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SCIENCE vs GENESIS

God called the expanse "sky." And there was evening, and there was morning--the second day"

science says:

A day (symbol d) is a unit of time equivalent to approximately 24 hours. It is not an SI unit but it is accepted for use with SI.[1] The SI unit of time is the second.

The word 'day' can also refer to the (roughly) half of the day that is not night, also known as 'daytime'. Both refer to a length of time. Within these meanings, several definitions can be distinguished. 'Day' may also refer to a day of the week or to a calendar date, as in answer to the question "On which day?".

The term comes from the Old English dæg, with similar terms common in all other Indo-European languages, such as Tag in German, dies in Latin, dydd in Welsh or dive in Sanskrit or even dag in Norwegian, Danish and Swedish.

technically there is no day or night

the sun is a star that the earth revolves around,

time comes from the spinning of the earth and how it coincides with the sun

so how did ur bible god create something that doesnt exist?

dude, u really must be off ur medication 2night. anyways, let's continue:

HAPPY BLESSINGS FROM THE BIBLE GOD !!!

"Happy shall he be, that taketh and dasheth thy little ones against the stones." (Psalms 137:9, KJV)

"How blessed will be the one who seizes and dashes your little ones Against the rock." (Psalms 137:9, New American Bible)

"Happy the man who shall seize and smash your little ones against the rock!" (Psalms 137:9, New American Bible)

"a blessing on anyone who seizes your babies and shatters them against a rock!" (Psalms 137:9, Jerusalem Bible)



I wonder if this means abortions makes the bible god happy?

I think I've subdued this one. . . je kin lo sun. .

subdued kini

Oh. .  my bad!!!. .  I thought we were just makin ridiculous statements that we couldnt back up or rationalize. . .

ok, i'm down wit the makin ridiculous statements that couldnt be backed up or rationalized game

Hehehehe . . . . Jupiter is on the moon and is guarded by four fierce dogs, two of which can speak arabic. . .

nice one u got there. here's another one: there's a creature upstairs called god or yaweh living in a city wit many mansions wit gold street n a torture chamber of everlasting burning fire reserved for sum of the beings he created n he's favorite past time is being worshiped/praised for eternity by his created beings like mrstreetwize in order to feed his overblown ego.

sounded as silly n absurd as your jupiter example above, huh?

Hahaha u finally fell into my trap.
Logic here
computer is the vessel just as christian is the vessel
So sayin computer exists is like sayin that the christain exists.

So from your words you just said that the computer exists but you do not.
Thus if God does not exist you do not exist either. . . Do yu exist??   

My point is there is more to proof to the existence of something than seeing it or hearing it speak or type.
Have you seen Australia Im guessin u believe it exists though. . . why?? because of the testimonies of people. This is the same with God. Even the perfection of your surroundings is testimony of an intelligent

blah, blah, blah. is dis how we're gonna be going round in circles arguing over a non-existent entity

YOUR SAVAGE, MANIACAL, EGOTISTIC, TYRANICAL, AND GENOCIDAL CHRISTIAN GOD CALLED YAHWEH (OR WHATEVER HE'S JEWISH NAME IS) DOESN'T EXIST. DEAL WITH IT

how does it feel to know u pray to absolutely "NOTHING"

no oh the computer has been defendin its own arguments
my bible has arguments for its authenticity one of which is the fact that so many people were inspired by God to write it?? . . my man what is the probability that so many diverse people wrote things testaments/ accounts that detailed the same God and that all these accounts would fall in line with themselves. . please it is next to impossible is that power did not exist.

ok now, let me stoop down to ur retarded level of argument. ok yea, the computer has been defending its own argument (so, the computer "exist". the bible has arguments for its authenticity (so, the written book called the bible, we all know "exist". so many people wrote testaments/accounters (so, we know, from their written work, these writers/people exist or once existed)

once again, ur god has never written/spoken/typed anything b4, so ur argument for his existence based on other people writing/speaking/typing for him is baseless. unless u wanna agree dat he exist but is not all powerfull but powerless to write/type/speak for himself

ya, ur god exist, but as a fiction of ur imagination

No oh please I do not know who or what is writin oh abeg, It could be the computer acting on its own (trying to talk like you)   

