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Nadanbata:
@Nchara slightly?

lmao. See thier MW of electricty coming in? I just posted the figure. 70% naija under poverty 17% in Indonesia no comparison. Their economy is more diversified than ours as well. Better airports. Infrastructure etc etc.

Yes they have better infrastructure but poverty is biting there as in Nigeria. I like to gauge these things by what people on the ground say.
Our lack of infrastructure is not due to poverty but due to corruption and inefficiency

They are just slightly better off than us but we are in the same general level of poverty

How many of those 232 M or so people live above poverty level in REALITY?

My students told me Indonesians export the good products and the citizens mostly eat the bad, spoiled ones due to poverty
I'd rather go by that first-hand knowledge than what some govt data says.

dayokanu:
Which two of those criteria do those "Cities" you listed in Wyoming meet?

This is about Nigeria, though

But those cities will meet at least:

1. Overall relative development (buildings and types of thereof, hospitals, roads, transport system, living standards, etc).
2. Significant industrial/commercial/service base in sync with their population strength. The mining and ecotourism industries in Laramie WY (for e.g.) will cover a significant swathe of the population.

The whole of WY, ND, SD is full of large, medium or small scale mining industries including crude oil in some of them. With those come banks and hotels.

I agree some US cities are too small in pop to be true cities

But the thread says one-city states in Nigeria. All US states have more than one full-fledged city by any standard.

More here
http://www.google.com/search?q=photos+of+indonesia+slums&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a

slums in indonesia

Take am easy oh!!
Some Indonesian sandwich students just left my lab back home and their lamentations are apparent. Not all glitters in Indonesia

But funny enough every town of some name recognition in Nigeria is described as a city
Even Afikpo, Ijebu Ode, etc are referred to as cities. I guess anything goes in Nigeria

dayokanu:
[size=18pt]What are the things that make a city?[/size]


That is the most important question.

And those States I mentioned tell me 5 cities in them and what economic/Industrial activities goes on in them


Per Wikipedia, Newark has a Population of 35,000 , Dover 40,000

I mean a city of 30,000 people is just like 2 Bus stops in Ikorodu ( I know you lived in Ikorodu and you would be familiar with it)

In Nigeria, the criteria will easily be:

Population
Significant administrative presence (state capitals)
Significant Industrial base
Significant business/commercial base
[s]Land mass (a warped criterion but typical of Nigeria)[/s]
Overall relative development (buildings and types of thereof, hospitals, roads, transport system, living standards, etc).

At least two or three of these should play out, IMO

Most towns in Nigeria have populations of 100+, so that cancels out.
University presence will not make a city, otherwise places like Umudike, Otta, Ago Iwoye, Ekpoma, Nsukka etc will also be cities.

Wyoming cities and their pop as per wiki. Now you can see that pop alone does not make a city. Otherwise all Nigerian towns will be cities.


1

City of Cheyenne

Laramie County

59,466



2

City of Casper

Natrona County

55,316



3

City of Laramie

Albany County

30,816



4

City of Gillette

Campbell County

29,087



5

City of Rock Springs

Sweetwater County

20,905



6

City of Sheridan

Sheridan County

17,461



7

City of Green River

Sweetwater County

12,149



8

City of Evanston

Uinta County

11,781



9

City of Riverton

Fremont County

10,032



10

Town of Jackson

Teton County

9,806



11

City of Cody

Park County

9,309



12

City of Rawlins

Carbon County

8,740



13

City of Lander

Fremont County

7,264



14

City of Douglas

Converse County

5,971



15

City of Powell

Park County

5,524



16

City of Torrington

Goshen County

5,514



17

City of Worland

Washakie County

4,958



18

City of Buffalo

Johnson County

4,832



19

Town of Newcastle

Weston County

3,390



20

Town of Wheatland

Platte County

3,298

dayokanu:
Population is a major point when categorizing cities

Ogbomoso doesnt rank side by side with Ibadan but it is beyond a town going by Nigerian standard

What are the names of the 2nd cities in those States I listed and what criteria makes them cities?

In Idaho for instance only Boise has a population over 100k, Same with North Dakota, Arkansas, Rhodes Island,  Missisipi, South Dakota etc

In States like Wyoming, Delaware Maine etc,  NO single city above 100k and only 1 or 2 above 50k. In Oyo State at least we have 10 towns with over 100k ppl.

