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says who?

God doesnt have to conform to your flawed analysis of who or what he is. Or what you think he should be.

same way god doesn't have to conform to the flawed analysis of ancient jewish men(who couldn't even write but had to past down their fables orally) of who or what he/she is, or what they thin he should be (like vengeful, wrathfull, jealous, anger, n the ego of a tyranical maniac dat needs his ego fed by eternal praises n worship from mere mortals)

The idea of a ''wrathful'' Creator is truly ludicrous. As is the idea that the Source of Life gets ''jealous'', and has a uniquely ''chosen people'' on earth, on behalf of whom he instigates wars, atrocities, and crimes against humanity, as witnessed by the numerous Israeli atrocities committed against their neighbours in the ''old testament'', and attributed to the ''commandments of the Lord''.

any coincidence dat these uniquely "chosen people" are the people who wrote the books/came up wit the fables themselves

^^^so much for the use of fear tactics to sanction thievery in the name of gawd

^^^well put. couldn't have put it any better. hitler's wrath is childs play in comparison to this "all loving " bible god dat supposedly possess the powers to handle thing more lovingly n rationally if he decided

so show me how God by his own definition/word contradicted himself

you mean the defintion/words of ancient stone aged tribal savages with little ethical consideration

^^^sorry, i didn't mean april fools joke for Hot online guys. i mean real life ones 4 a SO(significant order)

apart from,

i cheated

i'm breaking up

i'm gay

n all the other crap dat may just seem too mean n take d fun outta d joke

Should I Leave Her?

^^^dumbest question of d year


u need to quit all dat fasting n prayer n snap back to reality. even god in heaven will be shaking his head at ur mumu-rism

Life can be a b*tch.  I  had been in a horrible relationship about 2  years ago that took me a while to get over.

are u sure u've fully healed from your previous relationship cos wen the fears from your previous relationship follows u to the next, makes it not seem like u fully healed. n if u ain't, i'm sorry chances are dat dis one is doomed for failure from d get go

Now i am in a relationship that is going really well and   i am happy.

i dont think it can be considered to be going very well (emotionally) if your bearing the thots of others outside

But it seems like all my previous toasters have come back with a bang.  My boo has been away for two week and they are really good guys, three of them to be exact, focused, affectionate and ambitious.  Maybe the timing wasnt great when I first met them, but now they each want to seriously go the extra mile in the name of love.

this wat is called "the grass is greener syndrome". your in a relationship but looking elsewhere. how old are u? cos i dont think u know wat being in a relationship really is. relationships take hard hard work n if any of dat energy dat should be channeled into building one is diverted to harboring thots of other guys, sorry boo, it would never work. u seem like d type dat'll be jumping from relationship to relationship cos d grass is always gonna seem greener in your eyes

I am trying so hard to stay focused on my bobo, but all my girls are like you can't put all your eggs in one basket, and to invest wisely in a guy - and that if i tell these other guys to bugger off i may live to regret it.  Confused

sorry, u cant eat your cake n have it. putting all your eggs in one basket is wat a "committed" relationship entails. u cant want your current relationship to work while haboring thots of testing d water wit 3 other guys. i'm sorry your not ready 4 a committed relationship yet. just live d poor fellow your currently wit dat u profess to be a good guy n just go sleeping around


and by the way, ur thread should have been titled, Aarghh, dont get girls!

her husband probably has threatened her or sumthin cos people on here were bout to expose d koko

^^ shes not rascist

shes just talking about the way black people suffered togethr

and she feels thats why they should stay together

read the poem and decipher it well b4 u start makin ignorant statements

ya, she's racist. what's the different wit wat she's saying n hitler being mad at mixture of races (watever each ones excuse may be)

n for ur info, i dont think any of the "black people dat suffered together" thru slavery or whatever, are still alive right now. so, worng audience

as for me i date white, black, asian, latino or whatever. wats more important to me its the beauty inside not no skin color or watever racist excuse these so called soul sistas wana give

Closing of your eyes while praying is to prevent 1. desracted 2. your sprit man from  wondring about 3. you from being  carried away by what is happenning  at that time

4. you from missing divine revelation.

lol @ the 3 bolded/retarded answers above

^^ grab a bible and look for the part that says answer a fool according to his folly, lest he be wise in his own eyes.

If you want people to harass who wont answer you back, then find the saintly nairalanders and dont let bad luck bring you my way.

because you will get what you're looking for.

ooooh, i'm sooooo scurred !!!

ok mr. e-thug. wasn't looking for anything but civility. dont got a problem wit u being anti-saintly, just wondering why u would wanna keep bringing up the new testament when its pretty evident dat d radicalism of the old testament suits u better. have a nice e-religious fanaticism life, like ur fellow zealots, the savage fulani herdmen of jos

so you're sitting down typing all kinds of rubbish in the expectation I should be Christ like and meekly accept whatever jargon you feel like spewing?

so u blatantly refuse to be christ-like (a christain) for ur own self-aggrandizement. dont make u any different from d atheists u so despise since all of u (you included) are all eventually gonna be ending up in the same everlasting burning hell espoused by ur religious belief

i see u're not just a religous fanatic but a religious hypocrite as well

Like I said, if you and your cohorts cant distinguish between events of tens of thousands of years ago, and the modern world, then I cant help you.

To you, aeons ago is like two minutes ago, and since you lack that critical ability to comprehend time, I must leave you to your alternate universe since I'm not God who can give understanding and neither am I a magician or miracle worker who can say open sesame and immediately have your brick head turn to a normal one.

u still dont get it, do ya?

but Paul took collections from Christians to aid his missionary journeys?but Jesus had a treasurer how did he get money?

did u read d thread title at all?

abi2008:
I ask because this has to be the most critical of forums i have ever been on - and to be honest i see this in person too - so im seeing a pattern too!

this forum isnt actually for me im not getting much contructive im getting responses that are criticisng me , i dont mind being critised but im thinking these people know nothing about me LOL

I think i know the answer to this question already but will post anyway

i've seen your past threads n people were just being critical (whether harshly or otherwise) in order to be able to fully comprehend your situation n answer your questions appropriately, but unfortunately u refused to answer (or rather, dodged) these important questions (for reasons best known to u) n ran away. trust me, u would have received real answers to your question, but guess u were probably scared of probably being told the truth (i.e facing reality)


n i wonder how your continous stereotyping of nigerians is going to in anyway help your future wit your nigerian husband

u were not in love, u were "infatuated"

babaearly:
Paul was a tentmaker,Peter was a fisherman and Jesus was a carpenter.so why the beef if adeboye n co do biz with church?

dem tell u say na church money (tithe n offering from poorer people) dem take finance their business

1. Show me anywhere on this thread where i sanctioned genocide, or prove yourself a liar.

in (fruitlessly) attempting to bring u back to reality n the now more ethical/modern world we live in (as opposed to your unethical defense of the unethical deeds writen by ancient savages of their tribal/your god), i will attempt to use some modern day examples in comparison to some of your earlier post to show how u inadvertently sanctioned(?) or defended acts of genocide just becos it came out your supposedly infallible holy book.

n pls dont be getting your panties in a bunch, getting all worked up, name calling n throwing out insults wen u reply. try n be christ-like

then do you know if the people involved wouldnt have been wiped out the same way, by their enemies who would also be acting on instructions from their own gods?

example 1: osama bin laden n all his terrorist co-horts would love d US wiped out if possible (supposedly on instructions from their god). using your own logic, america (especially with their nuclear capacity) should wipe out everyone of these people (both the innocent, children n women) for having such thoughts n utterances to wipe them out. from the story above, i think your god (before he repented) would

^^ what you fail to grasp is everywhere has similar stories.