I can say anything i want including that you have no eyes or balls. . . all these are baseless statements backed by no logic whatsoever or even any train of thought. , just as one of my friends can choose to tell me tommorrow that mudley313 doesnt exist and is only a figmentof my imagination that the only way i could prove to him is for mudley to come directly to talk to hiim. . . crap

no, baseless statements wit no logic or train of thot is trying to insinuate dat the person or thing doing this typing may not exist, in illogically attempting to make such comparison wit my argument, "i" have been defending my argument; "you" have been doing the same on ur part; "ur god" has never done none of these ever, only other people(like u n the ancient writers of the bible)have been helping ur incapacitated god defend/speak for himself

I  have told u that God uses media to talk. he has spoken directly to people, whether u choose to believe or not is your own cup of tea

hope u also believe dat god used media to speak directly to muhammed n inspired/dictated the koran directly to him (same wit other people who claim the same like mormon's adam smith),  cos if u dont believe these people (just becos they claim so), i see no reason why u would want me to believe ur people who claim the same.  mudley313 doesn't exist but he can type on a computer screen; ur all powerful god can neither type nor write for himself; he need man to help him do such simple task,  is dat nigga an amputee or sumthin?

toba:
Christians need the holy spirit for interpretation skills.

smh. after, mr. davidylan will open his mouth to label others as "confused"

streetwize:
He uses many mediums to speak, through our hearts and also his word just as you use the computer keys to type your message into the computer and send it through the internet, If I was as naive as you I would be banging my computer and ridiculing it saying, this Mudley313 guy your talkin about, u sure he exists?? why should I believe there's some mysterious atheist somewhere far away typing away at his computer and its gettin to me arrant nonesense!!!

@ bolded. nice way to describe all the gibberish u just wrote up there. u n i know whatever is typing here; even if its not human, even if its probably a computer programme or sumthin, it exist. what drugs are u taking? your god cant type/ write/ speak or do anything at all for himself n your here breaking your head over a non-existent entity

streetwize:
And so also does God speak his word to his vessels. . .

how? u ever heard god speaking to u b4 mr. vessel?? dat's interesting. what accent did he speak to u in? yoruba? igbo?? british american?

streetwize:
I could also tell you that your computer is spreading your word while your unable to do it yourself. . Isnt that a pity

atleast i can type "my word" into a computer screen myself. can your god do dat, talkless of speaking for his non-existent self?, Isnt that a pity 4 a whole god

To us christians it is not as common as you think . . .

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@ streetwize. i'll be back to answer ur titangraphs lata since u seem to be the only one willing to help ur god spread "his word" which he's unable to do himself due to some form of incapacitation

Thot so, my fellow christians are confused was my choice.

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Oxymoron?

no

and what was the point of the thread again? To disparage the beliefs of others who you claim have a "right" to believe in whatever they choose?

no, not to disparage. just to make ridicule of the ridiculous. u happy now?

and your point was what exactly? that we shld stop believing in a non-existent creature who just happens to keep you so riled up?

no. everyone has the right to believe in whatever they choose to believe in. just pointing out how logically absurd the belief in an all powerful creature who cant seem to do anything for himself is, without coming up wit all dat man is just a vessel crap cos its the same way those islamic fundamentalist are vessels for allah (who like ur god too cant seem to be able to do anything for himself) n who u urself is so "actually" riled up about

Again what was the point of the thread?

the absurdity in believing in sum non-existent man/creature/being up in the sky who just cant do anything for his all powerful self

Our minds are made up yeah . . . just the same way yours is too . . . so what was the point of the thread again?

the point of the thread is the ridiculousness of the creature up in the sky who suppossedly can do all things but can't just seem to speak/write/or do anything whatsoever for himself without man, even tho he so badly need his word spread around (from instances of anger jealousy n wrath, wen things dont go his way). he suppossedly can do all things, but always needs money from mere mortals to help him spread "his word". he supposedly wrote the ten commandments in tablets n even wrote on a wall for sum king he was mad wit, but when it comes to his all important word, he just cant seem to put "his word" into writing himself. he transformed into his own son, came into the world, was so eager to spread his word across the globe, but still, just couldn't take the opportunity to put them into writing himself

so, once again, like the pic below says:

I think this is exactly what the likes of mudley do not understand. You simply CANNOT expect the privileges that come with being God's child WITHOUT paying the price for it. You cant kick God out of your lives then complain when He chooses to stay out of the chaos you have made of it.

um, n wat bout the 1500 tutsi's i mentioned earlier who went to seek refuge "in a church" but still got massacred. or is it only trivial issues like playing money doubler to people in nigeria's money dat he only is interested in intervening in?