Pop is just only one of many factors. What other indices classify Ogbomosho as a city other than its population? To begin with can you mention one industry in Ogbomosho? What is the overall state of devpt?

ak47mann:
When i send goods to Nigeria,after i cleared my container from Lagos port i take it straight to oladikpo, pay for space to off load my goods,there is one boy from enugu state call nnamdi, he was the one that market my goods for me i stand their with him and watch how he sold the goods and what he makes on each kits is almost the same profit i was making and i am the importer,everthing went well and other traders were telling me what to buy for next consignment,  what i did was i meet some big top shooters in the market they gave me list of what they sell and how much they will buy from me.

When i went back to abroad i did more resarch on the products,i end up purchasing those products the traders want,as am buying it am calling them to tell them what am purchasing for them and i bumped up the price and for my surprise they agree on the price.

When my goods arrived my boy nnamdi wasn't happy cos the product is not his line and i said to him look is business, i didn't travel to abroad to purchase these goods for you,we are not in business partner.I then asked him how many times i called you from oversea and ask you about some product for you to simple do resarch for me end of the day you are the one that will sell it,but you never gave me a positive answer.

I then travel to onicha meet one of my old friend he runs a big merchandise, i told him what am selling and all that, and the price  i was shocked cos it-was like extra 50% profit margin from Lagos guys, i now switch to him, for my surprise when my next consignment came to Nigeria i invited him to Lagos as i was off loading those marketers were coming one by one pricing my goods i ignored eveyrboby finish off loading,then i called those top shooters in oladikpo and i ask them what are you paying for this item? they will tell me their price and my man was sitting their quietly and i ask him his own price his price is like 50 percent profit extra from what the oladikpo guys were pricing.

Then i turn to oladikpo guys and tell them look this other guy is taking the whole thing,they were angry one of them then asked me, were is these guy from?i said onitsha they all kept quiet.

since then, fot the past 2yrs my consignment goes straight to onitsha

Onlytruth:
I'm still buying a plot of land somewhere near Trans-Ekulu (Enugu) February next year (as soon as this lady friend returns to Enugu).
The town is the capital of Eastern Nigeria. Those educated enough know that.
Internet claimants can't change that. 

Sure but those claimants also include Ak47mann who now claims Ojukwu belongs to them. As for me all of Alaigbo belong to me

Onlytruth:
I'm wondering too!
What would happen if and when Enugu International Airport comes on?
Then some idiots would come to tell us that Enugu is not ours.

lol
As long as they don't stop you from flying via that airport. lol for internet claims.

dayokanu:
I disagree about your classification, Ogbomosho deserves to be ranked higher than what you give it.

Also it happens in the US too.

How many Cities do you know in Montana, North Dakota, Wyoming, South Dakota, Arkansas, Missouri, Mississippi, Connecticut, Maine, Rhodes island, Delaware, Indiana, Kentucky, West Virginia, Vermont etc?

How does Ogbomosho rank against Ibadan?
The only way Ogbomosho will be ranked as a city is on the basis of population. It falls flat on other considerations

Even the most outlandish US states namely the Dakotas and Wyoming  have by far more than one city by american standard. They are of course not popular like LA, SF Houston and all that.

ak47mann:
bandict

anambra might have under graduates,but you cant take away that they are business minded people,and am not telling you for talk sake,you cant just open your mouth and talk rubbish you most realised that most graduates in anambra end up during business,their are big top shots PHD holders in anambra state, but most of them are in business,some are not.

Anambra people  understanding of the core values and beliefs that drive business in Nigeria and beyond,every body is talently different in their aspect in life,but am sorry to hurt your feelings were we come from, we are all business minded and educated.
Apart from my uncle he studied mathematics and statistics in England in the 60s and a PHD holder, if you argue more i will post his website to shut you up, apart from him every other person are self made entrepreneur , if you like believe it or not.That's your problem.

We might not walk on the same pavement you might be right,but don't forget that ejiro mgbaru anya isi you want me to reveal myself to unknown, just to win an argument

And we got names like chinua achebe,chika obi,ikemba,etc these are world known.

So Ojukwu now belongs to Anambra only?
How has Chinua/Chike Obi/etc contributed to the devpt of Anambra specifically?
Like I said, all your intellectuals have left the house open for Omata traders to take over, hence Anambra's under-achieving status

I beg  make una rest this matter.

GAR3TH:
The only thing that has change over the years are the states and LGAs that "border" them. Just like east central state which was broken up into 5 states or Rivers which was broken up into 2 states. Those divisions caused the one-city states you see today, that are economical inviable.

