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1. With reference to romans 1:16 why the jew first why not the gentile first and why the distinction between jew first and then gentile

after is a gentile not an unbeliver?

Does a gentile not need to be a believer to obtain salvation

2. john 10:16 if isreal reborn is to be one nation under God what is the constitution of this nation?

is it based on jewish law or christian law kind of tricky isnt it?

3. if there is neither male or female as well it looks like we have to analyze in what context this statement was made

I noticed you have quoted well but you have not qouted from the words of yashua himself strange.... but typical.

There are many references to his views on the jews and salvation.

King.. kingdom... constitution

Peace love and joy!!!

So you agree with me that the sun will implode.

How do you worship an entity that has a definite lifespan?

Sorry if I didnt come across clear enough let me try again.

1. If christ is a jew and lived the life of a jew as we see in the scriptures and you are a christian are you really on the same path as the master?
2. How do you reconcile the contradictions between the way of life of the master and his followers today?
3. correct me if I am wrong but the sermon on the mount though meant for all true belivers was given to a predominantly jewish audience hence the constant reference to the books of torah with great emphasis on deutronomy (the reminding of the LAW)

If a jewish man is talking to a jewish people about a jewish way of life then how does christianity fit in if prophetically in the Kingdom age we will be living the same way of life?

Peace,love and joy!!!

Have you not heard it was said

Sacrifice and offering thou didst not desire; mine ears hast thou opened: burnt offering and sin offering hast thou not required.


Psa 40:7 Then said I, Lo, I come: in the volume of the book [it is] written of me,


Psa 40:8 I delight to do thy will, O my God: yea, thy LAW [is] within my heart.

offering tithes is not a bad thing but you should not have forgotten the first works, this is what gives salvation

And come to think of it, the ancient isrealites were a predominantly agricultural nation hence all thier offerigs (flour,oil,meat) were agricultural produce

This was to feed the levite priests and all the poor that came to the temple.

Why are our brethren not practicing this now? instead they load men with burdens and for a fee (money)make long prayer.

like I said tell me Gods account number, man will not worship mammon forever

Isreal Arise!! and be reborn again.

Peace love and joy!!!

greatgenius

Dont be ignorant the most high made the sun

When the sun implodes into a wormhole which star will you now worship

think about it critically.

looks like this is a sensitive topic

Is there no one willing enough to take the bait?

A Quote out of the Catholic Catechism by Peter Geierman, The Convert's Catechism of Catholic Doctrine, p. 50.

Q. What is the Third Commandment?
A. The Third Commandment is: Remember that thou keep holy the Sabbath day.
Q. Which is the Sabbath day?
A. Saturday is the Sabbath day.
Q. Why do we observe Sunday instead of Saturday?
A. We observe Sunday instead of Saturday because the Catholic Church transferred the solemnity from Saturday to Sunday."


Canon Laws of the Council of Laodicea

Can. 29. “Christians shall not Judaize and be idle on Saturday, but shall work on that day; but the Lord’s day (sunday) they shall especially honor, and, as being Christians, shall, if possible, do no work on that day. If, however, they are found Judaizing (saturday sabbath rest), they shall be shut out [Greek anathema] from Christ.” …

This legislation by Constantine probably bore no relation to Christianity; it appears, on the contrary, that the emperor, in his capacity of Pontifex Maximus, was only adding the day of the Sun, the worship of which was then firmly established in the Roman Empire, to the other ferial days of the sacred calendar…
What began, however, as a pagan ordinance, ended as a Christian regulation; and a long series of imperial decrees, during the fourth, fifth, and sixth centuries, enjoined with increasing stringency abstinence from labor on Sunday.

Peace love and joy!!!

Pagan you are a true son of Mithras no be lie ooo!.

Heathens .... worship at the hearthstone.

Thats why u r a pagan now it makes sense

I was wondering why someone would use pagan as a screen name

Are all pagans as insulting as u or is it just your makeup?

ehen b4 i forget what do u pagans beleive in

Yashua died on the cross so you could stop sinning by following his example and seeking the cross as well, not for every sin you have ever or will ever commit.

