What a great piece!

The op highlights the problem some women face in the society. Women are sometimes groomed for marriage. Their educations and careers do not matter if they are not married in the mid twenties.

I congratulate her for having goals and getting education. I hope she finds Mr. Right


Like Maclatunnji said, we all face difficult decisions

BetaThings:
Really? Pls remind me of the story of Prophet Lut (AS)



Everything, given the proclivity of the OP. Tell the truth; call the sickness by its name - fa.,otry, homosickness and sodomy. Or do you really imagine there is any space for those malformed organisms in Islam?
As for atheism, has Logicboy seen the light now and want to take Shahada?


Yes, by the standards of atheists. Eg by suggesting that fa.,ots should go hang and stop desecrating our land!


You might pass muster elsewhere. Interesting! Have you made adhan today?

I dont even know whether to laugh or cry at the mixture of rubbish you wrote there.



Something tells me that you need to watch this video


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y3WFDKFkFBA

BetaThings:
What is to be ashamed of? That I am not to be judged by the standards of atheism?
Don't you proudly tell us that fa..try is natural because some animals do it?

Alhamdulillah! The munafiqeen are exposing themselves! See how vulgar a "real mulsim" is commenting!

What has anything we have said here got to do with atheism or homosexuality?

Didnt you say that you wanted to behave immaturely?

Yarhamukallah

BetaThings:
Hahahahahahahaha
When a fellow Muslim posts, we will address it
With Nairatalks' post, we demur and continue to behave immaturely by the standards of an atheist

Charity begins at home. You should be ashamed of your second sentence.

Instead of addressing Seun's comments or the op, some fellow muslims have chosen to behave immaturely.

tbaba1234: Logicboy starts another silly thread.

This is the third time I have seen this "Logicboy" comment. Is this an in-house joke? Is there something that I am not aware of?

vedaxcool:


"Maybe try reading with your eyes open, "logic"boy!
Omori hi uor halaqawa!

What? What are you saying?

deols: O ga o.


Una no go rest ontop this issue?


Fact is, no Muslim on NL has been proven to be violent. Christians have made similar 'threats'.

That we have not made a case out of it does not mean they are saints.

If Seun's statement adds any value to any of you's sleep, please accept my congratulations.

hmmm

tpia@:
se oro seun l'esi ni?

op you better head to other sections eg politics, if you really want something to complain about.

Wow.....some weird people are on nairaland...

deols:

You would make a good experimental organism. I didnt want to say lab rat specimen..lol


How you feel comfortable with your lies need some examining. A new form of personality disorder could also be found out.

Faking names and identity and religion and all that...

What are you talking about? Have you gone bonkers?

vedaxcool:

But had deols made a similar statement or had it been a muslim who made such a statement you would have used your entire energy to expose it as being lies, one would expect you use similar ethusiasm to challenge seun and expose him as being a liar! So go hound seun for making such a statement or do u believe it true that is why it is "disturbing" you? Smh in the same thread so many false allegations were made against muslim yet you simply kept shut, off course a "muslim" who readily swallows insults against muslims and Islam but is quick to criticize the comments of muslims about issues labeling their comments lies and falsehood clearly shows the sort of religion such a muslim practice!

Please, does this guy always make no sense like this?

Are you angry at me or something?

maclatunji:

Well, you are too full of misconceptions that discussing with you looks like a wasteful venture. First-off Saudi Arabia does not define Islam. Yes, the country does make a great effort to be Islamic but it is not the classical Islamic state as history of the Prophet and the Caliph show.

I am being frank with you, the United States President and his family have little or no privacy and that includes their bedroom. Pray tell, what are the issues that Michelle champions that Muslim women can't talk about?

Eninn is welcome to post. Her posts are fairly accurate thanks to Google Translate.

I never said that Saudi Arabia defines islam. However, I know that it is your favourite country from the way you praise it. Also, the USA doesn't define the west either.


Tell me, do you know what goes on in the Obamas' bedroom? If not, can you explain how it is not private? Or do you have their s3x tape?


Lastly, all I said was that Michelle Obama is not the things that Enin called western women. I never said that she did things that muslim women can not do.


