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Must you love your spouse before marriage?
One of the biggest problems singles have in the choice of their spouse is trying to find the one they love. This has led to a lot of late marriages, and some are still not married. It is a device of the devil to cause late marriages and single parenthood. A believer meets a lady he likes. She is beautiful and a true born again. Instead of marrying her, he tells you he does not love her. The love being referred here is emotional love and not the true love. Please understand that true love is not a feeling or an emotion but your sacrificial action for another who does not deserve it. Strong emotions may accompany true love, but it is the commitment of will that does not fail. There is nothing wrong with emotions but it is dangerous when your marriage is based on emotions. Any marriage that is based on emotions or feelings would always fail. For instance, a man who marries a lady because he is emotionally attracted to her slim shape and flat tummy is making a big mistake. Because after a few years or after she may have given birth, her wonderful shape and flat tummy will change. When that happens, the man will no longer be happy with the marriage because his reason for marrying her, which is her wonderful shape and flat tummy, is no longer there. Emotion will change, and may lead to frustration and probably separation. Because emotional love varies, it is not wise to rely on it as a basis for marrying somebody. Because emotional love changes, you may not be emotionally attracted to someone today, but you may become attracted to the same person tomorrow. That is the reason why somebody may emotionally attracted to a person at first sight, and it may take some time to develop emotional love towards another person. Emotional love cannot be relied on; it varies, and as such cannot be a reason for marrying or for not marrying somebody. Though, it is not wrong to have emotional love towards your spouse before marriage. I have to let you know that you can also marry your spouse and develop emotional love towards her or him after the marriage. Isaac married Rebekah before he developed emotional love towards her (Genesis 24:67). The fact is that Isaac couldn’t have loved Rebekah before the marriage because he saw her face only after the marriage. If God directs your steps to your intended spouse who is a true believer, and you like the person, please go ahead and marry him or her. Emotional love is not a criterion for choosing a spouse. God bless you .

4C2215131: Seems to me the Catholic church has got their work cut out for them. Times are really changing. This development used to be the bane of the 'protestant' christian world but as it is the change and spirit of the times seem to be engulfing the Catholic church too. I wonder how Benedict will be feeling right now given his conservatism. Let's see how it all unfolds.

The catholic church has been this way but this pope is living it out !

God help us all

nwadaigbo: lets judge it this way; between an atheist who does not steal, oppress the poor, and a christian, who does all those things mentioned above, who will make heaven?

None of them !
A christian does not do all those things !

God help us

chuqudy: Em well, people fail to understand that Pope Francis is a Jesuit. .

Nothing concern us and Jesuit ! If you like they Jesuit dey go or dey rotary dey go,if you don leave out the word dat one concern you !
I don't live a care free or careless life,i live the life of Jesus and it is neither careless or care free ! The life of Jesus is a life of responsibility and as for me,my Christianity is a response to Jesus ability in my life !

God help us

tsmith: i laugh in Greece!!!

So what makes you better than me? Using every yardstick possible:

Heavenly - I'm rest assured I'd make heaven ahead of you!!!
Spiritually - i bet you still run to pastor to bless you, your child, work and for prayers. I pray myself to God and I get answers
Earthly - I also bet many things you are yet to dream of or attempt, I already have, because i believe! Prescence; secured. Future secured! Nepa sef, secured! And you are here saying someone is in darkness? abeg, go top up your 'i better pass my neighbour' with petrol

That young man might hav drawn his conclusion concerning ur person from ur write ups earlier ! So,what you tell him now that you are does not matter any more to him but may be to God ! At this point,any one of you can claim to have anything whether it's true or not we don't know but i think if i want to know i will simply go back to ur previous comments !

God help us

tsmith: I posted on the need for religion to be brought up to date and into the 21st century, [/b]I think backdated religion is man’s greatest problem today; Nigeria is a an exemplary case study!

I am not gay, and would only be flattered if my fellow female made a pass at me, however with a polite decline. Yet, been gay doesn’t mean one can’t be useful in God’s vineyard or can’t be a child of God. The hypocrisy of the Church is laughable!

