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ifeness:
So where exactly can I find the Tomb?

ifeness:
But with so many private jets flying around, I can imagine how it is not about money.

ifeness:
A zombie got up and first thing was to fold his cover cloth

ifeness:
The story teller messed up there. He should have hired Shakespeare.

Yellowson:
I smell critics OP

koife:
They have their opinion to make

BERNIMOORE:
bolded below in your response Affirm my point Already;

BERNIMOORE:
The question again is 'did bible directly call satan an arch-Angel?
No! you want us to believe that because satan has angels 'followers' means that he is an arch-Angel, hence 2 Corinthians 12:7

BERNIMOORE:
Another Translation used 'masquerades as an angel' so when you 'disguise' or 'masquerades' as a lion you are already a lion in 'essence' get a life my brother that verse does more damage to your strawman's claim you already have a drum rolling

BERNIMOORE:
i guess you have to stop dancing now due to the expose

BERNIMOORE:
Que(3)Can we conclude that Jesus was an Arch-Angel? Using same analogy in 2 Corinthians 12:7

johnw74:
Where in the Bible does it say Satan was once a glorious angel in Heaven?

“Thou wast created.” Ezekiel 28:13, 15. “Thou art the anointed cherub that covereth.” Ezekiel 28:14. “Thou sealest up the sum, full of wisdom, and perfect in beauty … every precious stone was thy covering … the workmanship of thy tabrets and of thy pipes was prepared in thee in the day that thou wast created. … Thou wast perfect in thy ways from the day that thou wast created, till iniquity was found in thee.” Ezekiel 28:12-15.

Lucifer was created by God, as were all the other angels (Ephesians 3:9). Lucifer was a “covering” cherub.

johnw74:
There was one great angel that stands on the left side of God’s throne and another on the right (Psalms 99:1) Lucifer was one of those highly exalted angel leader

BERNIMOORE:
@MuttleyLaff

thank you for responding to my old post

BERNIMOORE:
but then i will appreciate if your intention is not to change or divert us from the original topic

BERNIMOORE:
which is about
(1) 'showing a verse where satan was directly called an angel without 'juxtaposing' in anywaywhatsoever!

BERNIMOORE:
all your post has failed to achieve that!

BERNIMOORE:
and now you brought this post below which seem to divert us from the issue

BERNIMOORE:
(2)Again show a verse where satan was 'pronounced' an archangel as you stated or opined in your post below;

BERNIMOORE:
i am expecting answers to 1 and 2 above 'with Direct bible verses' in your response, thanks

Angel is a task not a different form/nature but apply to both human and spirit sons of God
the word itself Angel was derived from latin, which means messenger,
it was'nt limiting this to only spirit beign but also human

Yes of course, john is 1, human by default, and/messenger, angel, but spirit sons of God, also known as angels/messenger are spirits who falls under the 2, supernatural spirit/form by default, the same invincible form with God was known.

then we have 2 categories of forms:
1, visible
2, invicible

there is no other default form called angels form outside this 2 above

https://www.nairaland.com/1534486/jesus-gods-servant-heaven-first

Hiswordxray:
We all know that Christians have a lot of traditions and doctrines. Although many of our traditions had been attacked and changed, there are still some core traditions remaining unchanged.

Hiswordxray:
There had been this search for the right doctrine. Many Christian leaders have launched out into the Bible searching for the correct doctrines like hunters hunting for meat.

Hiswordxray:
This agitation is driven by the fear that the wrong doctrine would take us to hell. Oh, how Christians have little idea of what would take them to hell or heaven. The truth is that the concept of traditions and doctrines to a carnal man is different from that of a spiritual man. But many Christians are carnal, so they look at traditions and doctrines through the eyes of a carnal man.

Hiswordxray:
The question is, are we suppose to have traditions as Christians?

Hiswordxray:
What is the root of traditions?

Hiswordxray:
We need to become spiritual, yes we need to return to the true tradition and doctrine of Christ.

ATMC:
Gerarahere!!

ATMC:
You interest me

ATMC:
Throw more light pls.

paulGrundy:
Muttylaff=BERNIMORE=truthislight=loveroftruth?



