blueAgent:
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Stop fooling yourself, even Science has affirmed the existence of a designer and a creator.

All this Arts students would be using science to form woke, if I ask you to start one law in science now you cannot.

Stop fooling yourself. Science has not affirmed the existence of a creator, neither did I tell you I am with science on God. But even at that, I'll rather go with science than your dumb Gods/religion.

Your bible's God doesn't exist. Your Koran's God doesn't exist either.

SoNature:


This is totally FALSE in caps!

I tell people that What you believe or don't believe cannot change reality because reality is a respecter of nobody. This is a quote from me.

If you believe that there will be a sudden nightfall at 6am tomorrow, if you don't have a way of manipulating nature to make that happen, it won't happen. Belief without actions to back up is useless and ineffective.

This brings us to the next point. How does one manipulate nature? The Bible tells us in Genesis that God created the earth and gave us dominion over it. In fact, God doesn't interfere in our business unless we invite Him or cross the line.

If you want to manipulate nature, you can use technology, pray (inviting the creator of the world), use charm or other means, but never with your thought process. Again, what you believe cannot change what is.

I refrain from saying this type of thing because people won't just understand it. But whether you understand it or not, your behavior is a result of everything you believe thus far.

Krismas:
Oga witchcraft is real. Dey play

I never said witchcraft or spirit isn't real. What I explained is the metaphysics - why it appears to be real.

You create your reality.

socialmediaman:
Out of 100 "spirit" related stories, my theory is that:

1 of them (1%) could be real. I mean, if you believe in God, then there's a possibility there are angels and spirits, right?

19 of them (19%) could be related to hallucinations and mental health conditions. People will definitely hear and see things when they're sick or have mental conditions. There are also pre-existing conditions that could be triggered by things like premonition

80 of them (80%) could be explained, however, many of us can't because we're ignorant.

I take data seriously so I have to put a disclaimer here that those numbers are just from my wild imagination and have no scientific backing

Nothing is spiritual.

And it's not necessarily about hallucination, rather your culture would program you to believe and behave certain ways.

If your culture through mythology or education or through whatever means, believes that it's a bad omen to see a white cat by 6:30 AM in the morning, your whole psyche would work in such a way that all your misfortune on a bad day would be blamed on an innocent cat you saw while going to work early in the morning. The cat would become the explanation for something that's completely unrelated because you'll be using correlation as causation.

And believe it or not, it would become your reality and your cells and genes would work in synch with that. You'll make it real totally out of ignorance!!

That's why white people can do anything to that river and absolutely nothing would happen because they have a different cultural consciousness.

Lance008:
Most of us don't believe on spiritual stuff till some event that made us believe it's exit
Mine was when a pastor die days after fighting the gods in the community

Nothing is spiritual, including God.

Everything could be explained by science or metaphysics.

My latest philosophy is that the thing we call God is also natural because nothing can exist outside nature.

Mindlog:


The Nurse was not fired in Nigeria, Nigeria is not same as the UK.

The patient she prayed for has every right to sue her and the management of the health facility for traumatizing him/her through the "imposing" a religious activity on him or her. I also work here in the UK in a clinical role, during induction we were taught to keep our religious views, activities and beliefs to ourselves, if a patient requests for any form of religious engagement, the appropriate steps to take.

Thanks for that information.

But if you check a little back in history you'll discover that it was normal to render such prayers to the sick in UK hospitals....... until the UK saw the futility of religion and discarded Jesus.

Christianity was NEVER created to enlighten people, rather it was created to enslave people.

Ultimately, the nurse was fired because the UK is done with religion.

NB: Funny, enough I had this discussion with a complete novice here on Nairaland who didn't know that from the enlightenment period in Europe, they discarded religion.

Mindlog:


She went beyond her terms of engagement, she ought to have restricted herself to her assigned clinical role.

Religion is such a disease that blinds both the intellect and spirit. Otherwise, can you tell me how many nurses or doctors who "went beyond" their terms of engagement have been fired in Nigeria for doing the same?

I have seen some hospitals in Nigeria using "we care but God heals" as their motto!!

Jeux:
I just read a post on romance section and it got me wondering if a school cert holder can be said to be educated .

