearily with our own hands to earn our living.......''1 Corinthians 4:12a.
Oritsejafor should be the last person to be queried concerning this issue and the reasons are numerous: He isn't the operator of the Jet even though he owns it.He isn't the company that leased it from the operators. He isn't even the charterer or among the persons found on the Jet. He is not FG that says the money belongs to them. But he is definitely the first outspoken CAN president and the very first CAN leader to openly declare his interest in supporting a Christian leader (G.E.J)a spiritual son(G.E.J) who supports his ministry and calls him father spiritually speaking.
Some ask questions ranging from why did the government not use a military Jet but a private Jet and I say,if the operation according to government is a ‘covert operation’ you still expect them to go with a military Jet ? Use ur head mates! Why should it be Oritsejafor’s Jet that must be chartered according to El-rufai ? To put things straight, he only owns it but does not have the power to say who charters it or decide the destination and cargo aboard the jet since he does not operate it. Besides, a Jet must be chartered for this 'covert operation' according to FG and fortunately and unfortunately, it was Ayo,s Jet that was Chartered.(who will not want his jet to be chartered?) Besides, it is possible that Ayo must have told all his 'sons in the lord' that his jet is currently up for lease now and in case they have any private bizness they should charter his Jet so as to increase bizness for Eagle Air where he has interest, BECAUSE more bizness to either eagle Air or green coast produce means more money for Oritsejafor who in my opinion is a pastor and a business man !
I just think some catholics ignorantly will be hitting hard at Oritsejafor since he is a Pentecostal pastor and since they equally claim not to be part of CAN not knowing that in the body of Christ if the hand suffers the leg will soon feel the impact because the devil is aiming the head in the long run. I can understand why the muslims should call for Ayo's head. Oritsejafor is a terror to the enemy and you don't expect the enemy to go and sleep while you terrorise his kingdom. They must fight to bring down their enemy.But we still have some Pentecostal Christians who are in APC and are not just happy that AYO is an ARDENT supporter of G.E.J & does not hide it & they say bring him up for a roast! There are some others who just because AYO isn't their pastor not minding that they are also Pentecostals, they say AYO should be stoned.We have the neither here nor there people who doesn't know their left from their right & these ones are generally pastors bashers but only time will position these ones !

IS NIGERIA HEADING THE WAY OF TURKEY? From history, the apostles were first called Christians in Antioch the ancient Syria which is today's Turkey and Christianity lasted there for only 1,023 years before the present percentage of 0.02 percent and Islam about 98 percent. It was the same Turkey Apostle John took Mary the mother of Jesus to after the death of Christ. What do you think lead to the rapid decline of Christianity in Turkey ?

Simple,Osman Ghazi the brain Child of the Ottoman empire capitalized on the disunity amongst christian denominations ! The contemporary Christians are at it again ! We fight denominationally ! We kick against the anglicans becos we are catholics,we kick against the Pentecostals becos we are anglicans,we kick against the baptists becos catholics etc ! These we do some times unknowingly! Some are out there waiting to capitalize on our disunity to send us into OBLIVION !

God help us !

''However, we note with dismay the unguarded utterances of some leaders that they will call on their followers to defend themselves.''
From the above as stated by the JNI goes clearly again that it is the game of tit for tat. Let's consider below few quotes from Oritsejafor:
''If you continue to forcefully convert our girls to muslims that means you have declared war on Christianity''
''If you do not stop bombing us and our churches we will be forced to defend ourselves''
''Islamic leaders and cleric please call Boko Haram to order''
''We too, want to have freedom, freedom of religion, freedom to worship as we choose without fear, we want to have justice, based in equality and not driven by discriminatory religious practices. Let me remind us that this is not about economics but about an ideology that has a history of sponsoring genocide across the globe.”-Oritsejafor addressing a US Congress subcommittee concerning terrorist attacks on Christians in Nigeria.

