I am back .
I left this thread on post no 1862 some few years back. In fact i havent logged into nairaland since god knows when. I am shocked to see it still alive. What have I missed? Someone please give me the major highlights since the time I left....

ednited:
Beautiful question for Kenyans,

Why do I hear many people say the richest ones in your country are Indians and Chinese? Why do I hear many people say your culture is falling on Chinese people for example, Chinesse language is taken in your university?

How democratic is Kenya? There's been problems last year in election and stuff. . .why that happened?

How strong is your military? how ready is it to tackle al-shabaab in your own country?

and Hi,

Kenya is NOT a democracy. We are a pretend country. And like all things founded on lies and nothingness, we shall have a short shelf life.

Rachel Akidi is a Ugandan.

I lost my password, recovered it now. Am not happy to be back though seeing as kenya doesnt have a legitimate leader. And people here still think "development" is about concrete and asphalt. Humans. Please change. In other ,unrelated news, this thread is stale. Mods do the necessary.

Shocking!

TayserMahiri:


Had to be because he pulled out. For the first time he will realize Kenya can actually move on without him. I expect unquantifiable tantrums from him for the next couple of weeks, and a repeat of the same political moves in 2022 that see over half of Kenya rising up to vote for the sole reason of preventing him from rising to power. I humbly request y'all Raila fanatics to advice him to support someone else because if he decides to run yet again, too bad.

Can we move forward please? We shall get to Canaan

Tayser, you are very mischievous and insincere. You want to hoodwink nairalanders and the rest of the world. Raila REFUSED to participate in a flawed and irredeemably corrupt process run by a fantastically inept and compromised electoral commission. Along with him, and seeing for themselves without being coerced, 70% of kenyan voters BOYCOTTED the election. People cannot entrust your goats to hyenas to gurad your sheep or yams. Common sense. Not supporting Uhuru does NOT make me a Raila fanatic. He has near negligible support in vast swathes of the country, and not just in luo nyanza. So stop making this up to be about Raila. Kenya CANNOT run an election, period ! What we have is a Jubilee party primary. Legitimacy = zero, zilch, nada.
Your ethnic God should focus on uniting kenyans. Wait a minute, he can't. He spent the last 5 years doing the exact opposite. He is on video record as having said he owes his position to kikuyu and kalenjin ethnic voting blocks. He has consistently disparaged leaders from other regions as inconsequential, along with their votes. Building humongously expensive engineering projects and the works doesn't really equate to development. Real development is in uplifting the personal economy of ALL kenyans, social inclusion, reducing want, eliminating disease and poverty, the works. This is HUMAN DEVELOPMENT. Quite frankly, this hasn't happened in Kenya, there is no visible improvements to the lives of ordinary people. You need to get out of your comfortable middle class bubble and interract with everyday kenyans who struggle and keep their dignity together at the same time, hard as it is. Then, and only then, will you know that in fact, things are not all rosy and prissy prissy as our rather deceptive photos of blankets and wine suggests.

Listen here Tayser, you have to realise that this man Uhuru is deeply unpopular in more than 1/2 of Kenya. Please stop insulting our basic intelligence. 98‰ is what I would regularly get in a maths exam in my heyday, it doesn't happen in an African country's election. Kagame is not a noun anymore, its a verb and adjective as well.
For the avoidance of doubt, I don't recognize him as my leader. This map pretty much sums up the sham that masqueraded as an election. Take time to go through it. I suspect you don't even have to be a Kenyan to see the nuances that it brings out.

TayserMahiri:


People just need to learn to lose honorably ! All this hullabaloo because ONE HOMO SAPIEN cant stand losing in his entire lifetime

Raila was NOT on the ballot. He was not a player. This election was between mr Uhuru and mr Kenyatta and a few other midgets. Raila was not there.

