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"His purpose was not the eliminating the law . But rather he is the fulfillment of what the law foreshadow . That means when the real comes the shadow automatically goes. You may enjoy the aroma of a food but when the food finally comes ,you don't need the aroma again. The food didnt come to kill the aroma . The food just takes its rightful place . And by that the aroma is layer aside."


LET US BE CAREFULL LEST WE EXHIBIT LAWLESSNESS!!

JOAGBAJE YOU NEVER ANSWERD US YET, ARE YOU CIRCUMSCISED IN THE FLESH OF YOUR FORESKIN AND WHAT ABOUT YOUR CHILDREN?

THE ONLY PERSON THAT HAD AN ISSUE WITH THE INSTRUCTIONS AND TEACHINGS (LAW) is NONE OTHER THAN APOSTLE PAUL

YASHUA BEN JOSEPH AND ALL HIS DESCIPLES OBSERVED THE LAW TO THE END BUT YOU SAY IT WAS ALL A GUISE TO WIN SOULS.


EVEN WHEN IT IS APPARENT THAT THEY OBEYD OUT OF HUMILITY YOU SAY THEY WERE NOT OBLIGATED UNTO THE MOST HIGH, AND COULD CHOOSE TO BE LAWLESS WHENEVER THOSE CHOSE TO

cHRIST OBSERVED THE PASSOVER

IT IS WRITTEN THAT THE PASSOVER IS AN ORDINANCE FOREVER

ALL BIBLE SCHOLARS AGREE THAT THE PASSOVER IS OBSERVED IN THE FUTURE KINGDOM, is passover not part of the law

peace love and joy!!!

1. ''Jesus was born under the law. Certain things were customary and part of the life they lived . But he was not under obligation to the law . He rather came with a higher law.''

If this is true then how come he is teaching the multitudes pure LAW on the mount? joabgaje reason this critically o!


Are you saying he is constant reference to the LAW on the mount was only a guise?

2. ''The law of the sabbath was not binding on him. He spoke for himself.''


JOAGBAJE what is the LAWLESS man LAWLESS about 2 thess 2?? pls educate us.

Can you please educate us on what laws if any were binding on Yashua son of joseph?

Joagbaje There is no law without sin and vice versa

Are you saying in the time of yashua or even now there is no sin in the world?

Is it not from the same LAW you disregard that we are to get insrtuctions in rightousness and obtain reproof?

I have asked before now are you saying yashua is the LAWLESS man of 2 thess 2?

Looks like you have forgotten the instructions of the most high and are following the doctines of MEN


JOAGBAJE WHAT IS THE (CONSTITUTION) OF THE 1000YR KINGDOM OF CHRIST??


peace love and joy

[quote author=christemmbassey]When Christ said i did not come to abolish the law but to fulfill it....., he meant that he came to rap up the old dispensation so that it could be set aside for the new one to begin. That was why he came in a canal form so that everything flesh should be concluded for the spiritual to take over. Plz read Rm 8:1-11[/quote

Why are you misinterpreting the words of the master

This is your interpretation and it is false

How do you fufill somthing by setting it aside (your own words)

The book of hebrews specifically states that it was the type of sacrifice that had changed hence the priesthood was changed.

In the bible we can see clearly that we have the law of sacrifices then the instructions and teachings

Are you saying the insrtuctions and teachings are no more? you lie!!


My brethren it is simple english with a literal explanation


1. To Abolish is to do away with

2. To fufill is to confirm


peace love and joy!!!!

We give thanks for all participation.

Joagbaje I can see that you have finally come to a halt, it was good reasoning with you.


Peace love and joy!!!

Anikulapo

Thank you for your commentry very on point

remain blessed


Peace love and joy!!!

greetings Brethren,

We all know from factual history that napoleone Bonaparte commissioned numerous paintings of yashua with white skin blond hair and blue eyes.

Thinking to uproot us from our roots, how come we have in our cultures today without any viable explanation

Circumcision eight days after the birth of a male child
Observance of some kosher dietary laws
Separation of men and women during menstruation
The celebration of holidays such as Yom Kippur, Rosh Hashanah, Sukkot and Passover.

