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Goshen360: Hey Brother Obadiah777 (I address you as such since you're now unmasked again, )

There's nowhere in scripture where the words of Christ EVER, I say EVER contradicted the words or teaching of Apostle Paul except when you can't parallel the teachings of our Lord and Saviour with that of Apostle Paul. Permit me to say this, what Christ came to do and teaching is a NEW COVENANT and in order to do that, Christ will first need to lay another foundation which is different from the OLD COVENANT. So when Apostle Paul came, he NEVER said anything different. In fact, he attested to the foundation Christ laid by saying,

King James 2000 Bible
For no other foundation can a man lay than what is laid, which is Jesus Christ. - 1 Corinthians 3:11


Now, in other for this foundation to take effect, Christ has to institute a NEW COVENANT and to do that, he will have to shed his blood. This NEW COVENANT is IN christ's blood but this NEW COVENANT cannot take effect until that blood is shed. This is therefore what Christ had to say,

King James 2000 Bible
Likewise also the cup after supper, saying, This cup is the new covenant in my blood, which is shed for you. - Luke 22:20

Hence, you see, "which is SHED FOR YOU". The blood has to be shed in order for the New Covenant to fully take effect. You need to parallel Paul's teaching with Chtist's teaching - There's no contradictions at all.

Joagbaje: I believe I have answered the major question of your thread . Salvation is for Jews and Gentiles . I backed it up with references but I'm yet to know the point you're really getting at . Do you dispute with the verses I quoted? Do you have different interpretation? You need to really be clear on what you're driving at.

Joagbaje: You're not really making any point except picking holes in my post

jeffrey t: I am still awaiting your reply. Sensitive subject? You wont take the bait most high?

Goshen360: You think Paul's teachings contradicts Jesus' teaching You need to study the scriptures more and leave these your Judaism mentality please. I stopped responding to you like I feel you're Obadiah777 with another handle as MostHigh.

Joagbaje: Where did you get this lie? Certainly not from scripture .



Salvation is for all both Jews and gentile.

Romans 1:16
For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ:for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek.

John 10:16
And other sheep I have, which are not of this fold:them also I must bring, and they shall hear my voice; and there shall be one fold, and one shepherd.

Galatians 3:28
There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female:for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.

Romans 2:28-29
For he is not a Jew, which is one outwardly; neither is that circumcision, which is outward in the flesh: But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God.

Joagbaje: Where did you get this lie? Certainly not from scripture .



Salvation is for all both Jews and gentile.

Romans 1:16
For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ:for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek.

John 10:16
And other sheep I have, which are not of this fold:them also I must bring, and they shall hear my voice; and there shall be one fold, and one shepherd.

Galatians 3:28
There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female:for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.

Romans 2:28-29
For he is not a Jew, which is one outwardly; neither is that circumcision, which is outward in the flesh: But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God.


JOAGBAJE GOOD TO SEE YOU ARE BACK

WOE UNTO THOSE THAT SAY THEY ARE JEWS AND ARE NOT. ARE CHRISTIANS JEWS? FROM ALL INDICATION YOU HAVE EXPRESSED YOUR VIEWS THAT SALVATION IS OF THE CHRISTIAN

PEACE LOVE AND JOY!!!!

jeffrey t: Great topic, lets start at top john4:22. What was original word in this verse? Next question would be what does word you are looking at in english bible mean? Next question....Jesus Christ was a "jew" can you please explain what you mean using definitions that would apply as word did not exist so I can not see how you can be something that did not exist to begin with. Jesus Christ was not a "jew"

Goshen360: There's nothing like sabbath for Christians. It was a picture of God's kind of rest and has nothing to do with worship day for Saturday or Sunday.

Goshen360: @ MostHigh,

This is the reason why NO Christian can keep ALL the 613 laws and commandments etc.

10 For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse: for it is written, Cursed is every one that continueth not in all things which are written in the book of the law to do them. - Galatians 3(KJV)

In fact, scripture calls people that teaches Christians to follow Jewish regualtions false brethren.