From the above statements uttered by Oritsejafor,i think i can understand how the JNI and other Islamic bodies and leaders would want to continually tie him up completely with the purported failed arms deal or money laundry as it were.
If a man says he has a private Jet under lease with a particular company called Eagle air not minding if he has interest in that company or not and the said Eagle Air company put the Jet up for lease with another company called Green Coast Produce Ltd who inturn hire this Jet to a certain persons for a certain Business, How should it be that it is the owner of the Jet we run to first to ask questions if not that this Owner is ur enemy or once upon a time a pain in ur a.s,s. ! The first persons to quesry in this case are the persons been caught with the said 9.3 million dollars.The second group should be the operators of the Jet(Green Coast Produce ltd) and by extension,Eagle Air would be involved since they are supposed to ask questions if they hear that the company they leased out their Jet to isn't forth coming with positive news concerning their property.As the Owner of the Jet,I get worried when I don't receive any alert from these operators or Eagle Air with which I have residual interest in. The Only reason people generally will not confront the federal government and query them heavily concerning the failed arms deal should be when they have something negative already concerning Oritsejafor who is in my opinion a bizness man the bible has always encouraged,for us not to heavily rely on tithes and offering.No wonder Apostle Paul says he works with his hand to make a living and not rely on the congregation.''We work wearily with our own hands to earn our living.......''1 Corinthians 4:12a.
Oritsejafor should be the last person to be queried concerning this issue and the reasons are numerous: He isn't the operator of the Jet even though he owns it.He isn't the company that leased it from the operators.He isn't even the charterer or among the persons found on the Jet.He is is not FG that says the money belongs to them.But he is definitely the first outspoken CAN president and the very first CAN leader to openly declear his interest in supporting a Christian leader(G.EJ)a spiritual son(G.E.J) who supports his ministry.
Some ask some questions ranging from why did the government not use a military Jet but a private Jet and I say,if the operation according to government is a covert operation you still expect them they go with a military Jet ? Use ur head mates ! Why should it be Oritsejafors Jet that must be chartered according to El-rufai ? To put things straight,he only owns it but does not have the power to say who charters it since he does not operate it.Besides,a Jet must be chartered for this 'covert operation' and fortunately and unfortunately,it was Ayo,s Jet that was Chartered.Besides,it is possible that Ayo must have told all his 'sons in the lord' in the lord that his jet is currently up for lease now and in case they have any private bizness they should charter his Jet so as to increase biz for Eagle Air where he has interest,BECAUSE more bizness to either eagle Air or green coast produce means more money for Oritsejafor.
In my own opinion,i think some catholics who are ignorant will be hitting hard at Oritsejafor since he is a Pentecostal pastor and since they equally claim not to be part of CAN not knowing that in the body of Christ if the hand suffers the leg will soon feel the impact because the devil is aiming the head in the long run. I can understand why the muslims should call for Ayo's head. Oritsejafor is a terror to the enemy and you don't expect the enemy to go and sleep. They must fight to bring down their enemies. But we still have some Pentecostal Christians who are in APC and are not just happy tha AYO is an ardent supporter of Goodluck and does not hide it and they say bring him up for a roast ! There are some others who just becaus AYO isn't their pastor not minding that they are Pentecostals,they say AYO should be stoned. We have the neither here nor there who doesn't know their left from their right but only time will position these ones !

IS NIGERIA HEADING THE WAY OF TURKEY ? From history,the apostles were first called Christians in Antioch the ancient Syria which is the today's Turkey and Christianity lasted there for only 1,023 years before the present percentage of 0.02 percent and Islam about 98 percent and it was the same Turkey Apostle John took Mary the mother of Jesus to after the death of Christ. What do you think lead to the rapid decline of Christianity in Turkey ?

Simple,Osman Ghazi the brain Child of the Ottoman empire capitalized on the disunity amongst christian denominations ! The contemporary Christians are at it again ! We fight denominationally ! We kick against the anglicans becos we are catholics,we kick against the Pentecostals becos we are anglicans,we kick against the baptists becos catholics etc ! These we do some times unknowingly! Some are out there waiting to capitalize on our disunity to send us into OBLIVION !

God help us !

WHEN WILL CHRISTIANS INCLUDING 'MEN OF GOD' START GOING THROUGH ALL AS LISTED BELOW ? Time is ticking out........

[b]''What blessings await you when people hate you and exclude you and mock you and curse you as evil because you follow the Son of Man.-Luke 6:22
''For to you has been given the privilege not only of trusting him but also of suffering for him''.-Philipians 1:29
''When these things begin to happen, watch out! You will be handed over to the local councils and beaten in the synagogues. You will stand trial before governors and kings because you are my followers. But this will be your opportunity to tell them about me''.-Mark 13:9
''And everyone will hate you because you are my followers.[a] But the one who endures to the end will be saved.''-Mark 13:13
''But he said, “Why all this weeping? You are breaking my heart! I am ready not only to be jailed at Jerusalem but even to die for the sake of the Lord Jesus.”Acts 21:13
''For you will be expelled from the synagogues, and the time is coming when those who kill you will think they are doing a holy service for God.''-John 16:2
''They will do all this to you because of me, for they have rejected the one who sent me.''-John 15:21[/b]

[[b]color=#990000]WHEN WILL CHRISTIANS INCLUDING 'MEN OF GOD' START GOING THROUGH ALL AS LISTED BELOW ? Time is ticking out........

''What blessings await you when people hate you and exclude you and mock you and curse you as evil because you follow the Son of Man.-Luke 6:22
''For to you has been given the privilege not only of trusting him but also of suffering for him''.-Philipians 1:29
''When these things begin to happen, watch out! You will be handed over to the local councils and beaten in the synagogues. You will stand trial before governors and kings because you are my followers. But this will be your opportunity to tell them about me''.-Mark 13:9
''And everyone will hate you because you are my followers.[a] But the one who endures to the end will be saved.''-Mark 13:13
''But he said, “Why all this weeping? You are breaking my heart! I am ready not only to be jailed at Jerusalem but even to die for the sake of the Lord Jesus.”Acts 21:13
''For you will be expelled from the synagogues, and the time is coming when those who kill you will think they are doing a holy service for God.''-John 16:2
''They will do all this to you because of me, for they have rejected the one who sent me.''-John 15:21[/color][/b]

Eberex: Do you possess all these, if not all, some?

