22jumpstreet1:


does Jesus need to exist before anything can be written about' him'?

I should be asking you!!

Does Okoronkwo have to exist before something could be written about him by Chinua Achebe?

Does spider man have to exist before something is written about him?

Does cat woman have to exist before something is written about her?

Does Rudolph the red-nosed reindeer have to exist before something is written about him?

MaxInDHouse:


Critics can come up with a million excuses to contradict what was written in the Bible ọmọ all that is late now because you can't deny the existence of Wright Brothers while seeing the aeroplane they discovered just as nobody can explain how obedient people from different geographical locations on this planet came together to form one big and happy family of peace loving worshipers {Isaiah 2:2-4; Micah 4:1-3} while billions are still confused not aware of the reason why they have to continue fighting and killing one another simply because two men ordered them to go killing or get killed! Revelations 6:3-4

With JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES ORGANIZATION on this planet ọmọ no criticism against Jesus can stand anymore! Matthew 5:14-16

Bro, I already know your problem. Any indoctrination provides the victim the arguments to support itself.

Otherwise, a little history would tell you that if not for the Roman empire, nobody would know anything about your Jesus.

Jesus doesn't have to be a real person for Christianity to spread around the world. All it requires is the patronage of a powerful tyrant. Indeed, emperor Constantine filled that role

If Rome didn't employ Christianity as a common religion to govern their colonies, nobody would know about a Jesus. If people weren't killed, threatened, hanged, dehumanized for not accepting Christianity, it would have been a dead religion by now.

So, as far as the spread of Christianity beyond the Mediterranean goes, you should instead be thankful to the Roman empire, not Jesus, not Paul, or anyone else.

jaephoenix:

Those books were written well after the supposed time jesus was on earth. Go figure

But they were written by his followers, it doesn't matter how long before it was written

Maynman:

So he wasn't there, he just heard that Moses appeared too just as we are hearing
So which book did these 3 that were present write this INFORMATION/story, let's see how they wrote it, I am sure it'll be different from Matthew that WASN'T THERE.

Funny how you are proving the Op right

Of course, he can't show where they wrote it because it didn't happen. Period.

Even the one he showed saying "we" is a Greco-Roman forgery/edit into the bible. Unfortunately, he's not even aware there are many forgeries in the bible.

MaxInDHouse:


You can only argue where there is no evidence the proof that Jesus is a real historical figure is here today, you can imagine someone telling you that the Wright Brothers never existed and all the stories about them was cooked up when the world now have flying vessels carrying people from one continent to another would you swallow such criticism after seeing he aeroplane with your own eyes?
So if someone told you that all stories about gods and deities were cooked up you have reasons to believe such stories but not in this case where the disciples of Christ Jesus are zealously preaching and industriously teaching what he commanded throughout the earth as they keep on erasing the use of weapons in the hearts of millions from different geographical locations on this planet today! Act 1:8

So instead of this your preparedness to argue why not ask me why Jesus can't be erased from history?

There's no debate any place about the existence of the Wright brothers, so it's a meaningless comparison.

Neither would other mythical Gods from different parts of the world die.

The only Gods that would die are those from enslaved people/ lands.

MaxInDHouse:


Peter has answered your question in the Bible book of 2Peter 1:17

So there's no need for arguments as Peter said:

"For he received from God the Father honor and glory when words such as these were conveyed to him by the magnificent glory: “This is my Son, my beloved, whom I myself have approved.” Yes, these words we heard coming from heaven while we were with (Jesus) in the holy mountain"

If you have further questions feel free to ask thanks and may you have PEACE!

Peter didn't answer my question.

However, Peter actually showed how the original text was written in Greek.

You notice that Peter never mentioned Jesus? There's a reason for that.

The reason is that in the original pre-Septuagint/Greek translation from Hebrew/Aramaic, the scripts said "him" or "he" or "his" in place of Jesus because the original story was told with stock characterization to enable anybody or culture affix their own super hero. Greco-Romans filled in Jesus much later.