New Living Translation
Even that question came up only because of some so-called Christians there--false ones, really--who were secretly brought in. They sneaked in to spy on us and take away the freedom we have in Christ Jesus. They wanted to enslave us and force us to follow their Jewish regulations. - Galatians 2:4

Stop telling Christians to follow the Jewish regulations, Christian were NEVER under that covenant.

christemmbassey: .

King James Version (KJV)
Wherefore the children of Israel shall keep the sabbath, to observe the sabbath throughout their generations, for a perpetual covenant. It is a sign between me and the children of Israel for ever: for in six days the Lord made heaven and earth, and on the seventh day he rested, and was refreshed. And he gave unto Moses, when he had made an end of communing with him upon mount Sinai, two tables of testimony, tables of stone, written with the finger of God. - Exodus 31:16-18

The below scriptures clearly says the OLD COVENANT are the TEN COMMANDMENTS,

King James Version (KJV)
And the Lord said unto Moses, Write thou these words: for after the tenor of these words I have made a covenant with thee and with Israel. And he was there with the Lord forty days and forty nights; he did neither eat bread, nor drink water. And he wrote upon the tables the words of the covenant, the ten commandments. - Exodus 34:27-28

King James Version (KJV)
And he declared unto you his covenant, which he commanded you to perform, even ten commandments; and he wrote them upon two tables of stone. - Deuteronomy 4:13

Some people teach that there are different kinds of law such as moral, ceremonial etc laws. God didn't make such distinctions - everything was delivered to Moses AS A UNIT for the children of Israel as confirmed by this scripture.

CHRISTEMBASSEY YOU HAVE MADE THAT DISTINCTION ALREADY BY OBEYING THE TEN COMMANDMENTS AND PAYING YOUR TITHES AND CIRCUMSCISING YOUR MALE CHILDREN. IF IT IS A COMPLETE UNIT AS YOU SAY THEN YOU SHOULD OBSERVE ALL AND NOT LEAVE SOME OUT.

CHRISTEMBASSEY YOU SPEAK TRUTH, THE DISTINCTIONS ARE NOT EXPRESSLY DECLARED BUT UNDER INSPIRIATION ONE CAN SEE THE BLOOD SACRIFICE (COVENANT) WAS ABOLISHED IN CHRIST.

CHRISTEMBASSEY WHAT ABOUT THE OTHER INSTRUCTIONS WITHIN THE UNIT?
THERE ARE 613 COMMANDMENTS OR INSTRUCTIONS OR TEACHINGS WHICHEVER YOU WANT TO CALL IT, BLOOD SACRIFICE IS ONLY A PART OF IT

CHRISTEMBASSEY THE CHANGING OF THE PRIESTHOOD LIKE I HAVE SAID BEFORE MEANS A CHANGE IN THE ACCEPTABLE SACRIFICE NOT AN ABOLISHING OF THE WHOLE EDIFYING INSTRUCTIONS.

King James Version (KJV)
And the Lord said unto Moses, Come up to me into the mount, and be there: and I will give thee tables of stone, and a law, and commandments which I have written; that thou mayest teach them. - Exodus 24:12

King James Version (KJV)
Thou camest down also upon mount Sinai, and spakest with them from heaven, and gavest them right judgments, and true laws, good statutes and commandments: - Nehemiah 9:13

What do we have here? Tables of stones, a law or lawS, statutes, judgments and commandments. It was an all inclusive package.

Apostle Paul later identified this Old covenant as the Old Testament calling it "the ministration of death" and says it's done away and abolished in Christ.

King James Version (KJV)
But if the ministration of death, written and engraven in stones, was glorious, so that the children of Israel could not stedfastly behold the face of Moses for the glory of his countenance; which glory was to be done away....But their minds were blinded: for until this day remaineth the same vail untaken away in the reading of the old testament; which veil is done away in Christ. - 2 Corinthians 3:7; 14

Now, coming to Hebrews 8, the Author also identified the covenant (as a whole packages we saw above containing the laws, ten commandments, statutes etc) and says it's done away and abolished.

