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Islam for Muslims / Re: Islam For Muslims: Side Talk Station by Nairatalks: 8:02pm On Sep 07, 2014
^^^
Lol does this Empiree guy think that we dont know that there are harsher verses on the unbeliever/Jews?
Religion / Re: Religion Complaints Thread (sticky) by Nairatalks: 7:32am On Oct 30, 2013
Ajibam:

calm down Bro....

I was suprise too...let just wait till she comes,cause Ave found nothing punishable for one year after investigating... let just wait..
Islam for Muslims / Re: Between Western Ideals And Islamic Identity by Nairatalks: 3:05pm On Sep 27, 2013
Stop talking bull
Islam for Muslims / Re: Between Western Ideals And Islamic Identity by Nairatalks: 2:24pm On Sep 27, 2013
Mr Critique: First of, I wish i would talk to this man face to face, i would use a public address system and scream this words in his ears "wake up man there are things you can fight". For starters, you seem to speak like one who is totally free from Western influence, but i bet, if I venture into your life thoroughly, i would find traces of the same disease you're trying to cure. How can you fight change? Oh! i reckon you would only accept change in pop culture only if it has Islamic carriage. Besides, can you pls point to one system in history that has span over 5 centuries and survived the wind of change? If you lambast the domination of English language (WEST), isn't that as a result of the liberalization in it culture and social life style? Can't you also liberalize your own culture and thus propagate your religion? If you remain strict and heavy handed things are just gonna stagnate and die out naturally from your belief, due to time.

Finally, if by 'West' you mean America and other nations founded upon Christian principles. The question thus is: IS THE ORIGIN OF YOUR RELIGION WESTERN( assuming you are African)? why then do you subscribe to one the products of WESTERNIZATION? Why not subscribe to one the gods of your forefathers and be truly 'West' free. If your criticize the West for everything bad and you still subscribe to an "imported" religion then you are still part of the disease. Peace

P.S: what stunt were you trying to pull quoting the gospel of Mark?



The author lives in the UK. He is a hypocrite
Islam for Muslims / Re: Sunnah Of New Born Baby , Scientifically Proven - BBC Article by Nairatalks: 1:19pm On Sep 27, 2013
Ray McBlue:

A classic example of Muslim tolerance. Give thanks!


I am a muslim.

You have to understand, Islam is becoming divided. We have the intolerant islamists undermining the efforts of the sensible muslims.

Jut yesterday, some muslims were talking about having continuous dialogue with young muslim men so that they wouldnt be radicalised and then, something like Westgate wont happen. Somehow, the discussion turned when some muslims started deflecting it to Western imperialism and occupation of Muslim lands.

You see, any sensible muslim would discard the op. It is a ridiculous claim. No muslim scientist would give credence to these claims. How does it make sense to hang the validity of the Quran on newly discovered scientific breakthroughs that have not been thoroughly researched? What if the sugar gel has some major side effects later discovered? Would you start saying that the Quran supports such?

Did the Quran or hadith specifically say that sweet things should be given to premature babies?

I tire for these falsehoods!

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Islam for Muslims / Re: Sunnah Of New Born Baby , Scientifically Proven - BBC Article by Nairatalks: 1:04pm On Sep 27, 2013
My comment got hidden

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Islam for Muslims / Re: Between Western Ideals And Islamic Identity by Nairatalks: 1:03pm On Sep 27, 2013
maclatunji:

Your jumping at the mention of your name.


?? What? Please, when you make claims, try to be honest and have evidence
Islam for Muslims / Re: Between Western Ideals And Islamic Identity by Nairatalks: 1:02pm On Sep 27, 2013
maclatunji:

And it is not obvious to you that Muslims with understanding of Islam aren't moved or impressed by the competition?


