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We just conceded 2 rubbish goals. We have bossed the game

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Nihilist:
To be perfectly honest, na me first find trouble.

Bigkesh no vex bro. Na just the usual sparring.

Have a lovely day.

How gentlemanly! Tiri gbosa for you my friend.

On this topic, Nihilist argues at the extreme end of the spectrum. The only reason, according to Nihilist, that all those players have not made it yet, is that they are utter dross. Nothing in between.


It will be interesting to know how many goals Rashford scored as a youth player. I watch a lot of youth football but I must confess I didn't know him 1/2 years ago.

Nihilist:
I don't think you understand what the argument was about at all.

Good night.

I like to believe I have been on point. I believe you think you are having the same argument with myself and Bigkesh.

Nihilist:
Joaquin is a 35 year old winger. If Betis had a better alternative, they would play him.

Alex Alegria is on loan from Barca...he's been given more minutes than Musonda which is hardly surprising given that he scored a brace in his last game.

Wilshere walked right into Bournemouth 1st team. Bony and Martins Indi straight into Stoke. Jason Denayer staright into Sunderland, yet you people keep perpetuating this myth of 'he's on loan so he won't play'



I don't have to post an obscure article to defend Rashford's exploits. You already know what he has been doing steadily...he did it again today!

Like I said, you can't compare a guy who had ONE GOOD game at a midtable Spanish team to a guy who is tearing up trees at England's historically most prestigious clubs on his debut

Are you not the one always saying that Lukaku who has already scored over 100 career goals aged 23 can't make it at Chelsea because teams 'setup differently' when playing against us....but yet this guy with only 13 career starts in his life, and only 2 goals to his name, this guy who can't make the team at Real Freaking Betis while competing with 2 35 year old wingers and 2 of his age mates as new signings...

This is the guy that is good enough for Chelsea 1st team?

Lemme just leave it there.

Christ on a bike. Why do you argue like? Your propensity to obscure the specifics is outstanding. Okay let's do this.

1. Alex is not on loan from Barca. Alex is a Betis player. He's 23, went on loan and is back. Why should Poyet build his team around Musonda who Chelsea can recall anytime?

2. Loans come with all manners of clauses. The most important of all is the "option to make permanent". This clause usually governs how loan players are treated. When a club has a young player in a position and they think they can develop, they don't have to develop others.

3. Clubs loan specific some players who they know are "DEFINITELY" better than what they currently have. In this scenarios, the loan fees are higher and the status of the player is already a known quantity before the player joins. Very different scenario from when say, Colkett, an unknown quantity in senior football, joins on loan. This is the fundamental principle behind why Wilshere Bony and Indi are playing. And this is no justification for dispelling how 18/19-year olds are treated by the same system. I mean seriously? Is there an idiot on earth who thought that Wislhere will not walk into the Bournemouth side? Seriously?

4. You don't need articles for Rashford because he scored goals. If he was a defender or midfielder, you will be asking the same questions about him. So all those hailing Musonda in the articles are idiots like ourselves? Really?


5. Lukaku's case is very specific. And it is has got to do with his technique in tight spaces. This is a valid point. End of Story.


6. First, you said he is not playing. We told you he had 14 apps last season. I showed how he was their best player. I shared an article that also shows you how they went 5 games unbeaten after he joined and that he was very instrumental to their campaign. The article also told you about fans making masks of him to games and chanting his name. Yet you have come back saying he cannot make it at Betis.


7. What is actually so funny about your line of argument is the circumstance surrounding Rashford's announcement on the scene. If Van Gaal, succeeded in getting his strikers scoring last season and Rashford never got to play, you would have said Rashford is not good enough is why he is not playing . If a United fan had told you 2 months earlier that this dude is the real deal and that given a chance, he should be starting for United next season, you would hve called that person an idiot. Meanwhile, all along, he was good enough to play for United.


I go revert to siddon look mode. Very soon though, you go see.

Nihilist:
Who knew that Pogba would be so crap on his triumphant return to Manchester? The answer is the same for your question...Nobody.

Only a soothsayer would have know that Rashford wold go on to score 4 goals in his first two games for United.

As with any player, the manager sent Rashford on the first time, and watched him to see if he would do anything that would justify a second appearance...and a third, and so on...

After all, the same manager that blooded Rashford also gave chances to the likes of Blackett, Mcnair, Borthwick et al...none of which are at the club today.

Now many of our youth have been given some playing time, how many of them have taken their chances?

Who cares if Musonda was MOTM one day at Betis? What has he done since then?

You mean that there could not be a footballing reason why a player with only 1 goal and 1 assist in his professional career cannot make the Real Betis 1st team?