So, because everywhere (islam, atheism or whatever) have similar stories now makes urs normal or justified? Or wats the basis for this your argument

The atheism ones are even more recent than these ten thousand year old analogies you're pulling up.

Does how old the story is justify the “act” or what?

did the jews themselves have it easy?

Example 2: does the palestines in Israel have it easy? Did the igbos have it easy? Gosh, did the hutus have it easy in Rwanda prior to their genocidal massacre of the hutsi’s? so, does this justify, genocidal acts of murdering innocent women n children just cos u didn’t have it easy?

and before that the Isrealites were dying from a plague which was the result of their disobedience and rebellion using these women.

example 3: Terrorist used young men posing as students to the U.S to commit the heinous terrorist act of 9/11. With your logic, should the U.S have retaliated by slaughtering all young males of muslim decent aspiring to be students in the U.S?

The women were specifically sent to turn them away from God, so I doubt it's a matter of "a few women causing people to sin"

Seems more like an all out and calculated attempt by their enemies to destroy them, imo.

example 4: same as example 3. These terrorist were specifically sent (using student visa) to kill thousands, which they succeeded; an all out n calculated attempt by enemies of the U.S to destroy them. But (unlike your unethical god) the US didn’t even totally stop issuing student visa to muslims talkless of wiping out the entire muslim nations.

How many times must it be hammered into your brains that the Mosaic code from eons ago, was modified and clarified in the New Testament.

Understood. But that still does not justify the “act” commanded by your god in the old testament. Or are we talking bout a different god here? Pls clarify if im getting things mixed up

n by the way, here's a verse from ur new testament

“But those enemies of mine who did not want me to be king over them, bring them here and kill them in front of me.” (Luke 19:27)

what part of the women were not innocent dont you understand?

Example 5: so, some women sleep wit some men in order to tempt them to switch religion. Even in this modern/more ethical day n age they wont get the death penalty for it but your god (n from your logic) they would not just get the death penalty but their children n other women of the same faith as thiers (that are not virgins) would also be put to death

I dont know what kind of sick minds would pull up incidents that happened tens of thousands of years ago, and use it to justify the jos killings.

No one is justifying the jos killings, just comparing similar event, which u are here justifying, thus, inadvertently justifying the jos killing urself


bottom line:
1. from my examples above, its pretty clear to see dat modern humans have more moral ethic than your god (before he repented of his evil ways)
2. religion would make u vigorously defend the absurd
3. there’s clearly no difference whatsoever between the recent jos massacre n wat your god commanded in dat chapter (how u can see it any differently is beyond me)


case closed

You're no better than the people who kill and behead others in the name of whatever creed they hold be it religious or atheist.

yea, nice logic there. speaking against the slaughtering of innocent women n kids is no better than actually killing n beheading people. ya, u got me there. clap for urself

The fact that you consider yourself qualified, as if you're on some sort of pedestal, to just start criticizing others simply because you feel you "have no religion", is as sickening as it can get.

i dont need to be qualified or on some pedestal to understand dat slaughtering innocent women n kids for whatever reason is unspeakably heinous. any "normal" person should know dat. the only thing sickening in this thread is those attempting to defend such dastardly acts

And you think in some nonsensical way that you're some kind of superfreak who lives in lalaland where nobody's actions have any consequences save for what is "allowed" by your grandiose delusions.

ya, when someone offends u (or in dis case, believes in a different god as u do), murder their women n children (again, just like d fulani herdsmen) as consequences for their action n despoil their virgin females. hmm, u got me on dat one as well.

How many times must it be hammered into your brains that the Mosaic code from eons ago, was modified and clarified in the New Testament. If you have a problem with anything you consider unfair in the old testament, then kindly find an orthodox Jew and ask them about it.

the mosaic law being modified does not take away d fact dat these incidents were claimed to have happened. dat your god (like the fulani herdsmen's god) ordered his chosen people to slaughter women n children of tribes wit different belief system, over land (again, just like the jos crisis). i dont got to go find an orthodox jew for anything unless dat god dat ordered these genocide is an entirely different god from urs; which i dont think, if not stories of him n his atrocities will not be included in your holy books. or did he decide to repent of his evil ways or sumthin?

^^^what if the girl has lost her feelings for him?

Hello again Mudley:

My point is this - Christians are followers of Christ, seeking to become as much like Him as possible and thus bearing His name! I would like to see you justify any of the acts in your examples with His teachings. So that we do not become hypocritical (using lies to self justify and turn this into an argument to be won rather than a mature learning process), I have point blank stated that even the OT way of God has regret for some actions and thus repentance.

On the other hand, we find the Koran exhorting its followers to convert all with violence and kill "so-called" unbelievers. And peaceful Muslims are not even considered "true" to Islam.

Another way is to consider the messengers - Jesus and Mohammed and their lives then show me how your examples relate to Jesus.

Or look at it thus, Sir - I am Nigerian and they call us 419. Does the Nigerian government teach us this? Would you, being Nigerian, accept automatically being called a "fraudster" because some citizens are?

yea, another my-religion-is-better-than-yours argument

dude, i posted in response to the thread in which the OP equated the overwhelming numerical number of deaths perpetuated by islam to being satanic n responded by pointing out that, going by the OP argument,  same thing can be said about christainity for there's even a far higher number of deaths in history from those who claim to follow the christain god

my argument in response to the OP has nothin to do with wat the teachings of these religions is or not. just the overwhelming number of deaths that have been perpetuated by followers of both these religions. same way u argue that these were not real-christains is the same way muslims argue that terrorist are not real-muslims, but that does not stop the fact that the existence of both these religions has caused an alarming number of human deaths historically

^^^the fulani savages will ofcourse have their own explanation/defense/excuse for committing such atrocities. thing is, just like the biblical example above, innocent women n children were mudered in cold blood all in the name of god. ur excuses are just what they are, excuses. hitler had explanations for why he went on a genocidal rampage; hired killers, serial killers, murderers all have an excuse for committing their dastradly acts. but dat still does not justify the slaughtering of women n children all in gods name, be u christain, muslim, juju man or atheist. evil is evil. good is good. coming here to justify blatant evil just makes u look like a sick freak blinded by religion

Mudley:

Interesting post but an overkill and not truly applicable.

