₦airaland Forum

genieluv:
Holly I beg to disagree with you. English is a germanic language. It was simply a dialect of german that went through 'latin-ization' and 'celtic-ization' as the Anglo-saxons left the germanic speakers and mixed more with latin- derived languages speakers and celtic languages speakers. ***** I don't see how that was akin to 'pidginization' of the language.

>>>Pidgin evolves when non-natives of a language in an attempt to master the language adulterate it with influences from their original mother's tongues. The case with we Nigerians. Seems like you are Kenyan or Ghanaian?

i stated very clearly that English is a Germanic language!

Pidginization involves introduced words and alteration of grammar, let me illustrate.
English and German :
I am eating beef.
Ich esse rindfleisch.

The introduced word there is beef which is French in origin(boeuf in French ). The word Rindfleisch in German is literally "Cow flesh " .The French taught the English to assign new words for the flesh of different animals. Hence, pig meat (schweinfleisch) became pork, chicken meat became poultry and calf meat became venison.
The German grammar also doesn't include the verb 'to be'(which appears as am in the English sentence ) in expression of the simple act of eating the said meat. It would have been literally 'Ich bin esse rindfleisch', but somewhere along the way they must have dropped it.

Languages change their rules and add vocabulary all the time. No language has a monopoly on vocabulary, so borrowing is rife. Many a time languages have words that defy translation into another. Google the Portuguese word 'Saudade' and see what I mean.

Yes, kenyan.

TayserMahiri:
Did they go back after the initial migration, or just stuck their guts there .? I think their proper name is Tivi. Is there a Tivi nigerian to teach us some Tivi here, including how they call themselves? Besides, they must have lost much of their Bantu vocab by now and acquired others from their neighbors.

I think it's one of those academic terms like Niger - Congo, Congo - Benue, Nilo Saharan and the like. They must share some bantu elements though, since the cradle land of bantu peoples is in the region around the Cameroon /Nigeria border.

TayserMahiri:
Lol, okay.I know you are trolling abi? Could you be one of the rare West African Bantus?

There is a group of tribes in Nigeria and Cameroon called bantoid tribes. Tiv tribe from Nigeria is one of them.

bantudra:
am just saying your swablabla is a corrupted form of bantu language......dont you ask why you have traces of arabic and indian in it.....??..

English is at least 60% Latin derived , and at least 1/3 of vocabulary is derived from French, and French itself is mostly Latin derived. Yet its grammatical structure and syntax clearly makes it a Germanic language. So you see depending on how you see it English is pidgin French, Latin or German!!
Now tell me, why do Nigerians want to pidgin an already pidgined language? Isn't that language and cultural appropriation ?

TayserMahiri:
That should settle the debate on Swahili origins. Unless the likes of Bantudra want us to believe all Bantu languages are Arabic. Notice how all Bantu languages start with an 'i' sound before the name to imply language as opposed to people/ culture.. i.e KiSwahili, ChiShona, IsiZulu etc.

Some have -Lu as in Luganda or Lusoga, others have -eke as in ekeGusii, some have -se as in SeTswana or SeSotho so its kinda a mixed bag.
The guy has a problem whereby he wants to deny us agency, by claiming (ridiculously of course ) that our people's have no capacity for creation, hence the oyinbos or other lighter skinned person have done anything for us, including giving us language . If anything, we use an indigenous African tongue as a lingua franca, and not some corrupted version of an extra continental one. My bro, you have not studied Nigerian attitudes and opinions about other Africans at close range, like i have. If you get to meet and interract with them, you will be forewarned that you may plumb depths of ignorance about other Africans so deep and profound, you might drown. You already seen how he's lying about 'lion hunting' in Kenya by some 'German' tourist. He makes a claim, repeats it ad infinitum and tries to persuade us that it is true. We are told to accept his version of events by faith and nothing else. Just because he said so. No other details. We know of course sport hunting is illegal. If he has the cojones, he might give us the photo and provide incontrovertible proof that its in Kenya that this mythical lion hunter came to shoot lions. The only shooting of lions am aware of in Kenya is with a camera!

