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shdemidemi: I have noticed a trend on this forum on issues regarding grace and law, those against the law speak passionatly from the bible and rightly so

For all you Grace apologetics (Goshen and his gang)who project paul as the central theme in thier messages, I will like to start the discussion with a qoute from paul

My question has everything to do with your false start to the entire thread. Address that and we can mopve to the other parts. So, answer the questions.

Mr man you missed out the bolded below always try to reason in context, how many times shall the spirit remind thee

Don't just talk for talking sake.

I think we all need to calm down and take a look at our past histories and see if we are missing anything per say

Also.

please I aint no mind reader, can you explain yourself a bit more or get one of your brethren to try and explain what you are saying cause seems like your speaking in tounges

Qkeyxyz: In that case, jesus himself must be the chief "reprobate" because I operate on his mandate and leadership.

And nowhere has the bible ever interpreted itself. It took the coming of apostles to give the true meaning of the prophesies, and this is why they faced persecution by the jewish authorities who felt the christians blasphemed their holy scriptures. Otherwise the new testament would not regard the old as shadows.

In reference to the bolded Please make up you mind were the apostles Christians or jews?

shdemidemi: @mosthigh, address my question-what is the significance of the blood of christ? was the blood mentioned in mathew mark luke and john? if not,do you know why it wasn't?

shdemidemi what connection does that have to do with what we are discussing here?

The Passover being changed by Rome is the discussion we are having here

Are you trying to derail this thread?

Atheist:-D:
Exactly. Jews and Christians had constantly had beef with each other. Apparently Nero executed Christians on the behest of Jews. Would it not be likely that Christians would want to be distinct once the persecutions started to die out. They only started to have proper rights during Constantines reign. Prior to that they were still persecuted.

Has anyone asked why they were so persecuted? Well, according to Jews, certain Christian rites etc were heretical and punishable by death. It was easy to target the non distinct Christians as they were similar to Jews and hence the Jews could claim that they were heretics as opposed to a new religion.

By being made distinct as a separate religion they at least had some protection under Constantines reign.

Constantine claimed Christianity After declaring his conversion in A.D. 313, Constantine declared continuing support for and honour to all other current religions in Rome at the time and through his councils was able to setup a monster religion, AKA Christianity as we know it today.

This monster religion encompassed all their belief systems of the religions combined. (council of laodacia)


Furthermore, in A.D. 315, he issued coins with his head on one side and the motto, Sol Invictus, on the obverse, reaffirming his position as high priest of the cult of Mithris. (Sun god worship AKA luciferian worship)


If you remember correctly all the apostles prophets and even Yashua the Christ were JEWS.

So at least we can agree that the early Christians were JEWS and the case of Christians persecuting Jews sounds more like a case of divide and rule.

shdemidemi: you think you understand the book of Danie without the new testament,ye right? Even Daniel himself did not understand.

8 I heard the answer, but I really didn’t understand. So I asked, “Sir, what will happen after all this comes true?”
9 He answered, “Go on about your life Daniel. The message is hidden. It will be a secret until the time of the end. 10 Many people will be made pure—they will make themselves clean. But evil people will continue to be evil. And those wicked people will not understand these things, but the wise people will understand them.

answer my question please. if you can't,then you have no business propagating the gospels and attacking people trying to teach you.

Na you get your mouth.

And which question does the Christ hater want me to answer?

chukwudi44: St Jerome was never a protestant and should never be potrayed as one.He was working under pope Damasus and remained a catholic till death.It was only more than one thousand years after his death that protestantism was birthed.

Jerome Emser was on the side of the reformers in the beginning.

But he later skewed off the path.

Atheist:-D:
Ok....
Hmmm....

Food for thought

However, the passover was celebrated in the old testament. Not to nag but the new testament never actually stated that it should not be celebrated.

I think you need to look closer to the ecumenical council of Nicaea to get a more direct answer. A lot of aspects to modern Christianity were brought in around that time... and the purpose was to make Christians distinct from the Jews.