I think you should judge our belief system with what they preach and that we are exhorted to follow rather than what we decide to do - if the Bible today requires that we kill/destroy all opposition, then something is wrong with it. Same with any other "book". Your examples do not find support in the teachings (I'm not talking of the history of the OT which is a story and not what we are meant to practise or follow) of the Bible today. The examples depict the rabid tendencies of depraved people who are ready to use anything including God's name as an excuse to commit crime. History will inform that much of what you dug up was financially and politically motivated and they just needed a stamp of approval- what better than God but where's the command or directive they followed to be found in the Bible?

In regard to even the OT, the only religion I am aware of that has a God that claims repentance is Christianity. That may mean something to you, Bro.

same way moslems tag islam as the religion of peace n say its just some overzealous faithfuls not following the real word (like the poster below). Thing is, my examples were not over-kill cos they were all atrocities committed in the name of the christain god, whether following the word or not. just pointing out how millions have been slaughtered in the name of religion, whether muslim or christain, not like the OP was trying to portray like it was one sided

D poster shld jst apologies 2 nobody bt God almight,your facts might be real bt d christian starts it all and 'u' dnt knw anything abt it.ISLAM preaches peace bt ds fighting muslim r only taking revenge f wot have happen in d past,although only Allah can fight 4 its religion, if u stil doubt check ds out on search engines-the covenent,the sword and the of the lord(usa); the lord's resistance army(uganda); army of god(usa); kukluxklan(usa); national liberation front of tripura(india). Ds wil certainly let u knw dt u knw nothin abt christian act! Plz dnt start another religious war like d miss world mayhem in kano.plz moderator's f nairaland,make sure ds religion forum is fazed out or dt ds poster wuld b ban 4rm posting again.thks,naija 4 life.

The only thing you don't understand is this: Using abusive language on elderly people is not a good trait
and is not in our culture.
Although i don't know how old Kunle is but if any of these men of God is old enough to be his brother,
he ought to address them with respect.

using your logic; so, because abacha was probably older than me n we dont use abusive language on elders in our culture dat should prevent me from labelling him wat he really is, a looter n tyrant. sorry dis GO of a con-man is a thief in d name of the lord

Now concerning the matter at hand,I'm neither for or against.Whatever your spirit ask you to do,please do.
My major concern is this:If we notice any man of God going astray what we ought to do is to be praying for such person.
No human being is perfect including you.

ja, cos no human being is perfect, we should just keep quiet n pray when ajudua dupes or ibori loots or daddy GO steals in d name of god. naija mentality

And remember "two wrongs can never make a right".

you're correct, but dis is not d case here. dis is a case of one wrong (thieving man of gawd) n one right (those bold enough to point out his thieving ways)

And you would think christainity is any better

@poster, you know what, regardless of your findings and research, people would rather engage themselves in something they think is more prevalent to their issues than comment on your thread.

Don't get me wrong, some would comment, most wouldn't. I believe you're an outspoken person and kinda  bang on the point. Muslims will slay you! While Christians would argue and peacefully dialogue to any criticism to their beliefs, Muslims will aggressively approach the subject and  destroy or kill the critics. They simply fight for Allah and not the other way round. God fights for Christians.

That's just the difference between these two.

^^^u do realize islam aint got sh.t on christainity when it comes to this murder sh.t. the christain murder list is endless n would fill a whole book. here's just but a few:

Listed are only events that solely occurred on command or participation of church authorities or were committed in the name of Christianity. (List incomplete)

Ancient Pagans

As soon as Christianity became legal in the Roman Empire by imperial edict (315), more and more pagan temples were destroyed by Christian mob. Pagan priests were killed.

Between 315 and 6th century thousands of pagan believers were slain.

Examples of destroyed Temples: the Sanctuary of Aesculap in Aegaea, the Temple of Aphrodite in Golgatha, Aphaka in Lebanon, the Heliopolis.

Christian priests such as Mark of Arethusa or Cyrill of Heliopolis were famous as "temple destroyer." [DA468]

Pagan services became punishable by death in 356. [DA468]

Christian Emperor Theodosius (408-450) even had children executed, because they had been playing with remains of pagan statues. [DA469]
According to Christian chroniclers he "followed meticulously all Christian teachings, "

In 6th century pagans were declared void of all rights.

In the early fourth century the philosopher Sopatros was executed on demand of Christian authorities. [DA466]

The world famous female philosopher Hypatia of Alexandria was torn to pieces with glass fragments by a hysterical Christian mob led by a Christian minister named Peter, in a church, in 415.
[DO19-25]

Mission

Emperor Karl (Charlemagne) in 782 had 4500 Saxons, unwilling to convert to Christianity, beheaded. [DO30]

Peasants of Steding (Germany) unwilling to pay suffocating church taxes: between 5,000 and 11,000 men, women and children slain 5/27/1234 near Altenesch/Germany. [WW223]

15th century Poland: 1019 churches and 17987 villages plundered by Knights of the Order. Number of victims unknown. [DO30]

16th and 17th century Ireland. English troops "pacified and civilized" Ireland, where only Gaelic "wild Irish", "unreasonable beasts lived without any knowledge of God or good manners, in common of their goods, cattle, women, children and every other thing." One of the more successful soldiers, a certain Humphrey Gilbert, half-brother of Sir Walter Raleigh, ordered that "the heddes of all those (of what sort soever thei were) which were killed in the daie, should be cutte off from their bodies,  and should bee laied on the ground by eche side of the waie", which effort to civilize the Irish indeed caused "greate terrour to the people when thei sawe the heddes of their dedde fathers, brothers, children, kinsfolke, and freinds on the grounde".
Tens of thousands of Gaelic Irish fell victim to the carnage. [SH99, 225]

Crusades (1095-1291)

First Crusade: 1095 on command of pope Urban II. [WW11-41]

Semlin/Hungary 6/24/96 thousands slain. Wieselburg/Hungary 6/12/96 thousands. [WW23]

9/9/96-9/26/96 Nikaia, Xerigordon (then Turkish), thousands respectively. [WW25-27]

Until January 1098 a total of 40 capital cities and 200 castles conquered (number of slain unknown) [WW30]

After 6/3/98 Antiochia (then Turkish) conquered, between 10,000 and 60,000 slain. 6/28/98 100,000 Turks (incl. women and children) killed.
[WW32-35]
Here the Christians "did no other harm to the women found in [the enemy's] tents - save that they ran their lances through their bellies," according to Christian chronicler Fulcher of Chartres. [EC60]

Marra (Maraat an-numan) 12/11/98 thousands killed. Because of the subsequent famine "the already stinking corpses of the enemies were eaten by the Christians" said chronicler Albert Aquensis. [WW36]

Jerusalem conquered 7/15/1099 more than 60,000 victims (Jewish, Muslim, men, women, children). [WW37-40]
In the words of one witness: "there [in front of Solomon's temple] was such a carnage that our people were wading ankle-deep in the blood of our foes", and after that "happily and crying for joy our people marched to our Saviour's tomb, to honour it and to pay off our debt of gratitude."