That is paian silly talk and that is why christians continue sinning regardless.

Most bible scholars agree that the harlot of rev 17 is apostate christiandom.

salvation depends on your faith in the jewish way of life

if you were a true foloower of yashua you would live the way of the jew and not join this bandwagon

yashua rested on the sabbath christians rest on sunday, meanwhile na militay might na in change this most holy law
(constantine)

yashua was not a christian


being jewish is a way of life

christ was a jew not a christian and he even told us categorically that salvation is of the jews john 4:22 pls dont confuse this with christianity a new creation.

Woe unto those that say they are jews and are not but are the synagouge of satan, jews oo not christian rev: 2

The harlot being ecclesiastical babylan (christianity) and the beast is political babylan (democracy,communism,liberation theology ....)

if this is true then there must certainly in the very near future be a destruction of christianity as we know it. The bible cannot lie

also some other references to this destruction

Albert pike (morals and dogma) and the Protocols of the elders of zion if these 2 works plus johns revelation are on point regarding end time prophecy then two thirds of the worlds population will be decimated by the beast, and the false prophet will be completely destroyed so that the beast is worshiped as all and all.

One world government WATCH OUT!

Christianity and mithraism are identical in almost all things (mode of worship,sacred days.....) sun worship hence sunday rest

Nico=victory the bird that sits in the hands of zeus in his temple
Latians=people

Hence nicolatians = victory over the people the separation between laity and clergy (interdinominational) not too long after yashuas departure.

Each with his own doctrine and flock my pastor my pastor..... no one remembering yashua. I once stood outside a church building and heard the pastor chant 'and so oyedepo says' and everyone answering amen.

This was what christ expressly forbade why make another responsible for your spiritual life my pastor my pastor.......

please read about the council of nicea,laodacia and trent and you will have a clearer picture of how christianity was systematically created in the west

Eastern christianity is quite different as they still observe the torah laws apart from blood sacrifice.

peace love and joy!!!

thegenie

Keep on payin tithe maybe someday you will tell me Gods account number

and if you have this man as your focal point what happens to yashua

(and so oyedepo says) imagine that.

two thirds of the worlds population will soon be wiped out. continue dancing to pan the pipers tune.

Why say the jews? it was a conspiracy between the pastors, lawyers and politicians of his time.

Look around you have things really changed that much, the goons are still around but not for long.

pure luciferian worship Lucifer means morning star, brightness.

The sun is the morning star is it not?

The first day of the week was set aside as a holy day to the sun. The god of the sun was called Baal or Lord. Today it is still known as Sun-day, the day of the sun (god)

Christ at his most violent please note the characters he is cursing in math 23 he curses them 7 times, these same men exist today in the personalities of pastors and lawyers.

1. Mat 23:13 But woe unto you, lawyers and Pastors, hypocrites! for ye shut up the kingdom of heaven against men: for ye neither go in [yourselves], neither suffer ye them that are entering to go in.

2. Mat 23:14 Woe unto you, Lawyers and Pastors, hypocrites! for ye devour widows' houses, and for a pretence make long prayer: therefore ye shall receive the greater damnation.

3. Mat 23:15 Woe unto you, lawyers and Pastors, hypocrites! for ye compass sea and land to make one proselyte, and when he is made, ye make him twofold more the child of hell than yourselves

4. Mat 23:16 Woe unto you, [ye] blind guides, which say, Whosoever shall swear by the church building, it is nothing; but whosoever shall swear by church money na debtor!


Mat 23:17 [Ye] fools and blind: for whether is greater, the gold, or the temple that sanctifieth the gold?


5. Mat 23:23 Woe unto you, lawyers and Pastors, hypocrites! for ye pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin, and have omitted the weightier [matters] of the law, judgment, mercy, and faith: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone.

