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European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Club World Cup Champions 2025-2029 by nateevs(m): 9:12pm On Jun 14, 2012
El Nino!
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Club World Cup Champions 2025-2029 by nateevs(m): 8:25pm On Jun 14, 2012
coogar: it was intentional.
bluediva and the legion of blokes...
to be honest, bluediva is an amazon...how does
she cope with the huge stench of testosterone on this thread?
Ofcourse I know that.
Just trying to let him know I saw what he did there.

Cool stuff.
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Club World Cup Champions 2025-2029 by nateevs(m): 8:14pm On Jun 14, 2012
chic2pimp: TORRESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS IS BACKKKKKKKK LADY AND GENTLEMEN!!!
cheesy
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Club World Cup Champions 2025-2029 by nateevs(m): 8:09pm On Jun 14, 2012
El Nino.
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Club World Cup Champions 2025-2029 by nateevs(m): 4:09pm On Jun 14, 2012
coogar: ask nateevs and ibime.
Dude on this one, you are on your own. grin
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Club World Cup Champions 2025-2029 by nateevs(m): 1:59pm On Jun 14, 2012
ood news, although Jovetic is not too fast. . . so I reckon Mata, Hazard and Jovetic will fight for no10 role. . .
Talk about options. If it all comes down to all of them playing, then we can safely have Mata and Hazard on the flanks and Jovetic in the hole.




Negro please. . . Debuchy who has shown a lot this last season, plus Nathaniel Clyne should be the right-backs we go for. VDW's bad-boy image doesnt help him.
For me, Nathaniel first choice and Cesar Azpilicueta second choice.
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Club World Cup Champions 2025-2029 by nateevs(m):
coogar: nateevs, excited by the di matteo signing or not?
can he rub minds with the grandmasters of the game?
To be honest, not quite excited.
He's proven over the few months he's been here that he can mix things up.
Can he bring that into a full season? I don't know.

He has more problems now. More talented players, bigger squad and the fact that he's set the bar so high for himself.
The biggest problem I believe he will have will be the media and the Pep talk.
One thing he should avoid is the perennial Chelsea November slump.
If we go through a rough patch, however small, the press will all over him asking if he's feeling the pressure.

The question about the length of his contract will be discussed time and again. Some journalists will even ask if he's baby sitting for Pep.
However as always, I will support him. I really hope he does well.
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Club World Cup Champions 2025-2029 by nateevs(m): 10:58pm On Jun 13, 2012
I hear Emenalo has flown out to meet Jovetic's reps and make a deal happen.
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Club World Cup Champions 2025-2029 by nateevs(m): 9:57pm On Jun 13, 2012
dayokanu: Mario Gomez showing other strikers how to do it
Dude was just class!
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Club World Cup Champions 2025-2029 by nateevs(m): 9:09pm On Jun 13, 2012
debosky: Nateevs you know we go way back on NL - these occasional tiffs can't change that history. grin
wink wink
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Club World Cup Champions 2025-2029 by nateevs(m): 8:56pm On Jun 13, 2012
debosky: Ok - this has gone on long enough. I call for a truce.
grin grin
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Club World Cup Champions 2025-2029 by nateevs(m): 8:52pm On Jun 13, 2012
debosky: ^^

Nope, but there is a synonym for utter stoopidity - nateevs. grin
Yeah. I expected that.
Can I ask what Roman's having for dinner?
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Club World Cup Champions 2025-2029 by nateevs(m): 8:46pm On Jun 13, 2012
debosky: Hardly - I have stopped because you're past redemption. If you're too thick to get what I've tried to say thus far, there's no point wasting my time on a lost case like you.
Of course. Is there a smiley for "phuck off"?
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Club World Cup Champions 2025-2029 by nateevs(m): 8:39pm On Jun 13, 2012
Is RVP becoming the new Torres. Na so e dey start ooo.
The misses in the first game seems to be affecting his confidence.

My favourite team may be going out after-all.
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Club World Cup Champions 2025-2029 by nateevs(m): 8:23pm On Jun 13, 2012
Someday you will personally call FT a dud, trust me.
Nefer.