I always knew something was fishy.

Tjayjosh:
...The bible never specifically stated if satan was an ex-archangel. We only know, he was called a cherub.

truthislight:
Here(in Nairaland), we do appreciate evidence,
like quoting what you are referring to to buttress your point and drive home your msg, hence, our minds will not be running halter skelter.

truthislight:
So, where does the above referenced abuse mentioned by you took place?

Jozzy4:
Off-topic , re-read the thread title and content

Jozzy4:
@ Mutteylaff
What exactly is your point ?

BERNIMOORE:
satan was not mentioned in the bible to be 'an angel' by default or originally (i dont mean metaphorial usages), and if you can show me where it was mentioned that satan was created an angel, show it pls.

satan knew jesus 'only as Gods son' and NOT GOD ALMIGHTY HIMSELF!(trinitarians should note that before muddling jesus as God Almighty himself)

Mathew 4: 6........... and said to Him, “If You are the Son of God, throw Yourself down.

Again;
Mathew 4:8-9;
8 Again, the devil took Him up on an exceedingly high mountain, and showed Him all the kingdoms of the world and their glory.
9 And he said to Him, “All these things I will give You if You will fall down and worship me.”

but jesus told satan to worship God in heaven and NOT JESUS HIMSELF.

Satan is a powerful beign and was even reffered as 'god'/God of this world(hebrew words does not recognise uppercase/lowercase in the use of god/God.) in the book of john.

BERNIMOORE:
now,
show me in the bible with strong verses DIRECTLY where satan was said to be 'an angel' by default or originally
constructive comments pls

BERNIMOORE:
Jesus was called God's son,

hebrew 1:5;

“You are My Son,
Today I have begotten You”

the Angels too are called 'God's son' in genesis, and even when Gods angels gathered satan was present but the phrase 'sons of God' was not used to describe satan

so, jesus and angels share beign called 'Gods son' moreover 'an angel of his presence' was said to be people's redeemer and savior

isaiah 63:9
9 In all their affliction He was afflicted,
And the Angel of His Presence saved them;
In His love and in His pity He redeemed them;
And He bore them and carried them
All the days of old

was satan reffered to as an angel by default in the bible?, prove it, if you believe that jesus was did not pre-exist as angel in heaven

plappville:
Thank you for taking your time.

plappville:
No further argument.

plappville:
May God help us all.

johnw74:
They don't understand that CHRIST is not a follower of Himself
followers of CHRIST are called CHRIST-ians
they follow Jesus who is the CHRIST

johnw74:
But that's too difficult for the confused Muttley to understand.

plappville:
You are right there is no scripture to prove the apostles called themselves "Christian" just as you stated up there. That's how I understood it to be too.

plappville:
But would it be a sin if the a Christian call another Christian ''{CHRISTIAN}''?

plappville:
Will this be an obstacle to one's salvation?

plappville:
I think we focus too much on non important issues than the Important. That's why too much division in the body.

Kudducini:
Chai Another Proof Jesus Was Not A Christain + There Is Nothing Like Christianity

Xo Christianity Is False??

Xo Islam Is False??
Chai These People Ehn Na Wetin Make Me Join Nairaland Oh Chai Xo Xo Confusing

I Saw Some Posts That Verified There Was Nothing Like Xtianity

Cos Jesus Never Called Himself A Christain

johnw74:
I agree with you that you are not known by God Almighty as a "Christian"

johnw74:
side note:
Q. what would a person haveing a picture of the moronic Anonymous hackers for their profile picture have in common with God

A. probably nothing

johnw74:
MuttleyLaff, Try and understand, I don't care that you don't like the word "Christian"

johnw74:
The saved are happy to be called CHRISTian after CHRIST
and then there are many outside of this group that are not happy to be called CHRISTian after CHRIST

johnw74:
No the early believers or disciples didn't call each other:- "hey there elect",
"how you going apostle"
"I'm okay saint"

they called each other by their names.

