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mtis:
Now that is crazy

Yup, its beyond belief!!

Nowenuse:
The thing is that extreme poverty in Southern Nigeria is quite low and most cannot relate with it due to the huge middle class population over there.
Extreme poverty in Southern Nigeria is as low as 15%, believe me. Especially in large Southern urban areas like the city i am now (Warri city). Extreme poverty here should be as low as 5%. This is why most urban Southern Nigerians cannot relate with it.

Extreme poverty in North-central Nigeria should be around 35%. As north-central people are mostly christians and liberal muslims, increasingly adopting Southern culture and leaving poverty.

The problem with Nigeria is North-east and North-west regions where the average poverty level is around 70%.

Any agency judging with these 2 regions will easily conclude the majority of Nigerians to be poor. This is the issue here.

And then i stumbled upon this https://www.nairaland.com/3778396/cut-off-marks-entrance-federal-government
How is this even going on? Which kinda teacher tells his student that a mark of 2 is a cut off mark!

9jakool:
Some of the poverty stats are reasonable, others are plain out ridiculous. The disparity in statistics is laughable. Some stats say 30%, 40% others say 50%, 60%, even 70% sometimes. One such inadequate statistics a few years ago even stated that 70% of Lagos live in extreme poverty. The truth is that many Nigerians don't live in areas with high poverty, so they aren't familiar with the exact situation at hand hence the disassociation from the high poverty figures. There is a disparity in Nigeria's poverty rate from region to region.
The fact is that Nigeria's poverty rate is around 45%, at least according to the United nation's data. Now look at this, Lagos state in SW has the lowest poverty rate in Nigeria at 8.5%, while Zamfara in the NW region has the highest at an alarming poverty rate of 91.9%.
Here is the breakdown of poverty rates by region
1.) South-West -19.3%
2.) South-South-25.2%
3.) South-East-27.4%
4.) North-Central- Around National Average
5.) North-east- 76.8%
6.) North-west- 81.1%

The percentage of "poor" Nigerians in 1980 was 28.1%. Take note the percentage of Nigerians living in poverty at the time was far lower than that because the "poor" bracket included those living in poverty as well as those who were simply poor.
The oil wealth is more or less like a blessing with a curse. In the 1960s, the economy of Nigeria was solidified in agriculture. The North produced nuts, the West was known for cocoa, and the East was known for oil palm. Nigeria currency was stronger than the dollar and industrialization (textile, paper, car assembly, etc) was growing at a fast rate. The tourism industry in Nigeria was growing. Tourists would flock to Nigeria's national parks and Nigeria was going to be a formidable force. However the discovery and exploitation of oil reversed the trend. Nigeria's economy(foreign export) became heavily reliant on oil. Greedy politicians and dictators took to the stage and for decades Nigeria was under various corrupt military rules who plundered the wealth of the country at the people's expense. Oppositions and activists were jailed or executed. After the return to civilian rule, the damage done was too much. Manufacturing centers like Kaduna, Kano, Ilorin were filled with abandoned factories. Nigeria has also fell behind greatly in agriculture. The tourist sites became abandoned and many of the wild animals like the West African rhino and giraffes were all hunted to extinction in Nigeria. The once largest producer of oil palm in the world is now overtaken by Malaysia and Indonesia. The once largest producer of cocoa in the world is now overtaken by Ivory Coast and Ghana. I believe that Nigeria can return to its former era by loosening the dependency on oil and investing in what it does best. There are plans to diversify the economy and remove corruptions. So much money have been uncovered.
Anyways sorry for going into the long speal, but I had to give context.