6. 23:25 Woe unto you, lawyers and Pastors, hypocrites! for ye make clean the outside of the cup and of the platter, but within they are full of extortion and excess.


Mat 23:26 [Thou] blind Pastors, cleanse first that [which is] within the cup and platter, that the outside of them may be clean also.


7. Mat 23:27 Woe unto you, lawyers and Pastors, hypocrites! for ye are like unto whited sepulchres, which indeed appear beautiful outward, but are within full of dead [men's] bones, and of all uncleanness.


Mat 23:28 Even so ye also outwardly appear righteous unto men, but within ye are full of hypocrisy and iniquity.


how can you all deny these signs seeing they are all so evident before you, no man of God aquires excessive wealth it is proscribed in the torah

Deu 17:16 But he shall not multiply horses to himself, nor cause the people to return to Egypt, to the end that he should multiply horses: forasmuch as the LORD hath said unto you, Ye shall henceforth return no more that way.


Deu 17:17 Neither shall he multiply wives to himself, that his heart turn not away: neither shall he greatly multiply to himself silver and gold.


open your eyes do not be afraid to speak against injustice and unrightousness.


Regarding judgement from inspiration


Psa 119:12 Blessed [art] thou, O LORD: teach me thy statutes.


Psa 119:13 With my lips have I declared all the (judgments) of thy mouth.

so why are some people battering this chap? is it wrong to speak against such things. especially when the word of the lord backs you

there is such a thing as rightouse judgments abi?

Mat 23:2 Saying, The lawyers and the pastors sit in Moses' seat:


Mat 23:3 All therefore whatsoever they bid you observe, [that] observe and do; but do not ye after their works: for they say, and do not.


Mat 23:4 For they bind heavy burdens and grievous to be borne, and lay [them] on men's shoulders; but they [themselves] will not move them with one of their fingers.


Mat 23:5 But all their works they do for to be seen of men: they make broad their phylacteries, and enlarge the borders of their garments,


Mat 23:6 And love the uppermost rooms at celebrations, and the chief seats in the church building,


Mat 23:7 And greetings in the markets, and to be called of men, pastor, pastor.


Mat 23:8 But be not ye called pastor: for one is your Master, [even] Christ; and all ye are brethren.


Mat 23:9 And call no [man] your father (Daddy) upon the earth: for one is your Father, which is in heaven.


Mat 23:10 Neither be ye called masters: for one is your Master, [even] Christ.

Jhn 4:21 Jesus saith unto her, Woman, believe me, the hour cometh, when ye shall neither in this mountain, nor yet at Jerusalem, worship the Father.
Is this a time of bodily worship we can see in the book of revelations that there is no physical temple in the new jerusalem?

Jhn 4:22 Ye worship ye know not what: we know what we worship: for salvation is of the Jews.

Then what about the christians where do they stand?

Does being a jeudo christian reconcile this issue as we can see in the oriental orthodox (african christianity), or does one just ignore the jewish issue altogether?

These thoughts

1. a jew a descendant of abraham Ham+shem

2. a culture a way of life

I belive this way of life was made available to the whole world through christ,the sermon on the mount confirms this because prophetically he was talking to us all

interesting





Peace love and Joy.

you remember what the bible says

Hbr 10:25 Not forsaking the assembling of ourselves together, as the manner of some [is]; but exhorting [one another]: and so much the more, as ye see the day approaching.

Matthew 18:20 For where two or three are gathered together in my name, there am I in the middle of them.

Why all this interdinominational wahala?

Who has put mankind on this broad dangerouse road

Live the way of the jew in your private meditations for your master yashua son of joseph is a jew. John 4:22 salvation is of the jew


Rom 1:16 For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the (Jew) first, and also to the Greek.

So which one una come be now jew or gentile?

make una check am now when una wan start to live the way of the master in all ways no joke ooo!


nothing stops you from living in the kingdom now but mark my words you cannot sneak into the kingdom, is it at that time you will learn to live as a jew? check am now we say Isreal reborn, can she be governed by any other law apart from the bible

why go yeah after all these pharasees each one gloryfying himself having his own banner and agenda

If it was yams and oil and beans that was being tithed would they not have been forced to share the food to the poor else it rots?

