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Nihilist:
To be honest, I couldn't tell you for sure. I feel that Fabregas should be starting against the likes of Hull and that Matic really shouldn't be in the mix.

Individual efforts are bailing out the team yet again. I need hazard goal sha for my fantasy team.

Well Fabregas has not started, Matic is in the mix against Hull and we are ahead, comfortably.

Individual efforts bailed us out today purely because it is the first time Chelsea ever lined up lack this. You can see the tactical indiscipline over the place.

But this game had shown one thing, Mr Conte is very adaptable and he is learning quickly.

Nihilist:
Forget these goals.

I don't really have faith in the man's tactics.
This thread is probably the most divided when it comes to individual opinions but we all seem to agree that Conte is picking the wrong team everytime...

What is the right team?

Gooooalllll

Nihilist:
Conte out abeg.

For real?

Goooalllll

donjazet:
Striker.

343 dey use 3 strikers, 2 midfielders, 2 fullbacks and 3 center backs

We are not not using full backs here. They are wrong backs - Moses and Alonso.

Shiit! It's a 3-4-3

Change in tactics, Hazard will play through the middle I think.

Not sure if it's a 4-4-2

Nihilist:
Damn...you can't even trust these niggas anymore.

Asking for agents for payments to sign his players...

Ex-chelsea legend too.

I got that.

On the topic. Unbelievable. Can you imagine a worse case of conflict of interest? I mean, it suggests that potentially, the dude might be prepared to sign a shiiit player, if the returns are more than securing a better player.

That's messed up.

Bimffo:
Please think of the Club we will Loan him to.

No need to think. Vitesse.

donjazet:
Try to understand ones perspective before replying.
Nobody is justifying what big Sam did. Everybody agrees it was unethical but what is wrong is pple fully and boldly castigating, insulting or instigating him for something like this.

Sincerely if you had been offered 400k, can you boldly say you won't at least think about it??
I am simply against the hypocrisy.. What he did or say is not unheard of.

Perhaps it is the way you are wording your intentions (not like I understand it anyway). Everything you are typing seems like you are condoning what Sam did. At the very least, it looks like you are asking people not to talk about what he did because no one is clean. Either way, that's not how society should work. That's not how England works.

Nihilist:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/09/27/exclusive-eight-premier-league-managers-took-transfer-bungs-clai/

Full details to be released tonight by the Telegraph.
How interesting that a thing like this pops up at the exact time I was pondering why one man, and two agencies seem to be representing over a dozen of our players....

How interesting indeed!

Nihilist:
I don't think Sam was an employee of the FA. He had a 2 year contract with England and whilst this could have been in the form of an FTC, I think it's more likely that the FA had a contract with a Personal Services Company that Sam owns. If this the case, then Sam would only be paying 20% corporation tax on the profit.

If he puts himself on a salary of around 40k, he would only be liable to pay a income tax of 15% of that amount which is 5,800 pounds a year total.

After claiming tax deductible expenses - buying a car, computer, he might be paying less sef. By the time his company 'invests' the vast remainder of the money in an 'offshore' fund, he might end up paying something like 10k a year total with NI, pension scheme and student loan sef(not that he went to school)

Last year it used to be put yourself on minimum wage and pay no income tax, then pay yourself in dividends at 7.5% tax.

I have no doubt in my mind that Sam has a solid tax avoidance vehicle in place, and probably pays less tax than you sef.

Actually, for someone who runs a company, I should have known better. Considering the amount of income tax payable, it is impossible he on the permanent payroll of the FA. Actually, it would be stupid. You are spot on.

lalaboi:
I was thinking this Alladyce issue happend in 2008. . argh

mofoka is greedy mehn. already on a 3m a year contract and wants to earn a quick extra #400k

Serves him right.

I wan play Devil's advocate abeg. . .

Why is everyone saying this £3m to £400k thing as if the £400k is small money? Don't get me wrong, I am by no means supporting his actions but I can see the logic.

According to UK tax laws, £3m a year puts him in the 45% tax bracket. Net pay after tax and NI deductions comes to £133,380.57 per month. So Sam requested bungs equal to 3 months salary - one quarter of his tax-free yearly pay.

So NO, the £400k is not as small as people think. He is wrong for taking bribe but considering figures, is he really greedy?