Blinded kenyans completely unaware of the sham going on in their "country", or what's left of it. Can't even condemn police brutality and killings, and an impending disaster masquerading as "democracy ". Yup, you heard it from me, we are back to the Nyayo( arap Moi) days as far as democracy is concerned . Twenty and thirty somethings of today's Kenya are such a dissapointment, with the attention span of a fly's lifetime and pathetic debating skills.
As we sit here posting photos of monuments and edifices, the nationwide nurses strike has reached its 150 th day. 150 days of no action by a govt that simply doesn't give a damn about it's citizens. It comes hot on the heels of the doctors strike that went for more than 100 days. Right now, I can confirm that there are expectant women (poor) who are dying in childbirth all over the country as a result of the strike. The net effect is that the country's maternal expectancy is back to 4 th world levels. Several hospitals, esp public ones in Kenya, are not even fit to be called veterinary facilities, thanks to a shambolic handling of health issues. The govt wants to break up the public health provision system, to the point it's pathetic, and gladly auction it off to Dutch and American insurance firms. A slave colony.
Wake up!!!

QueenOfNepal:
Kenyans here will be hiding their head in shame after this sham called election was conducted.



Kenyans really showed they are still living in stone age

I am reconsidering my kenyanness. If ever I was one. Sham and shame are twin sisters and never far from each other, which is what the current "elections " are.

mtis:

Msee husijistress saana coz of this..One day things will change an Kenyans will live happily ever after...

I don't share your sentiment that you can do shit then postpone feelings. Or that justice should be delayed. Or that this is a trivial matter. You must be under 20 to have such reasoning, sorry am not an ageist but that's something my 10 yr old wouldn't say. I teach my kids that bullshit should be confronted on the spot. People are being shot in their homes and women raped by so called "security forces " ,and you wanna say that we should sweep it under the carpet for another day?! When you do sh1t, it's better to deal with it immediately. Some guy wants to entrench himself in power through a sham election, and you're telling us to wait for another day. Man, thats some really dumb sh1t you just posted there. Feel me?

kikuyu1:


No.Just.No UK/Ruto/Jubilee aren't rigging! JUST LIKE ON 8/8 THEY STILL HAVE THE NUMBERS ie[b],they don't need to[/b]. I've searched high and low and I only found smth fishy in Muranga.

https://youtu.be/kCy6PXdAYLg

The RO, from a NASA region refused to recognise the obvious anomaly and insisted on handing in such a laughable result. The local MP Alice Wahome resisted and is now facing assault charges. If you have any sources,lets see them-we can't do this every time! Scream the game is rigged whenever your man loses;that kind of slander destabilises our political and judicial processes,the last thing our fragile democracy needs. Again,pls provide solid evidence-I'll wait,thanks.

How daft do you folks take other kenyans for? I mean WTF!!! I won't engage you. End.

Ladies and gentlemen. This is a sham election, conducted by a sham electoral commission that has a predetermined outcome. Turnout has been absolutely shambolic countrywide , like here in Mombasa, where I currently am. Many stations have reported as low as 23 voters in a huge city like Mombasa. Sham leader trying to crown himself when more than 70% of voters nationwide have boycotted the sham poll, and he's busy sending his soldiers and ethnic militia to kill his opponents in their homes.

gallivant:
Only Kenyans would understand Kenyans. If Uhuru was a visionary and a great leader half the country wouldn't be opposing him and his rule. More money has been stolen from the exchequer under him than any other president. In two tenures he has also managed to divide the nation.

Agreed, and inter ethnic relations are back to the stone age. As is civil freedoms and liberties. Open theft of everything from public finances to elections. Ati we are ahead : tunadanganya nani?!!!
Am tired of that country and the saintly and facade it presents.

For the umpteenth time it's happening again, this time 2months after the last crap fest. My crappy country is conducting a sham election and the man who is running against himself cannot even get someone to add his rigged figures up properly. Can't the rigging be done properly?!! On live TV. Running against himself!

Aaaaaaaargh am tired of this charade !!! Zimbabwe is ahead of Kenya in democracy!!

marjos:
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Shameful Act As Couples Fight Over A Piece Of Biscuit In Kenya
Shameful Act As Couples Fight Over A Piece Of Biscuit In Kenya

You blithering idiot, that's not even a native kenyan tongue they're speaking ! Sorry for my French.