try and make sense   . .  , start by answering the posers I raised.

try n make sense , start by answering the original question posed in this thread. i asked "what does god do all day" not what he did two thousand years ago by transforming into his own son n coming to mingle wit earthlings all in the name of cleansing sins dat are still in existence wit human blood sacrifice. he supposedly can do "all" things but always in need of money to help spread "his" word. he shows anger, jealousy, n wrath when people disobey his word but still cant just seem to use his unlimited power to help spread it, rather he leaves the jobs to humans, who dont seem to be doing dat good of a job owing to the fact dat there still are way more non-christains on earth than christians. if he so badly needs people to heed to his word why not use his unlimited power in aiding the spread as the supposedly inferior devil seem to be putting in more work in dis regard

Day is time
God is not bound by time, however, all He does is make sure you are well and i am aiight.

oh ok. so all he does is watch n intervene at his own choosing

kinda like a kid wit an ant farm. ic

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the likes of mudley arent interested in anything but bashing God's image. Responding to them is a waste of time, NEVER do you see them seriously consider what you have to say, their mind is already made up.

um, same thing goes for all em fanatical christians n muslim on here. pot calling kettle black

atleast, u guys got the all-powerfull creature up the sky backing u. u can atleast give it a try. or u dont believe in "wit god anything is possible" or u just aint into "helping" god win souls for his kingdom of gold streets n stuff

streetwize:
Hmm. . . your point being that people whose kids have died are not good parents. . see how ridiculous you sound
Secondly you have to understand that if your lookin at it from a christains perspective, death is not actually a bad thing, its just a transition to another world " a better place" in fact, so all your silly arguments are mute.
well God is not a human being so your point about i do not need another human being whats that all about, we are his vessels, just as the computer is your vessel, simple

Hmm, your point being that people who's kids are about to be killed and they have the power to stop the killing but do nothing are good parents, see how even more ridiculous you sound
Secondly you also have to understand if you're looking at it from a christian perspective that when you christains escape death u call it the lord's doing and give testimonies n thanksgiving 4 the wonderful things he has done 4 u but when he doesn't help out its either god's will or a test. how convenient. according to 2face "everybody wan go heaven, but nobody wan die" infact, all your more than silly arguments are mute.
well God is supposedly more than human beings so why would he need the help of people he's more than for EVERYTHING is he/she/is incapacitated? dude can do everything thing but always needs money (according to chalartans) from mere mortals to help him spread his word

And as for your last rants, you did not address the statement

If I want to address there are 2 ways to address you
Firstly- time and context. The traditions of the early days etc etc
and
the fact that u should have asked me, do you think the bible should be interpreted literally or by the message it intends to reveal
What strikes me about atheists is that you forget that the bible is literature and thus has to be interpreted both contextually and relative to the time within which it was set forth.

You will now say shakespeare's 46th sonnet,
Mine eye and heart are at a mortal war
How to divide the conquest of thy sight;
Mine eye my heart thy picture's sight would bar,
My heart mine eye the freedom of that right.
My heart doth plead that thou in him dost lie --
A closet never pierced with crystal eyes --
But the defendant doth that plea deny
And says in him thy fair appearance lies.
To 'cide this title is impanneled
A quest of thoughts, all tenants to the heart,
And by their verdict is determined
The clear eye's moiety and the dear heart's part:
As thus; mine eye's due is thy outward part,
And my heart's right thy inward love of heart.

, is about his eyes and his heart engaging in a brutal one on one face-off
Abeg my guy. . . I believe your intelligent, act like it!!!
or u think the message of Noah's ark is the effects of prolonged precipitation and its limiting effects on bouyant wood

blah, blah, blah. get off the crack pipe dude. yea,  Bible is (ancient) literature (not no word of any god) and “should be interpreted contextually and relative to the time it was set forth” because the people of those ancient times were devoid of modern/advanced amenities and moral ethics as we now know it. They interpreted things (like the sun rotating round the earth or the heavens physically above the skies or why we have rainbow or different languages) because of their limited understanding back then. Just because you don't understand something doesn't mean it must be attributed to some supernatural being. Such reasoning is centuries old: "If Zeus doesn't exist, then how do you explain thunder?" …or are u saying your never changing god was also limited in understand like the men back then n practicing “traditions of the early days etc etc” devoid of modern/advanced amenities and moral ethics?


try n see sence in the pic below. u're doing exactly the same thing those ancient men did. a mere mortal defending/speaking on behalf of an all powerful god who can do anything. how ridiculous

streetwize:
I luv him. . . best pastor ever. . .

u gay?