In the eastern orthodoxy the paintings of the madonna and child are in pitch black, go figure.
Since Ham and shem have intermaried for such a long time one can say that we africans are a hamito semitic peoples (yoruba+hausa) as an example

Those in the northerly regions are most times often fairer with more european features because of the exposure to edomite influences and mixture

From the bible we can see that God is black, this is also confirmed by genetics

Check am now, if all races were allowed to intermarry the who world will be black because black is the dominant gene and white is recessive.

in other words a mixture of dudu with any other race on earth will ultimately give you a mixed colour (dudu) child this is confirmed by eugenics and genetics.

Peace love and joy!!!

Joagbaje pls

1. Can I have your commentry on math 5:17 it is way overdue

2. Also you have not answerd my VERY DIRECT question. WHAT IS THE SYSTEM OF GOVERNANCE OF THE 1000YR KINGDOM OF CHRIS

Peace love and joy!!!

Joagbaje you say christ broke the law, but I say he was blameless and obeyed the law to the very end this is expressly confirmed by scripture (all of yashua's actions)

Not only are you ignoring his obviouse actions you are also PRESUMING to know why he is acting the way he is (a dangerouse stance)

The people followed him everywhere, remember the sermon on the mount? so if he wanted he could have set up his own synagouge to enable him evangelise more quickly and broadly. abi how you see am?

I dont think so, as we can see by his actions that he chose to obey the set down establishement the only difference being the type of sacrifce offerd

Joagbaje so

1. If a man Harvests food to eat from his garden on the sabbath he has sinned?

2. A doctor heals a sick person on the sabbath he has sinned?

3.being lord of the sabbath means to disregards the sabbath?

Before you answer remember these were the interpretations the pharasees used in thier korban judgments


Peace love and joy!!!

Good

So what will be the system of governance?

peace love and joy!!!

Joagbaje!!!

The holy spirit cannot contradict but only agree

It was Yeshua's custom or practice to attend the synagogue services on the Sabbath day, as the four gospels point out.

Mark 1:21, "they went into Capernaum; and (straightway!!) on the SABBATH DAY he entered into the synagogue

Yeshua preached in the synagogues in towns throughout Galilee -- see Mark 1:38-39. always on the sabbath

was this a guise also as you have implied before regarding pauls actions?

was he just pretending to observe so he could have access to them on the rest day?

Or was he fufilling all as was declared in math 5:17?

I know Yashua as a torah loving jew observing the law to the letter.

Jhn 8:46 Which of you convinceth me of sin? Joagbaje last time I checked SIN was a contravening of the LAW so from the above verse it is clear that none of the pastors could condemn him of contravening the LAW.

He obeyed the law to the letter for our salvation that we might do as he did also. showing us by his actions that self sacrifice was the greatest gift any man could give his brethren

What are you prepared to do?

Surely Yashua cannot be the lawless man you are making him out to be 2 thess 2.

why do you keep on calling yashua a pretender, did he not compell you to do as I do.

why would one need to pretend to win souls?

Do you light a candle and put it under a bucket?


Some time later Yeshua and his disciples went through the cornfields on the Sabbath day (Mark 2:23) and were accused by the Pharisees of breaking the Sabbath by plucking ears of corn to eat.

Is plucking corn to eat a comercial endevour? the pastors were completely off point here, but as usual yashua still takes the time to teach them the deeper principles.


In reply, Yeshua showed the Pharisees how to observe the Sabbath by saying: " The sabbath was MADE FOR MAN, and not man for the sabbath: Therefore the Son of man is Lord also of the sabbath" (Mark 2:27-28).

Joagbaje where in the above statement did yashua say not to observe the sabbath?

He only convicts you the more by saying IT WAS MADE FOR A PURPOSE!!

For MAN!!

Does The sabbath BEING MADE FOR MAN MEAN MAN SHOULD DO AWAY WITH THE SABBATH? And probably create his own rest day.

Yashau does not disregard the sabbath as you claim he only lays more emphasis on it by saying he is lord of it.He also validates it by obeying it

Peace love and joy!!!

Joagbaje

1. There is no compromise (middle ground) in the kingdom of heaven, 2 men 2 ways 2 destinies psalm 1

2. would you compromise you strong personal views just to achieve some good?

3. you say Jesus will reign in David throne for a thousand years. is this a literal earthly throne (kingdom)? just like the other monarchies of the world.


Peace love and joy!!

Thank you Brethren, but you still have not answerd the question.