***Devil's Advocate things ***

june20:
CHECK IT OUT

Are these pictures of your actual works ?

bigkesh:

Joséreviewed Bodji and Hector?? Lol
Bro that Emenalo's job

When you need a first team player you don't rely on scouts bro...Scouts are for catching then cheap or young
Mourinho wanted Stones, somebody got him Hector


No matter where you turn to,you can't excuse him of everything

The words in bold letters, are genuine, incontrovertible evidence of a pre-disposition towards the arguments. It is all geared to make Emenalo the evil one even when facts stare people in the face. No be today we don dey argue these things.

We were here when Chelsea submitted bids of up to £40m for Stones. There are several reports surrounding Everton's reasons for not selling and/or Stones' desire to join or not join Chelsea.

Some quarters will make you believe that if Chelsea went up to £50m, Everton would have sold. I like to believe this as well (forget for a moment whether the deal makes sense or not). For the purpose of this discussion, let us focus.

Who recommended that Chelsea stops at £40m? Emenalo?

Come on fellas. Let's be factual for a minute and evaluate exactly when we came across this whole Emenalo debate. Did we arrive at this debate on the back of results from duly researched facts or have we been unconsciously influenced by the words that have been spoken the loudest?


Those words above are made to look as though, Jose wanted good quality but someone decided against it and gave him dross instead. When in fact, Chelsea went out to try and make the deal happen. This was the case with Pogba and Marquinhos. Bids were tabled to respective clubs. It's in the papers. However, it seems if the deals went through, they would have been Jose's signings but as they didn't go through, it as Emenalo who decided to bring dross in instead.

Why do we continue to tow this line?

bigkesh:
4-4-2
Azpi- Terry -Luiz -Alonso
Chalobah- Kante
Moses- Michy- Costa- Hazard
Lock the shop all the way till January......Moses and Hazard on the counter
Hazard doesn't give Full backs headache again,since he likes drifting to the middle he should be moved to the right and Let Moses' pace and directness really help on the left
Michy and Costa with the goals,Michy just needs to finish better
Chalobah,Alonso and hopefully Zouma will go a long way in improving the defence
And to think Lewis Baker would have easily solved our midfield problems....more defensive than fabregas and contributes way more with the ball than Oscar and Matic
This is our best team.....Nothing less

Locking up shop, that 11 will work. Offensively, apart from counter-attacking system, that is disaster waiting to happen.

The only thing I blame Conte for is sticking with this 4-3-3. If he's going to fail, I will prefer he does so, doing what he knows how to do. I think we should be inventive and risk a 3-5-2 instead.

Zouma Terry Azpili/Luiz
Kante Chalobah
Moses Fab Hazard
Mitchy Costa

Good work speaks for itself. I am very impressed. Do you have contact details to share? I want to consider engaging your services.

bigkesh:
We conceded 2 against Liverpool without Cesc so he isn't the problem

We tried building from the back but with Cahill and Iva that's almost impossible, I can't count the number of times Both of them misplaced a pass

Conte's Idea is clear and wonderful but the team selection is a big problem for him

He has a team good enough to execute 4-4-2
Moses and Hazard on the Flanks
Bats and Costa up top
Kante and anybody except Matic

If Jose is guilty of playing Power over Sense then so is Conte
Willian>Moses?
Matic>Fab?
Iva>Alonso?

Why is this point lost on everyone? I will say it for the umpteenth time.

Fab is not the problem. Instead, the point is that Conte deserves an apology for raining curses on him and citing Fab as the solution. Simple. Fab may not be the problem but he isn't the solution. Simple.

All other topics you guys are raising may be valid but doesn't address the crucifixion of Conte during the Liverpool game. If we took the opinion of 75% of people on here, Fab only needed to lace his boots and the rest will be history. As it turns out, that is not the case.


To the other points, if you think Fab is a midfielder for a 4-4-2, then you are on a long thing.Conte is a 4-4-2 master. He can see this from a mile away. 3-5-2, I agree but Conte doesn't have the players for that either.

And NO, Moses is not better than Willian. But that furthermore highlights the shiit we are in. Considering Willian is the most unproductive first 11 wide player in Chelsea in over 15 years. But many will make you believe the wing position is a luxury. Even you thought buying Mahrez was a waste of money, when I was saying Mahrez is one player we should splash on.