TayserMahiri:


You are right and for this moment the A and B represent the Kenyatta and Odinga dynasties whose rivalry dates back to independence. We are only lucky that these two have Kenya at heart. And thats part of the reason am not so apprehensive about next week. None of these two idiots would want Kenya to burn. However, there is definitely gonna be skirmishes in the latter's strongholds on 26th. I only feel for kalonzo who is being forced into things he doesnt believe in for fear of being labelled a traitor. The reality is that ballots will be availed, security provided and Nasarites will attempt to sabotage. The consequences are better left unimagined.

Dont you see where the problem is in your last statement? Raila determines that the ref is bad, all other 7 or so candidates have no problem with the ref. Raila says he wont play this game because the ref is bad. And since he wont play this obviously biased game NO ONE ELSE WILL ! WTF? Its either Raila's way or no way at all. I wish you could put yourself in the shoes of any of the other contesting candidates and realize how disrespectful that is. He should just have said he will not contest in a sham election and thats it. He can easily go to court and have the sham election nullified. But he prefers chaos. That aside, its possible Raila will tell his voters to come out on the last day and vote and in that way catch his opponents flat footed.

For the sake of repetition let me repeat : now as in the past, it is the govt that kills its citizens. A 6 month old infant in her father's home. Or the 9yr old on a balcony in Mathare. Or a 75 yr old granny shot on the arm by "police " while leaving a hospital. These are the people of Kenya B. Or the 3rd year architecture student in class just doing his thing but bludgeoned to death. Kenya B.

The people of Kenya A applaud the killing of "those people ". We have decided to "other " each other.

Just for clarity's sake : Commissioner Akombe stated very clearly that the conditions for a free and fair repeat poll do NOT exist. So did the electoral commission chairman Wafula Chebz.

Is Kalonzo a grown man? Is Joho? Are the others on Railas side too? Are you mischievously trying to suggest that they have no cognition on which side to back and so make it appear coerced? Rafiki Kenya iko pande 2, tukubaliane tu. Us vs them, ama namna gani?

jayon:



I shall not join issues with you, i believe you have been hypnotized by your lust. Enjoy your evening

Like I said, bias is a misnomer.

TayserMahiri:



~ I really dont fancy trying to fight delusions. They are so ingrained its pointless trying to correct them. In fact they get more ingrained if you try to give the facts, very peculiar. You can definitely continue believing that all results were doctored. Lets see whether majority of the petitions will succeed.

~ You'll excuse me for this but I'm hearing it from you. Now that he has gone on leave, what the heck did you guys want? You were protesting every other day even carrying coffins bearing his name (as insensitive as that is) demanding for him to go and now what? Do you want him to stay?

~ That is completely wrong and abominable from the police! Any Kenyan who knows what a rotten police force we have would not go chest thumping in front of them. Some of those so called police have personal issues.

~There is a BIG difference between the way Jubilee fans demo and the way you guys do. Yours is usually pure chaos its nothing short of miraculous that more innocent lives dont get lost than happens. The stones, clubs, people rolling on highways,,, name them! While on this one, have you asked yourself why Kamba people who are ardently pro Raila are not demonstrating? And even if they did they would be far much more peaceful. Same case with Mombasa. I dont want to sound tribal but there must be a reason.

~ Who is compelling Raila? He was already told that his decision not to run has been respected and in the same vein he must respect the decision of those who want to vote! Dont lie. The problem with Raila is that he has withdrawn but again according to his egoistic self THERE MUST BE NO ELECTIONS because he is not in the ballot and he is Raila Odinga. How can you have elections without Raila Odinga? Are you mad? I'm not sure you guys have an idea how badly he will end his illustrious career if he continues behaving like an office boss with a bad attitude.

~ You actually believe that about Matiang'i? What else do you believe?

~ On that point number 4, people on the other hand look and see this

People vote, his mind is fixated on WINNING
He gets beaten, rejects results!
He goes to court, judges order re election.
He knows he'll still get beaten and needs more time

so

Demand unattainable changes given the deadline.
Threaten everyone with chaos if they are not met
Courts determine that other candidates were equally aggrieved and should contest
He realizes elections can go on without him

Soooo wait for it:

MASS ACTION ON VOTING DAY !
Yes, no elections if am not there you foolish Kenyans
Dont you know who I am?
My name is Raila Amolo Agwambo Odinga and FVCK all of YOU.
I've said there will be no elections!