The first problem is that you're assuming you're an educated person yourself. Oh, well, it depends on what you define education as because in the 1920's, those with first school living certificate were considered educated and they got jobs.

Up till the 60's, 70's, even 80's, those with secondary school certificate got jobs in high ranking offices after leaving school. As a matter of fact I am not sure a university graduate has ruled Nigeria unless maybe Tinubu.

Education has degraded to the point where we should rather be asking whether someone who finished from a university today could be called educated.

But as someone rightly said, any serious student out of secondary school has already got general knowledge. You only go to the university to specialize on a field.

I finished from a secondary school but I didn't stop my education and would never stop. Education has no end because there's always something to learn. In short, anyone that stopped his/her education after leaving the university, is not educated.

Dilijingsly:
Whats the origin of the word okada?

Okada was formerly an airline renowned for speed and promptness. I guess the motorcyclists began to be also called Okada because of fast delivery.

Naijaplos:
There is nothing for which they can be punished, they cannot go to hell.
Infant gain heaven thru God's mercy and grace, they seem to escape hell by virtue of merit. ps 127:3, isa 65:8, rom 5:14

First of all, your bible's heaven doesn't exist. Your bible's hell doesn't exist either.

With that out of the way, what happens when a baby dies is the same thing that happens when a dog dies. They'll get recycled in accordance to the law of nature.

According to the ancient Egyptians (who researched more about life and death than anybody else) they'll all return as something else.

They said it takes 3,000 years to go full circle i.e to be a frog, horse, fish, dog, human, etc and back. It doesn't stop and can never stop because that's simply how nature works. Three thousand years ago you were a human being but before that, you've been other animals. Being in this circle is what religions have misinterpreted as hell.

You can escape it and become God-like by being a good person........not by believing in or being a member of any religion, in fact, religion is a perfect way to keep you trapped in the circle.

Peterobi90:
The height of cluelessness... it's obvious the vault is empty from illicit fund approvals to sway their ego, while Cardumbo is seeking more funding through re-capitalization of banks..

You are talking of a proposed $1tr economy, when your manufacturing sector is going comatose, your unemployment rate is killing, recapitalisation would even throw more into the labour market.

Where would your stock investors come from?..the hungry populace whose buying power has been reduced to zero? how many of the Nigerian elite populace survived the 2008 stockmarket collapse?.. FX round trooping and bond investment seems more stable than your stockmarket..

Bought Equity bank shares, it was reduced on merging with Intercontinental, it was further reduced on merging with access bank.. 10 - 1, 7 - 1 while stock prices plummeted..
Citizens - diamond - access.... same story
Now union to fidelity... same story
Skye bank... same story, as at today, the dividends can't even buy me a good lunch in a good restaurant.

Pharmaceuticals companies, manufacturing coys and a whole lot of others are going moribund or going private due to unethical political influence, yet the priority is raising bank capitals for a phantom $1tr limbo economy from the poorest country in the world.

The country obviously needs a major administrative re-brand, its unfortunate those that preach snatch, grab and run can't even convince a kid talk more elite investors..

Elections truly have consequences..

Indeed, this announcement is the most definite proof that Nigeria is bankrupt at this moment.

What they want to do is forcefully compel the banks to attract Dollars through foreign partnership.

Asawoboy:
How do we say NEPA don bring light with correct English.🙄
Make una bring chair,
grammar go fall from sky today 🤣🤣🤣

The English language is not our thoughts, so you can't translate it literally, instead what you should do is say what white people (who gave us English) would say in such a situation. And they'll say: power is back.

We are merely participating in ready-made, second-hand thought process handed down to us through slavery and colonialism. It has no meaning except what white people mean.

We have no real touch with reality, except the few times we think in or speak our native language or Pidgin.

tsdarkside:


can you stfu already....
than to dey talk nonesense how about you helpin them....

There are better ways to address someone even if you don't like what they represent.

I, for one don't even believe he/she is Canadian.

mu2sa2:
"We know what happened can happen because it did happen." The video isn't fake. Those guys are having a real bad time in Canada. Many Africans have been misled into thinking that the streets of Canada and other Western countries are paved with gold. It's only when they get there that they're faced with the stark realities of life as depicted in the video. I understand your patriotism, but fact is the video is real and those Africans are in real mess. May God save them from the cold temperatures they have never experienced before, not even in their weirdest imaginations.