You are the one that is not being reasonable here. You keep on talking as if I am defending the West. Rather, I trying to get you guys to see that you're focusing your criticism on the wrong aspects of the West.

maclatunji:

Just this week, one of your "liberated" western women was exposing her butt to the world. Some animals have more decorum than that.

Didnt other western women criticise her?


Seriously, your criticism of the west is lanking a comprehensive view

Seun: The Islam section was created for security reasons, to protect non-muslims from the risk of violence, and not to promote Islam.

As a new member here, I truly find this disturbing. This comment was made by Seun on the religion section.

A good thread destroyed by the immaturity of one person.

pitiful

maclatunji:

^She is not an English speaker.

Note that societal pressure does influence a woman's perception of her worth and how she relates with society.

Most women in the West do not have the same opportunities as men, yet they are misled with the charade of "equality".

Islam gives to each their due with equity. Men and women aren't the same. Of a necessity, Islam deals with each with equity.

Who is "she"? I was commenting to you not her in this instance.

You made false claims about Michelle Obama and ridiculous criticism about Hillary Clinton which you have now kept quiet on after my comment. It is of no wonder that you then make a very false claim that most women in the West do not have the same opportunities as men. Some women, yes...most women, no.


Seriously, the Western culture has so many failings that any normal muslim can see. However, it is not fair to lie and add failings that are not there in the West.

Remember that your Saudi Arabia that you hold in high esteem is one of the poorest places for women's progress.



By the way, if the op does not speak English properly, what is she doing posting English essays that she cant even probably defend coherently?

maclatunji:

Western culture is almost always exploitative of women. For one, Michelle Obama has no privacy even when she never campaigned for or was elected into public office. Let's be honest, she has no powers of the President, yet she is burdened with many parts of his work as President. Even her bedroom is not a sanctuary and is quite accessible to a number of outsiders all in the name of presidential staff and aides.

Or should we look at Hilary Clinton who had to swallow public humiliation when Monica Lewinsky saga came-up. She had to publicly come out to support a lying and cheating husband even when she probably would have preferred a divorce or at the very least some privacy.

What do you mean by Michelle Obama’s bedroom not being sanctuary? People have maids that clean up their master bedroom too in Saudi Arabia.A first lady has some few responsibilities. I do not see how she is burdened by presidential work. Maybe you are confusing her with Patience GEJ.


Hillary Clinton standing by her husband is a political move and not an indictment of western culture. Surely, as muslims have we asked if Yerimas wife has divorced him over his ‘young’ actions?



Allah forbid that I am defending Western values but we should know what we are criticising. My point is that in claiming freedom, some western women have become s.exualized things but still we shouldnt be calling all of them concubines and mistresses like the op did

eninn: This is not true

Thing in excess of the limit
Always comes counterproductive

Western talk of women’s liberalization is nothing but a disguised form of exploitation of her body, degradation of her soul and deprivation of her honour. Western society claims to have ‘uplifted’ women. On the contrary it has actually degraded them to the status of concubines, mistresses and society butterflies who are mere tools in the hands of pleasure seekers and sex marketeers, hidden behind the colourful screen of ‘art’ and ‘culture’.

Explain how Michelle Obama is a concubine, mistress or society butterfly. We know Western values sometimes exploit women as se.x symbols but we shouldnt exxagerate their failures

Salaam.

Nice one, lagosShia.


Many here are guilty of this same pride.


Imagine one claiming to be just a simple muslim and not a scholar but yet, his interpretation of the Quran cant be challenged! You are not a true muslim if you disagree with him.

deols:

I would be ashamed of myself if my utterances are judged as not from a Muslim. I would actually be depressed and rethink my religion. I would have an introspection and try to see what I have been doing wrong.

You are mentally creating your own enemies and giving reasons for it. Could it be that this isn't about deols but about your utterances and belief?

To escape from seeing your fault, you are trying to pass it off to other people.

Think or try harder, 'is the way I think how muslim does it?' Then, become a better Muslim or actress.

This is even getting funnier.

Muslims shouldnt lie. Anyone could see that you told a lie about feminists. Yet, you are somehow insinuating that I should rethink my faith.