The Archbishop of Tyre, eye-witness, wrote: "It was impossible to look upon the vast numbers of the slain without horror; everywhere lay fragments of human bodies, and the very ground was covered with the blood of the slain. It was not alone the spectacle of headless bodies and mutilated limbs strewn in all directions that roused the horror of all who looked upon them. Still more dreadful was it to gaze upon the victors themselves, dripping with blood from head to foot, an ominous sight which brought terror to all who met them. It is reported that within the Temple enclosure alone about ten thousand infidels perished." [TG79]

Christian chronicler Eckehard of Aura noted that "even the following summer in all of Palestine the air was polluted by the stench of decomposition". [WW41]

Battle of Askalon, 8/12/1099. Thousands of heathens slaughtered "in the name of Our Lord Jesus Christ". [WW45]

Fourth crusade: 4/12/1204 Constantinople sacked, number of victims unknown, numerous thousands, many of them Christian. [WW141-148]

Crusades (1095-1291)

Estimated totals:

Wertham: 1,000,000

Charles Mackay, Memoirs of Extraordinary Popular Delusions and the
Madness of Crowds (1841): 2,000,000 Europeans killed. [http://www.bootlegbooks.com/NonFiction/Mackay/PopDelusions/chap09.html]

Aletheia, The Rationalist's Manual: 5,000,000

Individual Events:

Davies: Crusaders killed up to[b] 8,000[/b] Jews in Rhineland

Paul Johnson A History of the Jews (1987): 1,000 Jewish women in
Rhineland comm. suicide to avoid the mob, 1096.

Gibbon, Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire, v.5, 6

1st Crusade: 300,000 Eur. k at Battle of Nice [Nicea].

Crusaders vs. Solimon of Roum: 4,000 Christians, 3,000 Moslems

1098, Fall of Antioch: 100,000 Moslems massacred.

50,000 Pilgrims died of disease.

1099, Fall of Jerusalem: 70,000 Moslems massacred.

Siege of Tiberias: 30,000 Christians k.

Siege of Tyre: 1,000 Turks

Richard the Lionhearted executes[b] 3,000[/b] Moslem POWs.

1291: 100,000 Christians k after fall of Acre.

Fall of Christian Antioch: 17,000 massacred.

[TOTAL: 677,000 listed in these episodes here.]

Catholic Encyclopedia (1910) [http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/]

Jaffa: 20,000 Christians massacred, 1197

Sorokin estimates that French, English & Imperial German Crusaders lost
a total of 3,600 in battle.

1st C (1096-99): 400

2nd C (1147-49): 750

3rd C (1189-91): 930

4th C (1202-04): 120

5th C (1228-29): 600

7th C (1248-54): 700

James Trager, The People's Chronology (1992)

1099: Crusaders slaughter 40,000 inhabs of Jerusalem. Dis/starv reduced
Crusaders from 300,000 to 60,000.

1147: 2nd Crusades begins with 500,000. "Most" lost to
starv./disease/battle.

1190: 500 Jews massacred in York.

1192: 3rd Crusade reduced from 100,000 to 5,000 through famine, plagues and
desertions in campaign vs Antioch.

1212: Children's Crusade loses some 50,000.

[TOTAL: Just in these incidents, it appears the Europeans lost around
650,000.]

TOTAL: When I take all the individual death tolls listed here, weed out
the duplicates, fill in the blanks, apply Occam ("Pluralitas non est
ponenda sine necessitate", etc. I get a very rough total of 1½ M
deaths in the Crusades.

Heretics and Atheists

Already in 385 C.E. the first Christians, the Spanish Priscillianus and six followers, were beheaded for heresy in Trier/Germany [DO26]

Manichaean heresy: a crypto-Christian sect decent enough to practice birth control (and thus not as irresponsible as faithful Catholics) was exterminated in huge campaigns all over the Roman empire between 372 C.E. and 444 C.E. Numerous thousands of victims. [NC]

Albigensians: the first Crusade intended to slay other Christians. [DO29]
The Albigensians (Cathars) viewed themselves as good Christians, but would not accept Roman Catholic rule, and taxes, and prohibition of birth control. [NC]
Begin of violence: on command of pope Innocent III (the greatest single mass murderer prior to the Nazi era) in 1209. Beziérs (today France) 7/22/1209 destroyed, all the inhabitants were slaughtered. Number of victims (including Catholics refusing to turn over their heretic
neighbors and friends) estimated between 20,000-70,000. [WW179-181]
Carcassonne 8/15/1209, thousands slain. Other cities followed. [WW181]

Subsequent 20 years of war until nearly all Cathars (probably half the population of the Languedoc, today southern France) were exterminated. [WW183]

After the war ended (1229) the Inquisition was founded 1232 to search and destroy surviving/hiding heretics. Last Cathars burned at the stake 1324.
[WW183]

Estimated one million victims (Cathar heresy alone), [WW183]

Other heresies: Waldensians, Paulikians, Runcarians, Josephites, and many others. Most of these sects exterminated, (I believe some Waldensians live today, yet they had to endure 600 years of persecution) I estimate at least hundred thousand victims (including the Spanish inquisition but excluding victims in the New World).

Spanish Inquisitor Torquemada, a former Dominican friar, allegedly was responsible for 10,220 burnings. [DO28]

John Huss, a critic of papal infallibility and indulgences, was burned at the stake in 1415. [LI475-522]

Michael Sattler, leader of a baptist community, was burned at the stake in Rottenburg, Germany, May 20, 1527. Several days later his wife and other follwers were also executed. [KM]

University professor B.Hubmaier burned at the stake 1538 in Vienna. [DO59]

Giordano Bruno, Dominican monk, after having been incarcerated for seven years, was burned at the stake for heresy on the Campo dei Fiori (Rome) on 2/17/1600.

Thomas Aikenhead, a twenty-year-old scottish student of Edinburgh University, was hanged for atheism and blasphemy.