You have to feel for Ronaldo.
He is under immense pressure, i mean, the whole world is watching and expecting him to do wonders.
Those Ronaldo chances were unbelievable.
RVP sef.
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Club World Cup Champions 2025-2029 by nateevs(m): 6:50pm On Jun 13, 2012
BlueDiva: ^^^^
He should, with all the players coming in.
I hope he doesn't go into the season totally relying on Torres. . For his own good.
I am a big fan of Torres and I hope he comes good but we can't hang around.
I think we are trying to sign a striker.

We are being linked Salomon Rondon of Malaga.
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Club World Cup Champions 2025-2029 by nateevs(m): 6:04pm On Jun 13, 2012
BlueDiva: 2 year deal for RDM.

I knew that 1yr deal was mere speculation.
If it ain't on chelseafc.com then it's fake.

I seriously hopes he succeed.
I'm tired of seeing managers sacked.

@lalaboi,
I seriously hope Hulk proves me wrong when he arrives.
Honestly. Everyone is. Let's just give one person a chance.
Who knows? RDM may just succeed even more.
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Club World Cup Champions 2025-2029 by nateevs(m): 6:00pm On Jun 13, 2012
Hahaha! You have backed into a corner and run out of ideas. Your posts are getting shorter by the day cos it's dried up in the tank. How could it not be? It's all based on postulation.

So the option is to get personal. I don't have to call you names and quote history to prove a point. I deal with every point as they come up. Going back in time does not make your point more plausible.


"I know what pants Roman wears, it's clear for all to see. He loves wearing white shirts, so it must be white". You Tabloid reading yob!


I don't have to be a risk analyst to see that a club will seek to reduce risk if it can (amongst other considerations). This simple principle is what cannot be comprehended by nateevs, paragraphs of rubbish later
Thanks for telling us something new. Mr Risk Analyst. Chelsea offer RDM a year's contract on a £2.5m wage because they don't want to expose themselves to risk. Yet they turn around and offer Pep £10m for 4 years which "suddenly slashes the risk exposure" . . . after all it's common sense, Chelsea have to "amongst other consideration", reduce risk. . . SMH.


Just tell us you are spent.
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Club World Cup Champions 2025-2029 by nateevs(m): 4:58pm On Jun 13, 2012
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European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Club World Cup Champions 2025-2029 by nateevs(m): 4:58pm On Jun 13, 2012
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European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Club World Cup Champions 2025-2029 by nateevs(m):
debosky: Do I have to be in the board room to know that an owner is not interested in perpetually paying off managers?
Abramovich does want the CL above all - it can be deduced from his actions. That is what I am saying if it wasn’t spoon fed to you in my previous post.
Yet another speculation, fuelled by tabloid reading yobs like yourself, and regurgitated as the truth. There is no proof on earth with which you can clearly point to as a reason Abramovich sees CL as the holy grail. I am not arguing that he will not want it, however to claim that his actions prove it is BS. Like you said, it's deduction. Others can deduce any other thing. However, to try to claim supremacy of knowledge of Roman's actions over fellow beings, when all available is pure conjecture is not only self-edifying stupidity, it stupendously moronic. What's even worse? You think those who don't agree with you are idiots. Why don't you point out the action that clearly show that this is the case?




debosky: You can’t create some strawman analysis to knock down, your analysis is your own wahala. grin
Again you lack perspective - I haven’t argued about the specific amount he is paid, but the principle remains - whether it is £1m or £5m, reducing the risk exposure makes financial sense for Chelski and Chelski would do that if they could.
Your lack of perspective leads you down the narrow road of equating my statement to ‘paying compensation will lead to not meeting FFP requirements’.
Any reduction in expenditure is welcome - that is the principle here. Be it on compensation, wages, or other expenses.
But no, according to Nateevs, I have to ‘prove’ that Chelski is interested in reducing its losses. What a mor0n! cheesy
[/quote]Ah! So Debo is the new Chelsea risk analyst! Chelsea will like to reduce it losses, so it offers it's manager a year's contract. If you believe the Times and Guardian, Chelsea were going to tempt Guradiola with £10m a year. Now Guardiola is a tiki taka manager, AVB part 2. Never implements a plan B, never worked with players outside Barcelona, never worked in the EPL.