Never mind that all other candidates have agreed that the (I)EBC (as you want) has done its best and are comfortable with going to elections.

There is Kenya A and Kenya B. If you belong to either, you see the other as unworthy and subhuman. The present day Kenya has regressed socially to the point where we cannot possibly accept each other. I live on earth, not on Mars or Venus, and my observation living here is that we have created, or rather the ruling party, has created an unequal and skewed system both in the political economy and social economy. That they can openly advocate for a system where the leadership of the nation is restricted and/or closed to defined groups is testament enough that we are in a Babylon. How sustainable is that?
Just for clarity, you can't possibly agree to play a football match with a Rugby referee. That is why Raila will not participate.
Tschuss.

TayserMahiri:


Ndugu, I took notice of Milan's utter failure to put one past AEK Athens.

I love Milan, but they are living on past glory it seems.

TayserMahiri:


Ndugu,

That I dont care about politics doesnt mean I dont have an opinion! I live here and see all that is going on. Hopefully my opinion doesnt hurt you lest this debate degenerates into what they all do in Kenyan politics. Responses to your pointers.

1. There was an election on 8/8 that saw MCAs, Women Reps, MPs, Senators and Governors elected. The presidency was contested and the court declared it null and void. That does not mean there was no election. This is how NASArites are misled and cheer! If you look at how UK affiliated parties swept the aforementioned posts, its not rocket science that he did the same for presidency. That does not mean it follows as is, but it most likely is. The problem with nasa fans is that they'd rather bury their heads and believe therefore that their leader won! Then when he gets a drumming they run to the streets!

2. No denying. I dont defend mediocrity! The police are incompetent, and so are the ever so violent Nasa demonstrators. May I also add here that the violent tendency has all to do with Raila's ideology. You may seek clarifications here if necessary!

3. Definitely! Infiltrated from both sides. I know here is where you try to paint yourselves as saints. Akombe clearly stated that board meetings see officials coming with predetermined partisan stances. That is both sides!

4. How exactly? The IEBC is independent. I thought that was straightforward. Dont ask which talks Raila has already said hes wants dialogue! There are laid down procedures to change IEBC. But it has become the case that every commission must go via street protests, you just wonder where saints will come from to run it if we cannot make what we have work. A new one might be in place as demanded by Raila (just as the current one came via his demands) but the moment he loses, this new one MUST GO TOO. Bro, it has to end somewhere and this to an extent I agree with Jubilee fans. However, this time round maybe Raila should get ALL CHANGES HE WANTS to avoid an imminent anarchy. It will also be good for the country

5. Who said he has no support? He does ! What he doesnt is a majority. And this one also riles your self-denial ilk.

6. I condemn the police each time they do that. I equally condemn the protesters because some of their actions are incredibly backward/ stone age. See the image in first page where they are using such catapults on police. And they expect the police to massage them. A few days ago they attacked a police station and you know what followed. Nonetheless, police brutality I CONDEMN.
The other claims you make I have no Idea. The police in this country have never been reformed and should be reformed!

P.S I was intentionally avoiding politics in that other thread for obvious reasons. Maybe politics should come here.

Just so you know, my political heart lies in Governor Alfred Mutua! If and when he runs. But I HAVE OPINIONS on current contesters !