Witches

From the beginning of Christianity to 1484 probably more than several thousand.

In the era of witch hunting (1484-1750) according to modern scholars several hundred thousand (about 80% female) burned at the stake or hanged.
[WV]

Incomplete list of documented cases:
The Burning of Witches - A Chronicle of the Burning Times

Religious Wars

15th century: Crusades against Hussites, thousands slain. [DO30]

1538 pope Paul III declared Crusade against apostate England and all English as slaves of Church (fortunately had not power to go into action). [DO31]

1568 Spanish Inquisition Tribunal ordered extermination of[b] 3 million [/b] rebels in (then Spanish) Netherlands. [DO31]
Between 5000 and 6000 Protestants were drowned by Spanish Catholic Troops, "a disaster the burghers of Emden first realized when several thousand broad-brimmed Dutch hats floated by." [SH216]

1572 In France about 20,000 Huguenots were killed on command of pope Pius V. Until 17th century 200,000 flee. [DO31]

17th century: Catholics slay Gaspard de Coligny, a Protestant leader. After murdering him, the Catholic mob mutilated his body, "cutting off his head, his hands, and his focal places,  and then dumped him into the river [, but] then, deciding that it was not worthy of being food for the fish, they hauled it out again [,  and] dragged what was left ,  to the gallows of Montfaulcon, 'to be meat and carrion for maggots and crows'." [SH191]

17th century: Catholics sack the city of Magdeburg/Germany: roughly 30,000 Protestants were slain. "In a single church fifty women were found beheaded," reported poet Friedrich Schiller, "and infants still sucking the bosoms of their lifeless mothers." [SH191]

17th century 30 years' war (Catholic vs. Protestant): at least 40% of population decimated, mostly in Germany. [DO31-32]

Jews

Already in the 4th and 5th centuries synagogues were burned by Christians.Number of Jews slain unknown.

In the middle of the fourth century the first synagogue was destroyed on command of bishop Innocentius of Dertona in Northern Italy. The first synagogue known to have been burned down was near the river Euphrat, on command of the bishop of Kallinikon in the year 388. [DA450]

694 17. Council of Toledo: Jews were enslaved, their property confiscated, and their children forcibly baptized. [DA454]

1010 The Bishop of Limoges (France) had the cities' Jews, who would not convert to Christianity, expelled or killed. [DA453]

1096 First Crusade: Thousands of Jews slaughtered, maybe 12,000 total. Places: Worms 5/18/1096, Mainz 5/27/1096 (1100 persons), Cologne, Neuss, Altenahr, Wevelinghoven, Xanten, Moers, Dortmund, Kerpen, Trier, Metz, Regensburg, Prag and others (All locations Germany except Metz/France, Prag/Czech) [EJ]

1147 Second Crusade: Several hundred Jews were slain in Ham, Sully, Carentan, and Rameru (all locations in France). [WW57]

1189/90 Third Crusade: English Jewish communities sacked. [DO40]

1235, Fulda/Germany: 34 Jewish men and women slain. [DO41]

1257, 1267: Jewish communities of London, Canterbury, Northampton, Lincoln, Cambridge, and others exterminated. [DO41]

1290 Bohemia (Poland) allegedly 10,000 Jews killed. [DO41]

1337 Starting in Deggendorf/Germany a Jew-killing craze reaches 51 towns in Bavaria, Austria, Poland. [DO41]

1348 All Jews of Basel/Switzerland and Strasbourg/France (two thousand) burned. [DO41]

1349 In more than 350 towns in Germany all Jews murdered, mostly burned alive (in this one year more Jews were killed than Christians in 200 years of ancient Roman persecution of Christians). [DO42]

1389 In Prag 3,000 Jews were slaughtered. [DO42]

1391 Seville's Jews killed (Archbishop Martinez leading). 4,000 were slain, 25,000 sold as slaves. [DA454] Their identification was made easy by the brightly colored "badges of shame" that all Jews above the age of ten had been forced to wear.

1492 In the year Columbus set sail to conquer a New World, more than 150,000 Jews were expelled from Spain, many died on their way: 6/30/1492.
[MM470-476]

1648 Chmielnitzki massacres: In Poland about 200,000 Jews were slain.
[DO43]

(I feel sick , ) this goes on and on, century after century, right into the kilns of Auschwitz.

Native Peoples

Beginning with Columbus (a former slave trader and would-be Holy Crusader) the conquest of the New World began, as usual understood as a means to propagate Christianity.

Within hours of landfall on the first inhabited island he encountered in the Caribbean, Columbus seized and carried off six native people who, he said, "ought to be good servants ,  [and] would easily be made Christians, because it seemed to me that they belonged to no religion." [SH200]
While Columbus described the Indians as "idolators" and "slaves, as many as [the Crown] shall order," his pal Michele de Cuneo, Italian nobleman, referred to the natives as "beasts" because "they eat when they are hungry," and made love "openly whenever they feel like it." [SH204-205]

On every island he set foot on, Columbus planted a cross, "making the declarations that are required" - the requerimiento - to claim the ownership for his Catholic patrons in Spain. And "nobody objected." If the Indians refused or delayed their acceptance (or understanding), the requerimiento continued:

"I certify to you that, with the help of God, we shall powerfully enter in your country and shall make war against you ,  and shall subject you to the yoke and obedience of the Church ,  and shall do you all mischief that we can, as to vassals who do not obey and refuse to receive their lord and resist and contradict him." [SH66]

Likewise in the words of John Winthrop, first governor of Massachusetts Bay Colony: "justifieinge the undertakeres of the intended Plantation in New England ,  to carry the Gospell into those parts of the world, ,  and to raise a Bulworke against the kingdome of the Ante-Christ." [SH235]

In average two thirds of the native population were killed by colonist-imported smallpox before violence began. This was a great sign of "the marvelous goodness and providence of God" to the Christians of course, e.g. the Governor of the Massachusetts Bay Colony wrote in 1634, as "for the natives, they are near all dead of the smallpox, so as the Lord hath cleared our title to what we possess." [SH109,238]

On Hispaniola alone, on Columbus visits, the native population (Arawak), a rather harmless and happy people living on an island of abundant natural resources, a literal paradise, soon mourned 50,000 dead. [SH204]

The surviving Indians fell victim to despoil, murder, enslavement and Spanish raids.
As one of the culprits wrote: "So many Indians died that they could not be counted, all through the land the Indians lay dead everywhere. The stench was very great and pestiferous." [SH69]

The Indian chief Hatuey fled with his people but was captured and burned alive. As "they were tying him to the stake a Franciscan friar urged him to take Jesus to his heart so that his soul might go to heaven, rather than descend into hell. Hatuey replied that if heaven was where the Christians went, he would rather go to hell." [SH70]