Would have loved to know where those stats are from, though. But seriously, there is a serial lack of opportunity amongst the 18-35 age group. How else would you explain this national obsession to simply get out.and go anywhere but home? Those crossing the Sahara and Mediterranean are the more extreme examples, but even so, their numbers just seem never to run dry!
The Abachas and other dictators i admit set nigeria back decades. I had a nigerian professor at university who was a good personal friend of mine who told me of the desperate conditions most academics in Nigeria were in then and the sheer madness of Abacha was a wonder to behold in both extent and depravity. Obasanjo really tried his best, but from my vantage point, it seems the problem lies in a lack of coordinated approach to getting things right. Nigerians were too hard on GEJ and from my observations, he was just a victim of regional machinations. YarAdua was lukewarm and staid, i cant really put a finger on any of his major achievements, unless you tell me. I personally would rather live in a place that gets 75% of things right than where almost nothing works.

Maduawuchukwu:
This statistic was made in 2013.Since then the UNDP which is in a better position to know has revised it's former position on Nigeria's poverty rate. Check out the new statistics.

Why is it that most nigerian elites tend to shun the topic of (very real) poverty by either falsifying facts or else presenting a denial? Especially when the fact of decades of oil wealth is known.

Nowenuse:
@MtuMsuper

Kenyans on the other hand tend to be more exposed, educated, enlightened, enterprising, competitive, aspiring, daring and hard-headed than Tanzanians from my own personal observation.

As for Uganda, i think they are just there. They appear more like Kenyans but an older version of Kenyans (pardon my indiscretion, i hope no one takes them personal).

Surely you cant make conclusions from watching TV!!! Most of kenyas neighbours lack drive and ambition,true. Resentment from them is real. Education and exposure levels can take a man faaar, and compared to our neighbours, we have that in greater amounts. Also, there is weak institutions in most staes, hence a stymied devt course.

vaxx:
dakar is beaitiful like ivory coast. they have lot of well respected scholarsl than ivory coast.senegal has a little natural resources compare to ivory coast. ivory coast is the largest producer of cocoa in the world. they even have oil but the oil issue is still in court against ghana. i will not fully agree with you if you think ivory coast is better than senegal. not any major diffrence.

It would be very nice to have a senegalese or ivorian in this african discussion. That way, it would be a real african spat. See what french/english divide has done. Even the angolans who never speak anything but portuguese would be welcome.

Nowenuse:
It's true.
A very high level of education, wealth and equality will deal a big blow to tribalism in African countries.

I see the swahilinization of TZ as a good thing. The Europeans, Chinese and others did it to unite their own countries too. You sound as if it is a bad thing.

Not entirely. Education levels in that country are too low. Superstitious behaviours rife. Ignorance and disease like theyre from Mars or Pluto.
What good does stability have when youre not prosperous?

Nowenuse:
This is very true! And this seems to be one reason why tribalism may never die in Africa. Politics promote it too much.
This is why i wish our countries all have ethnic states like India who all control their own rescources in a more decentralized central govt system.
Or promotion of ethnicity be banned as it was done in TZ.

promotion of ethnic sub units will not stop tribalism in africa. Its the practice of making your ethnicity count as a factor of production or giving you undue advantage that counts. In other words , meritocracy. Malaysia removed barriers to joining trades or professions to ethnic malays by deliberate programs to uplift them and be at par with the chinese and ethnic indian Malaysians. Once you remove disadvantage or perceived disadvantage and make everybody equally valued and have equal chances, access and opportunities, tribalism will be dealt a huge blow. See how european tribes entrench this philosophy. As for Tanzania, they just decided to swahilinize the country after independence by suppressing ethnic expression and languages, and then calling it national unity.Many will disagree with me on this last point.

Nowenuse:
Oh, i don't think stereotyping is enough for you to be shy about your identity.

Seriously, i wonder why a country like Kenya with a unifying language would still be facing issues of tribalism.
If Nigeria had a unifying language, i think we would have been far more united today. (i may be wrong though)

Some politicians in Africa like to use ethnicity as a rallying point and to ascend to power, because they want to loot because that is their only agenda.

chkil0:
for french colon they are called "pieds noirs" ( Black feet) , and for algerians like zidane and others they have the double nationality ! so they are algerians also ! and when you talk to them in france they like more algeria then france ! and most of them come to spend their holidays in their orgin country, so we can say that the new inverse colonization of france by maghrebins !