Of course, muslims like you are the "true muslims"

The others muslims that feel that they can have a decent muslim pageant where looks are not the focus (rather intelligence, religious knowledge and confidence) are not real muslims
Islam for Muslims / Re: Between Western Ideals And Islamic Identity by Nairatalks: 12:58pm On Sep 27, 2013
SimplySEA: IF U READ D POST I QUOTED, U'D NOTICE D POSTER WAS REFERIN TO MUSLIM WOMEN PERFORMIN IN A BEAUTY PAGEANT.. TRUTH BE TOLD,THESE PEOPLE DESIRE THIS FREEDOM AND WUD RELISH A CHANCE TO PARTICIPATE.
COS OF THEIR RESTRICTIONS,THEY CREATED AN ISLAMIC PROTOTYPE! ISN'T THIS OBVIOUS?



A case of "liberal" muslims vs "conservative" muslims.
Islam for Muslims / Re: Between Western Ideals And Islamic Identity by Nairatalks: 12:57pm On Sep 27, 2013
maclatunji:

It proves you are not


What proves that I am not ?
Islam for Muslims / Re: Between Western Ideals And Islamic Identity by Nairatalks: 12:56pm On Sep 27, 2013
maclatunji:

Read "Things Fall Apart" by Chinua Achebe.



The lies and deception some muslims tell.....smh


We have all read Things fall apart. Explain where you found IGBO human rights in the book.
Islam for Muslims / Re: Between Western Ideals And Islamic Identity by Nairatalks: 12:55pm On Sep 27, 2013
maclatunji:




Calling me names wont change the facts
Islam for Muslims / Re: Between Western Ideals And Islamic Identity by Nairatalks: 12:53pm On Sep 27, 2013
tbaba1234:

, Every culture has a definition of 'human rights'. To suggest that the western principles are universal is what is disingenuous not this article.


Calling me names won't stop me from exposing your falsehoods.


@ bold, can you tell me the IGBO definition of human rights?

smh
Islam for Muslims / Re: Between Western Ideals And Islamic Identity by Nairatalks: 12:51pm On Sep 27, 2013
AbdH:

That's all cool


Keep following your master (mac) until you enter a ditch with him

You cant see that mac did not even know what he was criticising?
Islam for Muslims / Re: Between Western Ideals And Islamic Identity by Nairatalks: 12:50pm On Sep 27, 2013
maclatunji:

And he exposes his bigotry. So supporting sharia law is something you want to make "uncool".

Sharia is a guide for all Muslims and one of the sources of the Nigerian constitution. It is something we are proud of.



Yes, I am a muslim. So, how can I be a bigot against islam.

I am against islamists who want to force islam in the UK.


How can a muslim claim to be law abiding when he wants to be against the laws of a country (a country mostly made up with non-muslims)?


Do you think that it makes sense for there to be sharia law in britain when majority would not even understand it?
Islam for Muslims / Re: Between Western Ideals And Islamic Identity by Nairatalks: 12:38pm On Sep 27, 2013
tbaba1234: I think the idea in the article is simple.

It is not about demonizing any ideology, it simply asserts that western principles are currently held as 'universal and neutral' even though in reality, they sometimes conflict with many of the original cultures of people including the Islamic world view. The results of colonialism is that we have imbibed many of these worldviews which in reality conflict with our original world view.

For instance, A muslim believes that all sovereignty belongs to God but the term democracy from demo kratos gives ultimate sovereignty to the people. Hence when muslim coin the term 'Islamic Democracy', it is contradictory based simply on the meaning of the words.

Also, Islam gives gender roles to both men and women but feminism is a concept that negates all gender roles and assert absolute equality to men and women something that is alien to many world cultures. It does not just mean 'rights for women'. So coining a term 'Islamic feminism' is contradictory based on the actual meanings of the words.



Stop lying. The article demonises the Western values in order to promote islam. How can human rights be colonialism??

One can promote islam without lying about the West.

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Islam for Muslims / Re: Between Western Ideals And Islamic Identity by Nairatalks: 12:34pm On Sep 27, 2013
[size=18pt]Eveybody reading this, beware! The author of the article is a well known apologist and sharia law supporter in the UK. Andalusi even claimed in a youtube debate that Boko Haram is a result of colonial division of north and southern Nigeria
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Islam for Muslims / Re: Between Western Ideals And Islamic Identity by Nairatalks: 12:44pm On Sep 26, 2013
maclatunji: ^That would make you a confused individual. #LOL

Don't mind the hyperactive troll.