But the original scripts said he, him, his, NOT Jesus!!

The video below is from a former Jehovah's witnesses member who left the church to seek real enlightenment. He went to the online archives of the Greek script and couldn't find the name (Ioun) Jesus in the texts. He revealed a lot that could actually open your eyes and set you free

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WSIXYI4vgYU&pp

MaxInDHouse:


For he received from God the Father honour and glory, when there came such a voice to him from the excellent glory, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.
And this voice which came from heaven we heard, when we were with him (JESUS) in the holy mount.2 Peter 1:17-18 KJV
Compare to:

And after six days Jesus taketh Peter, James, and John his brother, and bringeth them up into an high mountain apart,
And was transfigured before them: and his face did shine as the sun, and his raiment was white as the light.
And, behold, there appeared unto them Moses and Elias talking with him.
Then answered Peter, and said unto Jesus, Lord, it is good for us to be here: if thou wilt, let us make here three tabernacles; one for thee, and one for Moses, and one for Elias.
While he yet spake, behold, a bright cloud overshadowed them: and behold a voice out of the cloud, which said, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased; hear ye him.
Matthew 17:1-5

So Matthew and John were eyewitnesses of what Jesus said, did and taught though they penned down their gospels some decades after Jesus' ascension to heaven but Peter here in his letter mentioned it that himself and two other disciples were with Jesus on the mountain when he was transfigured right in their presence.

You're shifting it to Mathew and John? Ok, show me where Matthew and John said:-

"Jesus told me"

"Jesus said to me"

"I said to Jesus"

"I told Jesus"

"Me and Jesus"

"Jesus and myself "

"We and Jesus"

"I saw Jesus "

"We saw Jesus "

"We met Jesus "

"Jesus met me"

"I met Jesus "

"Jesus gave me"

"I gave Jesus "

"I went to see Jesus "

"Jesus came to see me"

"Jesus healed me"

"I was healed by Jesus"

You can't find it because the event NEVER occurred. Rome was simply copying and re-writing a GENERIC story as it has always been told and retold for thousands of years before anybody heard of Jesus. All they did was affix Jesus's name and few other characters and scenes.

VikingKing:


You're taking about "Caesars Messiah", Right?

The book: Caesars Messiah revealed some part of it. There's another book specifically called "Jesus never existed" that talks about that.

For those interested in serious research- history and archeology, Jesus never existed has a scholarly website www.jesusneverexisted.com

The scholar made it a lifetime service debunking the lies, coverups and telling the real history

VikingKing:


If I give you definite proof that the book of John wasnt written by John the Apostle himself, you will pay me 20k. Deal? We will use a nairaland escrow to hold both mine and yours so there wouldn't be any fowl play.

Mark, Mathew, Luke, John NEVER even existed. All the names were invented and appended to the texts by the Roman empire.

This includes the so called letters of Paul. When Rome saw letters talking to a certain people, they just gave it a name. Example; Hebrews, Galatians, etc

CrystalBliss:


I'm not here to argue with you or show you where any eyewitness said any of those things above. I'm here to let your see the fault in your logic. I've quoted from the writings of Peter and John. Peter even described the Transfiguration event and expressly said "We were eye witnesses of His Majesty." The disciples wrote in John 24 to tell us that John himself was the writer of the book. Someone has showed you 1John 1 where John wrote that they have written that which their eyes have seen and their hands have handled. It's left to you. Bye.

All the stories were concocted by the Roman empire!! The event NEVER occurred!!

If someone witnessed it, they won't use third person pronoun, rather they'll use words like "me" "we", "us". They won't have said "Jesus and his disciples" because the author is supposed to have been with Jesus and would have witnessed the event.

Think!! Brother think!!

CrystalBliss:


You're ignorant. Luke was a disciple of Paul. He became a Christian through Paul's preaching.