ok.This is good, though many cannot speak local language well.

chkil0:
clear advantage are you serious ? do you know that half of all algerian population was killed in only the first 42 years of invasion (1830-1872) , and millions after , it was a genocide . an Ethnic cleansing , they decimated all the villages and town on their paths (men, women, olds , children the soldiers received a piece of silver for each head and ear cut , back to the commander ) burned the crops ect... algerians were not consider as humans and had not the french nationality and no rights . Algeria was not a colony but a French department of France thats why they try to clean it from indigenes.

the few infrastucture built by french were for french and europeens colons! for exemple schools ! illiteracy of algerians population was 85 % in 1962 ( independancy) now days its only 11%

This is very true chkil0 . I read about how frenchmen made Algeria a department of France, and settled there. They were calling themselves the "pieds a tèrre" or something.
I have question if you dont mind. I always see french Algerians, Moroccans and Tunisians people on the public eye. My most famous one is Zinedine zidane, who remains my favorite player from the 90s. How do Algerians and other North Africans receive them when they visit North Africa ?

Just30:
I would say Twi, Fante,Ewe,Hausa,GA,Bono . Among all of them, most people consider Hausa to be the most aggressive. In every arguments, once you start speaking Hausa Everyone knows what's next

Funny you should mention the connections, connotations and insinuations regarding the speaking of a particular language and aggression or similar violent association. The speaking and use of kiswahili in Uganda has a similar profile, owing to the widespread use of that language in the military and a bad history of its use during the Idi Amin days by his unruly soldiers.Many ugandans even consider it the language of the illiterate.If you dont look likea soldier in uganda and you speak kiswahili it immediately marks you out as a kenyan or tanzanian. You can imagine how a ugandan processes educated kenyans or tanzanians conversing in kiswahili. Cross over into Kenya and Tanzania, its the common everyday speech and is taught upto a very high level . Some languages do indeed have a negative association in some parts of world. The use of English in Cameroon, for instance, marks out your region of origin, access to employment(or rather lack of it) and a very real chance you could be the victim of random violence from both the state and prejudiced individuals .

Just30:
There are 75 ethnic groups in Ghana
Each has it own unique Language
The Akans are a combination of several groups with the same culture and traditions with some similarities in Languages.
Among the Akans, there are various dominant Languages like TWI,FANTE,NZEMA and AHANTA, SEFWI, BONO, and etc
MOST musicians in Ghana sing in either of these four languages FANTE,TWI, GA, or EWE

which is the hottest and most happening ghanaian forum, bro? The equivalent if NL in Ghana.

Tuksgrad:
Lol yes mme. Are you Kenyan?

yes

Tuksgrad:
Yeah I see that and it's good. Oh ? It's good and hot lol. I'm female

It should be le kae mma? Yes, Gaborone and most of Botswana is Hooooot.

Tuksgrad:
Lol thanks. I'm good , how's you?

This thread has had africans from all over joining in. You are the first Motswana. We need you bro.
Ps: I once lived in Village, Gaborone. Hows it nowdays over there?

leathalbeast:
the relationship is good and cordial though both nations are competing to see who's economically stronger eg is cocoa production

there are a lot of Ghanaians living there and vice versa. some of the Ghanaians closer to the Ivory Coast border speak French and they inter-trade too. we buy stuff from them and they buy from us too.
lastly Ivory Coast and Ghana share some ethnic groups and they communicate with eachother just that they are separated by French and English

its good to hear Ghanaians and Ivorians see each other as family. You guys look alot like each other. The french/english thing is just plain foolish to divide yourselves, especially since the two countries share alot of ethnicities. You should avoid the stupidity Biya is doing in Cameroon against the "anglophones". In kenya, i take ugandans the same way, i see them as brothers since we share names and ethnicities with them.

Tuksgrad:
Hahahaha if you say so , I'm not South African but I've lived there and loved it. I'm from Botswana by the way.

Welcome. Le kae rra?

Jay254:
See what Mike Ezuruonye one of Nija's famous actor said when he visited the country.