But here we see a systems that worships mammon paper money yes oooo!

The harlot sits upon many waters and she has many children

Bobbyaf

How can yashua the son of joseph be the farther?

Then who rules during the kingsom age?

pls do not preach wrong doctrine Yashua is the son if you live your life like him then you will see the farther surely.

isa 9 refers to the kingdom age pls not and the government shall be upon his shoulders, just like david a king priest melchizedek monarch priest same thing

somalia5 please try and wathc this video in your spare time, i dont expect you to agree with it all but at least give it some research and thought

Peace love and joy!!


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=94CWcNmoyZ4

wordthots regarding restitution.

True restitution can only be attained through confession, confession is good for the soul. I dont mean you need to confess your sins to any one individual per say more like an acknolowdgement of doing wrong and a sincere repentance.

psalm 51:3 For I acknowledge my transgressions: and my sin [is] ever before me.


Psa 51:4 Against thee, thee only, have I sinned, and done [this] evil in thy sight: that thou mightest be justified when thou speakest, [and] be clear when thou judgest.


51:6 Behold, thou desirest truth in the inward parts: and in the hidden [part] thou shalt make me to know wisdom.


Psa 51:7 Purge me with hyssop, and I shall be clean: wash me, and I shall be whiter than snow.


Psa 51:8 Make me to hear joy and gladness; [that] the bones [which] thou hast broken may rejoice.


Psa 51:9 Hide thy face from my sins, and blot out all mine iniquities.


Psa 51:10 Create in me a clean heart, O God; and renew a right spririt within me



In situation where the oportunity to make ammends is not possible then one must fall on the holy spirit psalm 51

verse 17 reads The sacrifices of God [are] a broken spirit: a broken and a contrite heart, O God, thou wilt not despise.

peace love and joy!!!

wordthots

1. Because salvation is free does not mean you should be lawless and you are not working your way you are only being 'obedient' even unto death just as he was. the keyword here is obedient. what are you obeying is it your own carnal willfull law or the law of christ wich is the complete word of God pls note math 5:17 God would never contradict himself

Please try and cross reference all instances of Yashua speaking on the law he never said there was no need to be obedient and in his living example he fufilled the law to the letter apart from the type of sacrifice he offerd

The keyword here my brethren is 'sacrifice' with a change in the priesthood came a change in the tebaernacle which we now say is the human physical body and acceptable sacrifice which are our inward thoughts our prayers. We all know our inward thoughts always reflect in our action destiny in words.

Heb 7:11 "For if perfection could have been attained through the Levitical priesthood (for on the basis of it the law was given to the people), why was there still need for another priest to come - one in the order of Melchisedek, not in the order of Aaron? For when there is a change of the priesthood, THERE MUST ALSO BE A CHANGE OF THE 'LAW'.


Please note a change in the law no be say you throway everything create
your own system?

So although the Levitical priesthood is established forever, together with all the laws that accompanied it, a new priesthood has arisen - after the order of Melchisedek.these priests offer a different type of sacrifice they offer themselves so the holy spirit can fill them up, he always knows when you truly offer yourself an acceptable sacrifice

Remember my brethren how moses in the desert told every farther of the home to become a priest so that the family unit could reflect the heavenly zion, this is the brazen serpent the final cure selfsacrice typpefied in the rightouse rule of the farther the kingdom of heaven.

This would in actuality mean that the farhters position in the home would be twofold one as head of state (temporal power)and secondly as head of church(spiritual power authority) King Priest just like melchizedek.



Imagine a nation like that waoooo!! why allow your mind to be conrolled you already know right from wrong no one needs to tell you and at that time one will not teach another for they shall all know God.