I wonder why the bolded is not within the consciousness of most Christians today?

Or why they fail to appreciate what that event truly means.

obadiah777: SURE. REVELATION 8 VS 9 And the third part of the creatures which were in the sea, and had life, died; and the third part of the ships were destroyed. <<< THIS EVENT IS DESCRIBING THE BABYLONIAN TAKEOVER OF THE WORLD IN THE ESTABLISHMENT OF THE GENTILE ERA ON EARTH. THE THIRD PART OF SHIPS IS THE DOCTRINE OF THE THIRD PART OS MEN WHICH IS ISRAEL. THE THIRD PART OF SHIPS DESTROYED WAS THE WORD OF GOD AND IT WAS FLOODED WITH BABYLONIAN DOCTRINE AND HENCE STARTING THE ERA OF MAN-RULE OF WICKEDNESS ON EARTH

Sire.

SHDEMIDEMI HAS NOT A BROCKEN SPIRIT HE ONLY ASKES QUESTIONS TO SCOFF AND SCORN.

shdemidemi: joker... if water means people, what will the boat in the water mean? what would you say the other disciples mean?
All the miracles Christ did was called a miracle for a reason, and all miracles were done primarily to convince the jews he is the son of God.If your interpretation is right, i see no wonder or miracle in converting people to prove you are the much awaited king.

WATERS IS A MULTITUDE OF PEOPLES. SO THE WAVES WERE ROUGH AND ERRATIC MEANING THE PEOPLES HE WAS PREACHING TO WERE REPROBATE BELLIGERENT ROWDY SCOFFERS, HOWEVER HE WALKED OVER THE WATERS, HE CALMED THE WATERS, MEANING HE PREVAILED OVER THE PEOPLE AND CONVINCED THE GAINSAYERS AND SCOFFERS. HE WALKED OVER THEM. HE PREVAILED OVER THEM. HE CONVERTED THEM ALL.

How the bolded make any sense to your spirit is beyond me. i know how much you adhere to your false belief that you masquerade under the gospel of Christ, i just felt irked after reading this false inferences.

Very poor response.

Try again.

shdemidemi you have openly denied Yashua the Christ as your king

Why do you insist on calling his name in vain.

Son of the Little horn that's what you are

obadiah777: WELL I HAVE DISCUSSED THIS AS A SIDE ISSUE ON A THREAD BUT JUST THOUGHT IT WAS BIG ENOUGH TO DESERVE ITS OWN THREAD AS WELL AS TO CONFOUND GAINSAYING PHARISEES LIKE BOOKMARK AND DESIKA AS TO THE METAPHORICAL NATURE OF THE BIBLE. IN THIS THREAD I WILL DISCUSS AS WELL AS THE WALKING ON WATER ISSUE, THE REAL MEANING OF WHAT BAPTISM IS, AS WELL AS REITERATE WHAT FASTING REALLY IS. SO 3 ISSUES, 3 FALLACIES OF CHRISTIANS, 3 ERRORS OF CHRISTIANS.

ISSUE 1 - DID JESUS WALK ON WATER LITERALLY ? WHAT KINDA MAGIC TRICK IS THAT ? IS THAT WHAT THE BIBLE IS REALLY TALKING ABOUT ? NO IT IS NOT. WHAT IS WATERS ? LETS GO PRECEPT UPON PRECEPT
REVELATION 17 VS 15 And he saith unto me, The waters which thou sawest, where the LovePeddler sitteth, are peoples, and multitudes, and nations, and tongues. WATERS IS A MULTITUDE OF PEOPLES. SO THE WAVES WERE ROUGH AND ERRATIC MEANING THE PEOPLES HE WAS PREACHING TO WERE REPROBATE BELLIGERENT ROWDY SCOFFERS, HOWEVER HE WALKED OVER THE WATERS, HE CALMED THE WATERS, MEANING HE PREVAILED OVER THE PEOPLE AND CONVINCED THE GAINSAYERS AND SCOFFERS. HE WALKED OVER THEM. HE PREVAILED OVER THEM. HE CONVERTED THEM ALL. AND THATS WHAT THAT MEANS. HE AINT LITERALLY WALK OVER WATER. HE IS THE LORD BUT HE DONT DO CHEAP MAGIC TRICKS.