[b]Religion can be updated but not the word of God ! The word of God does not respect centuries ! It is there and can never change !
Grace does not permit us to lie to people in the name of preaching the grace message.Grace message does not permit sin but shows the mercies of God ! The grace message brings us out of sin not to leave us in sin.How can you tell some one who does not believe in God or HIS son Jesus to ride on becos he/she will make it into heaven after all ? You may be ignorantly aiding people to hell or it may just be that you know you are damned already and want the damnation of others !

God help us

endy231: Hi guys,
There are plenty things in the bible ohhhhhh
You cant just read the bible and claim born again by holding to the facts that the bible said that if you dont belief in Jesus you wont see heaven.

Permit to ask these questions again;

Are all the muslims going to end up in hell. (cause they dont belief in Jesus, forget about bokoharam, there are still very good muslims out there)

Are all our ancestors that worshiped idols or other gods all going to end up in hell? (Remember that some of them never had the chance to know about Jesus)

Does it mean that everyone that does good, but does not belief in Jesus, would end up in hell?

Didnt the same bible say that GOD is all merciful. How do u interpret the mercy of God.

There are certain things we shouldnt talk about, if we are not sure.
God is God and he would continue to be God. The ways of God is not like the ways of man. You cant think for God, so keep your suggestions to urself. On that day, we all shall know.

Just like i love telling people, if there is anything not to play with at all in the bible, it is that PHRASE. God is LOVE. Remember the golden rule: Love one another.

Obeying this rule alone, can take you placessssssssssssssssssssss (I never said it would take you to heaven) but God is a fair God.

God is merciful,fair and very very principled ! When Jesus said if you don't believe in HIS words,that you will die in ur sins !
Why didn't Jesus just say well,if you don't believe,it doesn't mean becos i am merciful you will not die in ur sin but make it into heaven ? When He said ''no one cometh to the father except by me'',why didn't he just say,well if you don't believe in me,becos i am merciful i will just allow you go to the father through other sources ?
God is merciful.If God is not merciful HE wouldn't had sent HIS only begotten son to come die for man kind ! Whick kind mercy you dey find again? Simple thing just to believe you said NO and you dey look for mercy !

God help us

italo: So you think all non-Christians are going to hell?

If all people today who hear the preaching of the good news(Jesus death,resurrection and ascension to bring salvation to mankind) and don't heed to it,will be qualified for hell,NO STORY !
In as much as i want all to make it to heaven,the reason i preach Jesus today.But if it happens that i see atheists who do not believe in heaven and others who do not accept and follow Jesus,eventually make it into heaven,then i will have a big meeting with Christ for questioning and answers in heaven ! He is my father I AM VERY SURE HE WILL ANSWER ME .

God help us

Gpattern: Paul said, if any one, be it a man, an angel or even him paul teach any thing out side what he have thought, let him be acursed... And what paul thought is that only Jesus can save. So for me the pope is wrong in this matter.

By their fruit we can know them no be only when pastor buy private Jest o,or sleep with his worker for church but stuffs like this has got also to do with the fruit inherent in a man !

God help us

Atigba: The bible verses you just quoted was put there by the same catholic church...go and read the church history what you believe today is what they made you to believe you can tell me you know no more than the pope.

some times the way we reason surprises one !But come to think of it,atheists hold on to their error(NO GOD)till the very day they encounter the holy spirit.Since you don dey claim again say na you give me the scriptures wey i no even know how you take give me scripture wey God give HIS servants long time ago before the roman catholics,how come you no want me to follow the scriptures wey you dey claim say you give me ? I quoted the scriptures to you and not the 'bible'per se and you dey claim say the word of God na ur word !
If i ask you again you go come tell me how the traditions of men suppose to be superior than the word of God. If i come shout too much you go come tell me again say afterall say na man na him write the bible self !
The point is whenever a man,organisation,institution or cult makes a mistake,if they fail to acknowledge it and take correction,they make another mistake to defend the initial mistake !

God help us all

Nigerian movie: did Abraham Moses Isaac Jacob Lazarus believe in Jesus? How come they're in heaven??