Exodus 19:1-24:18 (Read 19)


Israel did not obey His voice nor keep His laws, and therefore they did not become a national priesthood. Instead, God chose one family- the family of Aaron - and he and his sons were ordained to officiate as a special priesthood, as we read in Exodus 28:1: "and take thou unto thee Aaron thy brother and his sons with him from among the children of Israel, that he may minister unto Me in the priest's office." The New Testament tells us in Heb. 7:11 that this was known as the "Levitical" priesthood because Aaron and his sons were of the tribe of Levi. It is often called the Aaronic priesthood because Aaron was its first High Priest - see Heb. 5:4. This priesthood functioned during the Old Testament days and was still in force when our Lord came

Men ordained within the order of melchizedek as we see it in the torah not a conclusive list:

1. Yashua son of joseph and his brethren
2. John the baptist
3. Daniel and his brethren
5. King David
6. Joseph
7. Samuel
8. Samson
9. Elijah

debosky
Who said you should die please ooo! and why do you have to prove anything at all, all we are saying is that you live like christ. If you do the children of lucifer will try and take your life as they did to him and all his desciples after him all but john at patmos

you are not aware that the christlike one is always under the danger of losing his life just because of the light he reveals and the truth he speaks, for men so loved the darkness. but if being a true son then no one can curse you or take your life except the farther allows it.

would you conciuosly endanger your life for the truth say for instances speaking against homosexual marriage or openly accusing politicians of thievery. are you not aware there are people on this earth under incarceration and different types of suffering for having strong views in opposition of such living.

[/color][color=#990000] Dearly beloved in response to your questions:

3. We say the kingdom age is now and the body is the temple the sacrifices acceptable are our right doings towards each other and there is no need for the levites anymore remember my reference to hebrews as regarding the changing of the priesthood Aronic which would encompass the pharasees,saduccess and herodians and Nazaritic which would include Yashua and his desciples and John the baptist and his desciples.

All are now king prophets and priests as long as they live exactly as christ did. Note there is no physical temple in john's vision of the end in the book of revelations.1 chor 16:19-20 Do you not know that your body is a temple of the Holy Spirit why then do our brethren worldwide seek for the holy spirit in a building like thier brethren befor yashuas revelation. Was the veil not ripped from top to bottom so all could see God face to face? this na place wey only the high pastor/priest fit enter normally,but at the cross all was revealed why then would one go back to this building made with hands (this is for our sunday going church brethren) what happens after that service is also very impoertant to your salvation

Hbr 10:16-17 This [is] the covenant that I will make with them after those days, saith the Lord, I will put my (laws) into their hearts, and in their minds will I write them;And their sins and iniquities will I remember no more


Also we can quote the master as saying thus, sacrifice and offering thou did not want but a (body) has thou prepared for I.We all know in our subconciouse mind that the body is the true temple and our dealings with one another are the are acceptable and unacceptable sacrifices. Stop blaming one another blame is hatred.

6. Though I am not sabatarian I do observe the sabbath in faith as do millions of christians in the oriental orthodox church (Yashua observed the sabbath) more like do as I do . it was Rome that condemmed the sabbath upon pain of death (factual history) they shall not juedize worship him everyday and keep the sabbath holy also.

In his famous edict of 321 CE, Constantine declared, "On the Venerable Day of the Sun let the magistrates and people residing in cities rest, and let all workshops be closed. In the country, however, persons engaged in agriculture may freely and lawfully continue their pursuits; because it often happens that another day is not so suitable for grain-sowing or for vine-planting; lest by neglecting the proper moment for such operations the bounty of heaven should be lost."

Think about this — a sun worshipper changed the day that our Father in heaven established in favor of a day that was being honored and observed to the sun. This edict undeniably verifies the paganism of Sunday worship. There is, again, not a single verse in the New Testament confirming that the day of worship changed from the seventh to the first-day of the week. This change was only through the pen of man, not through the inspiration of Almighty Yahweh, the one with whom we should be concerned.