For some reason, our new Chelsea risk analyst (Debo) is postulating that in considering the length of the contract on offer for RDM, the £10m tiki taka, no plan, never worked in the PL, AVB part 2 is considered less of, and in his words, "financial exposure" than £2.5m RDM who's played in the league, managed in the league, knows the players, coached the players, won the FA Cup with them, won the CL with them , has a plan B, maybe even a C.

Who even thinks like this let alone voices it out?

Debo is making us believe he doesn't need to be in the boardroom to know that Chelsea want to reduce their risk exposure. And in doing so, they opted to give Guardiola a 4-year contract which will be less of a risk than £2.5m RDM. So because RDM is more of a risk, they offered him a year.


Can any sane fan on the forum allude to the fact that, aside money, Pep has a genuine chance of success over RDM in his first year? Let alone the guys who runs the club? Pep is more of a risk, financially and otherwise no matter how you look at it.

Any sane person will go for RDM over Pep. However they were going to hire him - at £10m for 4 years even though it defies reason. And who's synonymous with events that defy reason? Roman Abramovic. . . . . Clearly, money is not the issue. Risk assessment is not the issue, neither is risk exposure. Because Roman chooses the manager. They were never going to give RDM the job and Roman, who was and perhaps still is, willing to risk the possibility of a £40m payout to a £10m for RDM is testament to the fact that RDM needs to have done more than just win the CL and that clearly nullifies your assertion, which is the bone of contention, that Roman wants victory over style.
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Club World Cup Champions 2025-2029 by nateevs(m): 2:26pm On Jun 13, 2012
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European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Club World Cup Champions 2025-2029 by nateevs(m):
debosky: As for the 'year's contract' - that may simply be [/b]to counter the large compensation he's been paying over the years

I have not said this is indeed the reason, but [b]it is very plausible
that it was a consideration in giving a one year deal.

My point stands - the one year consideration (if it turns out to be true) likely factors in the recent experience with AVB (another rookie manager) and the compensation his failure involved.
The emboldened is all I could get from your posts and justifiably so; as you don't have a freaking clue what goes on in the boardroom. So assumptions, conjectures, maybes, would be the natural line for you to follow. Where I just get amazed is when you come back and make bold assertion like these.


Even Abramovich isn't interested in perpetually paying off managers.
Abramovich wanted the CL above all
Ex-managers like Grant confirmed his inability to win it as the reason he was fired
I mean. I get all the trying to be witty with the whole argument thing but when you start to mention things like you were right in there when the notes were made or making assertions you can't find links to, it throws the trustworthiness of your all post outta the window.

There is no single one of those statements above that you can prove and that is evidenced by the part nature of your posts - unwillingness to draw full conclusions. I think you should stick to that and quit making yourself you look like the guy who sees things a mile away when you don't know.






As to this,
Are you simply unable to read? Who said he was trying to 'balance the books' on lower wages? Who mentioned how much he was being paid apart from you?
Well nobody did mention it apart from me. However when you give this as the reason he was offered a year.

debosky: Because he cannot continue paying £20m+ on compensation each time he fires a coach with FFP kicking in. Did you fail to comprehend this when I said it D
It means you are claiming the issue of money plays a huge factor. (Yeah I know you came back to say "It's likely" - which only shows the erratic nature of your stance) And if money plays a huge factor as you claim, then we should discuss money.

