Untainted007: God bless you my brother, I'm impressed cos u wrote what's in my mind out. Churches hardly give out but takes from the people. I'm a RCCG member and even at that they do hold house fellowship in my apartment. Do u knw there is a brilliant teenager in my house fellowship whose parents could not afford to pay for his senior secondary school fees and we approached the church to assist even if its from the offering we return back to the church so the working class among us in the center can add to whatever the church gives. Do you knw the people in charge of welfare in church has been posting us here and there, giving us flimsy excuses since last year till date.
Ask the same house fellowship people using your house for free to pay rent and watch them tag you antichrist. Meanwhile, they collect offerings in but won't pay rent.
My brother, go to Ikeja General Hospital and see the number of RCCG members there unable to pay their hospital bills, waiting for divine intervention.
Emmacolinho: Make proper research and stop being as clueless as the president. I work with the accounting department of Africa Missions and i know how the money comes in and how it is spent. Africa Missions is not the only project handled by the RCCG and it has an official account which even Mummy G.O is not a signatory to she is the visionaire and not the dictator. My friend if you are confused, the Mission has a website where you can see and get all the information you need from. Secondly, lands are not sold in the Redemption Camp!!! It's given based on certain terms that if you ain't cool with, you can back off
Which clueless President?
Wasn't your Pastor one of those who endorsed him before millions of Nigerians? Or the Holy Spirit didn't show him the coming disaster then?
Look here my friend, I'm going to talk to you as my blood brother. These guys don't care about you.
When Mrs Dorcas an ordained RCCG Deaconess was murdered in Abuja while preaching early in the morning, Pastor Adeboye kept shut.
Fulani herdsmen are sacking and killing people, he's using quadratic equations to address the matter.
However, when the Financial Reporting Council of Nigeria stipulated that Trustees of NGOs retire after 20 years, Pastor Adeoye didn't ask us to fast and pray. He came put straight and hammered the act of the FRCN as an affront on the church by the FG.
Use your tongue to count your teeth, it would tell you where you stand in the scheme of things.
Untainted007: No one is arguing if its free or not but even the process of getting the land is limited to some calibers of members. Anyway, I'm not here to judge anyone but I'm sure that God will be use hours judging some peoples' case on the last day while some people case will just be in seconds.
Lmaooooo
It's very painful the things some of our pastors do to us.
Honestly, I'm not a Saint or a pastor but I can't collect a dead man's property from his children because they don't attend my church.
bukatyne: . However, I have not heard a parish pastor having the money to himself or been loaned the logo or members of the church. The pastors account for the last farthing they spend and some have to use their personal funds to run the church. Neither have I heard that properties bought in RCCG camp are confiscated after a pastor resigns.
Properties acquired in Redemption Camp can be lost in 3 ways: A. The owner is a Pastor and he resigns and quits RCCG. B. The owner is a registered member and he leaves RCCG. C. The owners dies and none of his children attends RCCG. The property automatically belongs to RCCG.
As for the logo and name, the model is a franchise model. The HQ contributes nothing when the local parish is being set up but when the local parish collects tithes and offerings, 70% goes to the HQ.
The only thing contributed by the HQ is the authority to use the RCCG logo and name to operate the local parish and collect offerings from members.
1. How long was he pastor in RCCG? 2. Since he said the pastors own their parishes, how much did he make while he was there? 3. Since he said the 20-30% returns on tithe is meant for the pastors who own the parishes, how were they running the parishes in terms of recurrent expenses?
The pastor needs to come out with whole truth instead of concealing some information to deceive the unsuspecting public.
You dont need to call a dog a bad name to kill it.
God is the Judge!
My friend, stop defending those who don't care about you. It's all a pot of soup for the leadership.
See his son giving an insight into how their leaders consider the membership and church. It's a business enterprise and you members are merely cows to be milked.
jidemoh: [Ask whoever gave you the information how much he/she paid for the land he/she built on. The land is given free and the law is very clear about land ownership. Besides, the property in question is properly valued and adequate compensation is given.
quote author=Untainted007 post=66790979]That is the reason Jesus said judgement will start from churches 1 Peter 4 vs 17 and I cor 5 vs 12. I wonder the kind of sermon Pastors preach to the congregation when at the end everything is centered around money, why not leave the preaching and focus on asking of money.