Obviously I lack peace ! As for the rest,I think I can score my self a B !

God help us

talima: . I care. Am not a catholic but sincerely, ayo is partisan and he is weldding CAN into partisan politics.

Ayo is not partisan,he is G.E.JEAN ! He is not hiding it at all.If he is partisan he will not call out muslims specifically for their unfettered support/sympathy for BOKOHARAM ! He knows too well that there are muslims in PDP but he still call the muslim leaders to call their boys to order. He sees Jonathan as his son,brother and a Christian at that who should be protected period .

God help us

[b]Ayo is in no doubt a supporter of G.E.J but not pdp just like some other anointed men of God like ADEBOYE. If i'm the CAN president,i will support a christian son of mine who calls me 'father' ! Oritsejafor advises G.E.J but not all his advise will be adhered to ! A christian pastor or reverend should 'protect' his sheep and this is exactly what Oritsejafor is doing for G.E.J and there is nothing wrong with that.Catholics who are ignorant may think that the war is between them and Pentecostals,how wrong ! You as a catholic may be against Oritsejafor but that does not mean God is against him. the voice of ignorant people or unbelievers can't be the voice of God. Majority can't be right but one with God is always right ! Muslims are happy with the disunity in Christianity and soon they will capitalize on it to undue Christianity. But Jesus said,since the days of John the baptist, the kingdom of God surffereth violence........ Oritsejafor is a terror to the enemy and the enemy and his agents aren't finding it funny ! The world(devil) has always been comfortable with passiveness been brought in by the oppressors of the early Christians,but the likes of Oritsejafor says no. We need to be hot for Christ and not lukewarmlike !

God help us[/b]

[b]Ayo is in no doubt a supporter of G.E.J but not pdp just like some other anointed men of God like ADEBOYE. If i'm the CAN president,i will support a christian son of mine who calls me 'father' ! Oritsejafor advises G.E.J but not all his advise will be adhered to ! A christian pastor or reverend should 'protect' his sheep and this is exactly what Oritsejafor is doing for G.E.J and there is nothing wrong with that.Catholics who are ignorant may think that the war is between them and Pentecostals,how wrong ! You as a catholic may be against Oritsejafor but that does not mean God is against him. the voice of ignorant people or unbelievers can't be the voice of God. Majority can't be right but one with God is always right ! Muslims are happy with the disunity in Christianity and soon they will capitalize on it to undue Christianity. But Jesus said,since the days of John the baptist, the kingdom of God surffereth violence........ Oritsejafor is a terror to the enemy and the enemy and his agents aren't finding it funny ! The world(devil) has always been comfortable with passiveness been brought in by the oppressors of the early Christians,but the likes of Oritsejafor says no. We need to be hot for Christ and not lukewarmlike !

God help us[/b]

JustME7: I'm not a catholic, but I support their decision. Ayo has been seen in many political gatherings and he fully supports pdp (or GEJ) which is not supposed to be so. His time is up. Another new leader should be elected.

Ayo is in no doubt a supporter of G.E.J but not pdp just like some other anointed men of God like ADEBOYE. If i'm the CAN president,i will support a christian son of mine who calls me 'father' ! Oritsejafor advises G.E.J but not all his advise will be adhered to ! A christian pastor or reverend should 'protect' his sheep and this is exactly what Oritsejafor is doing for G.E.J and there is nothing wrong with that.Catholics who are ignorant may think that the war is between them and Pentecostals,how wrong ! You as a catholic may be against Oritsejafor but that does not mean God is against him. the voice of ignorant people or unbelievers can't be the voice of God. Majority can't be right but one with God is always right ! Muslims are happy with the disunity in Christianity and soon they will capitalize on it to undue Christianity. But Jesus said,since the days of John the baptist, the kingdom of God surffereth violence........ Oritsejafor is a terror to the enemy and the enemy and his agents aren't finding it funny ! The world(devil) has always been comfortable with passiveness been brought in by the oppressors of the early Christians,but the likes of Oritsejafor says no. We need to be hot for Christ and not lukewarmlike !

God help us

lokito: There are only two churches in the world, the Catholic Church and Others.

The others are the Christian Churches and the Roman catholic church is the ROMAN church !

God help us

gabriel212: y does this report omit PASTOR AYO ORITSEJAFOR NAME as the owner of one of the aircraft

Is he the owner ? If you sell ur house to some body u go still dey claim ownership ? Oritsejafor has long sold his private Jet and how does this concern the revered man of God ?

God help us

Obinoscopy: Hmmmmm......

Scientists and their jargons. All they do is explain the process. But what is the driving force behind the process? They obviously don't know.

Thanks bro ! They always come and tell us how some molecular substance develops into some other aterykyortic membrane BUT tell them to tell us wetin be the first source,dem no go ever know. I thank God they were able to explain what a spiritual attack is or looks like giving it their own name. Thank God dey never denied that it does happen. Na so dem shout well well concerning mamy water say na lie nothing like that until they came in direct contact with 'her' dem come confirm say e dey but na an aquatic creature wey no change completely into human durring evolution !

God help us