CHRISTEMBASSEY SEEING YOU ARE CIRCUNSCISED IN YOUR FORESKIN AND YOU PAY TITHES AND ALSO OBEY THE 10 COMMANDMENTS I WAS WONDERING IF YOU CAN EXPLAIN TO US WHY YOU CHOOSE TO OBEY THIS PART OF THE LAW AND DISREGARD OTHER PARTS? SINCE YOU HAVE QUOTED WELL FROM HEBREWS ABOUT THE (LAW) BEING ABOLISHED?

IF THE WHOLE MIZVOT (613 INSTRUCTIONS) ARE DONE AWAY WITH AND ABOLISHED WHAT IS NOW THE COUNTERBALANCE TO THE SINFULL NATURE

FOR WE KNOW THAT THERE IS NO SIN WITHOUT LAW, WHAT YOU ARE DESCRIBING IS ANARCHY

AND WHY IS PAUL WORRIED ABOUT THE LAWLESS MAN IF ALL LAW HAS BEEN ABOLISHED (PLS NOTE THE WORD LAW AND LAWLESS)


7 For if that first covenant had been faultless, then should no place have been sought for the second. 13 In that he saith, A new covenant, he hath made the first old. Now that which decayeth and waxeth old is ready to vanish away. - Hebrews 8

King James Version (KJV)
Then said he, Lo, I come to do thy will, O God. He taketh away the first, that he may establish the second. - Hebrews 10:9

Put everything in context, the first in Hebrews 10:9 is what is referred to as first covenant in Hebrews 8:7,13. The same is referred to as second which the first was taken away and the new covenant established and ultimately leads to change of the entire law system.

12 For the priesthood being changed, there is made of necessity a change also of the law. - Hebrews 7

King James Version (KJV)
[i]There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit. For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus [b]hath made me free from [color=#990000]the law of sin and death[QED, God bless you sir.

truthislight: thank you.

truthislight: I dont know why you are knocking your head for this:



is the levitical priest hood in the "order of melchizedech"?
*smh*

"And here men that die receive tithes; but there he receiveth them, of whom it is witnessed that he liveth.

And as I may so say, Levi also, who receiveth tithes, payed tithes in Abraham. For he was yet in the loins of his father, when Melchisedec met him. If therefore perfection were by the Levitical priesthood, (for under it the people received the law,) what further need was there that another priest should rise after the order of Melchisedec, and not be called after the order of Aaron?.


For the priesthood being changed, there is made of necessity a change also of the law." (Hebrews 7:8-12).

"And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years. But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection. Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years." (Revelation 20:4-6).


The error is yours not mine.

You are angry that your error is pointed out.

Enjoy!

christemmbassey: @Mosthigh, pls sir as a christian, i dont understand what you are saying. @Goshen & Frosbel, do u guys understand what he is saying?

truthislight: My friend, what really is your interest? are you a Jew?

You have said a lot of things, but it seems you are trying to bend scriptures to suit a certain doctrin that is not supported by the (bible) new convanant.



what is this below? :



please, dont contradict the bible.

(Revelation 20:4).
"And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years." (Revelation 20:4).

"Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years." (Revelation 20:6).
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This ^^^ are the arrangement and those to serve as priest in the new kingdom.


The next point is that this people are with christ.

Just dont project what the bible does not say.

Peace.

truthislight: think what?

You are twisting the scriptures, i have shown you the arrangement of the almighty for the future and you want me to "think and ordinance" what?

Cant you show me why what i have shown you from the scripture is wrong?

Keep deceiving yourself that Israelite levite will be the priest in God's kingdom when i have shown you what Yahweh's plans are.

truthislight: My friend, what really is your interest? are you a Jew?

You have said a lot of things, but it seems you are trying to bend scriptures to suit a certain doctrin that is not supported by the (bible) new convanant.