Why would any manager prefer to play a 35 year old Joaquin over a young superstar? It's not like Joaquin has a distinguished history or pedigree. Joaquin is not Zlatan.

What has Joaquin got to do with anything? Joaquin had 30 apps for Betis last season, still, Musonda had 14 apps (Can't check how many were starts. I am a busy man these days). So your statement about Joaquin playing ahead of Musonda is inaccurate.

Poyet is a new guy, like Conte, who is aiming for stability and being cautious on the experimental front. Different from Juan Merino who didn't have anything to lose. However, as always, if the player is not playing, with you Nihilist, it's a problem with the young player. This is why I keep telling you the loan system is not as simple as ABC.

I am surprised you are asking what Musonda did after his first MOTM. Look for Betis fans around, they will tell you. He was not polished by any means. He is not a striker. So I don't expect him to score much yet. His game is still very raw and still has huge tendencies to confuse the 'flamboyant' for 'crucial' but the talent is extremely undeniable. And Betis fans will tell you, no player in their side was more of a threat. Extremely crucial to Betis' second half of the campaign.

Read what people were saying about Musonda two months in.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-3476745/Meet-Charly-Musonda-Jnr-Chelsea-loanee-cult-hero-Spain.html

Nihilist:
Let me remind you about Rashfords breakthrough...

Scored a brace on his debut in Europe.

Scored a brace and copped an Assist against ARSENAL in his EPL debut.

Scored on his England debut

This was not a guy begging for chances. He came in and Forced LVG's hand.

Compare that to all the 'give them time' dross that we've sent on to the pitch, and you will realise that it is almost criminal to compare the likes of Solanke and Abraham to Rashford.

You have it backwards. You are telling us what Rashford went on to do. I am asking for someone who knew he was going to do what he went on to do; before he did it. You get?

Meanwhile, forget this season. Musonda went on loan to Betis in January 2016 and ended with 14 apps. He was MOTM on his debut and ended being recognised as one of the best players in the team.

No need to kill him with stats of this season. Because in May 2016, Betis appointed a new Manager in Gus Poyet, who doesn't seem to want to play a loan player first.

You see?

bigkesh:
Which of our center backs is better than Christensen.... What are you even saying,like it's even arguable?!

Stop yarning dust, A sleepy Musonda is better than Willian and Pedro....No be rocket science

Answer the question yourself,apart from Power and running up and down like a pendulum Bob,is there anything a winger needs that Willian or Pedro possess more than Musonda

Creativity?
Dribbles?
Passing?
Intelligence? (Which is the most important and which they lack in abundance)

Abeg abeg abeg

As for me and my household, Musonda first.

Meanwhile, Jeremie Boga is already close to being the best player Granada already. He's walked into the side this season, literally. Debuted as a left winger, dude now is their playmaker in midfield..... and growing.

One day, very soon, it will be criminal to deny the sheer amount of talent from the youth team. Before then, me I dey siddon look mode. I don't have 'many power' to argue. One of them will break through very soon.

By the way, I am still looking for someone, anyone, who knew Rashford was ready before that very first game.

raumdeuter:
I predict Mourinho would likely start a dressing room drama soon, announce some players are his problems and he would bench them. This move would be to take attention away from him.

Schweinsteiger would have been the obvious choice or any of the players he didnt buy. Maybe he would use Rooney as the scapegoat

Just one more loss...

Nihilist:


I was just waiting for you...

Hehehe.

Nihilist:
I'd rather have KDB than Hazard in my team these days though...

That being said, nobody in this life can say that Hazard is 'visionlesss mugu' in public without fear of collecting a dirty slap from a random passerby.

Just watching how Hazard assisted that Matic assist vs Pool alone lasaan is enough to put that line of thinking to bed.

Hazard registered 11 EPL assists in his debut season, which was the second highest in the league.

The next season, Hazard created 93 chances, the highest number in the league

The next season, Hazard created 100 chances, AGAIN the highest number in the league.

Last season was an Anomaly.

This season he is playing under a very defensive minded coach.

KDB is very sharp and intelligent, but he also benefits from playing under an attacking minded coach, with some very attacking players. Put Hazard in that team instead of say Nolito or Sterling and you will be ejakulating non-stop when you watch City play.

KDB is a superb playmaker. Hazard is something completely different.

See common sense! This is not available to many. What is the point comparing both players? Completely different elements.




Meanwhile, once upon a time, one dude like this had both players in his team. Could have built anything he wanted. He could not see beyond his defensive blocks, sold one of them and turned the other into a full-time sprinter on the counter.

When I was complaining about the "method of play" over and over, dem say I dey write epistle. You cannot build a dynasty when your first approach to football is preventing the opposition from playing.