johnw74:
First you say I said something that I didn't say,

johnw74:
and then you based an argument on that which I didn't say,

johnw74:
now you say I wouldn't dare say that, and you rest your case

johnw74:
There seems something wrong with you,

johnw74:
I know you say you are not Christian,
which might be the reason for all of your confusion

johnw74:
Many people think they know it all

johnw74:
but unless they do, they just look foolish

johnw74:
You are much confused

johnw74:
post quote where I said that
Paul, the Apostles, early believers, disciples or saints, called themselves Christians

johnw74:
I'm happy to be called Christian after my Lord Jesus Christ
and I'm happy to call others of faith in Jesus Christ Christians
after our Lord Jesus Christ.

johnw74:
If you have a different Lord then call yourself differently

johnw74:
What does that matter,

johnw74:
those who have faith in Jesus Christ became known as Christians,

johnw74:
and faith in Jesus Christ is the only way to salvation.

Act_4:12 Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved.

2Ti_3:15 And that from a child thou hast known the holy scriptures, which are able to make thee wise unto salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus.

Tit_2:11 For the grace of God that bringeth salvation hath appeared to all men,

plappville:
You and this your negro/nigger issue na India film oo. grin

plappville:
You never finish am with @OLAADEGBU since

plappville:
You be White?

Paulpaulpaul:
There I discovered that I had missed something.
Some of us are what we are because of whom our parents were.
Jesus was not a Christian, then what religion did he practised? Judaism, maybe

johnw74:
Jesus is the Christ
His disciples-followers are Christians

johnw74:
Act_11:26 And when he had found him, he brought him unto Antioch. And it came to pass, that a whole year they assembled themselves with the church, and taught much people. And the disciples were called Christians first in Antioch.

plappville:
Yes Jésus was never called a Christian but his disciples were. We are his disciples too. Christian is doing/acting like Christ.

sunntrost:
“When Jesus had received the sour wine, he said, ‘It is finished!’ And bowing his head, he gave up his spirit.” (John 19:30)

sunntrost:
It is finished with what? What exactly did Jesus achieve in three years of ministry? How many people were saved? How many were healed?

sunntrost:
Jesus’ entire ministry did not go beyond a 200-mile radius. Jesus never came to Africa or to the Americas or to Australia.

sunntrost:
At the end of his ministry, many remained sick.

sunntrost:
Many remained untouched. Most rejected his gospel.

sunntrost:
The Jews remained Jewish

sunntrost:
The Romans crucified him

sunntrost:
John the Baptist proclaimed Jesus as: “the Lamb who takes away the sin of the world.” (John 1:29). However, at the end of his ministry, the world remained mired in sin. Murderers continued to kill; liars continued to tell lies; armed robbers continued to pillage; “pen robbers” continued to defraud.

sunntrost:
Clearly, Jesus’ ministry can be labelled a failure

sunntrost:
simplistically because his right-hand man betrayed him, all his disciples deserted him, and the Jews, the very people he came for, asked for him to be crucified.

sunntrost:
So what did Jesus mean by saying: “It is finished?”

feedthenation:
https://www.facebook.com/tomarra.burns/videos/10200880103162632/
Paula White, Kenneth Copeland, Clarence McClendon and More Praying Over Donald Trump and Asking For Black Leader To Help Him.

Goshen360:
Smh!!!

plappville:
(You are answering question with questions. I wanted an answer not question.)

plappville:
( OK, sounds like the mystery operation of the Holy Ghost in the new birth.)

plappville:
(How sure are you Nicodemus was already born of the Spirit when he asked if A MAN SHOULD GO INTO HIS MOTHER'S WOMB A SECOND TIME. The Spirit reveals to the Spirit. Clearly, we can see that Nicodemus didn’t know what Jesus was talking about. How then did He see through?)

plappville:
To see through and enter. We must be born again.)

plappville:
There are several occasions in the bible where prophets saw through. This is not the case here.

plappville:
◄ John 3:3 ►
Jesus answered and said to him, Truly, truly, I say to you, EXCEPT a man be born again, he CANNOT "see" the kingdom of God

plappville:
◄ John 3:5 ►
Jesus answered, Truly, truly, I say to you, EXCEPT a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he CANNOT "enter" into the kingdom of God.