That person isn't even a Canadian. See below.

Okay, I am a Canadian. I can't speak for this "shelter" if you even want to call it that. I think for sure this particular situation is very isolated. I've never seen a shelter like this anywhere and in fact haven't heard about this death either. Mississauga is literally 3 hours from me. I am sure there has to be some underlying issue going on here that isn't being told.[/b]

If you read the rest of his/her post carefully, you'll see Nigerian English use here and there

Waylex21:


What proofs do you have that Jesus never existed?

Because Mary NEVER existed.
Bethlehem NEVER existed on earth 2,000 years ago. Bethlehem is in the sky where a mythical god was born thousands of years before Jesus!!

Many gods have died and resurrected thousands of years before anybody heard of Jesus.
The ancient Egyptian god Horus was born by a virgin, three wise men visited at his birth, had twelve disciples, did miracles, was killed by his enemy, he died and resurrected, ascended into heaven to be at the right hand side of his father, etc.

So were many other gods such as Krishna, Buddha, Quelxecote, Mithra, Zoroastra, etc. All share the same story line as Jesus. But they all predate Jesus!!

Herod NEVER ordered the killing of children. That's a story line mythology that all the other Gods above share.

What more? The supposed eyewitnesses- Mark, Mathew, Luke, John never claimed to have met Jesus, in fact, I have offered to pay N100,000 to anybody who has any proof that Mark, Mathew, Luke, John met Jesus. There's a thread on it. See https://www.nairaland.com/7908694/mark-luke-mathew-john-never

emkz:
Dear friends,

God created us and he did not hand religion to us.

When Jesus Christ came, he did not practice the religion of the day and did not found any religion. He taught us one thing: "Love your neighbour as yourself".

The religion we have become slaves to are not allowed to enslave those where the religion was founded. Let us apply our wisdoms and seek God for ourselves. There is not law that says we must be slaves to fellow human beings because they have God on speed dial.

This pastor is pathetic. Once you allow them to invade your space, you become vulnerable. And they can ruin your life. See the case of Ese Walters ruined by Biodun Fatoyinbo. Look at the woman set on fire by Reverend King in the name of Holy Ghost fire. Look at the charlatans who prophesied that Tinubu would not win the election and won't rule. Who rules the nation now?

There was no Jesus!!

"cut off the head of the snake". Jesus NEVER existed at all.

If you negate all known scientific law and insist he existed, then your advise is like adding sugar to the ocean.

To be a Christian is to be logically disarmed, mentally incapacitated, psycho-spiritually BLIND.

Aonkuuse:
I came acrose this heartbreaking hypocrisy of the west and could not help it but to share....

This man was shot dead while preaching in the states and there is no single public uproar or any single news outlet carrying it.... But imagine it happened in Nigeria, the states would have said Nigeria is this and Nigeria is that.... They would have even gone ahead to place visa restrictions and all sort of things.

The west really need to stop looking at others as bad while they are doing the worst things.

Jesus wasn't meant to be believed by those that gave you Christianity because its a mind-crippling message, therefore, unfit for consumption. Jesus is meant for conquered slaves like you.

That's why.

FRANCISTOWN:


You are very wise! In those days , they built the gospels around the stories of a supposed "God like man" and an adulteration of the story of an Egyptian god called "Horus".

The teachings in the scriptures were gotten from the works of philosophers who lived before the collation of the bible and Torah.

When Constantine became the emperor. He closed down the school of philosophy and he burnt all their works so, people would think wisdom can be found only in the scriptures and that it is divine.

However, the scriptures is a compilation of the works of many philosophers who have lived since time immemorial.

Many books in the scriptures were not written by the supposed people. It is said that Moses wrote the pentateuch. However, how come Moses himself was referred to using the third person point of account.
Lemme use some popular verses.

