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Goal Spain.

Commentator saying Spain have missed the idea of football. . . Extreme bigotry.

1025: @nateevs,
your types were busy listening to jonathan yesterday talk about cassava bread only to come here and discuss football more than those who watched the game. if you say italy played better than england, i will accept that but if with what italy played yesterday, you term them spain, then i will have reasons to think that you watched ur own game on a 14 inch, black and white tv.
italy with what they played in 120 without a goal cannot stand the fire power of germany unless they have other plans.

Dude read what I said well. I didn't say Italy were Spain but that they could have been confused for Spain.
It was an indictment on the set up of England rather than the inherent ingenuity in Italy.
What makes you think I didn't watch the game by the way?

El Guapo: [color=#0066ff]Ashley Cole didn’t hit his penalty with as much venom as he did in the Champions League final shootout. I wonder if he was thinking that Gianluigi Buffon had seen that penalty in Munich and was in two minds whether to change his approach?

Buffon was magnificent all match. He is a top, top keeper who stays on his feet until the last possible moment. If Ashley Young had scored his penalty, I think Cole would have taken his much more confidently.

Shape played into Pirlo's hands

England’s shape allowed Italy to have the ball too easily. They were set up to absorb pressure in a rigid 4-4-2. Surrendering so much possession sapped England’s energy and Italy had a player to do real damage to a tired side.

The three teams England had played previously didn’t have a deep-lying midfield player with as much guile as Andrea Pirlo. England couldn’t pressure him on the ball and played a high line.

That played into his hands with his raking passes. If you allow him time on the ball, the back four have to drop deep to cover the runs of Mario Balotelli.

FORZA ITALIA [/color]

When you play football without a plan of attacking, you deserve to lose.
Italy in red shirts yesterday could have been confused for Spain.

justwise: Lewis shouldn't been in this situation if not for the mistake during the pit-stop, he would have been the one benefited from Vett car-problem.

Of course, that's where Alonso edged him.
The team messed up again.

Flipping Maldonado ruined my weekend.
As his tyres were gone, Lewis would have taken 4th position.
Alonso will lead by 27pts.

Lewis out.

Lewis cuts lead down to 3.3s into 53rd lap.
4 laps to go, could we see a Canada all over again?

What a day! Grosjean loses drive as well.
I didn't see Hamilton overtaking after the yellow flags were waved.
Even the commentary crew on SkyF1 think it was Kimi.

Vettle is out. Alonso in front.

Front jack fails. . . Lewis down to 6th.
Team let Lewis down . . yet again.

Beaf: By the way, this years McLaren was built with Jenson in mind, but someone else is using it better.

Absolutely agree.

Even some English pals are suggesting dude may have VAT on his age.
If we are looking at that price bracket, why don't we go for Hoilett?

Dude. There's no contradiction of yours I agreed with. You asked questions and I provided answers to them. I told you that it is impossible to claim that Drogba "allows the midfield to play" and at the same claim that "he has a poor touch, poor movement and link up play". My disagreement is perfectly highlighted here.

nateevs: (a.) DD holds the ball up?


Yes he can. He does this better than most target men of his generation. However. . .

(b.) allows the midfield to play


No. Because even though he's fantastic at bringing down the ball with his chest, you never quite know what DD turns up. That's why he completes the least amount of passes in the Chelsea team behind Ramires. . If you argue that his presence creates fear and uncertainty, which allows the midfield to penetrate through other channels, I quite agree. However through touch, movement and passes, he doesn't. Hence my argument.


(c.) Holds up the ball and allows the midfield to play

As explained above, NO. DD is/wasn't a passing player. If he stopped a 40 yard long ball with his chest, he still had to pass it with his feet. Adn with his feet, he breaks down play. So whether, tiki taka or long ball, the fact that DD had to make passes with feet hindered play. This is why those two sentences of yours are perfectly contradictory.

DD is different from a target man of Mario, Ibra who can actually pass the ball.

My answers from the above were a resounding "NO" to the "allowing midifield to play" part because in my view he doesn't. There and there I totally disagree with your contradiction. Stop lying that I accepted it. That contradiction still holds. Except in a desperate attempt to save your face and diffuse what seems like a glaring contradiction, you began claiming that there is a method in your first statement - "allows midfield to play".

You began your rambles by trying to establish a difference between "allowing midfield to play" and "playing with the midfield" claiming somehow that he does the former and not the latter. How can he? Infact, how can the midifleld play in the first place if he has not at least attempted to exchange passes.


There are no stats to establish who scored most of his assists. For all I care, 90% of them may have been scored by attackers. If that's the case, it still does not prove that he "allows midfield to play".