I dey vex ehn?

Honeymoon over already? Hehehe. The United board are on a long thing. Go read my posts about Jose. I know this dude inside out.

FBS:
Conte fall my hand today . Not impressed at all. Utter rubbish.

What do you think Conte should have done today that he didn't do?

Nihilist:
Hazard ori e pe mehn...

You saw that right? How he bought a yard space to the right and let Matic into acres of space.

FBS:
Brother, wetin I do you now? What emotional shait is you talking about?

Egbon calm down na. I wasn't replying to you.

goaaalllll

Chelseafan1:
Are you telling me that you prefer a midfield trio of Matic Kante Oscar to a midfield of Fab, Luiz, Kante?

You are always too emotional to see the point. Read my post and you will see I am not telling you what I prefer but why I see Conte's point of view.

Chelseafan1:
And without his presence, how better has the midfield faired, save for Kante who is being made to overwork himself, which of Matic or Oscar has been good defensively, defensively, they are both useless, talking about being creative, they are even worse....Bats and Fab would have offered better output IMO, this is not the first time this season that Matic and Oscar have been useless for us, its clear for everyone to see.

I am not arguing a lack of issues. I am telling you that Fabregas playing from the first half could be the difference between 0-2 and 0-4. That's the part you are not considering. This is not Swansea we are playing.

What you are seeing is the resultant effect of 3 years of defensive style football. This team was never built to be attacking and dynamic against top sides. And this is not Conte's fault.

Chelseafan1:
Ibime, say you be old man abi old timer for here no mean say u sabi analyse footie reach me, henceforth, take whatever I tell you here as gospel....how would a Coach prefer Matic and Oscar to Fabregas, I don't understand you people at times, which useless 3 points we wan get tonyt, party boys, take the floor already abeg

Mate you need to calm down and see things from a different perspective. If you think Fabregas will thrive with that full press that Liverpool brings to the game, you are in for a long thing. We would easily be overrun in midfield.

Nihilist:
Kante is doing his job just fine.
It's thr two guys in front of him that are dulling badly

True. Kante is doing his job just fine. There is more dynamism is Kante than Oscar and Matic combined.

Hehehe. We are sooofar away from where we want to be. 0-2

Hehe. Ivanovic will still hit an imaginary wall, if he was left alone on the pitch to cross to himself.

Poor defensive organisation

mozel247:
See ur pic and the poor job u r calling millions on. What is taste in this ordinary tiles and furniture u uploaded.

I guess u r a Mason. A supposed polished tiles, see the poor workmanship, see the type of pvc pipe u r using and here shouting millions.

4.8 million for door. What is d name of the door and can u share the link to the maker of the door..?

Robbers

I am struggling to see the poor workmanship. In my opinion, the works I see are of very good quality.

And talking about doors, oh yes, there are very expensive doors. This, in the link below already costs over N1m (ex. local shipping costs) at the supplier. Add international shipping and clearing costs and you have an idea. Then consider that perhaps, the material is of something more luxurious than Oak Wood and you start to get the picture.

https://www.directdoors.com/doors/majestic-oak-double-door-and-frame-set-zinc-clear-/


So yes, I do believe him. Depending on what you desire to build, a Bungalow could cost anything.

I saw this somewhere and it just made me laugh.

"IF HE TAKES YOU OUT FOR A ROMANTIC DATE ON TUESDAY AND WEDNESDAY NIGHTS... EVEN THURSDAY, THIS SEASON INSTEAD OF WATCHING UEFA CHAMPIONS LEAGUE, THEN IT'S NOT LOVE.... HE IS A CHELSEA FAN"

Bimffo:
Everyone did their Jobs except Hazard.

Most of the time, he is always indecisive.

The only meaniful thing he did today was when he slipped and recovered to receive a yellow to save his team.. The hazard of 2 Years ago won't do that.

Kante did a very good job today.

Cahill was stupid. He hesitated before passing. He could have passed before the tackle, but No. He is shouting Foul on twitter now.

Costa too was annoying! . The game should have been a walk over. We got it under control until Costa started what Costa is known for.

Matic? Oscar? I am tired of these 2. None of these 2 is creative.


After all my stories, Hazard is still my flop of the match.

PS: Swansea fans were booing Moses. Does anyone know Why?

You said everyone did their jobs and then went on to state what everyone did not do. . .
I think you should have just said "Hazard is my flop of the match"

1pt better than 0 but we had no business drawing that game. Hazard and Costa could easily have put us 3-0 up. But it's usually like this for Chelsea after the stupid international week. Always!

Goaaalllllllll

Unbelievable.