1.I was referring to the presidential elections when i meant there being no elections. That being said, it doesn't stretch the imagination to see that the other positions were all probability doctored as well! In fact the petitions are all over the place! The "majority " is artificial!
2. IEBC is NOT independent! Never! Dr Akombe spelt it out CLEARLY in both her resignation letter and in subsequent BBC and NPR radio interviews. The IEBC should just strike the I off its initials, coz its a joke of a commission. BTW as i write this, the rigger in chief aka Chiloba Ezra has gone on "leave " just days to a sham exercise! Doesn't that mean something to you?
3. The demonstrators IMO have been infiltrated by criminal elements as they normally are whenever there is a large gathering. There is a report that in fact there are are several police amongst the crowds whose brief it is to loot in order to justify the "violent " narrative. A 17 yr boy on school recess was shot in the neck at point blank range by "police", who then proceeded to slit his throat and extract the spent bullet. Several friends and relatives tell me how "police " in kisumu are randomly breaking into people's houses, roughing up people, sexually and verbally abusing men and women. They of course don't arrest or bludgeon tyre burning protesters on the jubilee stronghold counties. It figuures. The "violent " narrative is blaze.
3. At the time of writing this, Jubilee is trying to compel Raila to run in the election. He has withdrawn from the race. Why do you think that is? Is it to protect an investment with the shady Dubai printing firm Al Ghurair which has been at the center of so many sham elections in Haiti, Zambia, Zimbabwe. In fact, they work so closely with electoral dictatorships and the UNDP/ State department evil axis anywhere in the third world where they want to perpetuate clint regimes of the West, of which, let's admit it, Kenya is. Must raila run when he, the IEBC chair and 1 commissioner have said cannot possibly be a process.
4. The situation will in all likelihood lead to an impasse in the coming few days. Everything happening in Kenya now should be counted on the hour. Someone on twitter best summed the political situation pertaining in Kenya right now in this way:
People vote , you doctor the results.
You go to court, they attack the judges.
They ask for IEBC reforms, you change the law.
They withdraw from the race, you insist they must be on the ballot.
They go to the street, you send the police.
5. I still insist as i always have : the state has always used violent tribal militias to suppress its enemies, for that is how the state sees sections of its own populace. It happens(ed) in 1992 ,2007,2017. Mungiki works to maintain the ruling party, tribal hegemony and are given police uniforms and weapons to carry out violence on perceived "enemy " peoples. Yesterday, the standard newspaper reported that a person no other than the minister of the interior purported a member of another tribal militia called Chinkororo which draws its members from abagusii community. How about that? A cabinet secretary of the interior is a member of a tribal gang? I repeat again, the state has ALWAYS been the main perpetrator.of violence and violent politics in Kenya, not the other way. On this same point, the chairman of the ruling party, a Mr Murathe has openly called for dictatorship in Kenya. People with half an intellect can join the dots and see for themselves that in fact, we have almost returned to elected dictatorship in Kenya with a familiar twist of tribal apartheid .

jayon:


You are so wrong with the word you used "You clearly have no political bone in your body" , i have been in politics before you were born and i am also a member of the nelson mandela fellow. I would not join issues with you, am Nigerian and i do not know very much about kenyan politics but the little i know i would not be biased about it. Its clear you are pro-raila odinga and every word i write here would bounce off your mind, so i would not write further with you. Am not Pro-Uhuru or Pro-Raila , i am un-biased about the whole issue in kenya since am not kenyan, am giving you my views based on my political side.

Here is FORMER US SECRETARY OF STATES JOHN KERRY'S TAKE ON THE CREDIBILITY OF KENYA 2017 ELECTION

http://edition.cnn.com/2017/08/10/africa/kenya-elections/index.html

I am not a fellow of this or that institute, but your analysis is just poor and you're just plain delusional by stating that the IEBC is actually a credible institution. Please please please, don't EVER quote what John Kerry says. He came to Kenya, endorsed a sham election, then when the Kenyan Supreme Court put an end to the charade, he also changed tack and lamely issued a vaguely worded statement about how democracy was the winner. The NY Times also issued a statement recanting their earlier criticism of the main opposition challenger , and now have egg all over their collective faces. John Kerry and the international elections observer Industry suffered a major blow in Kenya. The West is not the moral compass for elections, this has been slammed and pummeled by Kenya elections of 2017, if ever there was a better time to do so.
PS: Unbiased opinion is a misnomer, we all have biases.

TayserMahiri:


Ndugu,

That I dont care about politics doesnt mean I dont have an opinion! I live here and see all that is going on. Hopefully my opinion doesnt hurt you lest this debate degenerates into what they all do in Kenyan politics. Responses to your pointers.