Fine.
Show me where the supposed eyewitnesses said:-

"Jesus told me"

"Jesus said to me"

"I said to Jesus"

"I told Jesus"

"Me and Jesus"

"Jesus and myself "

"We and Jesus"

"I saw Jesus "

"We saw Jesus "

"We met Jesus "

"Jesus met me"

"I met Jesus "

"Jesus gave me"

"I gave Jesus "

"I went to see Jesus "

"Jesus came to see me"

"Jesus healed me"

"I was healed by Jesus"

CrystalBliss:


Luke wasn't an eye witness. He wasn't one of the 12 disciples. That of John was different. He was a witness. Dispute that.

Is Luke no longer a disciple of Jesus? From when?

CrystalBliss:


The Bible Writers wrote in reported speech because they never wanted to draw attention to themselves. Did you see "Jesus called me", "Jesus healed me' etc in the Gospel of John? No. Does that mean John didn't write that book? No.

After John finished the writing of his book, other disciples such as Peter, Janes, etc appended their approval in verse 24. Follow the narration below and take a look at verse 24. Tell me why John wrote everything in reported speech when he was the same disciple described as "The disciple whom Jesus loved" in the rest of the book. Why didn't he simply say "And I did this and that "And He asked me to do this and that" etc.

John 21:20-25

"20 Peter turned and saw that the disciple whom Jesus loved was following them. (This was the one who had leaned back against Jesus at the supper and had said, “Lord, who is going to betray you?”) 21 When Peter saw him, he asked, “Lord, what about him?”

22 Jesus answered, “If I want him to remain alive until I return, what is that to you? You must follow me.” 23 Because of this, the rumor spread among the believers that this disciple would not die. But Jesus did not say that he would not die; he only said, “If I want him to remain alive until I return, what is that to you?”

24 This is the disciple who testifies to these things and who wrote them down. We know that his testimony is true.

25 Jesus did many other things as well. If every one of them were written down, I suppose that even the whole world would not have room for the books that would be written.

Yes, the new testament authors wrote in reported manner like a journalist reporting an event he/she never witnessed. It's fine you at least know that because many Christians don't.

However, it wasn't because they were scared, rather it was because they were reporting an event that they (themselves) were never an eyewitness to, in fact, Luke actually made it clear in the first chapter, saying that the story he was narrating "were handed down to us by those who from the first were eyewitnesses". But Christians are so blind they don't see it!!

The above shows that Luke never met Jesus, neither did Mark, Mathew, John.

The story of Jesus is an ancient story told before anybody heard of Jesus. Rome simply copied from the ancient scripts, edited, and published.

CrystalBliss:


2 Peter 1:16-18

For we did not follow cleverly devised stories when we told you about the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ in power, but we were eyewitnesses of his majesty. He received honor and glory from God the Father when the voice came to him from the Majestic Glory, saying, “This is my Son, whom I love; with him I am well pleased." We ourselves heard this voice that came from heaven when we were with him on the sacred mountain.

I don't know why you're making it difficult for yourself.

Show me any place in the bible where Peter or some other author wrote:-

"Jesus told me"

"Jesus said to me"

"I said to Jesus"

"I told Jesus"

"Me and Jesus"

"Jesus and myself "

"We and Jesus"

"I saw Jesus "

"We saw Jesus "

"We met Jesus "

"Jesus met me"

"I met Jesus "

"Jesus gave me"

"I gave Jesus "

"I went to see Jesus "

"Jesus came to see me"

"Jesus healed me"

"I was healed by Jesus"

If Peter was writing an actual event that he witnessed, he would have used those phrases.

harqinhola:


I’m not a Christian but I can bet #130k that you are high as Bleep . I know that feeling .

How does that answer the question posed here?

FarmBusinessNG:
Devil has already captured this one.

How does that answer the question posed here?