TayserMahiri:
This is true. I think Swahili is just too beautiful that some people are jealous
Swahili is a Bantu language with many borrowed words from Arabic. It existed long before the arrival of the first visitors on the East African coast who were Arabs.

The Swahili morphology is similar to that of other Bantu languages. For example, when constructing a syllable just like in all other Bantu languages there are six structures i.e.
(1) Consonant and vowel e.g. dada(sister)
(2) Syllables formed from vowels only e.g. oa(marry)
(3) Syllables formed from consonants only e.g. mtu(person)
(4) Syllables formed from more than one consonants and vowel e.g.ngoja (wait)
(5) Syllables formed from a consonant semi vowel and a vowel e.g. mwalimu (teacher)
(6) Syllables formed from two consonants a semi vowel and a vowel eg mbwa (dog)

Bantu languages have nouns that are grouped into different categories known as noun classes. These divisions are based on grammatical agreement in a sentence brought about by subject noun agreement; Swahili has noun classes which also rely on subject noun agreement.
Lastly, Swahili language has five vowels (a,e,i,o,u) just like other Bantu languages.

In fact, English is more Germanic than Swahili is Arabic.

Ahem! Thanks for that eloquent response. In fact, the West and their literary and media emissaries are the ones most responsible for spreading this nonsense about kiswahili being of Arabic or other non African origin. It is a language of a people who in the past traded alot with other regions of the world. Hence the inevitable borrowing of words. Malay language has a huge % of Arabic words in its vocabulary, you don't see Arabs forming superior? 1/3 of English is of French origin thanks to William the Conqueror ! Portuguese, French, Romanian and Spanish borrows so heavily from Latin, you don't hear Italians forming superior! Gullible ones like bantudra swallow anything from google, Wikipedia or CNN, hook, line and sinker.
In all its syntax, morphology, kiswahili is a Bantu language. It's the most prominent one, and is undoubtedly black Africa's most well known language.
Check out this comparison of kiswahili and chiShona (Zimbabwe's major language ):
Kiswahili. Shona. English
Ng'ombe. Mombe. Cow
Mbuzi. Mbudzi. Goat
Msichana. Msikana. Girl
Kuja. uya. to come
Mbwa. Imbwa. dog
tatu. tatu. three
lala. rara. to sleep
hapana. hapana. no
usiku. usiku. night

bantudra come to NL to learn about Africa!!!

alexxo11:
what makes me happy is that most of you nigerians in nigeria dont actually realise that you are arguing with your fellow nigerians who live in kenya...i mean some people like kenyanstar can speak better pidgin english than swahili...nobody speaks those wired swahili words that some of these wannabes write here .anyho bieng a kenyan who studied abroad and has come back home and lived with alot of nigerians let me sumarrise nigerians for all ye kenyans:

1)60% of nigerians have never seen a class room and make sure you get into an argument with a learned nigerian...the uneducated ones ...most argument turn into violence...even the simplest of arguments.

2)when it come to basic amenities eg food, drink, nigerians very generous..actually they get angry when they hear a fellow black man has not eaten all day and will do anything to make sure that you have eaten.

3)the igbo community has the most stummerers and the most drugdealers ...but in general nigerians and drugs are like teeth and saliva.

4)Nigerians fight to kill each other...unlike we kenyans we might fight to gain respect ...these people when they fight they will use anything they see on you ...i mean anything.

5)they will stand out for a black man nomatter what....one time in london i got racially abused and my nigerian brodas (i dint know them )stood up for me in the most of fiercest of ways.

6)they the noisiest.....even in the bus ...they will pick a call and talk as if they talking to someone on the next bus.

7)peeps from the state of edo have no regard for human life whatsoever...kenyans stay away from them.