1. There was an election on 8/8 that saw MCAs, Women Reps, MPs, Senators and Governors elected. The presidency was contested and the court declared it null and void. That does not mean there was no election. This is how NASArites are misled and cheer! If you look at how UK affiliated parties swept the aforementioned posts, its not rocket science that he did the same for presidency. That does not mean it follows as is, but it most likely is. The problem with nasa fans is that they'd rather bury their heads and believe therefore that their leader won! Then when he gets a drumming they run to the streets!

2. No denying. I dont defend mediocrity! The police are incompetent, and so are the ever so violent Nasa demonstrators. May I also add here that the violent tendency has all to do with Raila's ideology. You may seek clarifications here if necessary!

3. Definitely! Infiltrated from both sides. I know here is where you try to paint yourselves as saints. Akombe clearly stated that board meetings see officials coming with predetermined partisan stances. That is both sides!

4. How exactly? The IEBC is independent. I thought that was straightforward. Dont ask which talks Raila has already said hes wants dialogue! There are laid down procedures to change IEBC. But it has become the case that every commission must go via street protests, you just wonder where saints will come from to run it if we cannot make what we have work. A new one might be in place as demanded by Raila (just as the current one came via his demands) but the moment he loses, this new one MUST GO TOO. Bro, it has to end somewhere and this to an extent I agree with Jubilee fans. However, this time round maybe Raila should get ALL CHANGES HE WANTS to avoid an imminent anarchy. It will also be good for the country

5. Who said he has no support? He does ! What he doesnt is a majority. And this one also riles your self-denial ilk.

6. I condemn the police each time they do that. I equally condemn the protesters because some of their actions are incredibly backward/ stone age. See the image in first page where they are using such catapults on police. And they expect the police to massage them. A few days ago they attacked a police station and you know what followed. Nonetheless, police brutality I CONDEMN.
The other claims you make I have no Idea. The police in this country have never been reformed and should be reformed!

P.S I was intentionally avoiding politics in that other thread for obvious reasons. Maybe politics should come here.

Just so you know, my political heart lies in Governor Alfred Mutua! If and when he runs. But I HAVE OPINIONS on current contesters !

A not so honest analysis IMO. Will respond 2morrow, its football time now, and my AC Milan tendencies have to take precedence till then.

jayon:



I don't live in kenya but i travel often to kenya and other East African countries, and am very familiar with african politics since am a political analyst, consultant and social critics.

I also do not think uhuru should allow raila dictate the rules of the game, IEBC is the umpire and they should be the one to decide the rules.

NB: Just watched NTV news now and i saw the statement made by Wafula Chebukati seeking to hold a meeting with the two candidate, to seek out political solution. What is your take on this @TayserMahiri

my friend, IEBC has been shown to be a complete sham infiltrated by ruling party apparatchiks posing as commissioners. Raila is not alone in calling for reform, it's not about him What we want in Kenya is a set of rules that are fair, credible, verifiable. You clearly have no political bone in your body because we real life kenyans know that our country has held fraudulent elections every year since probably 1998. We are saying that this time, it comes to a complete and screeching halt.. We are looking for the best standard of democracy, not electoral authoritarianism wearing the garb of elections. Most kenyans know elections do not equate democracy, but is merely one part of it. If we kenyans are saying to the rest of Africa and indeed the world that Africans can actually aspire to do things right and fairly, thereby trashing popular (western ) opinions about how africans do things, and this is what bothers your obviously afro pessimist mindset, then I don't know what democracy is!

Pavore9:
Hmm.

I would be very interested in knowing what you think of current developments in your adopted home.

TayserMahiri:


At this point it could be necessary for the two to hold talks. The alternative is Armageddon on election day 26th. Raila has already called on his supporters to hold mass demonstrations on that day which simply means mass violence. Soo yeah Chebukati is right.

The problem with talks is that they are being forced on one candidate. Uhuru Kenyatta sees no point for talks because he feels Raila wants to demand for a power sharing arrangement between him and Uhuru.