dolphinheart:
Yes, as said before, Jesus went down to hades. He died.

dolphinheart:
As said earlier, I do not agree or belief that Jesus preached their (in hades), and added scriptures to support my beliefs.

dolphinheart:
Hades is the common transliteration into English of the corresponding Greek word haiʹdes. It perhaps means “the unseen place.”
In all, the word “Hades” occurs ten times in the earliest manuscripts of the Christian Greek Scriptures
The King James Version translates haiʹdes as “hell” in these texts, but the Revised Standard Version renders it “Hades,” with the exception of Matthew 16:18, where “powers of death” is used, though the footnote reads “gates of Hades. “Hades” rather than “hell” is used in many modern translations.

The Greek Septuagint translation of the Hebrew Scriptures (from Genesis to Malachi) uses the word “Hades” 73 times, employing it 60 times to translate the Hebrew word sheʼohlʹ, commonly rendered “Sheol.” The writer of Acts, definitely showed Hades to be the Greek equivalent of Sheol when he translated Peter’s quotation from Psalm 16:10. (Ac 2:27)

In all but two cases in which the word Hades is used in the Christian Greek Scriptures it is related to death, either in the verse itself or in the immediate context. Hades does not refer to a single grave (Gr., taʹphos), or to a single tomb (Gr., mneʹma), or toa single memorial tomb (Gr., mne·meiʹon), but to the common grave of mankind, where the dead and buried ones are unseen. It thus signifies the same as the corresponding word “Sheol,” and an examination of its use in all its ten occurrences bears out this fact. (go check the occurence of "hades" and "sheol".note: one is Greek and the other hebrew word)

The sea (which at times serves as a watery grave for some) is mentioned in addition to Hades (the common earthen grave), for the purpose of stressing the inclusiveness of all such dead ones when Revelation 20:13, 14 says that the sea, death, and Hades are to give up or be emptied of the dead in them.( note, it said hades, if hades is a part of sheol, this verse does not include the other part their.) Thereafter, death and Hades (but not the sea) are cast into “the lake of fire,” “the second death.” They thereby figuratively ‘die out’ of existence, and this signifies the end of Hades (Sheol), the common grave of mankind, as well as of death inherited through Adam.

dolphinheart:
there was/is no "preach in hades"

dolphinheart:
Using the rich mans quest to change his situation does not answer, solve or change my statement

dolphinheart:
My statement is "unless we belief that their is a possibility of those in Hades repenting and thus they can change their destination".

dolphinheart:
Now is there a possibility for them to repent and change their condition in hades?, do you have a scriptural example of someone successfully achieving this?

dolphinheart:
That someone is said to try vigorously does not mean it is possible

dolphinheart:
And if its not possible to repent in hades and change ones flight plan, why the preaching then!

dolphinheart:
1. Bro, I believe we are discussing and not trying to make a point by any means. the scripture you quoted does not negate my explanation on 1 peter 4 :6

dolphinheart:
After you have checked this out (what the verse said), we can then "gnaw"(look) into what that verse is telling us.(understanding and meaning)

dolphinheart:
Since Hades refers to the common grave of mankind, a place rather than a condition, Jesus entered within “the gates of Hades” when buried by Joseph of Arimathea. On Pentecost of 33 C.E., Peter said of Christ: “Neither was he forsaken in Hades nor did his flesh see corruption. This Jesus God resurrected, of which fact we are all witnesses.” ( Ac 2:25-27, 29-32; Ps 16:10) Whereas “the gates of Hades” ( Mt 16:18) were still holding David within their domain in Peter’s day ( Ac 2:29), they had swung open for Christ Jesus when his Father resurrected him out of Hades.
Thereafter, through the power of the resurrection given him (Joh 5:21-30), Jesus is the Holder of “the keys of death and of Hades.”— Re 1:17, 18.

dolphinheart:
So as the verse did not say so

dolphinheart:
we should likewise not imply so

dolphinheart:
They were not obtained by means of abracadabra.