--and i forgot to add my pic

streetwize:
As for your picture up there. . . all I can say is
The words of Mudley313. . . How come its always texts on a computer screen doing the talkin. . .

atleast i dont need another human being to help me type my text unto the computer screen. can ur imaginary god type texts on a computer screen talkless of to speak for himself?

streetwize:
When did God give public speeches to ancient desert people oh abeg,

'If a man takes a stick and beats his slave, whether male or female, and the slave dies on the spot, the man is to be punished. But if the slave does not die for a day or two, the master is not to be punished. The loss of his property is punishment enough' (Exodus 21:20-21).

condoning slavery

'If two men are having a fight and the wife of one tries to help her husband by grabbing hold of the other man's genitals, show her no mercy; cut off her hand' (Deuteronomy 25:11-12).

reprehensible sharia law for u

'Do not make any treaties with the people of the country into which you are going ,  Instead, tear down their altars, destroy their sacred pillars, and cut down the symbols of their goddess Asherah' (Exodus 34:12-13).

atrocious savagery

'We destroyed all the towns and put to death all the men, women, and children, just as we did in the towns that belonged to King Sihon of Heshbon. We took the cattle and plundered the towns' (Deuteronomy 3:6-7).

genocidal maniac

'When the LORD you God gives you victory in battle and you take prisoners, you may see among them a beautiful woman that you like and want to marry. Take her to your home ,  Later, if you no longer want her, you are to let her go free. Since you forced her to have intercourse with you, you cannot treat her as a slave and sell her' (Deuteronomy 21:10-14).

condoning kidnapping and rape



such a loving imaginary god

[quote author=n-guage link=topic=424747.msg5829670#msg5829670 date=1270409867]This kind of militant atheism has been in existence for centuries now and it has never worked. Whether you like it or not, religion and a belief in the supernatural would always exist. So what do you gain by constantly taunting and getting into arguments? Why don't you live your own life and let others live?[/quote]i dont see any form of militancy in making fun of adults (like kids who believe in santa clause, the easter bunny, tooth fairy or the flying spaghetti monster) believing in sum imaginary creature up in the sky who'll burn u eternally if u dont believe in him

militancy is e.g. the spanish inquisition (christain massacres) and the jos crisis (the muslim equivalent)

noetic16:
You miss the point.

1. God cannot be concived in His entirety by humans. humans who are subject to matter CANNOT conceive an omni-potent, present, puisant and sapient God.

but u just described ur inconceivable god's thoughts n motives  in detail ealier on

2. The relationship we have with God today is via Jesus Christ who is the image of God we see and perceive.

um, i thot they were one n the same person. see confusion

streetwize:
God is a father, and whenever I speak of him I like using the "father" analogy.
Its very simple, a good father would watch you play football and enjoy yourself. It is not his duty to stop you from falling down during all that rough play, it is his duty to pick you up dust your clothes off, and dress your wounds.
God has given us free will, and thus we can do whatever we want, even the guy that is committing genocide( he will have his reward yes), but he still has his freewill. Because without free will, we will just be robots, not human beings, you would not think for yoursel, you wont have intimacy till your married, which im sure if it happens ull be d first ones to wanna complain. . . . but guess what you wouldnt be able to.

God works through believers, or is it not the holy spirit( the third member of the God-head) that is said to be with all believers.
And whether you like it or not, he also watches over you, not as much as he'll want to because you have to let him in. But it still remains that your his creation and he wants the best for you, thus every person who talks to you about God is God working innit
But as for what u want him to do. . . tampering with free-will and all that. . .
Plus them no dey make liger bobo yii. . If na new animal wey u want see go discovery, those guys bad gannnnn!!

n where was this "good father" when 1500 tutsi's were being massacred "inside a church"

I love God.

good for u, if falling in love wit an imaginary friend makes u sleep well at night. its called schizophrenia tho

No one like GOD.

agree. no one like the non-existent creature as described by ancient jewish normads

What do you want again when HE gave u rules and regulation.Deuc 28:1-end

he/she/it never personally gave me (or no one) no rules n regulations. ancient jewish normads gave their people (of the time) rules n regulations n ascribed it to a non-existent creature living up in d sky

The concept of God cannot be conceived in humans limited scope of imagination.

lol @ u saying this after attributing/describing all types of concepts/understanding of your god prior

pure ignorance. God spreads his word Himself. first by dying on the cross and then by preaching the gospel through believers (phillipians 2:13)ance. God spreads His word

makes perfect sense. a god who's got infinite powers to solve all things in an instant, had to take such complicated route as to turn into his own son, turn human, allow humans he created humiliate n murder him, all becos he was sick of the scent of burnt animal offering n wanted to use human blood to wash away sins dat still exist

Your understanding of God is deeply flawed and influenced by ignorance.