Thanks for coming out of the closet and declaring yourself a kamwana supporter. You at some point said that you don't care about politics, coz it doesn't help you apparently, or words to that effect. End of greeting.
Let's just be honest and call a spade a spade :
1. NO elections took place on 8/8/17.
2. Now as in the past, violence on Kenyans during elections has been administered by the POLICE.
3. The elections body is rotten to the core. This lady Dr Rose Akombe did not want to be part of ANOTHER sham election that is imminent.
4. Talks? which talks? Kenyans want a fair and free process. Uhuru has ensured that we can't.
5. Raila has alot of support around the country. Always has. This always riles folks from your neck of the woods who have Neanderthal views on him and his community.
6. If you have a backbone condemn the "police" killings of pro opposition demonstrators, the ethnic profiling and subsequent killing of non demonstrators by the same "police" of 9yr girl playing on her balcony, a 6month old infant, a high school kid selling ice cream during holidays. By the "police ". For nairalanders who might not understand my quote unquoting the word police, it's common knowledge on kenyan streets right now that the police figures in the last photo given by the op are in fact members of an ethnic militia from the presidos tribe and go by the name Mungiki. They have always been omnipresent in kenyas politics since 2007 and are similar in their reptilian nature as the supporter of APC in Sudan or Interahamwe of pre 1994 Rwanda.

Let's have balance please in any discourse about Kenya bana, plenty of us have eyes too.

Fidha254:
30% of your budget comes from oil, 95% of all exports revenues is from oil and gas, which basically means without oil Nigeria is basically fu€ked ...
And by the way with all that money, and average Kenyan is better educated than an avg nigerian, so much for the 'giant of Africa' , like seriously the number of uneducated nigerians is more than the entire population of Kenya

Bro, you are arguing with a shirtless,flip flop wearing, laptop wielding nigerian living somewhere in donholm, pipeline or Roysambu with 9 of his brothers to a single bedroom and who has cheap bundles or cheap broadband at his disposal, and not with a reasonable being who has indisputable facts about the banking industry in Africa! Some of these folks can rile you with their rich choice of words, so I would advise that if you are trained to have a thick skin, you better absorb and ridicule his assertion. Some of these folks think oil is everything, and can't understand that African countries can keep themselves together without it! Let them visit some of the more prosperous southern african nations like Nam, Bots to discover that an economy is built on sound management and not crude natural resources earnings only. Heck, they should even visit the UAE to see how an economy that began as an oil/gas economy is now sufficiently weaned off it, to their utter disappointment of course!!

Op,
AA's have a culture. That they identify themselves as a people is enough to say they have one. That they are recognized as one of the several American ethnic groups is also proof positive. That they are seen as distinct and treated(unfairly ,what with all the racial profiling and institutional racism they face on the daily !) as such also confirms it. Which aspect of culture were you considering :was it food, music, language or folk wisdom? coz in any way you look at it, AA have a identity.
Op, as an African girl living in the states, you should try and learn from AA how to survive as a black person in Urrmerikka. Sooner than you think, nobody's gonna see the Somali, Zulu or igbo in you, they gonna see black. You dig what am sayin?

No 4 you are incorrect. It is the tribe that is known as Hamar. I find that practice quite hilarious and not bizarre. How would you classify American rodeo or Spanish bullfighting then?

Op, what are Nigeria's selling points that's the place to begin. Don't try the safari tourism thing, Kenya, Zimbabwe and South Africa will beat you hands down. In any field of business inIts very important to know your advantage ,and leverage it accordingly. What is Nigeria's selling point?

obaaderemi:
@MtuMsuper..Calm your nerves.Don't bring your frustration here.You should talk about kenyans running away from poverty in kenya to Somalia of all places for a few hundred bucks.Most of those guys are getting shot by those smelly alshabab men.What of the kenyan women who run to Somalia too?Every society has its bad eggs and nigeria and kenya are no exceptions!Nigerians are even many in chad.Does that make chad better than Nigeria?On the economy,yes,Nigeria's economy is a roaring tiger and many world financial institutions agree it is Africa's largest economy.Who are you by the way?And lastly you should be worried about kenya's dwarfish $65bn economy(how does a whole nation survive on that?) and $1000 per capita and the 80% of nairobians crammed into slums,instead of shouting yourself hoarse here on a NIgerian site.You should worry about your corn(people are getting lynched for stealing corn in Kenya) and egg importation and the drought which has made your government doubtful about meeting its revenue target.