WHY DO YOU WANT TO OBJECTIFY ME AS CHRISTIAN,JEW.... ARE WE ALL NOT CHILDREN OF THE MOST HIGH GOD?
BY OBJECTIFYING ME DO YOU THINK YOU WILL PERCIEVE BETTER OR ARE YOU LOOKING FOR A WAY TO PERSECUTE ME THE MORE
ALL WORDS AND VERSES I HAVE QUOTED ARE FROM OR POINT TO CHRIST SO YOU CAN IMMIDIATLY SEE MY INCLINATION YASHUA THE SON OF JOSEPH IS MY MASTER THAT IS ALL I CAN SAY.

1. FOR SOMEONE WHO HAS MADE SUCH ACCUSATIONS (BENDING OF SCRIPTURES) YOU HAVE CONTRIBUTED VERY LITTLE TO PROVE YOUR CASE, PREADVENTURE YOU ARE ILL EQUIPED.
2. ALL WORDS SPOKEN HERE ARE STRAIGHT FROM THE SCRIPTURES I HAVE NO DOCTRINE OF MY OWN.
3. IT IS ONLY THE SATANISTS THAT SAY THERE IS AN OLD GOD (HENCE THE PHRASE OLD AND NEW COVENENT OR TESTAMENT)THE BIBLE IS ONE COMPLETE WORK FULL OF EDIFICATION
4. THE NEW COVENANT ONLY CONFIRMS ALL THAT HAS BEEN SAID IN THE TORAH (I HAVE NOT COME TO DESTROY BUT TO FUFILL) ARE YOU FUFILLING?


what is this below? :



please, dont contradict the bible.

(Revelation 20:4).
"And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years." (Revelation 20:4).

"Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years." (Revelation 20:6).
................

This ^^^ are the arrangement and those to serve as priest in the new kingdom.


The next point is that this people are with christ.

Just dont project what the bible does not say.

Peace.

Goshen360: @ MostHigh,

There's no specification as to which law was set aside or which ones were left. The entire ten commandments, sacrificial, ceremonial and civil law was all set aside and done away with. I can begin to show you scriptures that SPECIFICALLY CALLED THE TEN COMMANDMENTS THE OLD COVENANTS AND COMMANDMENTS.

So, when you read in another scriptures that the law was set aside and abolished, it means ALL of it with non exception.

Joagbaje: He wasnt teaching the law.he was teaching the principles of the kingdom. You will notice . Jesus always emphasize " the kingdom is like"
JOAGBAJE YOU HAVE A WAY WITH WORDS BUT LETS STAY FOCUSED. FROM MY OWN REASONING THE WORD PRINCIPLE AND LAW ARE THE SAME THING

PRINCIPLE OF SOUND MEANS LAW GUIDING SOUND GET IT?




The passage talks about the anti christ .

JOAGBAJE THE ANTICHRIST HATES THE LAWS OF GOD HENCE THE TERM LAWLESS MAN. PLEASE NOTE NOT THE LAWS OF ADEFARASI OR OLUKOYA BUT THE LAWS OF THE MOST HIGH GOD. AND YOU ARE EXHIBITING THE SAME TRAITS.
JOAGBAJE WHAT COULD BE MORE CARNAL THAN ASSUMING THAT GOD DID NOT MEAN WHAT HE SAID, AND THEN TRYING TO NULLIFY HIS WORD WITH THE DOCTRINE OF MEN
AND WHAT COULD BE MORE SPIRITUAL THAN FAITH, TAKING GOD AT HIS WORD