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=/amp/s/www.tuko.co.ke/amp/115096-surprised-nigerian-actor-mike-ezuruonye-arrived-kenya.html&ved=0ahUKEwihvtywxNrTAhWlKcAKHT5sAAAQFggqMAE&usg=AFQjCNHkr8GmtsFSo0HH7ONyqhrPl8QM1Q&sig2=6vVyYQ4jCzdw4ItI52U3Zg

I am in general agreements with that actors sentiments. Many nigerians load themselves with a false or rather tourist brochure image of kenya/kenyans. When they meet the real life kenya/kenyans, its a 360 degree flip from what they have been made to perceive. That's not the fault of the average kenyan but of the PR the govt has been pushing about our country for eons now. When i was a foreign student i had to undergo some very mean stereotyping from other students about kenyans, and i can assure you some of the bullies i met lost a few teeth,regrettably.

Nowenuse:
Hahaha, when countered with hard facts, this is the way you guys evade.
You guys probably thought Nigerians were low self esteem people who will watch you come and display your ill manners here and ridicule us on our own forum without a fierce rebuttal.
Hope you guys know how it sucks too.

Kenyans and most east Africans are not adventurous and are very local people, so don't expect any in Nigeria or elsewhere. Nairobi is the farthest their little minds can go.

The few Kenyans who have experienced Naija will never want to go elsewhere e.g Victoria Kimani who has both American and Kenyan citizenship but choose to base and remain in Nigeria where her music career has more prospects for success.
The other Kenyans in Naija are mostly women busy in deliverance churches in Nigeria or carrying the pregnancies (babies) of Nigerian men.

This is the attitude and talk that gets the deportation lounge at Nairobi airport full with your brothers everyday without fail. Have you even travelled out of your state in ya whole life?!!

1966 boy.
Google and wikipedia search boy.
Get out of nigeria and have a PRACTICAL experience of life.

PissedYagami:
Thickest humans I have ever seen, they have this 1960s mentality

You better develop a thick skin when dealing with the likes of 1966 boys like Nowenuse. You don't have to give him any explanations becoz you owe him none and he doesn't deserve any. When you deal with people like him in life ,you better be prepared for some epic bullsh!t, that's his stock in trade. Sad ,but true.



Kenyans who are living in any city/village/slum in nigeria, please come out and share your experience. Registering on NL is easy, if you have some basic computer knowledge. And even if you don't, theres always a first time for anything in life. Use a random name of your choice, nobody is here to judge you, all we need is your input into the discussion. Tokelezea tafadhali.

Thank you.

Rwenzori mountains Uganda

Kenyanstar:
This is what Lagos should provide for its residents free of charge...
Machakos Town- Kenya Population-400K
Provision of free public toilet amenities in every town

Nowenuse , i hope this clears your doubting a$$ as to what a common guy in Kenya has access to, free of charge.

neocortex:
Yes, zimbabwe is so developed that its citizens in their thousands are dying to go to South Africa.
The country is so great that it has become a model for the rest of Africa.
You can tell those to little children.

It is unfortunate that a country which lost its currency to mismanagement and has a 70% poverty rate
happens to be your eldorado. You must have a really low standard.

1966 boy. Google search and never updated.
Without a functioning brain or cortex.
Please dont let @Jayceon, @MduZA, @ZarZar or other south Africans hear you disrespecting another african country's currency.

I got standards baby, they high as as your BS.

GEJPosterity:
BTW they have constant electricity and running water in their big cities in Zimbabwe. I visited a friend in Kewkwe recently (Kwekwe is to Zimbabwe what a city like Ado-Ekiti is to Nigeria), and for my 3 days there, the light did not blink. I also did not see a single generator.

Might want to chew on that before you laugh at Mugabe.

Nigeria is a lot worse than many of you realise.