ISSUE 2- ALL THESE REPROBATE PASTORS DIPPING PEOPLE IN WATER THINKING THEY ARE BAPTIZING THEM DONE LOST THEY MINDS. JUST THE OTHER DAY ONE OF THEM MANAGED TO DROWN HIMSELF IN HIS BAPTISMAL WATER. THESE FOLKS IS CRAZY. SO WHAT EXACTLY DOES BAPTISM IN WATER MEAN ? 'WATER' IN THE SINGULAR IS A BIBLICAL WORD FOR 'DOCTRINE'. WHAT DOCTRINE ? IN THIS CASE THE WORD, THE BIBLE. SO WHAT DOES IT MEAN TO BAPTIZE WITH WATER ? LETS LET THE DICTIONARY DO THE REST OF THE JOB FOR US
bap·tize (bp-tz, bptz)
v. bap·tized, bap·tiz·ing, bap·tiz·es
b. To initiate.

TO INITIATE ? WHAT DOES TO INITIATE MEAN ?
in·i·ti·ate (-nsh-t)
tr.v. in·i·ti·at·ed, in·i·ti·at·ing, in·i·ti·ates
a. Instructed in esoteric knowledge.

WHAT IS ESOTERIC KNOWLEDGE ?
es·o·ter·ic [es-uh-ter-ik] Show IPA
adjective
understood by or meant for only the select few who have special knowledge or interest; recondite:
AND THERE YOU HAVE IT, TO BE BAPTIZED MEANS TO BE TAUGHT SPECIAL KNOWLEDGE WHICH IS MEANT FOR A SELECT FEW AND TO BE BAPTIZED WITH WATER MEANS TO BE TAUGHT THE SCRIPTURES. AINT GOT NOTHING TO DO WITH DIPPING FOLK IN LITERAL WATER.

The Most high God continue to guide you ma brother


Gives thanks for the light.

shdemidemi: if you can come up with this false , rubbish OP. i assume you should be able to answer my question.
tell me the significance of the blood of christ? was the blood mentioned in mathew mark luke and john? if not,do you know why it wasn't?

shdemidemi What does the blood of yashua have to do with some military drunkards changing the Laws and times of the Most hight God

Dan 7:25 And he shall speak [great] words against the most High, and shall wear out the saints of the most High, and think to change times and laws: and they shall be given into his hand until a time and times and the dividing of time.

Is the above bolded not directly related to what we are discussing?

Is the little Horn not your father?

you both preach the same gospel (the truth is dead and done away with, now there is a new god)

Clearly here we see the words TIMES and LAWs


You are beginning to sound like that scratched CD again

shdemidemi: Everything that happened in the old were mysteries according to the scriptures that are revealed now.

26 This message is the secret truth that was hidden since the beginning of time. It was hidden from everyone for ages, but now it has been made known to God’s holy people.

i don't take anything that happened in the old testament literally or naturally but spiritually because the bible says

2 Corinthians 5:16-18

Easy-to-Read Version (ERV)

16 From this time on we don’t think of anyone as the world thinks of people. It is true that in the past we thought of Christ as the world thinks. But we don’t think that way now. 17 When anyone is in Christ, it is a whole new world.[a] The old things are gone; suddenly, everything is new!

Sometimes I wonder how you stay vertical with so much confusion going through your head.

Like we said before if you disagree with the post then address it in the right context instead of quoting scriptures out of context.

Christ hater like you.

Lawlessnes

shdemidemi: joker..tell me the significance of the blood of christ? was the blood mentioned in mathew mark luke and john? if not,do you know why it wasn't?
don't just be spitting what you know next to nothing about.