What happened to his people was described by an eyewitness:
"The Spaniards found pleasure in inventing all kinds of odd cruelties ,  They built a long gibbet, long enough for the toes to touch the ground to prevent strangling, and hanged thirteen [natives] at a time in honor of Christ Our Saviour and the twelve Apostles,  then, straw was wrapped around their torn bodies and they were burned alive." [SH72]
Or, on another occasion:
"The Spaniards cut off the arm of one, the leg or hip of another, and from some their heads at one stroke, like butchers cutting up beef and mutton for market. Six hundred, including the cacique, were thus slain like brute beasts, Vasco [de Balboa] ordered forty of them to be torn to pieces by dogs." [SH83]

The "island's population of about eight million people at the time of Columbus's arrival in 1492 already had declined by a third to a half before the year 1496 was out." Eventually all the island's natives were exterminated, so the Spaniards were "forced" to import slaves from other caribbean islands, who soon suffered the same fate. Thus "the Caribbean's millions of native people [were] thereby effectively liquidated in barely a quarter of a century". [SH72-73] "In less than the normal lifetime of a single human being, an entire culture of millions of people, thousands of years resident in their homeland, had been exterminated." [SH75]

"And then the Spanish turned their attention to the mainland of Mexico and Central America. The slaughter had barely begun. The exquisite city of Tenochtitlán [Mexico city] was next." [SH75]

Cortez, Pizarro, De Soto and hundreds of other Spanish conquistadors likewise sacked southern and mesoamerican civilizations in the name of Christ (De Soto also sacked Florida).

"When the 16th century ended, some 200,000 Spaniards had moved to the Americas. By that time probably more than 60,000,000 natives were dead."
[SH95]

Of course no different were the founders of what today is the US of America.

Although none of the settlers would have survived winter without native help, they soon set out to expel and exterminate the Indians. Warfare among (north American) Indians was rather harmless, in comparison to European standards, and was meant to avenge insults rather than conquer land. In the words of some of the pilgrim fathers: "Their Warres are farre less bloudy, ", so that there usually was "no great slawter of nether side". Indeed, "they might fight seven yeares and not kill seven men." What is more, the Indians usually spared women and children. [SH111]

In the spring of 1612 some English colonists found life among the (generally friendly and generous) natives attractive enough to leave Jamestown - "being idell ,  did runne away unto the Indyans," - to live among them (that probably solved a intimacy problem).
"Governor Thomas Dale had them hunted down and executed: 'Some he apointed (sic) to be hanged Some burned Some to be broken upon wheles, others to be staked and some shott to deathe'." [SH105] Of course these elegant measures were restricted for fellow Englishmen: "This was the treatment for those who wished to act like Indians. For those who had no
choice in the matter, because they were the native people of Virginia" methods were different: "when an Indian was accused by an Englishman of stealing a cup and failing to return it, the English response was to attack the natives in force, burning the entire community" down. [SH105]

On the territory that is now Massachusetts the founding fathers of the colonies were committing genocide, in what has become known as the "Peqout War." The killers were New England Puritan Christians, refugees from persecution in their own home country England.

When however, a dead colonist was found, apparently killed by Narragansett Indians, the Puritan colonists wanted revenge. Despite the Indian chief's pledge they attacked.
Somehow they seem to have lost the idea of what they were after, because when they were greeted by Pequot Indians (long-time foes of the Narragansetts) the troops nevertheless made war on the Pequots and burned their villages.
The puritan commander-in-charge John Mason after one massacre wrote: "And indeed such a dreadful Terror did the Almighty let fall upon their Spirits, that they would fly from us and run into the very Flames, where many of them perished ,  God was above them, who laughed his Enemies and the Enemies of his People to Scorn, making them as a fiery Oven ,  Thus did the Lord judge among the Heathen, filling the Place with dead Bodies": men, women, children. [SH113-114]

So "the Lord was pleased to smite our Enemies in the hinder Parts, and to give us their land for an inheritance". [SH111].

Because of his readers' assumed knowledge of Deuteronomy, there was no need for Mason to quote the words that immediately follow:
"Thou shalt save alive nothing that breatheth. But thou shalt utterly destroy them, " (Deut 20)

Mason's comrade Underhill recalled how "great and doleful was the bloody sight to the view of the young soldiers" yet reassured his readers that "sometimes the Scripture declareth women and children must perish with their parents". [SH114]

Other Indians were killed in successful plots of poisoning. The colonists even had dogs especially trained to kill Indians and to devour children from their mothers bosoms, in the colonists' own words: "blood Hounds to draw after them, and Mastives to seaze them." (This was inspired by Spanish methods of the time)
In this way they continued until the extermination of the Pequots was near. [SH107-119]

The surviving handful of Indians "were parceled out to live in servitude. John Endicott and his pastor wrote to the governor asking for 'a share' of the captives, specifically 'a young woman or girle and a boy if you thinke good'." [SH115]

Other tribes were to follow the same path.

Comment the Christian exterminators: "God's Will, which will at last give us cause to say: How Great is His Goodness! and How Great is his Beauty!"
"Thus doth the Lord Jesus make them to bow before him, and to lick the Dust!" [TA]

Like today, lying was morally acceptable to Christians then. "Peace treaties were signed with every intention to violate them: when the Indians 'grow secure uppon (sic) the treatie', advised the Council of State in Virginia, 'we shall have the better Advantage both to surprise them, & cutt downe theire Corne'." [SH106]

In 1624 sixty heavily armed Englishmen cut down 800 defenseless Indian men, women and children. [SH107]

In a single massacre in "King Philip's War" of 1675 and 1676 some "600 Indians were destroyed. A delighted Cotton Mather, revered pastor of the Second Church in Boston, later referred to the slaughter as a 'barbeque'." [SH115]

To summarize: Before the arrival of the English, the western Abenaki people in New Hampshire and Vermont had numbered 12,000. Less than half a century later about 250 remained alive - a destruction rate of 98%. The Pocumtuck people had numbered more than 18,000, fifty years later they were down to 920 - 95% destroyed. The Quiripi-Unquachog people had numbered about
30,000, fifty years later they were down to 1500 - 95% destroyed. The Massachusetts people had numbered at least 44,000, fifty years later barely 6000 were alive - 81% destroyed. [SH118] These are only a few examples of the multitude of tribes living before Christian colonists set their foot on the New World. All this was before the smallpox epidemics of 1677 and 1678 had occurred. And the carnage was not over then.

All the above was only the beginning of the European colonization, it was before the frontier age actually had begun.

A total of maybe more than 150 million Indians (of both Americas) were destroyed in the period of 1500 to 1900, as an average two thirds by smallpox and other epidemics, that leaves some 50 million killed directly by violence, bad treatment and slavery.