^{Deut 34: 5 "And Moses the servant of the Lord died there in Moab, as the Lord had said.
6 He buried him[a] in Moab, in the valley opposite Beth Peor, but to this day no one knows where his grave is.
7 Moses was a hundred and twenty years old when he died, yet his eyes were not weak nor his strength gone.
8 The Israelites grieved for Moses in the plains of Moab thirty days, until the time of weeping and mourning was over."}

To the christian, look at verse 5 downward. Aside the fact that the author of Deuteronomy addressed Moses from a third person , which means it wasn't Moses who wrote Deuteronomy. Also those verses up there detailed the death of Moses.

My question is, how did Moses know what happened after his death?
If he knew, how did it get it into writing?
Did he write from heaven and sent it down here?
Don't christians ask themselves these things?

Well! Good for them, let them enjoy their stupidity

I didn't even know that Moses also wrote as a third person. But I know scholars are already aware that the first 5 books in the bible were written by different people. Not just different people but people who lived in different generations and didn't even know each other.

The third person report in the old testament makes it clear that Moses never existed. Someone was just telling a story as told by every other culture around the world about their mythical hero.

Scholars are also already well aware that most of the New testament books are fraudulent. Example: the book of second Peter is already known to be a forgery. Only Mark, Mathew, Luke are considered authentic early Christian document.

Only five letters from Paul are considered authentic. The rest of the so called letters of Paul are fraudulent intrusion by Rome. So, you're in order.

FRANCISTOWN:

When I said it that time that the literal Jesus, as in the physical Jesus never lived. Many people came for me and called me names.

This thing is common sense, let's think about it.
Mark was said to be Peter's interpreter and I believe he must have helped in the writing of 1peter and 2 peter when Paul was in prison but, the first gospel of mark was written after the death of peter.

Why wasn't the life of Jesus written about when peter was alive?

James wrote the book of James at least 10 years before the first gospel(mark). Why didn't James write about the life of his dear master Jesus?

Paul was very learned and he wrote his letters before the first gospel. Why didn't Paul write about the events and the life of Jesus?

Many people believe that the letter of john were written long before the gospel of John was written. Why didnt he write about his master?

The reason is because the apostles were gnostic christains. They only believed in the concept of "Godlike man", "God in man" and the teachings of a supposed "God in human form". (Got from Egypt's ancient believe)

They didn't believe in the physical, bodily Jesus.

If you noticed? Apostle Paul wrote his letters at least 20 years before the book of acts was written, yet he never for once explained his encounter with Jesus, not even to his dearest spiritual son, Timothy.

Also it's important to note that, St. Luke who wrote the book of acts never mentioned that Apostle Paul saw the Jesus in flesh and blood, but that he saw a vision of Jesus.

The acts of the apostles was written after the death of Paul himself yet Paul himself never detailed that encounter in any of his letters.

Like I've said earlier. The historical Jesus didnt live as flesh and blood.

That's the reason the 4 gospels don't have the same exact accounts.

Thanks brother!!
You know exactly what you're talking about.

The early Christians believed in a kind of magico-mystical Christ (not a human being) just as other ancient cultures had believed thousands of years before anybody heard of Christianity. Indeed, that's why no Christian on planet earth can point to any place in the bible where Mark, Mathew, Luke, John claimed to have met Jesus, instead they wrote "Jesus said to his disciples" or "Jesus said to them" even when they were supposed to be the ones being talked to according to Christianity.

Jesus NEVER existed. Jesus as understood today is a construct of the Roman empire.

MaxInDHouse:

With this you've proved that you're not talking about any proof but you just don't want the truth about Jesus of Nazareth.

This is what i saw that i wanted to correct that impression:



So if you're now saying the Bible book of Peter is a fraud definitely what you want to here is that the Bible in complete is a fraud.

Thanks for your time and may you have PEACE!

Don't get me wrong.

The bible is not completely a fraud but partly a fraud. At least scholars never dispute Mark, Mathew, Luke as authentic first century AD document. The only book in question among the four is John.
John was written relatively recently by Rome so that "you may know that Jesus is God" It's right there in the beginning of the book of John. Rome had to do that because try as they want but no early Christian could buy the bullshit that Jesus is God.

Christianity began as an honest religion UNTIL the Roman empire entered the scene and began all the forgeries. These forgeries have been presented to you as facts, and because you have never researched history out of your church and religious tradition, you're doomed to believe the foolery because that's all you know. I can help with books on the history of Christianity.