I don't know if you noticed but we are talking about factual history here, the Passover and how it was relegated by force by the DRAGON.

The issue here is not the blood of Yashua the Christ

If you do not agree with the post at least be mature enough to state why, clearly.

and stop rambling like some old school pastor fellow.

Should we all disregard history because of shdemidemi?

Stop calling Yashua's name in vain.

You Christ hater you...

Lawless man.

ayoku777: So I guess you also keep the unleavened feast, the firstfruits, pentecost, trumpets, atonement and tabernacle feasts. And you meet all the regulations slated out under them. Coz breaking one is also breaking all. And I'm sure you don't shave your beards too

Even if I didn't observe them the father would never condemn me

But what I will never do is to teach my children to be Lawless or tell them categorically there is no need to be obedient to the Laws of the most high God

Or speak with my mouth against the truth and say he has been done away with

In reference to the bolded above its only the Lawless that keep on with this doctrine of breaking the law, the true believers look to uphold all that the master upheld (thy kingdom come)


Peace love and Joy!!

ninja4life: Gosh all ye black christians slaves of rome and jews gods so d rome empire hav d power to change d doctrine of christianity and people still follow d roman empire edict and dey stop observing passover,smh for all dis confused people so does dat mean all those christians dat donot follow jesus teachings due to things like dis are going to hell or will god have mercy on them.

The most high God will show them his grace once they turn from their ways

Else its a fiery judgement nukes and all.

Peace Love and joy!!!

shdemidemi: bullocks...bro go and study,why is your neck so stiff na.

“For Christ, our Passover lamb, has been sacrificed. Therefore let us keep the Festival, not with the old yeast of malice and wickedness, but with bread without yeast, the bread of sincerity and truth” (I Cor.5:7-8, NIV).

in this age and the present dispensation, Christ is our passover and bread represents the word of God. the yeast represents adulteration of the word of God. Everything that happened in the old points back to Christ, understand it that way and you will have a clearer picture of the entire book.

Here comes the magician again trying transmute lead to gold

Like I told you before shdemidemi, a people without a knowledge of their past is like a tree without roots.

Pure lawlessness.

Even when faced with the facts some individuals would rather ramble on like someone with multiple personality disorder
Here we go again.

shdemidemi For a man that has openly denied Christ as his king on this forum [b][/b]I beg of you please stop calling his name in vain.

obadiah777: I NEED ONE OF THOSE STOVES. NEPA AINT GOT NOTHING OVER ME IF I CAN COP THAT STOVE, A LANTERN AND SOME ROMANTIC CANDLES AND SOME BOOKS

The self sufficient man.

ayoku777: Thanks Boomark, that cited scripture is an argument-ending one in this conflict of works ang grace. The law is not made for the righteous. And who are the righteous? Those who have accepted Christ in faith. So what is now made for the righteous? The fellowship and communion of the Spirit.

Sorry to spoil the Party

But I have to put a Literal spanner in your grinding machine.

We are not here to Argue.

But to apply fire (literally)

The apostle Paul wrote to the Corinthian Church these words:

“For Christ, our Passover lamb, has been sacrificed. Therefore let us keep the Festival, not with the old yeast of malice and wickedness, but with bread without yeast, the bread of sincerity and truth” (I Cor.5:7-8, NIV).


Paul told his disciples to follow him just as he was following Yashua Ibn Joseph

There are countless examples like the above within scripture where Paul is doing exactly as the master is doing in this case observing the Passover, a feast that has been ordained as forever to a peculiar and chosen poeple.


Which one come be una own?

Children of lawlessness.

Atheist:-D:
Typical, why dont you answer his question.

Don't derail the discussion.

obadiah777: IT SURE IS BIBLICAL. WITHOUT REINCARNATION THE BIBLE MAKES NO SENSE. SPIRITS DONT BURN IN FIRE SO HOW DO YOU GET YOUR PUNISHMENT AFTER YOU DIE ?