In many countries, such as Brazil, and Guatemala, this continues even today.

More Glorious Events in U.S. History

Reverend Solomon Stoddard, one of New England's most esteemed religious leaders, in "1703 formally proposed to the Massachusetts Governor that the colonists be given the financial wherewithal to purchase and train large packs of dogs 'to hunt Indians as they do bears'." [SH241]

Massacre of Sand Creek, Colorado 11/29/1864. Colonel John Chivington, a former Methodist minister and still elder in the church ("I long to be wading in gore" had a Cheyenne village of about 600, mostly women and children, gunned down despite the chiefs' waving with a white flag: 400-500 killed.
From an eye-witness account: "There were some thirty or forty squaws collected in a hole for protection; they sent out a little girl about six years old with a white flag on a stick; she had not proceeded but a few steps when she was shot and killed. All the squaws in that hole were afterwards killed , " [SH131]

By the 1860s, "in Hawai'i the Reverend Rufus Anderson surveyed the carnage that by then had reduced those islands' native population by 90 percent or more, and he declined to see it as tragedy; the expected total die-off of the Hawaiian population was only natural, this missionary said, somewhat equivalent to 'the amputation of diseased members of the body'."
[SH244]

20th Century Church Atrocities

Catholic extermination camps
Surprisingly few know that Nazi extermination camps in World War II were by no means the only ones in Europe at the time. In the years 1942-1943 also in Croatia existed numerous extermination camps, run by Catholic Ustasha under their dictator Ante Paveliç, a practicing Catholic and regular visitor to the then pope. There were even concentration camps exclusively for children!
In these camps - the most notorious was Jasenovac, headed by a Franciscan friar -
orthodox-Christian Serbians (and a substantial number of Jews) were murdered. Like the Nazis the Catholic Ustasha burned their victims in kilns, alive (the Nazis were decent enough to have their victims gassed first). But most of the victims were simply stabbed, slain or shot to death, the number of them being estimated between 300,000 and 600,000, in a rather tiny country. Many of the killers were Franciscan friars. The atrocities were appalling enough to induce bystanders of the Nazi "Sicherheitsdienst der SS", watching, to complain about them to Hitler (who did not listen). The pope knew about these events and did
nothing to prevent them. [MV]

Catholic terror in Vietnam
In 1954 Vietnamese freedom fighters; the Viet Minh; - had finally defeated the French colonial government in North Vietnam, which by then had been supported by U.S. funds amounting to more than $2 billion. Although the victorious assured religious freedom to all (most non-Buddhist Vietnamese were Catholics), due to huge anticommunist propaganda campaigns many Catholics fled to the South. With the help of Catholic lobbies in Washington and Cardinal Spellman, the Vatican's spokesman in U.S. politics, who later on would call the U.S. forces in Vietnam "Soldiers of Christ", a scheme was concocted to prevent democratic elections which could have brought the communist Viet Minh to power in the South as well, and the fanatic Catholic Ngo Dinh Diem was made president of South Vietnam. [MW16ff]
Diem saw to it that U.S. aid, food, technical and general assistance was given to Catholics alone, Buddhist individuals and villages were ignored or had to pay for the food aids which were given to Catholics for free. The only religious denomination to be supported was Roman Catholicism.
The Vietnamese McCarthyism turned even more vicious than its American counterpart. By 1956 Diem promulgated a presidential order which read:

"Individuals considered dangerous to the national defense and common security may be confined by executive order, to a concentration camp."

Supposedly to fight communism, thousands of Buddhist protesters and monks were imprisoned in "detention camps." Out of protest dozens of Buddhist teachers - male and female - and monks poured gasoline over themselves and burned themselves. (Note that Buddhists burned themselves: in comparison Christians tend to burn others). Meanwhile some of the prison camps, which in the meantime were filled with Protestant and even Catholic protesters as well, had turned into no-nonsense death camps. It is estimated that during this period of terror (1955-1960) at least 24,000 were wounded - ; mostly in street riots ; - 80,000 people were executed, 275,000 had been detained or tortured, and about 500,000 were sent to concentration or detention camps. [MW76-89].
To support this kind of government in the next decade thousands of American GI's lost their life.

Christianity kills the cat
On July 1, 1976, Anneliese Michel, a 23-year-old student of a teachers college in Germany, died: she starved herself to death. For months she had been haunted by demonic visions and apparitions, and for months two Catholic priests - with explicit approval of the Catholic bishop of Würzburg - additionally pestered and tormented the wretched girl with their exorcist rituals. After her death in Klingenberg hospital - her body was littered with wounds - her parents, both of them
fanatical Catholics, were sentenced to six months for not having called for medical help. None of the priests was punished: on the contrary, Miss Michel's grave today is a place of pilgrimage and worship for a number of similarly faithful Catholics (in the seventeenth century Würzburg was notorious for it's extensive witch burnings).
This case is only the tip of an iceberg of such evil superstition and has become known only because of its lethal outcome. [SP80]

Rwanda Massacres
In 1994 in the small African country of Rwanda in just a few months several hundred thousand civilians were butchered, apparently a conflict of the Hutu and Tutsi ethnic groups.
For quite some time I heard only rumors about Catholic clergy actively involved in the 1994 Rwanda massacres. Odd denials of involvement were printed in Catholic church journals, before even anybody had openly accused members of the church.
Then, 10/10/96, in the newscast of S2 Aktuell, Germany - a station not at all critical to Christianity - the following was stated:

"Anglican as well as Catholic priests and nuns are suspect of having actively participated in murders. Especially the conduct of a certain Catholic priest has been occupying the public mind in Rwanda's capital Kigali for months. He was minister of the church of the Holy Family and allegedly murdered Tutsis in the most brutal manner. He is reported to have accompanied marauding Hutu militia with a gun in his cowl. In fact there has been a bloody slaughter of Tutsis seeking shelter in his parish. Even two years after the massacres many Catholics refuse to set foot on the threshold of their church, because to them the participation of a certain part of the clergy in the slaughter is well established. There is almost no church in Rwanda that has not seen refugees - women, children, old - being brutally butchered facing the crucifix.
According to eyewitnesses clergymen gave away hiding Tutsis and turned them over to the machetes of the Hutu militia.
In connection with these events again and again two Benedictine nuns are mentioned, both of whom have fled into a Belgian monastery in the meantime to avoid prosecution. According to survivors one of them called the
Hutu killers and led them to several thousand people who had sought shelter in her monastery. By force the doomed were driven out of the churchyard and were murdered in the presence of the nun right in front of the gate. The other one is also reported to have directly cooperated with the murderers of the Hutu militia. In her case again witnesses report that she watched the slaughtering of people in cold blood and without showing response. She is even accused of having procured some petrol used by the killers to set on
fire and burn their victims alive, " [S2]

More recently the BBC aired:

Priests get death sentence for Rwandan genocide
BBC NEWS April 19, 1998

A court in Rwanda has sentenced two Roman Catholic priests to death for their role in the genocide of 1994, in which up to a million Tutsis and moderate Hutus were killed. Pope John Paul said the priests must be made to account for their actions. Different sections of the Rwandan church have been widely accused of playing an active role in the genocide of 1994,

As can be seen from these events, to Christianity the Dark Ages never come to an end.