"He holds the ball and allows the midfield to play". . however "he does not play with the midfield". What the phuck does that mean? Somehow he's holding the ball and the mid-fielders are playing but they don't have the ball. . . Or how did they begin playing when they didn't have the ball?



You tried creating an argument that leans towards Drogba being a better link player with his teammates than Torres. You claimed Torres loses the ball more often than Drogba. I claim Drogba loses the ball even more than Torres and therefore in that respect, Drogba is worse than Torres.

You claim my point is untrue as Drogba holds the ball and "allows the midfield to play" but he doesn't play with them. If he doesn't play with the midfield, it means he probably has lost the ball which clearly "does not allow the midfield to play". Which also means, his link up play, movement and passes are poor and he does not link up with midfielders as well.

Therefore you cannot hold both points of view. It's a perfect contradiction. Call me all you names you wish. I could not flipping care less.

Hehehe. Ibime has gone from defending his point of view to lying. Now it's about DD "allowing midfield to play" not "playing with midfield". Bearing in mind that his argument was that when Torres gets the ball, he's almost always bullied off it cos he's "weak", he loses the ball and makes mid-fielders run about, he made an argument for Drogba "in a contrasting scope" . .

You gripe over Torres losing the ball constantly and you said this,

(a.) His price
(b.) The fact he is not tactically robust and can only play one way (through ball) and doesnt help his midfielders game
(c.) The sheer amount of times he loses the ball.

To contrast this view, you said this about Drogba.

There is no midfielder who didnt profit from DD's hold-up play, whether to set them up or hold the ball up and give them a breather.

How can DD set them up when according to you,

Allowing the midfield to play" is constructed in a way that yes, he allows the midfield to play, not that he plays with the midfield or does the link-ups and movement with them.

I am bored of this crap Ibime. You see what I told you about saying what you have to for the moment just to make a point. It happened, 2008, 2010 and it's till happening now. The purpose of my argument is still on course. You are jumping from pillar to post.

(a.) DD holds the ball up?


Yes he can. He does this better than most target men of his generation. However. . .

(b.) allows the midfield to play


No. Because even though he's fantastic at bringing down the ball with his chest, you never quite know what DD turns up. That's why he completes the least amount of passes in the Chelsea team behind Ramires. . If you argue that his presence creates fear and uncertainty, which allows the midfield to penetrate through other channels, I quite agree. However through touch, movement and passes, he doesn't. Hence my argument.


(c.) Holds up the ball and allows the midfield to play

As explained above, NO. DD is/wasn't a passing player. If he stopped a 40 yard long ball with his chest, he still had to pass it with his feet. Adn with his feet, he breaks down play. So whether, tiki taka or long ball, the fact that DD had to make passes with feet hindered play. This is why those two sentences of yours are perfectly contradictory.

DD is different from a target man of Mario, Ibra who can actually pass the ball.

You are desperately trying to draw me out of this to string the argument on another course. I will not oblige.
I will choose a different day for that argument.


In 2008, you stated,


Ibime:

What rubbish! So Drogba is better than Torres? . Are Kalou, Malouda and Joe Cole world beaters? How much better than Riera and Babel are they?

In 2012, you stated,

DD in his first two seasons brought more to the table than Torres could ever bring even if he scores 30 goals.

Another page of explanation. Na you dey work. Shey I told you that the desperation to be proven right is impeding your ability to comprehend simple things. In 2008 when you were arguing, it was 4 years since Drogba joined Chelsea. Enough time to have seen what Drogba brought in his first 2 years. In 2008, you stated,

Ibime:
[b]What rubbish! So Drogba is better than Torres? Are Kalou, Malouda and Joe Cole world beaters? How much better than Riera and Babel are they?
[/b]

In 2012, you stated,

DD in his first two seasons brought more to the table than Torres could ever bring even if he scores 30 goals.

It's very surprising that 4 seasons after Drogba turned up, you felt he was not as good as Torres. 8 seasons after, you think he brought more "in his first 2 seasons" than Torres will ever bring. Unless you bring up another full page of how 4 is less than 2, I don't see what you are arguing about. A long epistle does not give your garbage any credence.


The premise of my argument remains the same. You will say what you want in this moment to prove a point. When history catches up with you, you'll just say "I now love him". Avoid the nitpicking with Drogba's touch and all, my argument is still valid.