You claimed that there is some general saying about feminists, which is nowhere to be heard or found. And if even there was a saying, should you repeat it without fact checking?


This is my last post here. I dont want to be hounded by your followers.

Goodbye

This is too funny.

Keep up with the deflection and personal attacks. I guess that I am not a muslim because i dont agree with Deols.

haha....

Confused people. See the hypocrisy!

Even the person they are supporting can see through them....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jy9tNyp03M0


This guy deserves a standing ovation.

deols: ^^lol about knowing whom a feminist is. I was almost recruited you know?


I still believe in some of their views. I draw the line where religion comes in

How can one be recruited to be a feminist? It would be like saying one was recruited to be a conservative. Like I said, it is possible that you dont know what a feminist is


I have seen this before. There are "top dogs" on this section who can make false claims and then when another muslim challenges the false claim, the followers gang up against the muslim who simply challenges the false claim.



Betathings, keep lending your support to falsehoods.


This claim is false;

deols:
There is the general saying that the feminists out there treat their maids in the worst of manner. You then wonder whether the maids are lesser humans or not feminine enough

deols: Selective rrasoning abi what can I call it?
Below is what I wrote



I wasn't saying all feminists do it but that people say so..

I further told you that I cldnt bring forth statistics but that I have seen it happen.


I really dont care on whether you want to talk more on the other issues. They are as clear as daylight.

Which general saying? A general saying among people who peddle falsehoods or what?

Which people?


Do you even know what a feminist is?

deols:

But I was obviously talking of Africa. Nigeria, precisely.

Of course you know that there cannot be a data to back my claim up. Do we even have a cancer registry or a correct statistics on domestic violence? It took an aljazera for us to realise what percentage of bleachers are in Nigeria.

But I have attended programs on Gender issues. I have been to conferences on the female child blah blah blahs I have known the participants before and after. So I know very well that not all are in it for the general good.

Now about the subject matter, which is about Nigerian activists being silent on the affairs of Muslims. How many of them did you hear of when that Muslim girl was beat by her school principal?

And how many of them sprang up against Yerima?

Isnt it already clear that they only took advantage of an explosive situation?



Now after all the cries over the internet, how many of the activists have come up with a solution to the issue of child marriage. How many of them have simply gone back to their 'e no concern me' typical state?.

First of all, accusing feminists of generally maltreating their maids and criticising child bride activists are two different things.

Not all women activists are feminists.

Be mature and admit that you told a lie about feminists.


When you admit the lie, then we can discuss the issue about Yerima and the hijab issue

BetaThings:
And their staff? The activists are not necessarily tolerant of criticism
See how someone sacks and talks to his staff
http://www.forbes.com/sites/susanadams/2013/08/14/aols-chief-demonstrates-the-worst-way-to-fire-someone/

In Africa men hardly molest their maids as much as the women do. They burn them, disfigure them (look around NL for examples)
I know somebody running an NGO for women in Nigeria.
Her attitude towards her staff is so crude I wonder how the compassion required for the oppressed (her NGO) can co-exist with so much bile

Are the people you listed feminists?

BetaThings:
Thanks
We were just pointing out that activists here whose voice ring loudest (in our NASS) should borrow a leaf from this
Nigerian public policy is hardly going to be shaped by some activists in Sweden, but by the pressure of our local "Human" rights campaigners

I see

BetaThings:
Interesting
It is certainly easy to criticise but hard to take it

Not interesting. It is False. Deols should explain where she found numerous feminists treating maids in the worst manner. Maybe she thinks that many people in the west even have maids like we do in Africa.


This is how falsehoods spread.

Deols is someone that speaks before checking facts. I always try to avoid personal comments but it is hard for me to see people agreeing with false things and keep silent

How did this thread turn into an attack on Nigerian human rights activists?

Please, we should focus on praising the Swedish non-muslims and muslims who joined effort to campaign for justice for the crime against the muslim woman in Sweden.

FrostyZonn: Nothing more to add, the write up that LagosShia posted said it all.

Yes, Lagoshia's post hits the nail on the head concerning the intolerance and hypocrisy of Saudi Arabia. The people of Saudi deserve better