Yes they believed in Jesus if you don't know ! They never worshiped idol.
See below where Jesus said even David recognized and worshipped HIM:
Psalm 110:1''The Lord said to my Lord,
“Sit at My right hand,
Till I make Your enemies Your footstool.”

Mathew 22:41-44
''While the Pharisees were gathered together, Jesus asked them, “What do you think about the Messiah? Whose son is he?”
“The son of David,” they replied.
He said to them, “How is it then that David, speaking by the Spirit, calls him ‘Lord’? For he says,
“‘The Lord said to my Lord: “Sit at my right hand until I put your enemies under your feet.”’

Mathew 17:1-3'' After six days Jesus took with him Peter, James and John the brother of James, and led them up a high mountain by themselves. There he was transfigured before them. His face shone like the sun, and his clothes became as white as the light. Just then there appeared before them Moses and Elijah, talking with Jesus.
Jesus had always being with the father relating with the prophets of old for HE had being in existence before Abraham so Abraham knew HIM for HE had always been admonished by Jesus the son of God.

God help us

Well the pope has spoken but i thank God i don't follow the pope but Jesus !
See below words of the master Jesus HIMSELF:

"You are of this world; I am not of this world. I told you that you would die in your sins; if you do not believe that I am the one I claim to be, you will indeed die in your sins."

—John 8:23,24

"He who rejects me rejects him who sent me."

—Luke 10:16

"Whoever believes in him (Jesus) is not condemned, but whoever does not believe stands condemned already because he has not believed in the name of God's one and only Son. This is the verdict: light has come into the world, but men loved darkness instead of light because their deeds were evil. Everyone who does evil hates the light, and will not come into the light for fear that his deeds will be exposed. But whoever lives by the truth comes into the light."

—John 3:18-21

"I am the resurrection and the life. He who believes in me will live, even though he dies; and whoever lives and believes in me will never die. Do you believe this?"

—John 11:25,26
"I am the way and the truth and the life. No-one comes to the Father except through me. If you really knew me, you would know my Father as well."

—John 14:6

"The Father judges no-one, but has entrusted all judgment to the Son, that all may honour the Son just as they honour the Father. He who does not honour the Son does not honour the Father, who sent him. I tell you the truth, whoever hears my word and believes him who sent me has eternal life and will not be condemned; he has crossed over from death to life. I tell you the truth, a time is coming and has now come when the dead will hear the voice of the Son of God and those who hear will live. For as the Father has life in himself, so he has granted the Son to have life in himself. And he has given him authority to judge because he is the Son of Man. Do not be amazed at this, for a time is coming when all who are in their graves will hear his voice."

—John 5:21-28

Concerning conscience,the bible said for those who never heard about Jesus or HIS father before their death had conscience given to them and would be judged based on that BUT NOT FOR UNBELIEVERS WHO HEARD JESUS BUT FAILED TO BELIVE IN HIM AND HIS WORDS.-Hell things folks ! See below for urself :
John 8:23-24''But he continued, “You are from below; I am from above. You are of this world; I am not of this world. I told you that you would die in your sins; if you do not believe that I am he, you will indeed die in your sins.”

God help us

Well the pope has spoken but i thank God i don't follow the pope but Jesus !
See below words of the master Jesus HIMSELF:

"You are of this world; I am not of this world. I told you that you would die in your sins; if you do not believe that I am the one I claim to be, you will indeed die in your sins."

—John 8:23,24

"He who rejects me rejects him who sent me."

—Luke 10:16

"Whoever believes in him (Jesus) is not condemned, but whoever does not believe stands condemned already because he has not believed in the name of God's one and only Son. This is the verdict: light has come into the world, but men loved darkness instead of light because their deeds were evil. Everyone who does evil hates the light, and will not come into the light for fear that his deeds will be exposed. But whoever lives by the truth comes into the light."

—John 3:18-21

"I am the resurrection and the life. He who believes in me will live, even though he dies; and whoever lives and believes in me will never die. Do you believe this?"

—John 11:25,26
"I am the way and the truth and the life. No-one comes to the Father except through me. If you really knew me, you would know my Father as well."