RDM is a low profile manager. His range will be around £2.5m. So why can't he be offered 3 years? Alright, he's not experienced and that's too much. . . Okay 2 years? You are very silly Debo. You are claiming Chelsea are trying to reduce the risk in compensation when RDM's payoff will most likely not be more than £4m on a 2 year contract, (assuming he's fired mid-sesaon) or £6m on a 3 year contract (assuming he's fired mid-season)

Is this what Debo can't see from afar that I cannot see? Let's revisit your statement.



debosky: Because he cannot continue paying £20m+ on compensation each time he fires a coach with FFP kicking in. Did you fail to comprehend this when I said it D
If this is your reason why you believe a year was offered, based on the analysis above, clearly you are wrong. £4m compensation on a two-year contract will not prevent Chelsea from complying with FFP, will not have Roman blinking, will not do shite. Neither will £6m compensation on a 3-year contract.

So why was he not offered a 2-year contract at the very least?
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Club World Cup Champions 2025-2029 by nateevs(m): 1:23pm On Jun 13, 2012
Ibime: Who cares what Roman wants?
Hehehe.
After spending over a billion on a club, surely everyone has to care what he wants.
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Club World Cup Champions 2025-2029 by nateevs(m): 3:56pm On Jun 11, 2012
Okay I see the whole thing is wandering into territories unbound.
The topic remains:- "On the back on RDM's one-year contract offer, does it prove that Roman prefers result over style or style over result?

That's the question.
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Club World Cup Champions 2025-2029 by nateevs(m): 2:27pm On Jun 11, 2012
Realize that this guy is just a rookie.
Giving him the contract is a big favour.
Okay! So you are arguing for me now. That the manner in which he won the CL is unconvincing right?
What's rookie? It flipping flew out of the window as soon as he won the CL. he didn't just do that, he won the FA Cup and made more money for the club than it ever made in history. Pep is still a rookie. (Untested outside Spain. Incapable of plan B) AVB was a rookie. Grant was a rookie. They all got/will get 4 year's contract at Chelsea. . but he (RDM) "won it" and gets a year in reward?


I think giving him a one year contract is logical.
If he performs well then he will be given more years.
I think giving him a year's contract is an insult.

If he performs well? If he performs well? grin grin grin grin grin
He just won the flipping CL and FA Cup. . .

If he performs well? . . Hilarious! What is the definition of performing well then?
The most successful manager in Chelsea's history needs to perform well to get the job. . .



Anyhow, it shows that Roman appreciates winning and doesn't mind how ugly it is.
If he really hated ugly football, RDM won't stand a chance of going one more year, CL or not.
Ah! Now Roman "appreciates" winning. No longer he "prefers" winning to style.
How condescending! The is the greatest trophy in Europe and any manager who wins it, rookie or not, writes their name into history.
Respect is the least they deserve. A year's contract is an insult.

So you think Roman appreciates winning whether ugly or not. So much that he offers a year's contract.
How are you guys brave enough to argue like this?
Is a 3-year contract too much as well?

Suddenly all of you think Roman is tight on cash. If he fires RDM on £2.5m salary over 3 years, he (Roman) will go broke. Or £7.5m will prevent Chelsea from meeting FFP rules?

Someone help me here.
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Club World Cup Champions 2025-2029 by nateevs(m): 1:44pm On Jun 11, 2012
BlueDiva: Chelsea will never play like Barca, Pep or no Pep.
The billionaire is just chasing wind.

I don't want Pep because i don't think Pep is a good manager.
I hope he comes over someday so he can prove me right.
It is not about what Pep can and cannot do.
It's about what Roman wants.

And it baffles me that it's taken almost 10 years for you all to have a close understanding of what Roman wants.
No one says he doesn't want trophies, but heck he wants style first.


BlueDiva: Anyway, even if it's a 1 year contract, it still shows that winning the CL is the only reason he was offered a contract.
Chelsea didn't play beautiful footie under RDM, the only reason he is getting the job is because of his feat.

Roman isn't going to get his 'beautiful footie'.
If that was his sole aim then there is no sense in offering RDM any contract at all.
Winning the CL is the only reason he was offered a "one-year contract"?
Who gets a 1-year contract as a reward for delivering the most successful season in the club's history?