Should you be interested in researching the true history of Christianity, email at kemeticphilosophy@gmail

MaxInDHouse:


I believe by now the OP can see that there is a disciple who stated the above so there's no need arguing further with anyone on the matter, Jesus is a real person who walked on this planet and was witnessed by several people!

Please, stop lying to people. I stayed out because I can't tolerate the amount of stupidity coming out from your team.

Nobody on this thread including YOU provided proof that Mark, Mathew, Luke, John met Jesus. The best you could present was the book of 2nd Peter. But the book of second Peter is a FRAUD. It's forgery!! I know you don't know but literary scholars (people like Wole Soyinka) have compared the writing style of first Peter and the writing style of second Peter, and they concluded that they were not written by the same person.

Second Peter was intruded into the early Christian books by the Roman empire to advocate for "submission" to authority. Who's authority? Rome!! As you submit to Jesus, so should you also submit to Rome. That was the reason behind the curtain. Scholars are well aware of that. That's why I kept Peter out of it. This doesn't mean that the book of first Peter is authentic either but just saying that both were not written by the same person.

Mark, Mathew, Luke, John NEVER claimed to have met Jesus.

Look at the topic of this thread again before you reply.

If Mark, Mathew, Luke, John ever met Jesus, they'll have said somewhere in their writing any of the following:-

"Jesus told me"

"Jesus said to me"

"I said to Jesus"

"I told Jesus"

"Me and Jesus"

"Jesus and myself "

"We and Jesus"

"I saw Jesus "

"We saw Jesus "

"We met Jesus "

"Jesus met me"

"I met Jesus "

"Jesus gave me"

"I gave Jesus "

"I went to see Jesus "

"Jesus came to see me"

"Jesus healed me"

"I was healed by Jesus"

Darevofpeace:


"My supervisor is in his early 60s, so it was super hard for me to start calling him by his name every time. This man is old enough to be my grandfather and he wants me to call him his first name. I’m getting more familiar with it, though.

One of the things I don’t like about being abroad is the fact that everybody minds their business. It is a double-edged sword. In Nigeria, you don’t like people being in your business, but sometimes, you actually need it.

Last year, I was sick. I had an emergency operation so I couldn’t go to work for about a week. I was in my house and the next thing, I was in the hospital, so I couldn’t inform anybody. Not a single person called or texted me. Not one. Not even the HR person.

I left a cup of coffee on my desk the day before the incident and when I came back one week after, I met it right there with mold in it. Sometimes, it gets really annoying in Nigeria when people put their noses in your business, but I’d rather have that than have nobody care at all.

I always like to say that if I died in my apartment, nobody would know until my body started smelling because even my rent would automatically pay itself from my account and the landlord wouldn’t care to check on me."

~ Source: Zikoko

There's actually a documentary on the last part. A lady died in a Western country (I forgot the name) and it took some years before people knew. The air conditioner was still working over the years and somehow she didn't smell. She was still sitting on her couch watching TV when they opened the door. And the TV was still on over the years!!

But I prefer to live that way.

jamesversion:
Came to visit the Boers. The Boers (Afrikaners) own South Africa. When the Boers arrived the Cape of Good Hope in 1652, there were no blacks in South Africa. The Black's migrated from Zimbabwe and Botswana many years after the Boers arrived. The Boers are the landlord of South Africa

You're spreading white supremacists conspiracy theory, which they have presented to us through so called education as "facts" and you're no longer interested in knowledge.

How could the Boers claim to be the first people in South Africa?

The audacity white people teach us lies is very worrying!!

Western scholarship itself acknowlege that one of the oldest African tribe, the Khoisans have been in Southern Africa for millenia. There are archeological sites of ancient black civilations in South Africa dating over 1,000 years!!

By the way, that king and princess are offsprings of rape. They're not the original blood line of the monarchy, in fact, all European monarchs are offsprings of rape, including the former queen of England and current Charles.

I am not making anything up, rather that's what their own history says. But that's the part they won't teach in school or brag about.

Dustbinbint:


So.would it make any difference if God is the creator of the program instead?

You must understand that I am buying time from less important things to reply to you. If I sense that your question is not genuine, I will turn to those things I deemed less important as they will now be more important.