HE IS RIGHT ABOUT THIS I HAVE CONFIRMED IT BEFORE WHEN CONSIDERING ACQUIRING A PROPERTY IN THE REDEMPTION CAMP. I WAS FROM A RELIABLE SOURCE THAT IS YOU DESIST TO GO TO RCCG YOUR PROPERTY WILL BE BOUGHT BY THE CHURCH AT SOME KIND OF AMOUNT THAT MY NOT WORTH THE ORIGINAL COST.
If someone buys a land in Redemption Camp and builds on it, if that person dies and none of his children attends RCCG, such property automatically belongs to the Church.
I think there's some elements of truth in what this Pastor is saying. I have heard about what that man said about RCCG running the church as a franchise business enterprise.
When Freeze raised the issue of tithing and RCCG, Pastor Adeboye's son came out to tweet that there was more income and profit as a result of Freeze's issues.
Also, this same RCCG forbade downloading and photocopying Open Heaven devotionals for personal use, insisting that it must be bought from the Church.
Honestly, the focus of the Church in Nigeria has shifted and the earlier we find God for ourselves the better.
He's in school but should be in a different kind of school.
Forget algebra and complex mathematics, that guy's artistic talent should be carefully polished and he'll go far in life, farther than wherever mathematics could have taken him.
NonsoWow: Check well. I am not sure she is an Anambra indigene. She may likely be a wawa from enugu that Anambra people usually employ as labourers in our farms, which is why the Nteje people are not raising hell over her murder. If she were an indigene, I am sure that all hell would have broken loose by now. Anyway, may she R.I.P.
farem: Dey there Mr accuser. Long when the devil - main Accuser has lost the battle of constant reporting of some Christians that Christ shed his Blood for,, you are unfortunately, still keeping their sins in your nonsense 100gig flash drive hanging on your neck while moving about. Continue!
Kophschmerzen: The Anglican church support gay marriage and have gay bishops, how will the anti gay Nigerian new partners work with folks they already condemned to Hades.
The Church of England (Anglican Communion) supports gay marriages and that was what made the Nigerian Anglican Church and the North American Anglicans break away.
The same Church of England ordaining gay bishops is now going into merger and partnerships with RCCG to win souls?
Well, I guess RCCG is about to have gay pastors and deacons leading its parishes.
calddon: Is not even beta country their taking dem to its Niger�
Actually, Niger is a transit country in the illegal migration journey to Europe.
Nigeria to Niger. Niger to Agadez. Agadez route into the deserts of Libya. Libya into boats across the Mediterranean. Landing points are the shores of Italy.
Out of the 23 that were to be trafficked from Nigeria, around 8-10 of them would arrive Italy alive.
FortifiedCity: To me it's a call for disagreement and a very dilapidated house. The most peaceful way is to let the first son take the property. It will make the others hustle.
You want the other kids to use the first son as shooting practice?
Just like Buhari's cows that have been 150 since the time of Judas Iscariot. They have not increased or reduced.
The almajiri economics practiced by Buhari and his co-travellers in economic illiteracy fails to take into account the higher cost of manufacturing, higher tariffs on imports, multiple taxation by governments and it's impact on retrenchment and layoffs.
Most of the people in Buhari's cabinet have never run profitable enterprises. Running this country is their first attempt at running anything and they sure are running it aground.
Spidermon: Do you have a single digit IQ or is your problem limited to reading and understanding English? Does it look like I support Buhari?
Obviously, my post is above your IQ. Give my post to someone with an IQ higher than yours to break it down to your level so that you stop advertising your ignorance online.
Spidermon: Let us stop thinking like that. Buhari is also an ex Nigerian General and we can all see now that he isnt that intelligent. These people are playing a high stakes chess game and all we are to them are pawns. You think Danjuma cares about the herdsmen killings?
Keep deceiving yourself.
Buhari's wife has complained about his atrocious leadership. Buhari's own daughter has lamented her father's worthless government.
Keep cooking up ridiculous conjectures that even an !mbecile won't believe.