—John 14:6

"The Father judges no-one, but has entrusted all judgment to the Son, that all may honour the Son just as they honour the Father. He who does not honour the Son does not honour the Father, who sent him. I tell you the truth, whoever hears my word and believes him who sent me has eternal life and will not be condemned; he has crossed over from death to life. I tell you the truth, a time is coming and has now come when the dead will hear the voice of the Son of God and those who hear will live. For as the Father has life in himself, so he has granted the Son to have life in himself. And he has given him authority to judge because he is the Son of Man. Do not be amazed at this, for a time is coming when all who are in their graves will hear his voice."

—John 5:21-28
Concerning conscience,the bible said for those who never heard about Jesus or HIS father before their death had conscience given to them and would be judged based on that BUT NOT FOR UNBELIEVERS WHO HEARD JESUS BUT FAILED TO BELIVE IN HIM AND HIS WORDS.-Hell things folks ! See below for urself :
John 8:23-24''But he continued, “You are from below; I am from above. You are of this world; I am not of this world. I told you that you would die in your sins; if you do not believe that I am he, you will indeed die in your sins.”

God help us

EMMA BC: which other way to teach the faithful how to make heaven if not preach and demonstrate humility and discipline. That is what the pope has done. Jesus said for u you to make heaven u must be like one of these little children- humility

In submission to the word of God !

God help us

[quote author=Onye~Ego]Its in d church tradition handed down by Christ himself... W[b]hen christ was ascending he gave power to men... To do according to d directives and d instruction of the spirit[/b][/quote]@bolded lol ! How come we criticize the Oyedepos and adeboyes for having private Jets since Jesus never had one and we turn around to claim that Christ gave power to men to do as instructed by the holy spirit ! I think they also acquire private Jets based on the instruction of the holy spirit and Reverend King burnt his members based on the instructions he received from the holy spirit!
My advice is we should not do anything that contradict the scriptures as found in the holy bible period.The same spirit that aided the inspiration of the spirit is the same at work today.It does not change.It does not contradict it self.If you receive any revelation that contradict the scriptures as enshrined in the bible,it means that revelation MUST be from a contrary spirit. A Muslim colleague of mine said the same spirit that gave Jesus the word gave mohamed the contradictory words thereafter-How wrong !

God help us

Built2last: giving to the poor is needful in christianity but dont tell me to be poor as an evidence that i am a christian.

Poor people don't give ! You need to have something before you can give something.

God help us

emmasege: And did he forbid marriage for his apostles?. By the way, u can never equate the Lord Jesus with the Pope. U can only compare him with another mortal in the Lord's vineyard.
You haven't answered my question. Peter is refered to as the first Pope, so how come his successors were and are still not married. Is it God's specific instruction or human tradition. Am aware of the portion of the Bible that supports celebacy for the Kingdom cause, but it's never mandatory and Paul even attests to that when he acknowledged that he also had the right to marry just like other apostles. He simply chose not to. Back to my question, why are Peter's successors not married?

Becos the bible was silent on whether Paul was once married or .... and the church decided to be quiet on that one so as not to impute to the bible! If not for the fact that Peters Mother in-law was mentioned,many would hav claimed he was never married !
Some claim today that since Apostle Paul was a Sanhedrin before conversion and one of the criteria for becoming a Sanhedrin is you must be married,that Apostle Paul was a Sanhedrin and was most definitely married but most probably the wife left him after his conversion. I don't believe this account simply becos the bible never recorded it !
But we all thank God that we can be pastors as either singles or married !

God help us all

[quote author=Onye~Ego]was christ married??[/quote]He did not come to the world to marry and never asked us not to marry for HIS course rather that some decided not to,some where talked out of it and some came to the world just that way not to !

God help us

Confusionist: Who will reject such an offer wen the world will be watching?

The pope did noble !
But i tell you even Oyedepo the much criticized MOG in naija would do same if not for anything but for publicity as well,becos his 'bodyguards' would be amazed and linda Ikeji and nairaland would hav it on front page just to criticize him !

God help us all

Pattey: So what are you doing here on NairaLand? Enjoying gossip?