Hehehehe. Another page to explain a simple question. . Dude's pissing in his knickers about me jumping from argument to argument when the the simple question I have asked "repeatedly in four consecutive posts". If anything, you are the one who's gone from me celebrating Chelsea's loss over AVB's exit, to you trashing me verbally over the season and numerous other lines you keep finding out, in your view, to dispel the severity of your goof.


I have let this slide a number of times but I believe it's time to deal with it once and for all. Can you please point out where I celebrated over Chelsea's loss cos we lost AVB?


I will do you the favour of asking again. . .

How can you claim, style of football or not, that,

DD holds the ball up and allows the midfield to play

when in another scenario you claim that you still believe that

DD's link up and movement is poor. Any good build up ends at Drogbas feet

?


How can you hold two contradictory views about a subject? You cannot.


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We just watched a match where Chelsea tried to play possession footie so there's no need to state disclaimer that "oh but his style works when we play mechanical footie"

Absolute hogwash. You need to state a disclaimer when you go as far as stating. .

I dont believe a team like Chelsea should be playing with a striker as crude as Drogba

It doesnt matter to me how many goals DD scores, Im sure the team can do better without him

"It doesn't matter how many goals he scores" does not take into cognisance, the style of play. As a matter of fact, you don't believe Chelsea should be playing with striker as crude as Drogba. You could have and should have added the a disclaimer but you didn't. These are extreme views of a player and are not based on stats gathered over the course of 90mins.

My point is, you are just an attention seeker who says whatever he has to say in the moment. You'll find silly reasons as back up down the line. You criticise Torres every minute for not being able to play with his back to goal. This is despite the fact that Coogar and I have stated constantly that Chelsea do not play to his strengths. So when I see you sucking Drog's toy in a bid to make Torres look like crap, I have to dig up what you said about Drog in the past.

To further prove my point, this is you at 3.47 on the 10th Nov, 2008 arguing with Suaron over Lampard.

Ibime: What rubbish! So Drogba is better than Torres? Are Kalou, Malouda and Joe Cole world beaters? How much better than Riera and Babel are they?

See? This is how the forum is littered with your garbage. And NO, Torres' and Drogba's styles of playing have not changed. Fast forward to 2012,

DD in his first two seasons brought more to the table than Torres could ever bring even if he scores 30 goals.

If Im a midfielder given a choice of playing behind even a 15-goal-a-season DD and a 30-goal-a-season Torres, I take DD anytime.

You are a disgrace Ibime.

I do not have to show you where you said DD has good touch because I never suggested you said so. Cleared.
Okay so I like how you come back with half a page/full page of explanations to answer a simple question.

Now you are trying to make a difference in the portions of garbage you spewed. I only just got started with you.
AVB, Scolari, Ancellotti v Long ball style of football do not matter here as long as you didn't state that when you made he comment.
To further bring you back to earth, you made the statement(s) after we lost to Spurs in 2010, as opposed to an argument about Anelka V Drogba which you tried to claim at first.

Diva gave you an escape route. A perfect one but you keep digging your hole bigger. I know what DD is and not. Please quit the elementary-esque teachings. . Your statements, without a carefully-worded addendum, is a perfect case of contradiction. So I ask again. . How can you claim, style of football or not, that,

DD holds the ball up and allows the midfield to play

when in another scenario you claim that you still believe that

DD's link up and movement is poor. Any good build up ends at Drogbas feet

?


There's no explanation for this, in light of the event the statement was made. I say again, you cannot hold both points of view. It's as simple as it gets. You have to step down on one and I am waiting patiently for the one you choose. While I am waiting tough, can you also provide a page of reasons for the following statements?

I have always hated DD

I dont believe a team like Chelsea should be playing with a striker as crude as Drogba

Others are just saying now what I've been saying since I joined NL in 2007.

It doesnt matter to me how many goals DD scores, Im sure the team can do better without him

I cannot read all your megede fegede. A lot of mopping up has to be done after a lot of garbage you have spewed in the past. .
It's not desperation on my part. More like from you. Now you are trying to reword and re-write history.

May be I should quote it for you again. How can claim that . .

DD holds the ball up and allows the midfield to play

when in actual fact, according to you,

DD's link up and movement is poor. Any good build up ends at Drogbas feet

It's impossible mate. Your desperation to defend yourself is preventing you from accessing your reading ability. The key sentence here is Any good build up ends at Drogbas feet. You are digging yourself a bigger hole by insisting that you still hold the same view about Drogba from the past.

If any good build up ends up at Drogba's feet, how can he bring mid-fielders to play? You cannot hold both views. You have to step down on one and I am waiting patiently to find out which one it is.

Right. So you suddenly need a page to explain yourself. This is no twisting of words dude. You are speaking English.