Greetings Sire.

you are always on the job, its the only way to keep the double edged sword sharp and ready

Peace love and joy!!

Qkeyxyz: The spirit of a person is the person actually. It is the person's mindset, conscience and behaviour. So John the Baptist was Elijah completely. Therefore reincarnation is biblical and christian.

I totally agree.

DrummaBoy: Does it matter which day we take to worship. Each day we worship God now.
My friend, the leading error of the Adventist is to take Sabbath worship as a prime doctrine: Colosians 2:16
How does it affect your salvation or relation with God?

1. So in other words what you are saying in the spirit is that:

The dragon boasting that it his by his will that Sunday REST is practiced worldwide is inconsequential and has no bearing whatsoever as to why you yourself observe Sunday or even worse still no day as a day of REST?


You subtle change of the Sabbath rest [/b]to [b]Worship is not unique to yourself billions worldwide make this same erroneous error daily in their lives

True we should worship daily but that's not the issue

The man is saying that it his by his will that you REST on sunday as opposed to Saturday

And yes I think it does matter what day you worship, as far as identity goes you must identify with your faith whatever it is.

olire: gy, are you an adventist?

What does it matter what I am?

The post is supposed to stimulate edifying discussions and not create boundaries.

Lets hear your point of view if you have one.


Peace, love and joy!!

I have noticed a trend on this forum on issues regarding grace and law, those against the law speak passionatly from the bible and rightly so

But what about factual history?

I think we all need to calm down and take a look at our past histories and see if we are missing anuthing per say.

This theme of this post is to look into the historical evidence concerning the Passover in the early church, and see what all the controversy was about at that time. Few realize it, but there was an ongoing controversy from the first till the fifth centuries in the visible Church concerning Passover. That controversy has historically been referred to as the “Quartodeciman Controversy.”


For all you Grace apologetics (Goshen and his gang)who project paul as the central theme in thier messages, I will like to start the discussion with a qoute from paul

The apostle Paul wrote to the Corinthian Church these words:

“For Christ, our Passover lamb, has been sacrificed. Therefore let us keep the Festival, not with the old yeast of malice and wickedness, but with bread without yeast, the bread of sincerity and truth” (I Cor.5:7-8, NIV).

Notice! Paul said plainly enough, “Let us KEEP THE FESTIVAL”! The footnote of the NIV Bible on this verse states: “Keeping the Feast of Unleavened Bread (which followed Passover) symbolizes living the Christian life in holy dedication to God.”

Not only did Paul in this verse exhort the Corinthians – many of whom were Gentile believers – to observe this Passover festival season, but he himself did so, setting them an example.

Notice again! Paul and his companions spent the Feast of Unleavened Bread at Philippi. The historian Luke records, “But we sailed from Philippi AFTER THE DAYS OF UNLEAVENED BREAD, and five days later joined the others at Troas, where we stayed seven days” (Acts 20:6). This clearly implies that Paul was still observing the festival ordained by God forever (Exo.12:15-18).

At the Council of Nicaea in A.D. 325, during the reign of Emperor Constantine, the bishops of the Catholic Church decreed concerning the Passover that: “All the brethren in the East who formerly celebrated Easter [Passover] WITH THE JEWS [the Jews never celebrated what we call “Easter”], will henceforth keep it at the SAME TIME AS THE ROMANS, with us and with all those who from ancient times have celebrated the feast at the same time with us.”
Emperor Constantine, having been totally disgusted with the disagreements and controversies within the Christian community regarding the date of “Easter,” then exhorted all the bishops of the universal Church to embrace “the practice which is observed at once in the city of Rome, and in Africa; throughout Italy, and in Egypt” (NPNF, 2nd, I, p.525). Henceforth the power of the Roman Empire was used to enforce Easter observance upon “Christians,” and to prohibit and forbid true Passover observance!