I called it an illustration, and where is the contention? Or do you not know that an illustration is something that make a point more relatable and comprehensible?
Here is another illustration: do not animal owners kill their animals when they become so dangerous and unmanageable, or for food, or for clothing? Will you accuse them?


Now if you can kill a program you made by reason of its defectiveness, and if you kill an animal you own because if the danger it poses to you and others, can not God do the same to the things he created—living or not?

You're really pressing hard to make me believe that your God Jehovah Yahweh enjoys and, in fact, is responsible for all the anarchy, war, suffering and terrorism going on in the world.

Why should I worship such a fool who'll allow a terrorist bomb innocent people somewhere tomorrow?

Why should I worship a foolish God that would allow car accidents somewhere tomorrow?

Why should I worship a fool that would allow an earthquake to kill innocent people somewhere tomorrow?

Why should I worship a fool that would allow the roof of a building to collapse on top of people who would go to worship him somewhere tomorrow?

It must be that your God Jehovah enjoy seeing his creation suffer

Dustbinbint:


I won't read the book because I have extensively researched the bases for my beliefs. Now, I have given myself wholly into it because I am fully convinced it is true. So, I don't give much attention to those materials saying otherwise. In my experience, it is still a repetition of the same things I have examined.

But from the title I can sense that it's about the killings of the Canaanites that God commanded.
If I am right, my comprehensive reply to this will come still later.

For the meantime, though, here is a short illustration:

The owner of a program has the right to destroy it if it becomes corrupted by a virus, or if it has accomplished the reason it was created.
People can build majestic houses just to destroy them during a movie they are acting or for other valid reason.

If these things are THEIR property, can’t they do as they deem fit to them?

When did your God Jehovah become a human being? So, your God Jehovah is also as fallible as we humans? If so, why should I worship such a foolish God?

MaxInDHouse:


So have those people been able to relate with their fellow humans around the globe without using weapons against one another?

Ọmọ Jesus didn't come for people to be isolated from their neighbours in other countries he came to unite people throughout the earth just as Jehovah's Witnesses are doing globally in fulfilment of the prophecy written before his coming! Isaiah 2:2-4; Micah 4:1-3

That's what those who have enslaved your mind told you. But it's not true.

If China conquered the world like Europeans, they'll make the same claim about their son of God Confucius.

Dustbinbint:


Ah! So it's the things he did and the things he allowed?

We can take the “crimes” one after the other. Mention one of them.

If you're really interested, there's a book: Drunk with blood- by Steve Wells. It documents God's crimes in the bible.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8VN8xXYDPnk

Dustbinbint:


Ah! Is worldwide violence the reason?

Well, Jehovah gave us freewill. And in respect because of that, he doesn't interfere with our decisions by much. Just because some people choose to do such and such and the Bible recorded it doesn't mean God condoned it. The Bible also records the so-called good deeds of evil people. Certain God doesn't condone that.

The Bible is like the news report whose job is to report on things that are happening, not on things they like.

Just think, God's greatest commandment to us is that we should love him.
Are you really serving God out of love if he has to spell out everything you must do on the pain of capital punishment?
True love is shown by one's doing something because he WANTS to, and not because he is told to, forced to, or commanded to.

That is why God ALLOWED things to happen—bad or good.

Now, if God had created a perfect religion, humans wouldn't even meet it because we are not perfect. Take note of what Paul said about the Law of Moses: “The Law itself is holy, and the commandment is holy and righteous and good. . . The Law is spiritual.” (Romans 7:12, 14) The perfection of the Law is why it couldn't be kept by imperfect humans. (Psalms 19:7; Galatians 3:10)

Christianity is to be frank perfect too, it just has more allowances for human imperfections than the Law of Moses had.

You called Jehovah a fool? I want to know the reason for your grievances as to why you're calling a person a fool? Did he slight you?

Yes, I called Jehovah a fool.

Jehovah is a typo error, I believe by Germans who were trying to write the Jewish Yahweh.

You don't have to worry whether I left Christianity because I was offended. Yahweh's own crimes in the bible is enough for anyone not to believe him.