May Allah guide you with your chosen words

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Islam for Muslims / Re: Between Western Ideals And Islamic Identity by Nairatalks: 12:43pm On Sep 26, 2013
AbdH:

What are people saying about the west that makes it seem unfair?


Granted criticizing the west doesn't make you a good Muslim, what does supporting their ideas which are detrimental to that of Islam make you?



Name one western Idea that I support with quotes of mine.


If you cant, please apologise for spreading falsehoods
Islam for Muslims / Re: Between Western Ideals And Islamic Identity by Nairatalks: 9:23am On Sep 26, 2013
Sissie:

That's it, in Islam there's no debating it.
So if the other half of the government who also use human right as an excuse to support gay marriage, it already proves their's difference in their own version of human rights and ours. That's just one of the numerous examples, another is indecent dressing, of what is against Islam, their are also other examples that Islam isn't against.

In Islam our rights have been decreed, the limits are stated clearly.

I am not debating anything.

Marriage is not a human right. Gay marriage is not a human right. Gay marriage is argued on freedom.

I am not a supporter of gay marriage


My main point is that we shouldnt criticize the West unfairly. Criticising the west does not make me a good muslim

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Islam for Muslims / Re: Sunnah Of New Born Baby , Scientifically Proven - BBC Article by Nairatalks: 8:19am On Sep 26, 2013
Hanging islam on shaky science is wrong.

The Quran/Hadith does not explicitly say that the sweet materials are meant for premature/sick babies.

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Islam for Muslims / Re: Between Western Ideals And Islamic Identity by Nairatalks: 8:14am On Sep 26, 2013
AbdH:

Human right in the west = right to be homosexual,
While in Islam, your right is determined by what Allah has decreed to be halal or haram.



I like how you summarized humans rights into only one right. I hope you do know that there is a debate on gay marriage in USA with the conservative half of the government against it.

So please, educate yourself

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Islam for Muslims / Re: Between Western Ideals And Islamic Identity by Nairatalks: 4:55am On Sep 26, 2013
Calling me names wont change the facts. Thanks for effectively derailing your own thread. I hope this trend continues so that the falsehoods you promote get derailed.

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Islam for Muslims / Re: Reactions To Westgate Murders By Muslim Scholars/imams by Nairatalks: 7:24am On Sep 23, 2013
Talk is cheap.


It is better that things like these are prevented than apologising for it as if all muslims are responsible.

Steps to prevent such? Empty.

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Islam for Muslims / Re: Between Western Ideals And Islamic Identity by Nairatalks: 12:29pm On Sep 21, 2013
tbaba1234:

Of course, if these Muslims were truly sincere in their use of these terms, 'as long as they give them an 'acceptable' meaning', then lets see if they would also be happy to use the following terms, along with their new 'meanings' [i.e. excuses]:

Islamic Polytheism - 'it just means' belief in a God, with many names

'Islamic' Fascism - 'it just means' strength through unity'

'Islamic' Communism - 'It just means' respecting community values

'Islamic' Atheism - 'It just means' negating false idols, not negating the One transcendent God

'Islamic' Idolatry - 'It just means' honouring Muslim heroes from the present and past, as role models and celebrity 'idols', but not in the literal sense

'Islamic' Racism - 'It just means' that we honour the the race of Adam (as)

'Islamic' Satanism - 'It just means' that we believe in a concept of the Devil, and guard against his works'

'Islamic' Trinitarianism - 'Is just means' that we believe in three aspects of God, the Tawheed al Rububiyah, Tawheed Uluhiyyah and Asma' wa siffat.

Of course, all these new terms are absurd, and we'd laugh at anyone who'd be so foolish as to use them, despite attributing to them seemingly benign explanations. But this are no different then using 'Islamic Feminism', 'Islamic Secularism', 'Islamic Democracy' and 'Islamic Humanism' - which are all equally absurd for a Muslim to use, and equally derisory.