Thus by 325 A.D. the true celebration of the ancient Passover, which had been the practice of the Jews, the family of Jesus, Jesus Himself, the apostles, and the early Church in Jerusalem, and throughout the region of Asia, as well as various other portions of the Empire, including some churches in Rome itself, was systematically rejected, repudiated and abolished, because of its connection with the hated and maligned Jews. Instead, the pagan worship of Easter Sunday observance was now transferred to the Church, supposedly in honor of Christ’s resurrection. Though its very name, “Easter,” is the name of a pagan goddess of spring and fertility, its very name emblematic of its true origin, it was cleverly slipped into the Church in the place of Passover observance.

The long struggle between Passover and Easter was finally decided – by the power of Rome – in favor of Easter! True Passover observance, by Christians, was halted, ended, by the force and power of Imperial edict and decree of the apostate Church in the Roman Empire.

By 364 A.D., at the Council of Laodicea, both the Passover and the Sabbath were completely abolished by the Roman state. The new state religion, a bizarre blending and amalgamation of paganism and Christianity, devoid of any remaining “Jewish” influences, became the dominant religious power in Europe for over one thousand years. Paganism, cloaked in outer "Christian" appearing clothing, triumphed over the truth. Satan's great deception was complete. The “Great LovePeddler” had triumphed.

But only temporarily.the most high God is working and restoring His TRUE PASSOVER for all who desire to obey Him and keep His commandments!

In time past Wycliffe, Huss, Jerome, Luther, Wesley, Waldo, Roger Williams, Calvin, Tyndale, Zwingli, Knox, Latimer, Melanchthon, and unnamed others, all by divine faith, stood on the holy ground of True Protestants.

And yet, these men, for the most part were Sunday-keepers, believing either Sunday was the seventh day of the week, or that the solemnity of Sabbath had been transferred to the first day of the week [both tenets being in error]. By testimony of the Roman Catholic Church we read:

"For ages all Christian nations looked to the Catholic Church, and, as we have seen, the various states enforced by law her ordinances as to worship and cessation of Labor on Sunday. Protestantism, in discarding the authority of the church, has no good reason for its Sunday theory, and ought logically, to keep Saturday as the Sabbath.

The State, in passing laws for the due Sanctification of Sunday, is unwittingly acknowledging the authority of the Catholic Church, and carrying out more or less faithfully its prescriptions. The Sunday, as a day of the week set apart for the obligatory public worship of Almighty God, to be sanctified by a suspension of all servile labor, trade, and worldly avocations and by exercises of devotion, is purely a creation of the Catholic Church." --The American Catholic Quarterly Review, Jan., 1883, pp. 152, 139. (Cited in Bible Readings for the Home, p. 425.)

The official newspaper of the Cleveland Diocese says: "By what authority did the Church change the observance of the Sabbath from Saturday to Sunday? "The Church changed the observance of the Sabbath to Sunday by right of the divine, infallible authority given to her by her Founder, Jesus Christ. The Protestant, claiming the Bible to be the only guide of faith, has no warrant for observing Sunday. In this matter the Seventh Day Adventist is the only consistent Protestant. . . ." The Catholic Universe Bulletin,Aug. 14, 1942, p. 4. (ibid., p. 430.)

"The Pope is not only the representative of Jesus Christ, but he is Jesus Christ Himself, hidden under veil of flesh." --The Catholic National, July, 1895.

"The observance of Sunday by the Protestants is an homage they pay, in spite of themselves, to the authority of the [Catholic] church."--Monsignor Louis Segur, Plain Talk About the Protestantism of Today (1868), p. 213. (ibid., p. 430.)


Given that there is so much factual history out there regarding this mystery, I want to use this medium to get the viewpoint of non catholic sunday observers on why they observe sunday as a day of worship/sabbath.

Give thanks.

DrummaBoy: Ayoku
One should congratulate you here that your very first thread hits 11pages in about 4 day?! You sure were led to open it. Can we have a summary from you on this thread?

One obvious fact here is that most commentator hardly shift their grounds but that shouldn't discourage bc many who read but do not comment go away with something for their edification.