I will try Alonso over Ivanovic but then again, I can understand why Conte doesn't feel the same. Conte did not request Alonso. Alonso was only brought in after bids to bring in his Plan A players failed.

Nihilist:
Matic is crap bruv.

Your point would be valid if Matic was actually doing any defensive work.

My point is valid because it does not say particularly about why Matic should not play but fundamentally in support of why Conte knows Fab cannot start.

Difference!

Chelseafan1:
Oga, we have better players that can give us better performance than this shiit, the tactics is faulty, the coach is senseless abeg.
Just look at the subs he has been making.

Have you forgotten so soon how useless and average Raumdeuter claimed Man city players are, is it not the same set of players Pep has been winning with??

Bros abeg siddon. You didn't remember tactics on the day of the Liverpool game. You were screaming play Fabregas, play Fabregas, as though, that's all he needed to do to get back to winning ways.

Emotional ninjas are screaming over the place, instead of keeping a level head and analyzing historically.

When I was screaming two three, years ago that JM is killing Chelsea with his tactics and filling the team with uncreative elements, y'all were screaming pragmatism.

Now you are hailing Pep. You forgot the same Pep said Chelsea needs 10 new players. In case you don't know, he meant creative players - the type JM never liked.

Hailing Pep but failing to note that Conte is compromising on his principles - 3-5-2 & 4-4-2 - and playing 4-3-3 instead, to accommodate the crap we have.

Sit down and watch carefully mate.

nitlad:
But we've been conceding two per game steadily. . .

True but the way niggahs were willing to put Conte's head on a plate for not fielding Fab, you would have thought he was making a basic tactical error.

I remember stating specifically that the whole idea it's to not concede 3 goals before Fab is able to create a chance.

The man knows what he is doing. I just feel sorry for him because he allowed the cries arm-chair analysts get to him.

When I was telling them to chill on the emotional sentiments of playing Fabregas, they said I was talking nonsense.

Yes Oscar and Matic are not creative but the answer is not Fabregas. The answer is right in the middle and we don't have those players.

And you can only blame one person for that.

Bookmarked. Following diligently.

Chelseafan1:
This Egbon sef go like fight pass play o, I obviously didn't know you live there na, I only know of Ibime and Nihilist, dt was why I asked, u kon dey call me silly, e never reach dt one na...

E no good o.

No vex bros. But na you dey find fight na. I wouldn't have responded that way if you simply asked where I live. But you chose to employ snide remarks.

Chelseafan1:
Egbon, are u also in the UK or u wan spend more than 500k on flight ticket go attend naming ceremony for this recession period wey we dey so?

because, me, ayam not understanding u.

Bros I have lived in the UK continuously for over 10 years. Why are you being silly?

Ibime:
My people, come celebrate with your boy. My wife just dropped this little girl earlier this morning

Congratulations Ibime. She's gorgeous. May God Almighty watch over her and protect her. Welcome to Fatherhood.
Send me invite if you will, make I come the ceremony.

Nihilist:
It depends on which club you're looking at. Is it a coincidence that any player u-23 found in the first team at any of the traditional big clubs these days is either World Class, or shows the potential to be world class? I'm sure there were other forwards/wingers at Barca in Messi's set...how many of them made it in to their first team?
In fact Barca's team is chocka with their academy products who actually had to leave and go and learn the trade elsewhere before coming back. For a team that habours title ambitions like us, any youngster has to either be worldclass or show potential that they can be world class.
Hazard at Chalobah's age was already a league winner, and three time player of the year. You really need to ruminate on that.
This is the mentality at feeder clubs like Ajax and Southampto where the players are being groomed for sale. The manager at Chelsea doesn't even know if he'll still be in the job 6 months from the day he signed a contract, so he is less concerned with the future, and more concerned with the 'right now'. And that is the true reality of life at big clubs. Ain't nobody got time to be nurturing babies who aren't ready...that is why the loan system exists!
The best youth should be integrated, the ones that need more time should go on loan.
These slots do not exist at big clubs. They exist at lower level clubs and feeder clubs. If you can think of a club that consistently challenges for honours and regularly promotes from within in the manner that you've mentioned, please name them. Even Arsenal has severely restricted their youth conveyor belt.

It's not true. This whole logic is false. Unfortunately, you already have followers.