How can

DD hold the ball up and allow the midfield to play

when according to you

DD's link up and movement is poor. Any good build up ends at Drogbas feet.

?


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I ain't making anything up. You said it. This is more than 'touch' Ibime. You attacked Drogba's all round play.
The long page highlights little. This is not a Drogba V Torres argument.
If there's one, it's you making it up.

I have always hated DD cos I dont believe a team like Chelsea should be playing with a striker as crude as Drogba who has the first touch of a semi-professional footballer. . . . . . DD's link up and movement is poor. Any good build up ends at Drogbas feet.

. . . . .


Ibime 2010.

Ibime: Here's a stat for y'all. . . . at the start of the 2nd half, it flashed on my screen that Chelsea had completed 280 successful passes to 140 for Tottenham. . . thats double the amount of successful passes.

Its a shame that after 15 or 20 successful passes, the ball ends up at DD's feet, he loses it and we have to start again from square one. If the ball lands to Anelkas feet after a few passes, you can be rest assured that possession will continue until a chance is created.

I have always hated DD cos I dont believe a team like Chelsea should be playing with a striker as crude as Drogba who has the first touch of a semi-professional footballer. Others are just saying now what I've been saying since I joined NL in 2007. Some even argued when I first said that DD first touch is woeful. It doesnt matter to me how many goals DD scores, Im sure the team can do better without him, and this season has brought that to light.

Back in the day when Ibime had sense.


Oya come and tell us what you were saying. This is a classic example of how he jumps about from opinion to opinion.
Taking his last post, one would think he's a seasoned football analyst. Ibime's opinion of football is dependent on the wind's direction. .

All this is megede fegede.

We have thrashed this many times on the forum.
DD loses the ball much more than most strikers on earth. Even you argued on this side in the past.
Suddenly you are complaining about Torres when the forum is littered with your comments of "Drogba's first touch is like an amateur footballer". You even claimed that you have a better touch than Drogba. What changed?


Let's assume for a sec that DD is that fantastic at holding up play (which if anything is the long ball), only a handful of strikers can do it.That's not a stick to beat Torres with. 80% of strikers cannot do it. Not even Lukaku whose frame is similar to Drogba's.

Stop sounding like the world's midfielders' spokesman. . Who knows? Maybe 90% of midfielders would prefer Torres.

Ibime: No mind Nateevs.

20 goals ke.

Na that one we go chop?

Sturridge can GUARANTEE Chelsea 20-25 goals if played in no 9 position and Lukaku would guarantee 20 goals.

What are we paying Torres for?

Oga Lamps cops 20 goals and close to 20 assists for eons, yet Nateevs is/was his number 1 hater.


Why should Torres score only 20 goals in a close-to-60 game season?


Anything less than 30 goals for Torres is ABJECT FAILURE!

This is factoring

(a.) His price
(b.) The fact he is not tactically robust and can only play one way (through ball) and doesnt help his midfielders game
(c.) The sheer amount of times he loses the ball.

Infact, anything less than 35 goals is failure cos dude needs to repay 18 wasted months of copping £175k per week to do nothing.

nateevs: Trust me, Torres will still be considered by many as "not back yet" even if he scores 20 goals next season.

Well. . .

ritchboy: But surely Chelsea's center forward should be scoring more than 20 goals a season. . . 20 goals is only a successful season for Sunderland/Aston Villa strikers. Are you intentionally setting the bar low?

Well I am, just in case.
For a striker who could not buy a goal, 20 goals next season will be a good place to start.
If we are expecting Torres to score 35 goals next season, then we should be in the market for another striker.

BlueDiva: Who exactly are the 'many'?
Some of us are just realist. Why call something grey when it's black?

I will be the biggest supporter of FT when he finds his scoring boots.
You expect sentiment for someone who earns tons of money but can't deliver.

Will you still think Torres is not back yet even if he scores 20 goals next season?
If not, then you are not part of the 'many'. If so, well . . .

Babamide: He had only 2o minutes playing time against italy. Apart from gomez, shevy, bendtner and the russian dude, how many strikes have been that prolific in this tourney. Give the guy some space

Trust me, Torres will still be considered by many as "not back yet" even if he scores 20 goals next season.

dayokanu: Those were the days we should have paid attention to Nateevs but we allowed his idiocy to grow and its now uncontrollable.

You should desist from writing discourteous things like these. There are no grounds under which you should address people in this manner even if their views are completely opposite of yours.

Ibime: Kai. . . I remember when Nateevs and BlueDiva told us Joe Cole was better than Schweinsteiger in 2009!

Find the quote.