Samunique:
1 John 1:1 KJV
That which was from the beginning, which we have heard, which we have seen with our eyes, which we have looked upon, and our hands have handled, of the Word of life;


John 9:8-11 KJV
The neighbours therefore, and they which before had seen him that he was blind, said, Is not this he that sat and begged? [9] Some said, This is he: others said, He is like him: but he said, I am he. [10] Therefore said they unto him, How were thine eyes opened? [11] He answered and said, A man that is called Jesus made clay, and anointed mine eyes, and said unto me, Go to the pool of Siloam, and wash: and I went and washed, and I received sight.


Revelation 1:11,17-20 KJV
Saying, I am Alpha and Omega, the first and the last: and, What thou seest, write in a book, and send it unto the seven churches which are in Asia; unto Ephesus, and unto Smyrna, and unto Pergamos, and unto Thyatira, and unto Sardis, and unto Philadelphia, and unto Laodicea. [17] And when I saw him, I fell at his feet as dead. And he laid his right hand upon me, saying unto me, Fear not; I am the first and the last: [18] I am he that liveth, and was dead; and, behold, I am alive for evermore, Amen; and have the keys of hell and of death. [19] Write the things which thou hast seen, and the things which are, and the things which shall be hereafter; [20] The mystery of the seven stars which thou sawest in my right hand, and the seven golden candlesticks. The seven stars are the angels of the seven churches: and the seven candlesticks which thou sawest are the seven churches.


OP Jesus is real !

Do these answer your questions ?

No, you didn't answer my question. It's rather a simple question, so I don't know why you decided to make it difficult for yourself

harqinhola:
Who is your colos and loud plug . Share his contact , I need to get to this highness level.

Such a noise is unnecessary.

What are you waiting for before you prove me wrong?

VikingKing:


I'll add 30k to that 100k.


Cc: Musicwriter

Guys, the bet money has risen to N130k

Hahahahah!!

illicit:
Are you serious about the 100k

Yes, I am serious.

In fact, Seun, Myndd can delete my account if I fail to fulfill

One good thing that would happen to you if you quit Christianity or any other religion is that your eyes will open wide and you'll see clearly, in fact, you'll actually begin to understand what the bible is saying when you quit Christianity. What an irony!

Many people reading the bible don't understand that nobody in history met Jesus, including his so called disciples.

Mark, Luke, Mathew, John NEVER met Jesus!! Non even existed.

If you argue otherwise, then show me where in the bible where Mark or Mathew or Luke or John claimed to have met Jesus.

Nobody in history or in the bible claimed to have had any contact with Jesus.

You know why? Because Jesus is mythology, not a human being, and it was well understood among the ancients that any place "Jesus said" in the bible was an ancient template for anybody, any culture to write their own mythical savior/hero story in their image.

Jesus was never meant to be taken as a human being even among the earliest christians- the gnostics.

Again, Mark, Mathew, Luke, John NEVER claimed to have met Jesus. They simply reported a story as it was already told thousands of years before anybody heard of Jesus. That's why they always said "Jesus said to them" not "Jesus said to us". Even when Mathew who was supposedly a disciple of Jesus was writing, but he wrote "Jesus said to Mathew" not "Jesus said to me". But Christians aren't seeing it!! To be a Christian is to be spiritually BLIND.

If you think you know your bible better than I do, I am ready to take a bet with you.

I'll send N100,000 to your bank account if you show me any place where the bible said any of the quotes below:-

"Jesus told me"

"Jesus said to me"

"I said to Jesus"

"I told Jesus"

"Me and Jesus"

"Jesus and myself "

"We and Jesus"

"I saw Jesus "

"We saw Jesus "

"We met Jesus "

"Jesus met me"

"I met Jesus "

"Jesus gave me"

"I gave Jesus "

"I went to see Jesus "

"Jesus came to see me"

"Jesus healed me"

"I was healed by Jesus"

Mark, Luke, Mathew, John NEVER met Jesus!! Mark, Luke, Mathew, John like Jesus, NEVER even existed! They were all invented by Rome.