What is the constitution of the future earthly davidic kingdom? in other words what will be the system of governance in this kingdom

will it be Democracy, communism, facism, ......

peace love and joy!!

Brethren pls yashas words are in plain english abi?

If you were to open up any book of definitions (dictionary) for example the definition for jew and christian would be completely different wether carnal or spiritual.

And thier ways of life completely different.

you cannot change a jew to a christian by just wishing it

what do you think?

Mat 15:7 [Ye] hypocrites, well did Esaias prophesy of you, saying,
Mat 15:8 This people draweth nigh unto me with their mouth, and honoureth me with [their] lips; but their heart is far from me.
Mat 15:9 But in vain they do worship me, teaching [for] doctrines the commandments of men.

Peace love and joy!!!!

As I remember corretly the first psalm indicates that there are only 2 men 2 ways and 2 destinies there is no middle ground with God.

Rev 3:15 I know thy works, that thou art neither cold nor hot: I would thou wert cold or hot.
Rev 3:16 So then because thou art lukewarm, and neither cold nor hot, I will spue thee out of my mouth

Which would you rather be jew or gentile or a mixture of both (christian possibly)

Also how do you explain the reference to JEWS in the verse below

Rev 2:9 I know thy works, and tribulation, and poverty, (but thou art rich) and [I know] the blasphemy of them which say they are Jews, and are not, but [are] the synagogue of Satan.

Peace Love And joy!!!

1. With reference to romans 1:16 why the jew first why not the gentile first and why the distinction between jew first and then gentile

after all a gentile is technically an unbeliver?

Does a gentile not need to be a believer to obtain salvation

2. john 10:16 if isreal reborn is to be one nation under God what is the constitution of this nation?

is it based on jewish law or christian law kind of tricky isnt it?

There are many references to yashua ibn joseph's views on the jews and salvation.


Peace love and joy!!!

1. If christ is a jew and lived the life of a jew as we see in the scriptures and you are a christian are you really on the same path as the master?
2. How do you reconcile the contradictions between the way of life of the master and his followers today?
3. correct me if I am wrong but the sermon on the mount though meant for all true belivers was given to a predominantly jewish audience hence the constant reference to the books of torah with great emphasis on deutronomy (the reminding of the LAW)

If a jewish man is talking to a jewish people about a jewish way of life then how does christianity fit in if prophetically in the Kingdom age we will be living the same way of life AS THE JEW OR BETTER SAID ISREALITE?

Peace,love and joy!!!

The kingdom of heaven which is christ's kingdom that we are all praying to see, is jewish in character and constitution this is expressly declared in all of scripture.

If that kingdom will be governed by old testament LAWS as we have confirmed by scipture at what point do we make the transition?

Will this transition be on a personal or national level?

Like one of The brethren asked me on another posting (why not wait until the kingdom come before you start living like that?)

Is this the right answer?

I hope it is clearer now



Peace love and joy

All Hail Joagbaje the wise!!!


Peace love and Joy!!

Goshen

The head of the woman is the man hence if the woman physically exposes her hair or head or crown as I like to call it in the prescence of elders or those not intimate with her such as husband or children when speaking about the holy spirit she has exposed her husband.

In the old world amongst most religions and even now in certain cultures such as sikh,muslim or rasta we see them tying turbans.A womans hair has always been deemed a most intimate part just like the nether regions.

A womans crown exposed in the wrong settings gives her a different aura is more revealing and some might even say sensual

Weras a mans head exposed in the right settings gives immense spiritual power.

Biblically we can see that if a woman was talking God matter or breaking bread as I like to call it with other spirit filled people and her crown was open the elders would immidiately deduce she was spiritually immature and hence open to spiritual attack.
Now correct me if I am wrong but if your wife is open to spitual attack are you not being attacked also

A man must not prophesy and have his head coverd seeing he is the express image of christ.

Christ is the head of man so a man with head uncoverd is the express image of christ

there are very few industries that do research like the movie industry (Hollywood), and even though somtimes they hide some the truth they usually reveal a lot.

Can you remember ever watching a movie about yashua and the apostles and seeing thier heads uncoverd or thier faces clean shaven?

Or the women or the priests uncovering thier heads whan in public places?

If you are a nazerite as yashua son of joseph is, it would be disrepectfull unto yashau to have your head coverd while speaking about him, seeing that he is your head crown or glory.