Using your skewed logic, they're both satanic religion (that is if people have killed even in the name of satan up to 1% as compare to murders in the name of all n the christain god

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And another good pt u made about d many seeds he must have sown to 'daddy' d 'HIGH PRIEST'

another pathetic point to note is dat high priest in the NT were actually elected from the infamous sadducees that jesus so despiced. even apostle paul didn't use the term high priest to title himself not to talk of this modern day african high thief

As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which  are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, to their own destruction. -- 2 Peter 3:16 (The Evidence Bible)

The verse above teaches us that Christians should never feel that we have to be able to explain every Bible verse especially to those who are not willing to learn.  Peter even admits that there are some things Paul wrote that are hard to be understood for the enlightened Christians how much more for the blind gnats.  Apostle Peter is seen here to put his seal of approval on the fact that Paul's letters were not the mere writings of a man, but inspired and divine Scriptures.  If folks find it difficult to understand historical events in the OT how do you expect them to understand its applications in the New?  The following will help those who are sincere and diligent in wanting to know what God is saying through His Word.

The Inerrant and Infallible Word of God starts from the opening verses of Genesis to the closing verses of Revelation, and this shows the evidence of heavenly authenticity.  Every page is both historically and scientifically accurate.  While, however, the Bible has the evidence of all this, it is not primarily a book of history, nor is it primarily a book of scientific record.  Basically, it is a book of Divine revelation.  The whole book is a complete revelation of God’s plan of redemption for mankind.  He places it in our hands as the key which unlocks the mystery of His love, of our sin, of His justice and mercy, and of His programme of salvation for mankind.

Once we regard the Bible holistically it begins to take on a new meaning.  The Old Testament (OT) is preparatory to the New Testament (NT).  The NT cannot be understood apart from the OT, neither can the OT be appreciated apart from the NT.  As we read, study and prayerfully meditate on the Bible, we begin to discover that God’s way of dealing with man in the OT is but a shadow of His dealing with man in the NT.   Salvation for a fallen race was to be through the Man Christ Jesus from the very beginning; but before His coming, His death and resurrection, God dealt with the nation into whom Christ was to be born in the same way as He would thereafter deal with men individually through the Lord Jesus Christ.  In other words, God’s dealing with Israel was a type or shadow of His dealings with you and me.  As soon as we grasp this truth, the OT becomes transformed from a book of dry history and unintelligible sacrifices to a book of Divine revelation.

excuses! excuses!! excuses!!!

@ bolded above: thot ur god never changes; did he then repent of his evil n unethical ways in the NT

*shake my head* @ man-made excuses for things written in a man-written book about a man-made god

to quote toney b in one of his earlier post

Bible + history = thousands of years of changing and recording of non historical events.

Judaism + Torah = Christian's old testament which some believe its laws are obsolete while others believe they are not.

Scribes + bible = years of mistranslation, misunderstanding, add ons and removed passages, errors.

Christians + messed up Bible = covering it up and pretending it is perfect and just needs an interpretation.

Overall: When you find things that do not add up or make sense in your bible, make Poo up and pretend that others are getting it wrongly.

strangers to me well yes you are since i do not know you nor you know me - thats the definition of being a stranger.

thanks fo your post agathamari, its very interesting that a non-nigerian wife cannot complain about her husband without a backlash very interesting indeed.  this site says it is for nigerians and friends of nigerians ,  oh well nevermind ,  with that in mind im wasting my time here so good luck people and i do hope in your life you too do not get "backlash" from white people if you are probably surrounded by esp. if you live in the US.  From my experience nigerians, some, are not very popular amongst white people although gregarious they are seen as very arrogant and overbearing especially the women, I have never bought into that stereotype but ive been shocked at some of the responses her ,  its does nigerians as a group no justice whatever ,  and for the most part just because i am white/ foreign and i have a complaint about my husband (lucky those women who have perfect husbands)

Good day

you sought help n then turned around to thrash talk those willing to help

your situation is not in any way "strange". the attitude displayed by u thus far gives everyone a clearer pic of why exactly your marriage is in shambles

goodluck

Why is she not answering the questions and where did she go? I swear some people are silly. They come asking for advice and dont answer the questions that can possibly help them. Then flee. Obviously poster you dont need help!

probably scared of being told the truth

Real answer is actually "all of the above" cos yea, some diasporians really are detached from reality after being away from home for so long (closest they've come, is posting on nairaland); some dont have a real interest in the country cos whatever happens there dont actually directly affect their behind. in the same vain, alotta home based naijas just spew hate out of jealousy (if u had alotta friends back home b4 u left u'd know wat i mean); ya, some have no bias whatsoever (mostly those doing good back home); while some are just embittered n hold unwarranted grudge off of being constantly denied visa

so ur answer is "all of the above"

Overseas doing what?
You forgot to add ''slaving your black A$S''

u remember dat old evi-edna ogoli track dat goes "jealousy is the root of hatred'?

i may be dumb, but not vile n despicable like u (n d fulani savages) are, wit a senseless n evil mind devoid of empathy polluted wit d thots of slaughtering innocent women n children just becos they dont share in the same belief system as ur vile selves

read what u wrote again n tell me if there's any difference in ur reasoning wit the nazis, al-qeadis n colonial slave masters of dis world

fair enough.

This is what I would tell moses. . .I would tell him that the ultimate decision of what to do to these people lies with him. and that moses has 2 options . . . .to either take them as slaves . . . or to kill them.
by taking them as slaves we become prosperous. . .but they would grow up in the future to revenge the death of the folks. . . . .why empower your enemies?
by killing them. . . we kill harmless children but avert a future crises. mind u this was a war scenario.

my point is that. . .the case of mose killing is not balck and white as u would like to paint it.

and enough wit dis ur "war situation" excuse. hitler gassed 6 million innocent jews during a time of war, does dat makes such despicable genocidal act justified? skin-heads n neo-nazis believe god was using hitler to lift the white race above all by cleansing away those different from them even if through hurrendeous means, i guess dat makes dem racist justified in ur book? dude, u (n the heartless jos killers) disgust me