As Muslims, we must reject the false intellectual currency we are told to use. We should not use borrowed words which have a widely understood, and unIslamic meaning, but rather we should use words which are supplied to us from Islam itself, or at the very least (for non-Arabic speakers) the best translations of linguistic equivalents in foreign languages e.g. Deen = 'worldview/Ideology', Aqeedah = 'Creed'.





This is the only part I agree with, albeit for a different reason. Islam is a perfect religion to start adding some western values to it as if it is on equal par with those western values is clearly wrong

Feminism is feminism

Islam is Islam.
Islam for Muslims / Re: Between Western Ideals And Islamic Identity by Nairatalks: 12:25pm On Sep 21, 2013
tbaba1234:
Building roads, taps, schools etc, are not neutral acts, or non-religious acts, but are based upon the motivation of the ideology that demands these things to be built. If a government built a road because it believed it is God's Will, then THAT IS NOT A SECULAR ACTION.




Besides, no government builds a road just because it is natural to do so. For thousands and thousands of years, most governments never built roads [except being states like the Romans, or the Islamic Caliphate]. A government would build a road either because they possess a worldview (e.g. like Communism, Liberalism, or Islam) that demands the state should ensure people's safety and efficiency of travel that would maximise some value the ideology reveres. Although a government may build a road, because everyone else is doing it [i.e. 'its the modern thing to do'], or to facilitate its own Army to travel quickly [i.e. as the romans did]. The simple response is to tell these Muslims that insist upon using the word, 'ok - but then EQUALLY you should be also happy to call for, and use the phrase, 'Religious government', because according to you, Religious government would surely call for the same things e.g. roads, taps, schools, bridges etc wouldn't it? Again, Only the truly innocent of mind, and sincere of heart would agree with you.
-Abdullah Al Andalusi
https://www.facebook.com/abdullah.andalusi/posts/10151887975277517


This is funny.

A road is built primarily to get access to move from one place to another. That is not a religious reason but a secular one based on simple science and logic.

Even if a road is built to a mosque or church, it still doesnt qualify as a religious reason, rather it is primarily to move from one place to the holy building and vice verse.

I do not get the point here.

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Islam for Muslims / Re: Between Western Ideals And Islamic Identity by Nairatalks: 12:10pm On Sep 21, 2013
tbaba1234: The biggest lie the West ever created, was convincing the world that its values were universal and 'neutral'. But unbeknownst to most people, its values are based upon its own particular worldview, which is quite distinct and antithetical to most of the world's (original) belief/law systems. Thus like how the U.S. promotes the dollar, the West printed out its intellectual currency, and asked everyone to use it as a universal standard for moral and intellectual transactions. But like how the dollar is linked to US economy, so Western values are linked to their beliefs and worldview. And if ones fails, so does the other.

It is for this reason that, the 'values' of (the Western conception of) 'Human Right's', 'Freedom', 'Democracy', 'Democratic legitimacy' [unless you vote for an Islamic party], and (the Western concept of) 'Equality' - are so ubiquitous in global usage. Now anywhere you travel, you can intone these 'sacred' and 'holy' words, and instantly gain some moral currency.


-Abdullah Al Andalusi
https://www.facebook.com/abdullah.andalusi/posts/10151887975277517


Ironically, this is what is destroying islam.

We now are told that to be a good muslim = criticising the West.


Also, what does Andalusi mean when he talks about a "Western conception of human rights". Are there separate conceptions of human rights? Does a person from USA and Turkey have different conceptions of human rights?

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Islam for Muslims / Re: Jews Help Guard Uk Mosques After Attacks Attacks by Nairatalks: 7:27am On Sep 07, 2013
vedaxcool: Good news, it is good to see inter - religious cooperation.


Yes, it is pleasing to see such co-operation
Islam for Muslims / Re: Women's Rights by Nairatalks: 7:14am On Sep 07, 2013
maclatunji:

Then you know nothing... #LWKMD



I know what I know, disprove me if you can.


Keyword- "women" not woman.




That is saying a whole lot of nothing!

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