In other news, when you have issues with your spouse, you resolve it in-house BUT when it becomes a recurrent troublesome issue that keeps recurring after 'you resolved it', what do you do?

Inform family, pastor? Or still keep quiet?

There is a difference between the church showing remorse over wrong doing AND asking someone to shut the heck up; of course doing it wit coded diplomacy - the bible!

Your hatred for the church and his servants can't change the word of God !

God help me

ifeness: I appreciate the reply and i will do my best to elaborate more on my view

Firstly i will like to say i was born into a Deeperlife family. I was raised in the doctrine till i was 17 years of age,after which i moved to the Uk. I never had the privilaged to watch the TV,use a computer etc as they were all regarded as sinful. I had a very strict deeper life parents who unforced i went to church almost every day of the week. I even at a point preached about Jesus to people,i regarded people who did not think like me as evil etc. I became a container overflowing with Deeperlife doctrine.

I was a very curious person so i asked a lot of questions my Deeperlife pastors couldn't answer. Example...why did God say "let us make man in our image" and not i want to "create" man in "my" image? Who did Cain marry, why did God put the tree in the garden,why was God always angry, why did jesus tell so many lies, why must we mention the blood of Jesus etc

I had no concret answer. I once had an opportunity to ask Kumuyi a question when he came to port harcourt,at a student programm....he said" when we get to heaven,we will ask God many questions". I wasn't fooled,i then realised the church wasnt for me. Since the head pastor doesn't have a clue about my questions,why follow what he says. Most of the time i was labelled an Anichrist. Anytime i raised my hands to ask question,i was always ignored. I felt i was among ignorant people who had been brainwashed. My parents even threatened to disown me if i kept asking demonic questions. Well they did finally and i processed my British passport and i was off to England.

I have been to almost all the museums in Europe,i have been to Egypt. I have read the Vedas,Bible,Quran,even the lost gospels......i am 100% sure Juses's story was hijacked. The story of Huros in Egypt are exactly the same as that written in the bible.

There is a story about Yashua/isa in isreal,India and the present day Palestine . But these stories claimed there was a man from Israel who was crucified but did not die on the cross. He wife's name was Mary,they had kids who went to France( i wil be in France later today,i will visit the Paris museum on Saturday,if i find anything regarding the history of Mary and merovigian family,the bloodline of Jesus i will share them with you if you like). Check out jesus of Kashmir online and you will find the story about jesus's burial tomb in India. Look it up with an open mind. We should learn to seek the truth cos it will set us free. My feeling is jesus was used to contineu the yearly Sun worshiping rituals. This is a guy that did not write a book,no statue of him was made, no one apart from his followers wrote about his deeds. The bible was written 300 years after he allegedly flew back into space. Paul the apostle wrote a lot about a man he never met,spoke to......

About my quote about the annunaki : "The White race are the descendents of the White Annunaki/Nordic Aliens.The black race was the slave race created by the Annunaki/Nordic Aliens by genetically manipulating the DNA of the Cro Magnon and Ape."

I got that from a white supremacy site,where they regard black people as slave. I will post you the link when i find it....but i have a train t catch now....


Later

I just finished reading ur stories and feel more very very sorry for you ! For i know now that you have gone very very far down below. No matter what anyone say here can't change you ! It is only the holy spirit that can save you ! I pray for you that you will locate Christ prior ur death in the name of Jesus ...Amen.
Good luck to ur research as you head to France but i tell you,that such research will take you farther and father down below untill the holy spirit intervenes !

God help u

Ayekooto2013: Yeah. It is. But there are times you have to call what is evil as evil and sinful as sinful according to the scripture. If we all focus on our own salvation alone, I doubt we would consider it necessary to preach salvation and the gospel to others since its really a personal thing.

Preaching salvation isn't name calling and being judgmental ! It isn't bein denominational and it isn't castigating others for not believing in our beliefs.Finally,the good news isn't saying what you don't know ! It is all about Jesus .