dolphinheart:
They were obtained by the power of resurrection, the ability to bring one out (opening the gates for someone to come out) of hades.

dolphinheart:
According to the illustration, he died.

dolphinheart:
1. Does The verse say that Jesus went to hades to preach to the dead. No!.

dolphinheart:
2 we cannot have a belief that Jesus went to Hades to preach to the dead

dolphinheart:
unless we belief that their is a possibility of those in Hades repenting and thus they can change their destination[/b] (following ur explanation)

dolphinheart:
3 so what do we learn from those verses:
Peter called them dead because were ‘dead in trespasses and sins’ before hearing the gospel but would begin to ‘live’ spiritually because of faith in the good news.

dolphinheart:
Bro, Jesus has the key of death and of sheol

dolphinheart:
The verse did not say he got these key in hades or abrahams bosom or sheol or hell

EnigmAries:
Did you just say hades is a part of sheol? I give up.

EnigmAries:
Ecclesiastes 9:10 states: “There is no work nor planning nor knowledge nor wisdom in the Grave [Sheol], where you are going.” This doesn't mean that Sheol refers to a specific, or individual, grave site where we may have buried a loved one.

EnigmAries:
When the Bible refers to a specific burial place, or grave, it uses other Hebrew and Greek words, not sheohl and haides.( Genesis 23:7-9; Matthew 28:1) Also, the Bible does not use the word “Sheol” for a grave where several individuals are buried together, such as a family grave or a mass grave.— Genesis 49:30, 31.
Sheol has already swallowed, so to speak, countless dead people, it always seems to hunger for more. (Proverbs 30:15, 16) Unlike any literal burial site, which can hold only a limited number of the dead, ‘the Grave is never satisfied.’ ( Proverbs 27:20) That is, Sheol never becomes full. It has no limits. Sheol, or Hades, is thus not a literal place in a specific location. Rather, it is the common grave of dead mankind, the figurative location where most of mankind sleep in death.

The Bible teaching of the resurrection helps us to gain further insight into the meaning of “Sheol” and “Hades.” The Bible associates Sheol and Hades with the sort of death from which there will be a resurrection. *( Job 14:13; Acts 2:31; Revelation 20:13) It also shows that those in Sheol, or Hades, include not only those who have served God but also many who have not served him. ( Genesis 37:35; Psalm 55:15) Therefore, the Bible teaches that there will be “a resurrection of both the righteous and the unrighteous.”— Acts 24:15

EnigmAries:
It will make much sense to you realise that Man does not have any soul/spirit that lives after him after death.
Soul in Hebrew is the word 'nephesh', which means "a living being
Soul in Greek is the word 'psyche', which means "a living being.
Spirit in Hebrew is the word 'ruwach', which means"breath, wind, air".
Spirit in Greek is the word 'pneuma', which can either mean "Holy Spirit" or "breath, wind, air"

So we can see from this that the words soul and spirit do not mean that we have our OWN spirit or soul, but rather we basically have the spirit of God in us keeping us alive, and with that spirit in us, we ARE LIVING SOULS. And we can see this clearly from the creation account
...Genesis 2:7 ...'And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.'...

Notice one very important point about the creation of Adam. When God breathed into him the breath of life, "Spirit", Adam BECAME a living "Soul". So if we reverse this process, God's Spirit (breath) is removed and Adam dies, he becomes dust again.
This is an important truth concerning death and what happens when we die. Remember that Adam wasn't given a soul, he BECAME a living soul with the breath of God inside him. We are but dust without the Spirit (breath) of God in us, as this following Bible verse confirms
...Genesis 3:19 ...'In the sweat of thy face shalt thou eat bread, till thou return unto the ground; for out of it wast thou taken: for dust thou art, and unto dust shalt thou return.

EnigmAries:
So if the Bible doesn't support the teaching of a separate soul beyond human existence

EnigmAries:
I wonder those who are residents in that literal hades, which according to you, is a temporal abode of torment immediately after death

EnigmAries:
We all know judgement have not taken place, thus directly accusing God of jungle justice