Why would you not want to identify yourself with whom you are talking about?

all nazarites look the same with uncoverd head as they are dreadlocked this is why judas had to kiss him in the garden to identify to the police which one was the master amongsts them.

In other words you should identify with whom you are speaking of when in the spirit

The head of christ is God.

seeing christ in an intimate setting such as at home or in the upper chamber at the passover feast or in the garden of gesthamane you would be seeing his express glory the true image of God, God face to face

Joagbaje

Guise: An external form, appearance, or manner of presentation, typically concealing the true nature of something.

So in other words you are saying paul was a hypocryte and and your intrepretation of 1 chor 9 in the context you are presenting
suggests that he was schtzophrenic and had mutiple personalities in other words a madman.

So because paul dey live inside gentile home he wont observe the sabbath or obey the holy instructions in the bible he will become a pagan to win them to christ?


On the contrary i think he would continue his way of life but would not condemn them for not doing the same remember he said (do as i do).

It is obviouse from all his teachings that condemnation was not his agenda but rather Hope that ultimately through the love of christ they would come to the same conclusion and live the way of the jew as well.


joagbaje as you well know all churches have thier own rules and regulations in other words LAW!Issiah called it the doctrines of men!!! so Imagine this scenario

Pastor: Joagbaje why didnt you come for the fire catch them deliverance service on thursday?

Joagbaje: sorry pastor i was indisposed

Pastor: you know you have to observe this programm punctually to the end, most especially since you are an elder in the church

Also i noticed you have not paid your thithes for some time now you know what the bible says about tith offering

Joagbaje: Yes pastor i know i will make restitution as soon as i can.


What has just happened here is that the Pharasee (pastor) has layed a heavy burden on the shoulders of one of his flock forgeting the first works (mercy,peace love,justice...) and using the law as a tool to convict in other words a peversion of the law.

This is what paul was fighting against Joagbaje. a pervertion of the law and not the law itself.

Peace love and joy!!!

HumbledbYGrace all the nazarites john the bapitst, yashua son of joseph, samsom, sameul,joseph.... in the bible kept log hair are they a disgrace to us??

Joagbaje

yashua son of joseph has already convicted you by saying salvation is of the jews pls note

Paul performed the highest jewish rites (vow of the nazerite) just like yashua his master and john also who practiced ritual purification by water, which is normally performed at the completion of the vow.

Joagbaje Paul was not a christian he was a fully practicing jew.

Act 18:18 ¶ And Paul [after this] tarried [there] yet a good while, and then took his leave of the brethren, and sailed thence into Syria, and with him Priscilla and Aquila; having (shorn) [his] head in Cenchrea: for he had a (VOW).

Here also he is accused as being a ringleader of the nazarites because of his afilliation with the other elders in council. so at a glance you can see that they were not of the order of levi
Act 24:5 For we have found this man [a] pestilent [fellow], and a mover of sedition among all the Jews throughout the world, and a ringleader of the sect of the Nazarenes:

But of the order of Melchizedek (Nazerite order)


You say paul says no need for the Law how come then he is fufilling the highest vow in all of jewish tradition?

paul says do as I do from you qoutation of 1 chor are you doing as paul is doing, talk less of even yashua son of joseph

everybody is focusing on he pointing finger and not where the finger is pointing, I think that was Ghandi not sure.....


Peace love and joy!!!

Joagbaje: in response to your reference to 1 chor 4:15 paul is telling you to do as he does.

Pls can you tell me if that would mean do as christ is doing

Pls joagbaje english is a simple language paul and peter no get thier own church.

its just like when you tell someone uncounciuosly pls come to my church subconcuisly you are asserting some form of interdenominational spirit.

You have no church my brother christ is the true church.

Joagbaje we are here breaking bread that is all that matters.

Why must you objectify me as anything?

Will putting a label on me make you better understand the words spoken?

I only referenced The prohpet Mohammed to try and show another parallel where the relashionship between master and desciple is personal, in all religions the desciple is expected to copy the masters actions on point.

I could have referenced Buddah as well.

My words have been the the words of christ from the moment we began breaking bread so at least you have and idea who I serve

Interestingly enough you seem more like a desciple of paul from all words spoken


Peace love and joy!!!

when you say (They tried to put their doctrine on him and he didn't buy it. Not eating unclean meat etc. his attitude after the conference shows they didn't add anything to his doctrine) one can only deduce the following.