I for one I am becoming more and more convinced that those who question the whole gospel of grace may be serving another god, not our Lord and Master Jesus. Paul warned Timothy to take heed to his doctrine bc thereby he would save himself and his listeners. Their gospel may very well not save anyone.

I stop here and look fwd to ur summary.

Mat 23:2The scribes and the Pharisees sit in Moses' seat:

Mat 23:3 All therefore whatsoever they bid you observe, [that] observe and do; but do not ye after their works: for they say, and do not.


Are the bolded words above not the words of yashua the master that you claim to serve?

If you are truly his disciple then try and observe all that moses commanded instead of following the doctrines of men.

Zikkyy: @bolded, i believe you are saying how Christians should behave by nature without compulsion. unfortunately, most so called Christians don't have this nature shown in the law, they still rely on the law to make them behave.

Yeah like going to church on sunday.

PAGAN 9JA can you throw more light on this please?

The Dan masanin Kano alhj maitama sule has publicly claimed in the past on several BBC interviews that the origins of the hausa is ethiopia

Do you agree with his statement?

Goshen360: I think you're reading into my words. Go back to that my comments and read it again. I said, SHOULD tithe\tithing STILL BE APPLICABLE TODAY, the levites (of old) will represent today's CHURCH WORKERS e.g, choirs, Sunday school teachers, children helpers, ushers, etc, those who assist today's pastors while today's pastor will represent Aaron.

Scriptures CLEARLY states that LEVITES are to receive the tithe and these levites with their priesthood ARE CLEARLY ABOLISHED.

In response to the bolded

On the Contrary ezk 44 details the workings and ordinances of the millennial priesthood and its clear that there will still be elements of the levitical order

lucabrasi: also i heard cause ethiopia and by extension haile selassie was the only country/nation the colonialists could not defeat,neither were they ever taken in slavery

Ethiopia was never defeated by the invaders

The government moved its seat to gore in the south and people like Ras abebe Agaraya and Dezmatch balcha safo (abba nefso) used guerrilla tactics to keep the invaders on their toes up until their final expulsion in 1941

Italy invaded Ethiopia for a second time on October 3, 1935 with a hundred thousand troops and two hundred and fifty airplanes equipped with mechanisms for spraying poison gas. Many historians agree that this invasion was undertaken in part to vindicate Italy's national honor, which had been bruised by the Ethiopians in 1896 at the battle of adowa.

Italy committed other atrocities in its colonial war in Ethiopia. Italian soldiers bombed Red Cross ambulances and hospitals, and targeted Ethiopian intellectuals and priests. On February 19, 1937, two Ethiopians, Abraha Daboch and Mogas Asgadom, tried but failed to assassinate the Italian Viceroy of Ethiopia, Rudolfo Graziani. After this, the Blackshirts, the Italian fascist occupation army, unleashed a ferocious terror on Ethiopia, with official backing from Rome.

The atrocities included beheadings, burning down houses, and disembowelling pregnant women. The Blackshirts also targeted educated Ethiopians, especially those who occupied administrative positions, and other religious figures. The massacre of February, 19, 1937, robbed Ethiopia of one of the kingdom's finest generation of intellectuals. Some monks and priests of the Ethiopian Orthodox Church were also murdered on Graziani's orders. In one private telegram to Mussolini, Graziani proclaimed that "nothing anymore remained" of the priesthood of the medieval Debra Libanos monastery, in northeastern Ethiopia (Imani, 2003, p.18).