Nigerians have no bro code....they can share a meal with you and the next minute steal from you ...they even dont trust each other.

9)they believe in fast money...to them all they talk is to "blow" (pidgin for made it) thats why drugs is the order of the day....

10)They will kill ,steal ,rape ,sell drugs ,traffick humans .....but at the end of the day they will always remember to pray...as funny as it sounds they beliver in that god regardlesss of their vices.

11)1 in every 10 nigerians smoke weed.

Free education for the uneducated! Lil bro, you should have given us a kasmall warning an titled this : A Functional Guide to the Nigerian for Primary Learners, Vol. 1 , Contents.

fanficgirl:
Does M7 stand for Yuremi Musevani?

yes, that is the internet abbreviation for him and he knows it. Very bad man with a very dark past.

Muafrika2:
Rwanda, Burundi, Congo

I always wondered what business Museveni had in DR Congo. Now I see. They would be here too.
They've been claiming most of Western Kenya. Where do the Baganda fall?

M7 and Kagame have murdered more than 5 million Africans in cold blood with their sick quest for domination and ethnic superiority ideology. It doesn't get mainstream press because they have the protection of the big western news misagencies who look the other way. I think if M7 tried his invasion nonsense on the western side of Kenya, he would meet an apocalypse of mega biblical proportions. He and his cohorts have been to Africa what Genghis Khan was to Asia and Eastern Europe: purveyors of Death and merchants of Destruction.

kikuyu1:
You're beginning to see Tutsis have been behind all the turmoil and mass death in the region. Do you know these delirious negroes actually tried to overthrow Moo in 97? There was a time they openly proclaimed he'd go but not by elections. In 98 around RPF agents were caught in a Riruta house by GSU Reece coy. Not one of them came out breathing!

ok, that's new to me about Riruta incident. Am not anti any ethnic group, but when somebody says that their group and only their group will rule till kingdom come, then that's a recipe for disaster. Just go through NL and see the Fulani attack threads and be very afraid and understand the reason behind it : feeling of ethnic superiority.

Nowenuse:
No, it's not like that.

Most states receive equal allocations from the FG, the cost it will take to build a road connecting 2 towns in Anambra state (South) for instance, is not the same cost it will take to do likewise in a state like Niger state (north) that is more than 10 times the size of Anambra state.

A school may be built in a rural community in a Southern state for instance and people from up to 3 neighbouring communities who have no schools yet can easily trekk a shorter distance to attend such a school, but in the north it is a different case, the nearest community to another might take a whole day or half a day journey on foot.
This completely discourages every dream of those from a community who has no school yet from going to school, hence increasing illiteracy in the north.

Hope you get the point?

Who runs the Federal roads in Nigeria? I read sometimes on NL that a state does a federal road and gets reimbursement from Abuja. Paint me a picture of how they organise roads in nigeria, coz that's a funny scenario if you ask me.

Muafrika2:
This is a tragedy.

Yup. This African traditional monarchy thing has a way of relegating normal and productive humans to a state of subservience and indignity, on account of their birth. Very sad.

Hbuyosh:
And the govt did little to nothing to develop that area, right? That is marginalization.

The same was the case here in Kenya; the northern region is vast, volatile, dry, thinly populated; thus largely neglected by the previous govts. But all that is changing now.

Yes, very true. In the past many African govts have had a sick approach to development which in many instances involved marginalization of entire regions, and hence ethnic groups. We should all thank the new constitution,, it guarantees development for all regions regardless.

Muafrika2:
Uganda too?

I've heard of the legendary Bairu from a Nairalander, but in relation to Rwanda's Hutu. How do they live together? Is it an Indian kind of caste system?

Sounds like a bunch of calculating opportunists. I doubt that is going to change.