At the Council of Laodicea in 325 CE, sixteen years after Constantine’s original edict, we find a second attempt to remove the Sabbath. In this decree the counsel of bishops declared, "Christians shall not Judaize and be idle on Saturday, but shall work on that day; but the Lord’s day they shall especially honour, and as being Christians, shall, if possible, do no work on that day. If, however, they are found Judaizing, they shall by shut out from Christ."

Not only did the bishops state here that Sunday was to be observed in lieu of the seventh-day Sabbath, but we find that they also forbade Christians from Judaizing the Sabbath. This provides irrefutable evidence that for 300 years after the death of Yahshua there were still "Christians" observing the Biblical Sabbath. It also shows the desire of the church to move away from its Jewish or Hebraic heritage.

Qouiting yashua once again in john 4:22 this is between you and the farther you must at least try and live you life like a jew for christ was a jew, if you live like ijaw man you don miss am ooo!


4.I believe in Salvation by faith in christ and we all know christ obeyed the law to the letter, hence the reference to john 8 (none of the pharasees saducees and herodians could condemn him of sin for he had fufilled all that was required by law just like john the baptist,they were both of the same order, priesthood the order of melchizedek the Nazarite order, which is distinct from the Aronic order only with regards to the type of sacrifice offerd Nazaritic is self sacrifice while Aronic provides an option for a substitute look at the world today and tell me which order you visibly see then you can comprehend the scale of the problem.
A word of caution to our churchgoing brethren its what you do in the privacy of your soul that really matters this is the building not made with hands


5.My reference to the judgement of james in the Acts of apostles was purely to show that even the church elders could not choose and pick as you say they belived in the necessity of the law for reproof and instructions in rightousness and hoped that in time the gentiles would see the necessity as well and fufull all that was required. If I remember correctly your words inspired by the raouch qoudesh, holy spirit you said 'as the spirit leads'

Will the spirit lead one to diobidience or lawlessness? by qouting from the law to resolve the issue james and the elders at once showed thier respect for the commandments of the most high god not choosing or picking but through the inspiration of christ upholding the law and through faith in christ obtaining salvation,doing Christlike works no gossip, anger,malice,sadness,unfruitfull lusts.

Daily dying to somthing contrary to the spirit and through that longsuffering obtaining the promise. (no be step by step my brother?)


7.Worship the farther in spirit (faith) and truth (law bible) can you have one and leave the other I think not. the abscence of law means there is no sin and the last I checked the world was rolling in sin.

In response to candour please read math 5 with emphasis on verse 17-19 these are the words of christ
1. The whole sermon on the mount (math 5-7) is pure law (deutronomy) repeated for your benefit Yashua son of joseph quoted from deutronomy more than any other book in the torah.
2. The future kingdom of christ will be based on this same constitution (Law)
3. With the change of the priesthood came the change in the accepted sacrifice which in the spirit of christ should be yourself (selfsacrifice)Heb 7:12 ceremonial law. What happens to the moral and civil guidance in the kingdom age do you plan to write your own law?
4. Yashua son of joseph fufilled the law to the letter john 8:46, just so you could do the same as a desciple and not come 2000yrs later and say there is no need?
5.When James was saked to give a final settlement to the question of fufilling torah law as regarding the gentiles acts 15: 19-20 the book of deutronomy (book of the law) was still his reference (abstain from things strangled,from blood,from fornication and pollutions of idols) why are you trying to fufill otherwise
6. From within the 613 instances of though shalt not and thou shalt within the old testament which one you wan remove or keep. Is this what Yashua ben joseph has taught you presonally or what the the devil is trying to push on the world.
7.Paul speaks of the lawless man in 2nd thess chapter 2 what makes him lawless what laws has he abandond still knowing the truth.The debate between “law versus grace,” is actually a debate between “law versus lawlessness. Are you a lawless man?

Finally please endevour to quote christ on this issue as much as possible if he is truly your master.

Peace and love!

The bible in lev 12 prescribes 40 days if the child is a male and and 80 days for a female child

Give thanks.