The dumbest thing I've ever done in my life was to be a Christian.

to remember service personnel who have made the ultimate sacrifice in the line of duty to ensure that we live in a safer world

The above is actually a mockery! Africans were forcefully abducted to a war we didn't bargain for, a war we knew nothing about it's cause.

And below is what they're not telling you.

1. After the war, Britain abandoned the African soldiers in Burma and evacuated only the white soldiers. Before you defend your white masters, look for the video on YouTube.

2. During the war, the African soldiers were not fed. They ate raw meat, in fact, Adolf Hitler used to mock Britain and France for "fighting along their slaves". Before you defend your white masters, look for the video on YouTube.

3. Britain refused to pay gratuity and upkeep money to the survivors. France paid some

4. This strategy of using African soldiers to defeat another part of Africa wasn't new. That's exactly how they acquired their slaves- using one African tribe against another. Then, later blamed you for selling yourselves into slavery.

delpee:


Have you tried the library at St Agnes area on Murtala Muhammed Way, Yaba? It's between Sabo and Unilag junction and beside the Catholic girl's school. I think it's a Lagos/GTB sponsored Library.

Ok, thanks.
I'll check

2pacamarushakur:

There is one at ilupeju, the road that link through GSK company

Ok, thanks.
Do you know their charges? Can one read on their computer?

I wish I lived near that place. Need a library badly to finish my book.
On Friday I went to Yabatech to make enquiry but they said, and I saw that their library is under construction. Went to UNILAG but it's only for their students and staff.
Then, went to nearby Cafe one at e-center but they're charging N2,500 a day or N250,000 for six months, which is really what I want. But then, they were playing music there!!

Ogaonos:
it wouldnt wrk it was tried before nd failed.u can only do dt in sch in d villages hw by making d native lang primary lang ie using ijaw lang to teach teach math science subject etc in sch in ijaw villages such will be very effective d north

They probably did it the wrong way, that's why it couldn't work.

They can borrow ideas from other cultures who successfully did that in the past. Example; England.

England (and the other islands now commonly called Britain) were enslaved by Greece, Rome, Scandinavians, France, etc for over 500 years. Each time they were under slavery/colonialism they spoke the language of the colonizer.

Fast forward........ they eventually got their independence.

In 1348, English replaced Latin and Greek as the language of instruction in schools in Britain. But they didn't begin with all the subjects in school, instead they started with ART subjects first. Art subjects are easier, the words are readily available or could be easily coined.

It took them more than 200 years to replace science subjects too because they were mostly in Greek, in fact, many science words in English today are still in Greek.

Our native languages must be vigorously used for learning, literature, all arts, first. That would pave the way to other tasks ahead.

Timoleon:


People don’t get this thing you just said which is the truth. I still posted something similar recently. For the most part, our existence especially as adults is not hinged on being fluent in the local dialects. Getting a job often requires fluency in foreign language and proficiency in using their tools (machines and tech) whose manuals are of course not written in our local languages.

We have to engineer ways by which our productivity and sufficiency are intertwined with our use of indigenous language.

The solution is simple.
Our native languages must be made compulsory in school. They have to be vigorously used for literature. They have to be used to learn sciences too.
Just replace everything we do in English today back to our native languages. Only then shall it be intertwined with our lives as it was before our unfortunate encounter with white people.
And when that happens, that's when we'll be free, indeed.

MorataFC:
Are you not guilty of the same thing?
Why write your writeup in English, why not IJAW? or any other indigenous language.

Did he drop off from the moon? Or was he supposed to invent a new language just to talk to you?

Of course, he went to school like you, learned the English language like you, probably even better. But he's curious enough to understand that something is wrong. But you don't. That's the difference.

That's the true legacy of Soyinka and Achebe, exactly what white people wanted to use them for after the so called independence. And until a more intelligent generation overturn it, the black race is doomed.

Fizalis:


Wow! You are ful of knowledge and a master of communication and relay of your ideas. Are you a professor, cos you seam to be overflowing with knowledge that's beyond my scope currently.