Bairu actually means peasant.
Yes, i have a munyankole friend who was telling me fantastic tales. Even the one where a king sat on the back of a peasant as a stool and stabbed someone's foot as a rest for his spear. The farming caste were prohibited from owning cattle and had to trade produce for milk and meat. They were also forbidden from slaughtering cows. The dynamic was just the same. The Congolese Tutsi also have a tradition of looking down on and speaking down to peasant tribes. That's why anti tutsi sentiments are always strong in the lacustrine region of EA.

In fact you're right, there is a rigid caste system among those tribes from the regions around SW Uganda, Rwanda/Burundi and the adjoining areas of Congo DR. It involves cattle ownership, dietary bans, and social discrimination. Amongst the banyankole its so serious that M7 has decided to stall or stymie calls for the reinstatement of the monarchy amongst his tribe because some enlightened, egalitarian and social revolutionary NRM types scream human dignity and repeat the scary and fantasy like horror stories about what it was in the past to the rest of the people to embolden their point.

Muafrika2:
Legend has it that they came from the North, after the Hutu (Bantus) had settled on the land. They got into a pact which included mixing and sharing of power. They even adopted a bantu language. Until the Tutsi became power hungry and subdued the hosts.

It is said that the Tutsi were very ruthless toward the Hutu. A common saying is that when the Tutsi king wanted to rise from his seat, he called a Hutu and dug his spear into his foot as his support.

The last straw was the European colonialists using the Tutsi, who readily collaborated with them, to dominate the Hutu. Then, guess what, upon independence, they switched the roles and left power in the hands of the Hutu. Recipe for disaster. The genocide was bound to happen.

very much true. The same cushites also settled amongst other tribes in the interlacustrine region and adopted the tongue of the native bantu group, and the same 'Hutu - Tutsi' social class developed amongst the banyankole and batooro of Uganda. The superior - inferior social relationships between the two groups is enveloped in a sad and brutal /demeaning treatment of the hutu group in Uganda. The Hutu group is called Bairu in lunyankole, i saw first hand social relations in that part of Uganda and i felt so sad for them. M7 belongs to the Tutsi group of his tribe and he displays alot of the same disdain they are famous for, and extends that spirit to how other tribes are treated and allocation of resources. Whoever told you an African leader will be unbiased and non tribal in allocating development or resources needs a hot slap.

Nowenuse:
It is very common to see Hausa and yoruba mosques different in some areas.

Hausas & yorubas sometimes celebrate Eid on different days.

Many hausas adress yoruba muslims as fake muslims.

Religion! Even jollof rice has done a better job uniting people (That is if you remove Ghana and Nigeria from the equation! )

Jay254:
I remember the like of Mashada... Sometime I wish elections would be after every 10years..

I recall that mashada. What a waste! That's what happens when you have a business or endeavor run by an unfocused person, it tanks in no time. I personally go to all sections in NL to listen to chatter. I love the business, investment and agriculture sections, alot of new knowledge on my doorstep. I mean, it's on NL that I have met my first Algerian! Mashada just lacked business focus, moderators and a wide variety of topics. We could have been teaching Nigerians dairy farming for instance. Mashada was a extremist site masquerading as a social site, much like those racist message boards from the West. Anyways, it's an opportunity, maybe I or you can seize it and create shillingland!

Nowenuse:
I am from a very small minority ethnic group in Nigeria. (we are barely more than 200k people).

Infact, if i call the name of my ethnic group, most Nigerians here will not know it.
However, i am still not ashamed of my ethnic group.

Why are u ashamed?

Being from a "small" ethnic group is not important. Being from the larger human family is. Your primary identity should always be human. All other identities are social constructs that are as fragile as a discussion on who has more skyscrapers. And just as easily demolished.
That being said, most Africans have not learnt how to manage ethnicity or even understand its role (it cannot be wished away in the name of political PR! ).