MaxInDHouse:


So when people from different backgrounds, different cultures, different social status come together to agree on what you call a myth to you all these millions were indoctrinated shey?

Well you've chosen your path but it can never change the fact that a first century Jewish young man named Jesus of Nazareth issued an order that people should stop raising weapons against their fellow humans {Matthew 26:52} and millions today from different geographical locations on this planet are obeying him as his true disciples. Act 1:8

Do you know what a commander means?

Well let me tell you a little about the army:
The aim of any army is to capture their victims alive not to kill them because that's the living proof that they're powerful, intelligent and skillful much more than their captives.

Since the world has been created Jesus of Nazareth is the first and last army commander who issued such order and today his order is still in force.

Without physical weapons or the use of force his disciples (Jehovah's Witnesses) have penetrated almost all the countries on this planet catching people alive {Luke 5:10} using what Jesus taught them to erase hatred from the hearts of their captives and not only that but making the captives more fighters for the battle Jesus Christ recruited them {Matthew 28:18-20} but what have you got to say after seeing all these with your own eyes?

"INDOCTRINATION"

Obviously you don't know the indepth meaning of that word because if you do you should know that people indoctrinated can't point out any benefit in what they're doing not to talk of an organization that's achieving what all other organizations ever formed by man has failed woefully to achieve!

Why do you think organizations like FIFA, OLYMPIC and many more were formed?
OK you just think they were formed simply for sports shey?
Ọmọ what is the essence of engaging in sport when my families back home are killing your families or vise versa?

For your information those organizations were formed to make peace reign among all the members, none as in NONE has ever achieved 1% of what Jesus' disciples are doing today globally.

So before using a word think deeply on it's meaning, indoctrination is far from what God's people are doing today!

Oh! You're a witness?

I attended Jehovah's witnesses church in my village as a kid, and even after leaving Christianity, I can admittedly say that you people have a good philosophy if only you can remove the Jesus mythology.

You don't need Jesus to know God or to be a good person. China and Japan are among the least corrupt countries in the world. They did it without Jesus.

Jesus is the God of slaves, God of defeated people. Were your ancestors conquered by another culture? That's why you believe in Jesus.

Dustbinbint:

Really, if Jesus hadn't given anyone the assignment to make disciples of people of all the nations, would anyone even undertake to do so? There is no contest here, and whatever you think is the answer to that, the forced conversion by some in the Roman times fulfilled a prophecy by Jesus and Paul.

In Matthew 13:24-30 and 36-39, Jesus indicated that at some point after the apostles’ death, Christianity would get corrupted and would remain that way for much of history, until the ‘end times.’—Acts 20:29, 30; 2 Peter 2:1, 2; see also 1 Timothy 4:1, 2; 2 Timothy 4:3, 4.

But during the time of the end, all things will be restored including true Christianity, (Acts 3:21) and they will once again seriously take on the commission to preach and teach and make disciples. The restoration of true Christianity in the time of the end is why the worldwide witnessing concerning the Kingdom of God is mentioned as a sign of the time of the end. It will be carried out by the restored organization of genuine disciples of Christ.—Matthew 24:3, 14.

Why would an all powerful God create a religion that would need restoration? What prevented such a fool from creating a perfect one in the first place?

And why would you trust such a fool that allowed people to kill innocent people around the world just so that he'll be known?

Dustbinbint:


The disciples who saw that were strictly ordered by Jesus to keep silent on that experience until after his resurrection.—Matthew 17:9.

I really want to know why you left Christianity to begin with.
If evidence is what you are seeking, it is SO abundant. In time, I will show them all to you, because I too have examined all bases for my beliefs. If on the other hand something else is responsible, perhaps the prevalence of wickedness, the hypocrisy of the churches, etc, we can discuss those as well.

The problem is that Jesus never existed. Or do you have any proof that Jesus existed? If you have, present it and I'll delete this thread and convert back to Christianity.

22jumpstreet1:


does Jesus need to exist before anything can be written about' him'?

I should be asking you!!

Does Okoronkwo have to exist before something could be written about him by Chinua Achebe?

Does spider man have to exist before something is written about him?

Does cat woman have to exist before something is written about her?

Does Rudolph the red-nosed reindeer have to exist before something is written about him?