Misguided and religiously brainwashed kenyans are just religious fanatics. Its not a FLOOD. The migration and associated crimes of human trafficking taking place in the Sahara is one. A huuuuge sick crisis. FYI all Islamic cocomentals have members drawn from across the world. That's why indonesian and Dagestan (majority Muslim province of Russia ) have got fighters in alshabab or boko boys or IS and alqaeda. Nothing new. Most of Nigeria's large GDP is locked up in oil production statistics and is skewed. 65 or 70bn $ for 48 mn people is phenomenal given we don't have any mineral or oil, or rather, at least until 2012 we didn't. Even the massive oil wealth of Nigeria hasn't driven the growth expected of her since independence. Instead, it has enriched the Diezani types who charter flights to go and flock Harrods and Marks and Spencer in London with moneybags all the while giving a false impression of a wealthy country.
If you want to engage me properly, can we start a mini discussion about how the Nigerian "economy " has impacted west Africa since the 60s? How would you rate Nigerian influence on economic growth of West Africa countries as juxtaposed with how kenya is a magnet in East Africa or south Africa is in the southern Africa region? Egypt too has immense influence on the surrounding region and that includes Israel too. Whither Nigeria in West Africa.
Am open to a a serious engagement on this, no emotions.

obaaderemi:
They can't wrap their heads around simple things.Nigeria suffered a debilitating recession and multiple aftershocks and yet foreign reserve remains times 4 kenya's despite the massive looting of the previous government.What pains them is the fact that kenya's gdp is smaller than lagos gdp.And each time they come to Nairaland,they see this legend:OUR COUNTRY NIGERIA IS THE GIANT OF AFRICA.They go mad when they see it but they can't help coming to nairaland.Seun Osewa really knows how to rub it in.

Mr man, i see that things haven't changed much. I just want to say, i lost the stamina for mindless sustained bullshitting and empty chest thumping long ago. A large paper GDP, yes. A real and booming economy, NO. A better life quality, NO. Stronger democratic institutions, NO. When ,or for what reason, will you find kenyans flocking to 9ja en masse? Certainly not now, or ever. Oga, visit the BBC website and look for a link to a podcast where Nigerians are crossing the Sahara to reach Libya in order to get on a deathtrap masquerading as a boat, all in order to get TO Europe and AWAY from big GDP Nigeria. Very very heart rending tales of those migrants and a bombshell indictment of the TRUE state of big GDP Nigeria. In the year of our lord 2017 there are even buying slaves in Libya. Nigerians being bought and sold by those heartless desert dwellers like goats and sheep. It seems like you guys don't value a human life, what kind of GIant allows such BS in 2017 ? They will go anywhere as long as they are as far away from Nigeria as possible. Every time I read on the travel section people asking each other how to go" hustle" in places as strange as Faroe islands and even PNG. My God! 9ja peeps are all over Nairobi and Mombasa acting like this is their grandma's cattle kraal. Some are even in the smaller towns like Ruai where they are busy stabbing each other at point blank range because of money. I mean if someone owes you cash, will killing him solve the problem? Our people aren't used to this kind of crazy, please coman take your brothers away, let us be mumu, but not crazy. I went to donholm last week and my sister and her husband were complaining about the noisy and rude nigerians all over the place and how they are preying or being preyed upon by women of easy virtue, thereby lowering the moral standards of the area. Ask yourself, can people from a big GDP country be flying 2,000 miles across Africa to do small time hustles? Is that a country to admire?
Large GDP my blue arse! Create a functional and functioning entity that is the envy of all, then we can talk GIant. Remember the words of Leopold Senghor who said a tiger does not proclaim its tigritude, it just roars.

Pidgin2:


After all said and done, you still spend 24/7 on a Nigerian forum aka Naira land, how come? You should be fraternizing with Senegalese Muslims, Ethiopians and Tanzanians not here, I can't be on a Kenyan forum for any reason except I'm seeking info about you people but it hasn't happened yet and is unlikely to so why do you people keep staying on here and still criticizing, there must be something holding you captive here.

i bash kenya bashers. Bash bash bash till i drop. end.