See below the standard before utterances:
Phillipians 4:8 '' Finally, brothers and sisters, whatever is true, whatever is noble, whatever is right, whatever is pure, whatever is lovely, whatever is admirable—if anything is excellent or praiseworthy—think about such things.''

If you must comment on an issue,consider the above to see if ur utterances meets the above requirement before you go ahead,if not,keep ur cool and keep praying for the church until you are consulted to settle a dispute.

God help us

Joagbaje: I don't approve of the attack against this man's vehicle , Even though the marshals have their own side of the story. If I go to a place and I'm told not to park , I should respect myself and move away from there. But that aside . My concern is the wrong step the brother took against his own church. Which was not scriptural . We can offend one another but Church matters are to be dealt with in the church. There are principles in the scriptures .

Matthew 18:15-17
“If your brother sins against you, go and rebuke him in private. If he listens to you, you have won your brother. But if he won’t listen, take one or two more with you, so that by the testimony of two or three witnesses every fact may be established. If he pays no attention to them, tell the church. But if he doesn’t pay attention even to the church, let him be like an unbeliever and a tax collector to you.

We don't wash our linen openly to the glare of sinners. We must respect the church. It's not about hiding a matter ,it's giving honor to christ. He hates it when sinners make mockery of the church .

1 Corinthians 6:1
DOES ANY of you dare, when he has a matter of complaint against another [brother], to go to law before unrighteous men [men neither upright nor right with God, laying it before them] instead of before the saints (the people of God)?

Are you saying this scriptures are not for us?

You quoted paul , Peter and christ. It's not applicable , because Paul rebuked Peter in the congregation. He didnt go to the Agora market or the hill of Mars to ridicule his brethren whom he took communion with by the blood of Jesus . A matter can only go to the law of the church authority can't handle it.

Face book or Nairaland is for gossip . If you have misunderstanding with your spouse ,do you go public with it? Does it mean you are hiding truth. That's just my point . And that's how Jesus sees it

You are simply the best !

God bless you.

God help us

Joagbaje: I don't approve of the attack against this man's vehicle , Even though the marshals have their own side of the story. If I go to a place and I'm told not to park , I should respect myself and move away from there. But that aside . My concern is the wrong step the brother took against his own church. Which was not scriptural . We can offend one another but Church matters are to be dealt with in the church. There are principles in the scriptures .

Matthew 18:15-17
“If your brother sins against you, go and rebuke him in private. If he listens to you, you have won your brother. But if he won’t listen, take one or two more with you, so that by the testimony of two or three witnesses every fact may be established. If he pays no attention to them, tell the church. But if he doesn’t pay attention even to the church, let him be like an unbeliever and a tax collector to you.

We don't wash our linen openly to the glare of sinners. We must respect the church. It's not about hiding a matter ,it's giving honor to christ. He hates it when sinners make mockery of the church .

1 Corinthians 6:1
DOES ANY of you dare, when he has a matter of complaint against another [brother], to go to law before unrighteous men [men neither upright nor right with God, laying it before them] instead of before the saints (the people of God)?

Are you saying this scriptures are not for us?

You quoted paul , Peter and christ. It's not applicable , because Paul rebuked Peter in the congregation. He didnt go to the Agora market or the hill of Mars to ridicule his brethren whom he took communion with by the blood of Jesus . A matter can only go to the law of the church authority can't handle it.

Face book or Nairaland is for gossip . If you have misunderstanding with your spouse ,do you go public with it? Does it mean you are hiding truth. That's just my point . And that's how Jesus sees it

See people wey be Christian here ! No be by quoting scriptures anyway but by knowing when to quote scriptures !

God help us

Ayekooto2013: Christianity in Nigeria is becoming all about money and human worship. Jesus said the only way you will know a true believer is by their fruits, not by the size of their bank account, how famous they are or how wealthy they have become. A true believer is supposed to exhibit the fruits of the Spirit - love, gentleness, kindness, patience, joy, long suffering, meekness and others.
That is what set us apart from others - not our bank account. Like the scripture says, we suppose that gain is godliness.
The world hates christians not because of their holiness, but because of their hypocrisy.
Many can't even discern spiritually how to judge issues like this. God help us! Judgement is coming, and it will start from the house of God!