freshest4live:
You have misunderstood my argument, l'm not saying Nigeria isn't living under her weight or saying the British caused all problems, but rather you can't compare Nigeria's foundation to that of western countries and not even to south Korea. Japan colonizing south Korea is child's play, they are still alike and understand themselves better than the Nigerian- British relationship.
You are also making excuses for Ghana, there are smaller countries in Europe doing much better than Ghana and with lesser resources, by your logic, this shouldn't be so.
Resources do not make nations but education and ideas. Congo has far more resources than we have, l also used to think Ghana was called the gold coast because of gold correct me if l'm wrong though.
So my point is you give Ghana far too many excuses if we are to go by your standard against Nigeria and you underrate the continual effect of colonialism especially from the French on the continent. There was a time ECOWAS was about introducing Eco as the only currency for west African states, the francophone nations kicked against it, because they valued the French currency, Nigeria had no power to face the French and so the idea was abandoned. This is why l say Africa is still colonized indirectly and the comparison with South Korea is out of place.

Wow! I am still not believing this is you. You are spot on all the way here. Oga, we all need sense like a camel in the desert needs water! I especially agree with you on the negative French influence in West Africa. It pains me.

ababda:
These are the Sudanese you will see in Israel mainly from Darfur or South Sudan.

A picture of a South Kordofan (sudan) or South Sudanese wedding in Israel.


https://l7.alamy.com/zooms/4e39c662cf8148528bf48027e28b2e75/wedding-of-refugees-who-escaped-separately-from-sudan-and-reunited-c7e0y2.jpg


https://l7.alamy.com/zooms/d01de4066f99447ca7a6a6cb4ff8d66b/wedding-of-refugees-who-escaped-separately-from-sudan-and-reunited-c57yfr.jpg

https://c2.staticflickr.com/4/3353/3287589407_159c33fcd2_z.jpg?zz=1


Those are the picture above that goes to Israel, which is unfortunately.


These people below usually go to the arab countries



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Sir, are you from North Sudan ?

Hati13:
Thanks for the detail.
Are kikuyu people Bantus?
Is Swahili Cushitic or Niger-Congo?

Yes the y are bantu origin people. Swahili is in this strange category called Niger Congo. Those are academic definitions. Nobody goes around claiming Niger Congo identity. In Africa, many people identify themselves with their tribes first, religion second and football third!

Hati13:
There are also Semites and Omotic, but few in numbers. The Nilo-Sharan family language speakers in Ethiopia now are only found on Ethio-Sudan boarder.

What was the cause for Bantus expansion to Eastern and Southern Africa?

Bantu expansion was one of the most epic movement of African people. It happened due to the human desire to expand and explore, but the major factor that pushed it on was the discovery of iron, and the weapons and tools that came with it. The Bantu expansion started in the middle to late iron age and went on till the arrival of the colonialists. Thus the Xhosa were still expanding by the time the whites arrived. With iron, they were able to grow more food with iron hoes (as opposed to wooden hoes) and make swords and spears to conquer or subdue new lands. If you study the mythology of many Bantu tribes you discover the existence of a mysterious small people who were invariably pygmy. Many of those pygmy tribes were either conquered, assimilated or annihilated. The were many waves and dispersals along the way, such that there are major difference in body types for example. The was a group that arrived in East Africa and encountered cushitic peoples from whom they learnt cattle keeping. Alot of the practises and vocabulary around cattle have cushitic origins. This group then spread south all the way to South Africa. This is why Bantus from Central Africa don't know much about or keep cattle.

freshest4live:
No bro, population is the problem, same reason you find Indians and Chinese everywhere. Is Kenya better than India?

mister man,
create opportunities and wealth for Nigerians INSIDE Nigeria, those countries that you want to move to don't owe you anything, they have created jobs an opportunities for their own citizens, not for random outsiders (esp those with oversized egos from a certain African country with a large GDP). Most of them have attained a higher standard of life and have better indicators and most don't have oyel. People always move to better places. Look at this thread for example. There have been several Nigerians living in Kenya or have been here who have contributed. How many kenyans living or working in Nigeria? (only 1 contributor! ).