Point of correction. Jesus was not son of Joseph

JOAGBAJE SO THE BIBLE LIES? JHN 1:45 PHILIP FINDETH NATHANAEL, AND SAITH UNTO HIM, WE HAVE FOUND HIM, OF WHOM MOSES IN THE LAW, AND THE PROPHETS, DID WRITE, JESUS OF NAZARETH, THE SON OF JOSEPH.
SO GENETICALLY YOU SAY YASHUA HAS NO Y CHROMOSOME? THIS SOUNDS LIKE AN ALIEN FROM OUT OF SPACE ALTHOUGH I HAVE NEVER MET ONE.
IF THIS WERE TRUE THEN WE WOULD ALL BE LOST FOR WE SEE FROM SCRITURE THAT THE PROMISES WERE MADE UNTO DAVID
ACT 2:30 THEREFORE BEING A PROPHET, AND KNOWING THAT GOD HAD SWORN WITH AN OATH TO HIM, THAT OF THE FRUIT OF HIS LOINS, ACCORDING TO THE FLESH, HE WOULD RAISE UP CHRIST TO SIT ON HIS THRONE; WITHOUT A Y CHROMOSOME THIS PROPHECY IS ANNULLED YASHUA WOULD HAVE NO CONNECTION TO DAVID OR EVEN ADAM HENCE THE TERM ALIEN.
LIKE I MENTIONED BEFORE MITHRAISM IS FAR OLDER THAN CHRISTIANITY AND THERE ALSO YOU HAVE THE DEMON CONCEPT OF SON BORN WITH MOTHER BUT FATHERLESS
JUST LIKE ASHTORETH AND BAAL IN SHORT IN MOST PAGAN RELIGIONS IT IS SO, VIRGIN BIRTH IS NOT NEW TO MANKIND.



There is sin in the world from the fall of Adam until the millennium reign

IF YOU ARE CORRECT THEN THERE MUST ALSO BE LAWS TO COUNTERACT THIS SIN LOOKS LIKE YOU HAVE WRITTEN YOUR OWN LAWS MAY THE MOST HIGH HELP YOU.

Righteousness come by faith not from the law

I SAID INSTRUCTION IN RIGHTOUSNESS WHICH IS EXACTLY WHAT WE ARE ALL SHARING HERE, THE WORD ABI?



Youre theone saying so . The lawless man is going to be the antichrist.

JOAGBAJE YOU ARE CORRECT BUT REMEMBER THE LAWLESS MAN HAS MORE FOLLOWERS THAN CHRIST NOW AS WE SEE IT, FOR HE IS THE RULER OF THIS WORLD (POLITICAL POWER).
IF HE IS INDEED LAWLESS THEN WHAT ABOUT HIS CHILDREN WILL THEY NOT ALSO BE AGAINST THE LAWS OF THE MOST HIGH?


What is the doctrine of men and what is the instruction of the most high
DOCTRINE OF MEN WOULD INCLUDE THINGS LIKE SUNDAY WORSHIP, DELIVERANCE.... IN OTHER WORDS DOING WHAT THE PASTORS SAY AND FORGETTING CHRISTS WORDS
INSTRUCTIONS OF THE MOST HIGH ARE CONTAINED WITHIN THE BIBLE I WOULD ADVISE YOU READ DEUTRONOMY AGAIN AS A REMINDER




Jesus will reign over the earth for 1,000 yrs. with his saints . but What is the point of your question?

GOOD. LIKE YOU SAID IF HE IS TO REIGN 1000YRS AND WE HAVE SEEN FROM SCRIPTURE THAT THE RULE OR GOVERNMENT WILL BE BASED ON OLD TESTAMENT LAW THEN WHY ARE YOU NOT LIVING LIKE AN ISREALITE NOW
DID YOU NOT HEAR IT WAS SAID OF THE MASTER
MAT 7:23 AND THEN WILL I PROFESS UNTO THEM, I NEVER KNEW YOU: DEPART FROM ME, YE THAT WORK INIQUITY.
JOAGBAJE IF YOU LIVE LFE LIKE YASHUA LIVED HIS THEN SURELY IF HE PASSES YOU ON THE ROAD YOU WILL KNOW HIS FACE


PEACE LOVE AND JOY!!!


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Joagbaje: Pls tell us your understanding of the millennial reign. With scriptural reference , and lets move foreward.

Goshen360: @ MostHigh,

How then do we interpret your statement with this verse?

Expanded Bible (EXB)
[ For] Christ ended [is the end/culmination/fulfillment of] the law so that everyone who believes in him may be right with God [have righteousness]. - Romans 10:4

SNCOQ3: Christians are Spiritual Jews.