Chelsea didn't play beautiful football under RDM, the only reason he is getting the job is because of his feat?
If he is getting the job because of his feat, he should be getting at least a 4 year contract. So why is he getting "a year's contract"?
Has it not occurred to you that maybe the reason he is getting only "a year's contract" is because of the manner he achieved his feat?
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Club World Cup Champions 2025-2029 by nateevs(m):
BlueDiva: Anyway, even if it's a 1 year contract, it still shows that winning the CL is the only reason he was offered a contract.
Chelsea didn't play beautiful footie under RDM, the only reason he is getting the job is because of his feat.

Roman isn't going to get his 'beautiful footie'.
If that was his sole aim then there is no sense in offering RDM any contract at all.
Exactly, Now you are coming to my point.
There's no smoke without fire. All the reports about Roman meeting Pep and lusting after him have elements of truth.

Pep's on a year's leave and stated categorically he won't be walking into another job.
Acting otherwise is a stain on his personality and disrespect to Barcelona.

That's why RDM was offered a year. . . baby sitting till Pep comes out of leave.
No other manager "capable of employment at Chelsea" on earth will take a year's contract. Not one!
RDM will and that's why he took it. And the offer is inspite of the CL not because of it. If you think RDM had the job all along then there's a lot of naivety on here.

Going into the final, Roman must have realised there's an outside chance of winning. If winning it was all there is to him, RDM should have been confirmed Manager the next day. Instead Gourlay said, in the search of a manager "Robbie will be considered" . .

Why will Roman be courting another CL winning manager when we have one who has already won it?
And Debo, for some strange reason, believes that if Pep had been employed, he would have been offered a year's contract too - because Roman can't keep paying £20m in compensation?


How can anyone attempt to build a logical argument of that sort?
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Club World Cup Champions 2025-2029 by nateevs(m): 1:03pm On Jun 11, 2012
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As for the 'year's contract' - that may simply be to counter the large compensation he's been paying over the years
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And this is just the joke of the century. I believe this was said without much thought.

RDM despite the CL win is not yet a high profile manager and his pay will very much reflect that.
To put things in perspective, any other manager offered a year's contract after a CL and FA Cup win will turn off their phones.
RDM, conversely, will jump at the chance and ultimately surrenders the opportunity to demand high wages.

If I put a figure to it, he won't get more than £2.5m - £3m a year.
Are u saying Roman is trying to balance the books on £2.5 - £3m a year wages in case he fires him? Joke?

Or that Roman henceforth, will continue to offer Managers "one year contracts" because of imminent compensation?

Whichever way you look at it, what you said is a joke. Absolute cods-wallop!
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Club World Cup Champions 2025-2029 by nateevs(m):
Grant was a stop gap - even the mice running along Fulham Road know this. As for the 'year's contract' - that may simply be to counter the large compensation he's been paying over the years. Even though he's gotten the holy grail, Abramovich is still an impulsive owner and may fire him by December. cheesy

AVB was supposed to be JM's second coming, but some of us saw that was going to end in failure as well. grin
Hahahaha! You sound like Roman's PA.
Conjecture, assumption, maybes maybes.

If Roman will offer 4 years to Managers who have won the CL for others clubs in anticipation that they will win it for Chelsea, why would he give a year's contract to a Manager who has already won it for Chelsea?

That alone, throws all your speculation out of the window.
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Club World Cup Champions 2025-2029 by nateevs(m): 12:18pm On Jun 11, 2012
BlueDiva: Well, he isn't getting a 1 year contract.
That justifies the claim that RA rewards winning the CL, no matter the style.

Winning is more important for Roman.
JM was sacked not for his style of play but for challenging Roman's interferance.
Ooops! Chelsea TV talked of a year's contract.
Where did you see it's not a year contract?
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Club World Cup Champions 2025-2029 by nateevs(m): 11:49am On Jun 11, 2012
debosky: . . . .and it proves what I (and others) have been saying for years - the CL is the holy grail for Roman and deeply influences his managerial decisions, typified by Mourinho and Ancelotti.
Scolari, Grant, AVB?
So he finally gets the "holy grail" and rewards him with "a year's contract" right?

I still don't get where it proves what you claim. Please show me.

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