The translation model for new words is a fantastic idea and practical too. New words no matter how mechanical they sound initially becomes natural with constant use.

Thank you so much Sir. Please feel free to enlighten me the more on this subject matter.

You've just touched a very important point that every African and all the other lands enslaved by Europeans should know.

Yes, if we keep using those mechanical words it would become normal but not natural. There's a difference between being normal and being natural.

However, it would eventually replace the natural way that the coining of new words should happen. But there's a danger.

The danger is that after long use, it would, indeed, override the organic thought algorithm (follow-come) of thinking in our native language. The algorithm of thought would be replaced with a fake and the fake would become natural. Therefore, thought would completely be colonized. You can call it original-fake. At that point, whoever gave you that language can manipulate you as he/she wants and you'll have no way to know that you're being controlled.

That's the real danger we face on the African continent that nobody is talking about. It's already happening!! And that's how and why white people exploit us and would continue to exploit us.

That's the whole point of making sure that someone speak and write in his her/her native language because it maintains you in control of your reality and in your natural self.

If we keep going the way we're going today and keep taking the English language as if our lives depend of it, we'll eventually be re-enslaved because the English language to our psyche is like that science words MODEL, which you and I now use to process our thoughts, instead of our native language which is the REAL thing.

If we keep going this way, our descendants would be in the worst type of mental slavery, manipulation, exploitation.
And worst, they won't know how to get back to our native language in order to reclaim their natural minds (thought pattern) to save themselves. So, there'll be enslaved FOREVER.

I've been researching this topic throughout my adult life and indeed has written a book on it. Read the PDF version of the link on my signature, you'll get the full scope.

No, I am an autodidact, I am a kind of off-grid scholar. Most of my education happened to me while teaching myself.

Fizalis:


Bro thanks for the new insight with regards to the lack of words for some scientific terminologies experience by the Senegalese physicist.

I'll screenshot your reply to enable me read more about him.

But don't you think we can still have a hybrid of English and local language for these scientific translations? We leave those terms that doesn't have words in our native language as they are but use Igbo for explanations and simple words.

I'm Igbo and would love to be a pioneer of Igbo based scientific books.

That's a fantastic idea!

The way the Chinese and Japanese solved that problem is that they first developed a MODEL for translating Western scientific words into Chinese and Japanese, respectively- such that whatever new scientific word they couldn't find in their language, they simply use that model to create new word for it. That would be a short cut instead of starting from kindergarten, although the words that would be created may be too mechanical instead of natural. But that's a different discussion.

Let me say, nobody is advocating to ban English language as it's an essential language in the world we live in today. But it's a culture made up with human being like ourselves that achieved that feat. A linguist friend of mine, Noam Chomsky, told me that ALL languages are equal and the same. I wish I could show you what I asked him and what he replied. If you want I can screenshot it.

When we prioritize our native languages in school, English would become a subject you can choose to study or not. That's the way it's done in China, Russia, Japan.
Only those interested in English language should study it.

You may have an African William Shakespeare or J.K Rollings in Igbo, Yoruba, Hausa, Gikuyu, Shona, Wolof, etc. But under the present system of education, we'll NEVER be able to discover them!! Many literary giants have died unknown simply because we've accepted someone's language.

A child may be very good in writing Igbo but not good in English. A child may be very good in writing Yoruba but not good in English, etc.

Again, how to begin is to prioritize our native languages in school or create a model for translation as I said earlier. It should be compulsory to get a credit in our native languages, then at least a pass in English. That's actually how it should be if we're in our right state of mind.

blueAgent:


Rubbish.

Quit smoking dey weed.

There you're!!
A nation made up with comfortable slaves/people like you is doomed.

As we Africans were the first people to inhabit the world, we are the originators of what would later be called science and technology...... even God, language, learning, etc.
The problem is that everything we invented has been used to enslave us, such that we no longer know our powers.