ItsMeAboki: My friend, wake up and smell the coffee, you have been brainwashed with a one sided story for far too long; its time you open your eyes to the true realities on the ground and therefore stop masturbating over politically motivated bigotry and propaganda, using the Fulanis as scapegoats to achieve the agenda of a corrupt cabal who have been holding Nigeria and Nigerians in ransom and in bondage respectively.
First of all, it is better you understand where General Danjuma was coming from when he was making that statement; he is one from those cabals who profited immensely from the past military's corruption (oil bloc allocations etc) with an interest to protect, as the noose of the ongoing anti corruption war is tightening around their necks; they have therefore ganged up and being spear headed by Obasanjo to unseat the Buhari administration in order to save their fat necks - they are not doing this for Nigerians but for themselves; they have unfortunately found some gullible fools to do their biddings and even more gullible audiences being easily deceived by their hidden agenda.
As far as Taraba is concerned; it is the Fulani at the receiving end, where envy and hatred is the motivation behind their massacre by a State Government sponsored ethnic cleansing, headed by the Governor Darius and his co-travellers, who included the Speaker, Mambilla LG Chairman and a certain militia leader who coordinates the killings.
The Fulanis are the unfortunate victims of the current political agenda to unseat the president, where defeated PDP big shots who own and control almost all the media houses in the country are deploying their outfits to maligned the Fulanis by amplifying their crimes, through one sided reporting and subsequently aligning them with the president in order to discredit him.
General Danjuma is a Christian from Taraba who has obviously also taken sides with other Mambilla tribes; he was speaking to the gallery, using the press to incite the ppl against the Fulani; even though we know his aim was to get at his ultimate target i.e. the president - those with intelligence would recognise this as one of the cabal's grand tactics.
Fortunatively, this time around the Mambilla Fulani had been able to put together their untold side of the story, in a 7 part documentary in youtube, called "Mambila Genocide"
Part 1. gave a general introduction to the background of the of the massacre.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xpfcJSNywZQ Part 2. was a first hand fact finding account of the extent of the casualties, by the Ag. GOC 3 Dvision NA Jos, Brig. Gen. Benjamin Ahanotu, where he was admonishing the local tribal leaders for turning a blind eye and doing absolutely nothing to stop/report the killings, which he described as a brutal genocide worse than Boko Haram (because BH do not kill women and children).
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vkd0Pb6LPyQ Part 3. uncovered the political plot to exterminate the Fulani from Mambila and the coordinators of the genocide including the complicity of the state government in the plot.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cZavQ6vyhaI&has_verified=1 Part 5. identified ten localities of Fulani villages/settlements in which the attacks took place, as well as identified the names of every individual and the location of his/her murder, reaching to a total of 720 killed.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_MTSj447daA Part 6. Covered military intervention as ordered by (the then Ag. President) Prof. Osibanjo, under the leadership of Brig. Gen. Benjamin Ahanotu Ag. GOC 3 Divisio NA, Jos, showing Fulani corpses, mass graves and bodies of cows killed along with gruesomely mutilated ones. It also covered interviews with some survivors who were able to positively identify and name their actual attackers - some of them actually known to them and yet not arrested.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HEMfLfn-DfQ Part 7 was a summary of outcome of the crisis, especially the complicity of the governor, his opposition to the military intervention to stop the killings and how the govt let off the principal coordinators i.e. Speaker (Abel Peter Diah), LGA Chairman (John ....?), militia head (Isa Sule Yambam) lightly as well as set all the arrested perpetrators free.
I hope this short piece may open some eyes to the ongoing politics of hatred, where the media is being used as a willing tool to re-shape public perception and opinion, along the well established religious and tribal fault lines. Ppl should therefore be more critical about the news they read or watch on TV - many are in fact quite unbalanced; in terms of the story itself, invited studio guests and the often loaded questions posed to them etc - e.g. it is now customary to casually pass most killings as carried out by SUSPECTED Fulani herdsmen without subsequent verification as to whether or not they were indeed done by herdsmen as alleged; subsequently the public are therefore subtly allowed to continue holding the Fulani responsible even if it would later prove otherwise.
I have just one question for you.
Has Mitetti Allah ever denied being behind the attacks?