Everyone wants a Rashford. The odds of that happening is less than one in five years. The reality instead, is that Wes Brown will be part of a United team that wins the league. So will Johnny Evans. Pedro will be part of a Barcelona team that wins multiple trophies. Bertrand will be part of Chelsea team that wins the Champions League.

Daniel Carvajal (forget his Bayer stint) was a product of the academy and now a part of the Champions league winning side and Super Cup. Saul Escaplez - Atletico Madrid, and so on. Last time I checked, these are not Messi level players, neither did any of them have a Rashford-esque entrance.

This, in reality, is how it works. Because the whole concept of youth is that instead of wasting £20m on Baba Rahman, you can play Nathan Ake or Jay Da Silva for free without significantly weakening the team by declining to pursue that deal. That you can have Nathaniel Chalobah in the team, doing a job with few appearances here and there, and save 80k per week for a few years on Mikel.

This is the essence of youth and this is the reality. And the concept is not limited to feeder teams. Once in 10 years, we'll probably be blessed with a Zidane or an Iniesta. But that's not the essence. Most times, you get the odd youth who plays for 3, 4 years. Saves the club money from making stoopid purchases. These players eventually get pushed out by competition and the need to bring in a better player.



Regarding the slots for the young players - oh yes they already exist. Look up the laws regulation govering HG players. While it isn't cast in stone that they have to be from the Academy, it does not make financial sense for clubs to fill these slots with purchased players. The difference here is that we don't just give game time to those players.

Nihilist:
Personally, I didn't think Chalobah did anything special.

He played simple short passes around, didn't really get stuck in with tackles or make any interceptions, and as he mostly played when Leicester were already bunkering after losing a man, he wasn't playing under any pressure from the Leicester midfield.

That being said, he looked really neat and tidy. I'm not sure if that warrants all the hype, but let's see.

Until Costa came on the pitch we looked lost. We didn't know what we were doing. We were unable to open Leicester up and that's why our goals came from shoddy marking at a set piece and a spectacular bit of individual brilliance.

Costa came in and changed the dynamic, but it wasn't until Hazard came on that we were able to finally breakthrough. Whilst Fab got the MOTM award, I personally believe that Hazard was the MVP creating the 2 assists that Fabregas scored, including that Marvelous first one

No Hazard, No Chelsea....yet again.

We need to wrap that boy up in cotton wool this season. Any injury to him, and we are fücked...

I believe that's where our argument comes from - the unconscious desire for young players to be 'special'. Not every kid from the academy is going to be a Rashford or a Messi on their debut; take the world by storm, make a big announcement and go on to super stardom thereafter.

In reality, 95% of young players are expected to be the "in-betweeners" - right inside the spectrum of special and utter dross. Most of them are expected to come in and just do the basics right. Take your chance, look decent, don't look out of place, don't make stupid mistakes, don't overplay and do not be lazy. Shikena!

With hard work comes consistency. With talent along with the confidence derived from the support, you get set apart from your peers. However, there has to be a system in place that allows you to come in and "do the basics right" in the first place; rather than current expectation of being 'special' out of the blocks.

This in reality means that a handful of spots is kept specifically in the team, for young players. They will be allowed to come in and make mistakes but ensure they learn from it. Some will grab the chance, most wouldn't. Some will dash out straight out of the blocks but most you will have to persist with.

What is certain, is that we will never find out what could be, if that initial chance and persistence is absent. Without this system, we will continue to go round in circles on this topic.

Chalobah did not even display 70% of what he is capable of. I have watched him for years. You see his technique on the ball? You know right away that is one proper footballer. Thank God he came in and had the composure to play, cos what RLC did, made an extremely bad show for the "Play the Youth" campaign.

Give his place to the next in line and send him on loan (It looks like he will never recover from this laziness). And hell, there are loads of them queueing up to take that place. Marios Pasalic/Lewis Baker/Jeremie Boga/Musonda to begin with. Hell even Thorgan Hazard has a buy-back clause.

That attitude is already in his way of making it ever since he signed his million pound contract. The same attitude Islam Feruz take spoil im career after dem give am British passport. Some players will have a bundle of talent but I suppose a Ravel Morrison will always be a Ravel Morrison.

Ibime:
Ball no dey spoil for Chalobah hand

Not at all