This story is now stale ! Work out ur own salvation. It's a personal thing you know !

God help us

Image123: We should be concerned at the stance of the OP and his cohorts. They have made it a case against Oyedepo. Oyedepo was not even there at the time of the OP's incidence. He says it happened in Abuja nine years ago, between him and a church traffic worker or is it 12 people. How did this progress to a case between the accuser and Oyedepo? And then talking about cases to answer in UK or whatever. Is this arithmetic progression or geometric progression? How is it that two church bishops, some four other church elders have begged this guy with scriptures, offered him cold water and juice, fixed his tyres and whatever, and yet he is today looking for official apology? i find it very very difficult to believe that such a person is a christian. He might be oh, if he says he is, well i cannot say he is not. But assuming that he is a christian and a church member for 5 years, if he has a grudge or quarrel with a fellow church member, the Bible is clear about what he ought to do. Others have stated what he ought to do, even his elders told him what to do according to the OP.
Jesus was maltreated by the Roman soldiers. This is not a case of church member versus church member, or christian versus church. Its not exactly the same context, neither did Jesus personally go about publishing how he was maltreated. He did not go to any police station to report them, neither did he do wrong like the accuser. Infact, the same day, he openly prayed for their forgiveness. Most of the persecution of the church were not written by the persecuted themselves, and this is not a case of persecution. Anyone that has been to these 'big' gatherings know that most of them employ para-military and military to control traffic. Some of these are not necessarily church members but may be headed by a church member. Most of them have guard rooms because anybody can come to the gathering with ulterior motive. Recalcitrant people and juvenile delinquents end up in these places for some duration. A person who has been attending a place for five years should have noticed these kind of things, and know how to behave himself or herself. Some of these gatherings use public transport officers, lagbus, frsc, lastma, lawma etc to help with some things. Not all church employees are church members. So if one random person out of millions act in a particular way, we should not force our way to tie it to the GO's head or the Bishop's head. And then we start raining insult on his person and how he is a thief and must be punished and bla bla.
The accuser said "d state govt should come against them with d full might of d law, no institution is above d laws of this land and this kind of impunity disguising as "anointing" must stop." Do you really think that this is the way Paul felt about his persecutors? Church tradition tells us about the persecution of the apostles and their matrydom. It was not the apostles themselves that were keeping the issue for nine years, looking for vengeance. When Peter was at fault in Galatia, and Paul was writing about it, it was a believers to believers thing. i verily doubt that Paul thought that the whole world would get to read that. And bible students know the lesson to learn from the account. Peter himself was immediately corrected and so too were the Galatians. What exhortation have we gotten from the OP? Who has read the Op and said praise the Lord, or thank God? Is the OP's motive Paul's motive?
Can you tell us Alexander's offence to Paul? Paul wrote to Timothy as a son, and for Tim's safety. He did not gather scribes to tell the detailed account of what Alexander did to him. He did not appeal to Caesar or go to any centurion or court. It was all a church matter. Not concealed, but settled in house. that is exactly what Jo and co are telling the OP.

1Co 6:1 Dare any of you, having a matter against another, go to law before the unjust, and not before the saints?
1Co 6:5 I speak to your shame. Is it so, that there is not a wise man among you? no, not one that shall be able to judge between his brethren?
1Co 6:6 But brother goeth to law with brother, and that before the unbelievers.
1Co 6:7 Now therefore there is utterly a fault among you, because ye go to law one with another. Why do ye not rather take wrong? why do ye not rather suffer yourselves to be defrauded?
1Co 6:8 Nay, ye do wrong, and defraud, and that your brethren.

You don talk everything Image 123. Leave Frosbel and 'pastor'kun.They will face and be tortured the same wey they torture people. Apotle Paul thot he was fighting for God while persecuting Christians so also does Frosbel,kun and others who insult people in the name of fighting for the body of Christ.
Image 123,leave them alone becos i know very very soon they will be 'confronted'by God. The more we ask them to desist from such acts the more they go to dig up stories to validate their claims and actions. Let's just tell them all that they are right so atleast we can rest !