I love Zimbabwe. I took my cows there if you know what that means. In spite and despite everything western powers have done to destabilise Zimbabwe, it remains as a stark physical reminder of the depredations euro civilizations have wreaked upon the motherland, and how africans have defiantly resisted, in spite of the impossible odds. I can confirm most of the stuff about zimbabwe you have given us, and your knowledge about it is firsthand like mine.Mawuya,makorokoto. Am just sayin.

Donclaracuzo:
Abia – Male (130) Female (130)
Adamawa – Male (62) Female (62)
Akwa-Ibom – Male (123) Female (123)
Anambra – Male (139) Female (139)
Bauchi – Male (35) Female (35)
Bayelsa – Male (72) Female (72)
Benue – Male (111) Female (111)
Borno – Male (45) Female (45)
Cross-Rivers – Male (97) Female (97)
Delta – Male (131) Female (131)
Ebonyi – Male (112) Female (112)
Edo – Male (127) Female (127)
Ekiti – Male (119) Female (119)
Enugu – Male (134) Female (134)
Gombe – Male (58) Female (58)
Imo – Male (138) Female (138)
Jigawa – Male (44) Female (44)
Kaduna – Male (91) Female (91)
Kano – Male (67) Female (67)
Kastina – Male (60) Female (60)
Kebbi – Male (9) Female (20)
Kogi – Male (119) Female (119)
Kwara – Male (123) Female (123)
Lagos – Male (133) Female(133)
Nassarawa – Male (58) Female (58)
Niger – Male (93) Female (93)
Ogun – Male (131) Female (131)
Ondo – Male (126) Female (126)
Osun – Male (127) Female (127)
Oyo – Male (127) Female (127)
Plateau – Male (97) Female (97)
Rivers – Male (118) Female (118)
Sokoto – Male (9) Female (13)
Taraba – Male (3) Female (11)
Yobe – Male (2) Female (27)
Zamfara -- Male (4) Female (2)
FCT - Male (90) Female (90)

Are my eyes deceiving me??!!! Where is the meritocracy in this? I mean,seriously !!

uzzyfire:
that's becos these cities are for tourism , Lagos is a city for hustlers ,where people go to make money and be famous . not where people got to look at animals and rivers

Like seriously!!! Who visits nigeria? Who puts it on their bucket list?

uzzyfire:
yeah Nairobi is a tourist centre were people come to look at animal

Look at your life.
"Seeing animal" generates more than $100 m at one national reserve alone-maasai mara. I didnt expect your nigerian psyche to understand that there are other ways of making money besides oyel.
oyel go kill you ooo

mtis:
Only in Kenya..Thanks Jay254:

The look on the guys face in 2nd pic. priceless.
You cant get this kind of experience anywhere in the world,except kenya. Visitors aways come back for more of this(we don't kidnap them for ransom unlike some countries in africa i wont mention btw).

Jay254:
For those who love Nature

Jay254, the first pic, can you confirm if this is a mission church somewhere in Elgeyo Marakwet. I have been there b4, judging from that photo

Wamjo96:
Assured! I could do it myself as well. Btw East African countries atleast have 24/7 power supply even in rural areas, places not connected to the national grids are getting connected. Uganda alone produces more electricity than what's required at the moment.

Kale ssebo! Ssebo, why dont you open a special thread on Uganda. It could be anything, really. Just to educate people about uganda. What say you?

The land owning, bank owning and mostly white upper classes who engineered a legal coup against Dilma are now seeing the roosters coming home to roost. The social/economic reforms made under Lula and his party turned around the fortunes of many previously poor but talented but brown/black Brazilians. And for the first time in that country's history, a mans labour was respected and duly honoured by giving people a fair wage and benefits, something previously unheard of. Access to loans and support to the most indigent was commonplace, there was a rising middle class that was increasingly brown/black. This didn't sit well with the mostly white controlling classes as their tenure at the top of society was under threat. They desperately want to maintain an unequal and racial status quo in Brazil, and they will do anything even murder the constitution and rule of law if they must, as they surely are trying under this new puppet. What were seeing here is more than just a labour strike its also the beginning if an epic race/class struggle because the two are closely related in Brazil.

Pray for Brazil.