1.It is once again clear that in the spirit you cannot comprehend what you are saying, yashua son of joseph obeyd no man made doctrines only the inspired word of God.
Joagbaje

2. At least by your mouth you confess that paul had his own doctrines.

3. you are completely fixated on paul and not yashua, hence your constant reference to his words which only bring more conradictions to the words of christ

4. If you had quoted yashua as much then you would have been convicted lang time ago

5. Is your penis circumsised and if so why? since paul says there is no need.


Peace love and joy!!!!

Did yashua son of joseph not observe the feasts and all his desciples also? I thought that would be enough for any true beleiver

are you looking for particular verses where they tell you you must do as I do?

Abi no be do as I do again? correct me if iam wrong.

why are you looking for what does not exist?

Is Yashua son of joseph not your Glory?

Your glory is all you want to be isnt it?

pls correct me if I am wrong


Peace love and joy!!

Joagbaje your response is really appreciated but..

If you were to open up any book of definitions (dictionary) for example the definition for jew and christian would be completely different wether carnal or spiritual.

And thier ways of life completely different.

you cannot change a jew to a christian by just wishing it

what do you think?

Also a true beliver in prophet mohammed would try as much as possible to live exactly as prophet mohammed did hence my reference to way of life (spirituality).

Mat 15:7 [Ye] hypocrites, well did Esaias prophesy of you, saying,
Mat 15:8 This people draweth nigh unto me with their mouth, and honoureth me with [their] lips; but their heart is far from me.
Mat 15:9 But in vain they do worship me, teaching [for] doctrines the commandments of men.


Peace love and joy!!!!

Ubenedictus your difference is noted but pls remember that
1. It was by political action (Beast action) and not any inspiration by the holy spirit that the followers of christ were prohibited from juedizing pls note
Dan 7:25-
And he shall speak great words against the most High,
and shall wear out the saints of the most High,
and think to change (Times and Laws): [of the most High God]... is this not the lawless man of 2thess 2 what is he lawless about? what laws and times has he changed? could it be sunday instead of saturday rest or easter in place of passover?

pls note

Canon Laws of the Council of Laodicea (343-381?) enforced by a ogogoro drinking warlord (constantine) and his plebs in council.
Can. 29. “Christians shall not Judaize and be idle on Saturday, but shall work on that day; but the Lord’s day they shall especially honor, and, as being Christians, shall, if possible, do no work on that day. If, however, they are found Judaizing, they shall be shut out [Greek anathema] from Christ.” …
If the original Apostles had kept Sunday sacred, there would have been no need for emperial laws to change an ancient custom. The very existence of this Canon declarations concerning Sunday reinforce the fact that it was a new and not original practice, hence we see the lawless man clearly
revealed changing Gods laws as prophesised.

The changes made by this council caused a big rift between eastern and western christianity till today as the easterners understood the sacredness of the torah observances and still observe them till today.

When these changes were made all the wise men against were either put to death and those that escaped fled to egypt and ethiopia (oriental orthodoxy)

2. The apostles and yashua the master observed the sabbath jewish rest day as the most high ordained and nowhere in the whole of scripture did they categorically tell you not to do the same
3. the apostles and yashua the master observed the passover holy day which we are compelled as the scripture says to observe forever in our dwellings and nowhere in the whole of scripture did they categorically tell you not to do the same
4. The apostles and yashua observed the feast of tebernacles and nowhere in the whole of scripture did they categorically tell you not to do the same

and even when the issue between paul and peter was settled by James the just it was still the Law torah that was used to settle the matter.... do not eat things strangled and food offerd to idols, do christians observe these restrictions?

Also

why are you qouting paul why not quote your master yashua son of joseph opinion on this matter John 4:22

regarding the apostles and the offices i would like to think that they took time off from family and work to distribute food and clothing remember food and clothing not mammon to the sick and needy this is truly an elevated office for the servant is the true master in disguise.

But here we have a situation where not only is the office holder collecting from you he is also telling you how to live you life

Finally I live the way of the jew,

so does that make me a jew?

you tell me...