God help us all

JustifiedChild: You know I wonder why you are taking so much time and energy to continually argue out what you already believe is untrue..why bother? Sometimes I see people who think like you all I feel is pity. You don't believe in Jesus; it is a book of lies..ok we have heard you, you can rest easy now. However whatever you think or say or believe and no matter how many of us christians you curse out, it won't change what is true. There is only one saviour;Jesus Christ. He died for you and I and you know the amazing thing about my Father in heaven? even with all the words you say against him,he loves you still. It is not his wish that anybody should perish in sin and that is why he is being patient..patiently waiting for all to come to him..but He is coming soon. There is no time again. Its either you are for him or against him..choose your path wisely my dear, because it will determine your eternity. All the best to you.

Thanks bro for the advice to ifesness who believes in nothingness :
''The message of the cross is foolish to those who are headed for destruction! But we who are being saved know it is the very power of God.-
1 Corinthians 1:18

''The Lord is not slow about His promise, as some count slowness, but is patient toward you, not wishing for any to perish but for all to come to repentance.-2 Peter 3:9

God help us

ifeness: There is no last day. The story of jesus siting on the right hand of his father is from the story of Horus sitting on the right hand of Osiris his father. Get your research right!

I am not going to the place of nothingness,when i die i go back to the source from which i came which everyone came from. Every human is eternal so maybe you will come back as a cow as you will be more useful to the butchers.

I must confess that that cow and butcher thing made me laugh and i am still laughing
But wether osiris o or horus o or scopus o, but you believe that there is a source where you came from.I'm happy with that one atleast. bUT PLEASE HELP ME WITH THAT SOURCE WHERE YOU THINK YOU CAME FROM THAT YOU WILL BE GOING BACK TO !
I'm waiting oga ifeness since you say the meaning of ur name i.d isn't nothingness but going back to the source !

God help us

modele2: A church is made of human beings, naturally sinful. It is just a reminder of the failability of man, i dont think a church and the intentions of its overseer should be thown away becos of a few zealous church members....By the way i am not a member of that church

We are all members of the body of Christ irrespective of our denominations ! I don't attend winners Chapel BUT I DON'T HIT AT ANY MAN whether men of God or god of men !

God help us all

Pattey: Only one thing made sense in your failed attempt to exonorate the church, it seems you find him guilty because he has been in the church for so long and failed to 'join any of the units'. #sigh. . . I wish u cud hear how that sounds.

Don't their car parks get filled up? Let's even assume the man was guilty, why is the church 'A Church' if the next thing is violence? And right there in front of the church? What would passers-by who were unbelievers think? After witnessing such, Can they ever be convinced again of the sanctity of the church?

I gues I should even pause here since erytin you said is actually random ranting, its pointless enlightening another potential Church thug who sees no big deal in beating up NON-VIP members of the church.

And yh, the church of God can nevr be brought down. If anything, its at risk from your kind who promote 'immorality and rascality' in the name of christ.

Nkan tio da O da! Ko l'oruko meji!!! - What is not Good is simply not Good. . . Let's call a spade a spade. There are several allegations of violence and sundry misconducts in that church yet some brainwashed elements with their brain twitch could 'support' ur ignoble litany.

See below quote from a NLDER :
''As you can see the world has a morbid hatred for the people of God. The ungodly will always hate the godly while the unrighteous hate the righteous. Cain hated Abel, Ishmael hated Isaac, Esau hate Jacob, Joseph was hated by his brothers, the people of darkness will always hate the children of the light. The serpent is always at enmity with the seed of the woman. This is currently played out on this thread as you can now see.''

God help us all

OLAADEGBU: I take it and turn the other cheek.

Olaadegbu,i just they hear say you dey sell heaven and hell C.Ds. I never watch am becos i no fit buy am for now and my YouTube account has been blocked.But please did this lady say she saw T.B Joshua in hell also or that T.B Joshua is fake ? The reason i'm asking is becos people say he is fake and since we no longer follow the bible now but revelations of Linda and co that is NOT IN THE BOOK OF REVELATIONS !

Please help me i dey wait o !

God help us