But the occupation was to last for only five years, the shortest European colonial experience on the African continent. On May 5, 1941, the Italians were defeated by a British-led combined force of Ethiopians and other Africans from British and

Emperor Haile Selassie Headed the Gideon force an army of 300 men and was crowned FIELD MARSHALL OF THE BRITHISH ARMY FOR THIS ACT

IN STARK CONTRAST TO THE TREATMENT THE ETHIOPIANS HAD EXPERIENCED AT THE HANDS OF THE FACISTS BELOW IS AN EXCERPT FROM THE SPEECH MADE BY EMPEROR HAILE SELASSIE ON REENTERING HIS CAPITAL (Triumphant Entry - Victory Day)

What I would finally announce to you, my people, is that today is a day of rejoicing for us all. Today is a day on which we defeated our enemy. Therefore, when we say let us all rejoice with our hearts let not our rejoicing be in any other way but in the spirit of Christ. Do not return evil for evil. Do not indulge in the atrocities which the enemy has been practising in his usual way, even up to the last moment.

Take care not to spoil the good name of Ethiopia by acts which are worthy of the enemy. We shall see that our enemies are disarmed and sent the same way they came. As St. George who killed the dragon is the Patron Saint of our army as well as of our allies, let us unite with our allies in everlasting friendship and amity in order to be able to stand against the godless and cruel dragon which has newly risen and which is oppressing mankind. I charge you to consider them as a brother and a friend and to show them kindness and consideration.

Salam fiker desta

PAGAN 9JA:
actually i think that lion of judah stuff is cooked up bullsh!t. because if you consider the ethnic groups of Haile Selassie, he is Oromo and AMhara.

Just the other day, I was discussing Ehtiopian Traditional Religion with my cab driver. He told me they still practice it and was excitedly discoursing with me about it.

Amhara religion consists of four separate but interwoven realms of religious belief. First, there is the dominant Monophysite christian religion, which includes the Almighty God, the Devil, and the saints and angels in Heaven. Second, there are the zar and adbar protector spirits who exact tribute in return for physical and emotional security and who may punish or neglect believers for failure to recognize them through the practice of the appropriate rituals. Third is the belief in buda, a class of people who possess the evil eye and exert a deadly power over the descendants of God's "chosen children." The fourth category of beliefs includes the ghouls and devils that prowl the countryside, creating danger for unsuspecting people who cross their path. Although the Christian beliefs have been practiced since nearly the beginning of Christianity, the "Pagan" elements probably go back much further.

The ORomo ofcourse have their own trad. religion They call one of their Gods as Roog.

Only an ignorant man would call 700 years of documented history bullshit

Like Berhane Selassie song (Bob marley) 2000 yrs of history can not be wiped away so easily

what about the monarchies of the west are they bull as well?

you cant even stand the to see melanised beings stand as true kings and queens and you question yourself

PAGAN 9JA:
its not because of rastafarian or anything. hey were invaded by italy, and the defeated Haile Selassie appealed to UN, so the brits sent in their troops and kicked the italians out. Also some parts of Ethiopia, such as the Northern parts, were inhabited by the fierce warring Afar/Danakil Tribes, and no europeaan who went there could come out alive. the Afar would just kill any intruder and cut their testicles and hang them around their necks as trophies. savage lands. .

Point of Correction

Factual history Ethiopia is recorded as being the only nation not to have been colonised by the white man in his lust for capitalist power.

And at a time when all Africa was lost in despair it was the lion of Judah that raised the banner for all Africans to follow, nkuruma, Nasser, kenyata,toure...etc all bowed down to the Lion Of Judah

1.It was Girmawi Kadamawi Haile Selassie who at the time he was crown prince, single handedly ensured Eithiopias entry into the league of nations Against the strong and fierce opposition from the conservative within the Ethiopian aristocracy.

2. When his Majesty Girmawi Kadamawi Haile Selassie appealed to the league of nations which is the predecessor to the present united nations (The only head of state or monarch to address both organisations ever in the history of his time)he delivered a historic speech that made all African worldwide proud and hopeful

The league of nations heeded not to the cry of his majesty, Collective security had failed and his majesties judgement was thus...

God and history shall record your judgement what do I go back and tell my people (Africans)
Today it is us tomorrow it shall be you.
Though you have struck a match in Ethiopia it shall burn and rage Europe


Please do not trivialise African history it is vital to our emancipation.


Salam fikr desta