1. God does not help anyone with trivial problems. To assume such is to believe that the problems occur outside of the knowledge of God. what we see is God making believers better persons and revealing His miraculous nature in our lives through the storms we face.

2. when EXACTLY did God ask u to go and stop genocide, war or famine? These are events that tell just two things
a. The world we live in as presently constituted is devoid of the world of God as depicted in the garden of eden.
b. Jesus already foretold these events as evidence of the last days before the very end.

3. While God has got infinite powers. . .what happened to the liberty of God to do as He pleases?

4. on the seventh day God did NOT rest. .  . . He CREATED rest

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blah, blah, blah. nice try speaking on behalf of your god .remember wen he/she/it used to give public speeches to ancient desert people? why did he go all dumb/quiet n let people like u who's allegedly limited human scope of imagination cannot grasp the concept of god, speak for him? knock!knock!!my original quetion n d pic below starting to make sum sense now?

Our thinking&reasoning should be broad&not restricted to only particular books.Yet a fool will still exhibit foolishness even without restricting hm/hrself to certain books.
Darwin said he propounded the evolution theory not to undermine the existence of God but to show another angel to how the world came into being.

same thing galileo said for fear of offending people of the faith, but they still castigated him. centuries later we can now see how all dat mythical story of sun standing still for joshua are all what they really is, fables from ancient stone age israelites describing the earth as far as their stone age brains could comprehend

He helps believers with trivial problems in their lives, like money, success, long life etc while expecting human beings to stop all the wars, famines, and genocides, even though he's got infinite power and could do it instantly or same thing since day seven, resting? writing a new entry into the bible?

Seriously, he has his followers on Earth raising money, and spreading the word for him.

He has women creating more humans.

He doesnt intervene in any wars or acts of genocide.

What does he do all day? Just sit back and watch the chaos?

Interestingly enough, I've heard many a Christian say that "the Devil's always busy."
And if there truly is a Devil, I believe he is quite busy. Evidence of his mayhem can be seen around the world.
It would be cool if God made some new animals, at least.

you no longer is

co-sign. u had a boyfriend n was chatting other guys up, emotionally cheating on ur boyfriend. the 2nd guy is asking for marriage now cos u egged him on, all the while wen u were still wit ur boyfriend is is unaware on wats going on/wat u're doing.

bottom line:

u are unfaithfull/untrustworthy n need to free ur current boyfriend so he go look 4 sumone who'd appreciate him better

most are faker than a counterfeit naira note, how would u explain a nation dat boast of one of the biggest church auditoriums n a church at every street block still wallowing in bribery, corruption n 419 of d highest order

just like in america, the ones they call the "bible" belt (down south), dat attend church every sunday, are the most racist n bigoted out here

I thought u will also mention something like " stoning people to death"
Remember that the christian God has power to reverse and restore to life. just like he did in the case of JOB. He can restore the yrs which the locust caterpillar,  Joel  2:25 when u kill u do not have power to bring to life so u are not the same wit hthe christian God
the examples u have sited above are incomplete and inconclusive . Demonstrate the innocence of the punished
in relation to their punishment. how is their judgment is unjust/undeserving. Remember if u think the bible is a fake these stories ought not bother you cos they neva happen according to your theory esp if u are an evolutionist.
GOD is love I neva said he is hate but that he can be angered.
You can site examples of how u think an All-loving God by your understanding was supposed to act in those circumstances in the same condition of temperature and pressure and time frame
the Christian God demands u to be perfect like your father in heaven is perfect. He cannot ask u to do something he cant do. [size=16pt]When u act like him, he describes u as one walking in love cos that is who he is[/size]. If there is anything the Christian God required to be done that he himself did not do in the given circumstance plz point it out.

uh-huh? so, when i act "like him" by going on genocidal rampages, murdering whole cities, both the innocent, women n children, then i'm gonna be described by him as one walking in love cos "its who he is"? where they do dat at??