Also please read about about the quatrodecimans there are millions of christians on earth that are called judeo christian because of thier way of life, they love christ live as christians but also uphold the (teachings and instruction) often mistranslated as LAW apart from the blood sacrifices, this is the main theme of the book of hebrews

New priesthood= New Sacrifice but not a complete abolition of the teachings and instructions (LAW)

salvation in christ but teachings and instructions for reproof and instructions in rightousness, you cannot have one without the other

paul was fighting against those that would use the law to enslave thier brethren sound familiar

The master says for these words you have spoken I should put you under my feet john 4:22, because grace abound does not mean we should take the most high for granted.



Peace love and joy!!!!

It all started after the apostles had all been killed off by the children of satan.

Before that christ body was one, also note they all lived the way of the torah (jew) and not christian which is a new but temporary creation

The Nicolatians: Nico is the bird that sits in the hand of the greek god zeus when you see his statue in his temple, nico represents victory

Latians also translated means people

so with the nicolatians we have victory over the people.Now the sin of the nicolatians which the farther hates was the division of the body through the creation of the special ones (clergy) and the expendable masses (laity). please always note with great care when the holy spirit uses the word hate

This heiriachial system has only one purpose, the complete mind controll of its victims hence the doctrines of men and no spirituality what happened to the fist works?

All you ever hear is My pastor or assistant pastor and holy mother even those in the choir will think themselves in a better position salvation wise, all this separation for what

Did yashua not sit on the mount with them on the same level why is there an elevated area within the synagoug and why have you allowed yourself to be overruled

Looks like the devils old trick divide and rule. laity and clergy

Nowhere is scripture is this separation ordained.
They proffessed to be jews but lived a contrary way of life with new man made doctrines

Prophetically we had a warning about this as soon as the elders noticed the trend arising pls note

Hbr 10:24 And let us consider one another to provoke unto love and to good works:
Hbr 10:25 Not (forsaking the assembling of ourselves together), as the manner of some [is]; but exhorting [one another]: and so much the more, as ye see the day approaching.

So here now in the far future we have the the situation as described olukoyas fans forsaking tb josha and tb joshuas fans forsaking oyedepo

The same hieriachial system that christ came to destroy has risen its ugly head again, but like we said it was prophesised.

Most bible scholars agree that apostate christendom will be completely destroyed by the beast (political power structure) so that the beast is worshiped as all in all.

You can see the signs of this happening alraedy as guns and other spiritually violent forms are slowly being brought into the so called house of god for protection


This same power structure is what martin fought over with the release of his thesis as to why the pope is satan. because of this revelation at a time of proper darkness the protestant church was born, prosteting fully but still unable to free the itself from traditions and doctrines covering a millenia. (it was called the dark ages 1260 yrs of the papal reign until napoleone bonaparte)

such traditions include sunday worship as opposed to sabbath rest, observance of pagan feast days as opposed to jewish holy days etc

If he is bringing them into his flock does the flock now turn completely gentile or jew or maybe a mixture of both pls just another simple question.

As I remember corretly the first psalm indicates that there are only 2 men 2 ways and 2 destinies there is no middle ground with God.

Rev 3:15 I know thy works, that thou art neither cold nor hot: I would thou wert cold or hot.
Rev 3:16 So then because thou art lukewarm, and neither cold nor hot, I will spue thee out of my mouth

Which would you rather be jew or gentile or a mixture of both (christian possibly)

Also how do you explain the reference to JEWS in the verse below

Rev 2:9 I know thy works, and tribulation, and poverty, (but thou art rich) and [I know] the blasphemy of them which say they are Jews, and are not, but [are] the synagogue of Satan.

Peace Love And joy!!!

When yashua son of joseph comes back in glory would that be considerd as reincarnation?

Reincarnation is inherently in african culture and also biblically supported as we can see from the bible and history.

Mat 17:10 And his disciples asked him, saying, Why then say the scribes that Elias must first come?


Mat 17:11 And Jesus answered and said unto them, Elias truly shall first come, and restore all things.


Mat 17:12 But I say unto you, That Elias is come already, and they knew him not, but have done unto him whatsoever they listed. Likewise shall also the Son of man suffer of them.


Mat 17:13 Then the disciples understood that he spake unto them of John the Baptist.


Most followers today cannot comprehend such arhcetypes and hence these truths stay supressed within the subconcouse mind