Oga, we know which kon3 na better. simple like beans

Muafrika2:
That is the other angle to the Northern Sudan V/S Southern Sudan war. The Southern tribes say the north belongs to them and the Arabs were just traders who took over their land. its a huge point of discontent even with forming the nation of South Sudan amongst the southern tribes. Some say the war should never stop and their goal is the North.

South Sudan! A very difficult and disappointing bunch! Instead of focusing on how to develop, and having a 50 year advantage of learning from the mistakes of other countries in Africa , they choose stupid tribal war as the opening song to their story. They are just epically disappointing!

TayserMahiri:
Why were those French insecure? Did they fear Africa that much?
Umekuwa wapi mzee wa kazi

The French imperial ambitions also meant erasing African achievement and advancement. There was a very open statement to defeat anything African at that point in time by them, i can't find the exact statement. Remember, they were smarting from a defeat handed to them by African born slaves during the Haitian revolution. Study the history of this period to understand how the French think and the reasons why they're the biggest neo colonialists in Africa.

9jakool:
I think they are more focused on their Arabization policies. The funny thing is that most Sudanese are black, a lot are even darker than most East and West Africans. There are 110 languages spoken in Sudan, but Arabic and English are the official with Arabic being widely spoken. Ironically Sudanese Arabs in Middle Eastern countries like Israel fa.ce racism for being dark-skinned while non-Arabs in Sudan also face discrimination by Sudanese Arabs. I think more open minded Sudanese Arabs tend to acknowledge their diverse ancestry or history more. Africa was never the Arab homeland, Arabs were from the Arabian peninsular, so any Arab from Africa is either a product of Arabization and or mixed.

Arabization will be their downfall. They can be Muslim, yes, but skin colour doesn't lie. You don't see Indian or Pakistani Muslims claiming arabness. Or even Indonesians and Iranians, yet all are majority Muslim. The saddest part is when so many of their customs, foods and mannerism as soooo African. I believe they are the sick man of both Africa and the Middle East!

9jakool:
I don't really know why. The Nubian history is very important to Egypt. Nubia was very powerful and important. Egypt just steals the cake when it comes to Africa, when there are tons of equally interesting cultures, kingdoms/empires and civilizations through out Africa. That's why you see ignorant people say that Africans other than Egypt didn't develop a system of writing. This is of course not true, but people who only learn about Egypt tend to think the rest of Africa is empty due to lack of information.

*Facts*
There are more Nubian pyramids than Egyptian pyramids.

I wish the present north Sudan govt and people can adopt attitudes and practices that allows them to study/acknowledge their pre Islamic heritage with the same or equal respect majority Muslim Egypt does to its own. At least Egyptians understand that they are the descendants of multiple people's and heritages and they eschew extremism in their religious practices I like the Egyptian attitude towards life and modernity, and especially the tolerance of religious expression (well that's under threat nowadays ). Instead, north Sudan have adopted a Wahhabist view of the world, what a shame esp considering their own history as being once Christian.

Muafrika2:
I heard that too. But there are other features that still give it away like the slanting forehead and wide jaw bone, which I doubt is cushitic?

Side view

One of the Napoleons sent revisionist historians and history terrorists to knock off the very African nose of the sphinx!


The French!!!


I left this thread in page 687, i have alot of catching up to do. I think this thread is a definite top 10 for nairaland this year.

very impressive. I have flopped terribly on the dough preparing part too many times to mention. Which oil is best for frying samosas?

That idiot is an effing terrorist. A terrorist is a person who uses violence, threats of violence, intimidation and other means that can kill a human being, in order to achieve an outcome.

Hati13:
The Ethiopian wolf means Semein fox. They are the same.

ok

Hati13:
No, they are called Semein red fox. They are found in the Semein and Bale mountains park. They are endemic/found only in Ethiopia.

very pretty looking fox. It should be made the National animal. I also know about the now extinct Ethiopian lion last seen in the 1930s or thereabouts. where is the picture of Ethiopian wolf?