Very true.
But for state creation Owerri, Aba and Umuahia would have been in one state. Same for Calabar, Uyo and Ikot Ekpene and other states.

Yet, states like Rivers will still have only PH, for Yenagoa is still nowhere near a city status even by Nigerian standard.

And your people in Oun cannot pay tax. So how can they be helped?

musiwa,,.:
you make me laugh. nigeria govt contributed to that  airport. And there was a reason why nigeria govt refused to built that airport.  the reason is that within an area of less than  40,000 km, there will be 5 airport.  who is going to use them , 


and mr , it is not the duty of the people to built thing. it is the duty of the govt. 

And i think you are not nigerian. In nigeria, the govt operate unitary system of govt and not federalism as in the constitution.

The govt of Nigeria collect revenue or taxes for everything. even the air. the state are not allowed to collect what belong to them. Because the people who setting up this law, set it up because of ethnic hate.  Nigeria had dictators in power.  so nigeria laws were set up to perform ethnic hate

That why when ban kim moon made a mistake to go to nigeria. the people felt Ban kim moon was supporting this injustice and they bomb up the UN  office.   Because there is injustice in nigeria.

This is why I have said over and over again remove Edo, delta and Yorubas,  And the united nation have no choice. at least ban kim moon can see what they can do.

How else can I help you since you cannot help yourself to help yourself? Your people have ruled Nigeria in recent times. They should have helped you then. Bye bye, and try to help yourself sometimes, for heaven (Nigerian govts) help only those who help themselves.

eatme:
Did you really google "stunting"  

All you bush Nigerians that just came to America yesterday,  *smh*

Well, what I actually meant was `stuntin`` as `To look real good, and know that you look good, so good that when you walk by, people's head's turn.`

But apparently, I have to spell everything out to all you main market traders.

F # 1: You meant to say ''stuntin'' but ended up saying stunting? Then you turn around and blame it on the who read accurately what you wrote (not what you meant to write)
F# 2: No Imo person  has shown off (stunted) on this thread

How much more do you want to wallow, educated illiterate, American wannabe bomboy?

musiwa,,.:
why do you tell lies on the internet

It means you are ignorant of the Igbo community spirit
Igbo people built Imo airport without govt money
Our parents were taxed to build it.
Many communities build civic centers, schools and cottage hospitals and buy transformers for their own electrification
Since the govt cannot help due to incompetence or corruption, you SW and North should stop waiting for it (the govt) all the time for everything.

9jaganja:
Please don't insult your people's history please don't!!

In my head, what you said about the Igbos paints a picture of savages dwelling in jungles. Samething Europeans said of Native Americans and the excuse used to perpetuate their evils!!,

The point of the matter remains that you are wrong and simply shut down this thread. Mind your own business and leave other to be "undeveloped" even though no one wants to live in your "developed" cities!! Orevoir!!!

Why not mention any SE and SS (except Benin) ancient (pre-colonial) city/town that you know of in history instead of the useless rants? Except perhaps in your mind, living in villages does not make one a savage otherwise everyone must have been a savage at some point in history since there were no cities from the start of humanity. And who talked about developed cities here with a tribal connotation? Seems like tribalism, seen and unseen, go kill may pepole here oh!!!

eatme:
Only an agadi would misinterpret stunting in the context it was used as "stunted development"

That's how I deduced you were of the older generation. 

So, about igbara mu Christmas,  achoro mu BlackBerrrry.

Anambra/Enugu people disgust me shaaa

All of this ontop of a mall?  Reading you mor.ons arguing over which underdeveloped state is least underdeveloped is pure comedic. Its like watching Special Olympics event; at the end of the event, win or loss they are still all "challenged". So, in essence what I'm trying to say is,  after all of this nonsense, both states will remain a mere underdeveloped states in a 3rd world country.

Unu will never find Imo/Abia publicly shaming themselves like this! We truly understand the meaning of Nwannedinamba!!

Ya'll should continue with your nonsense while Imo people Stay stunting!!


Imo, ndewo nu oooo!!!

1. stunting: A word used to describe a person who is showing off or trying to get attention by performing an elaborate act or stunt and being someone they are not.
2. Stuning: arrested development

How does any of those definitions fit in here?

Which Imo person has been trying to show off here?
Now I know why bomboys such as yourself are unable to pass WAEC and JAMB.

eatme:
Only an [b]adagi [/b]would misinterpret stunting in the context it was used as "stunted development"

That's how I deduced you were of the older generation. 

So, about igbara mu Christmas,  achoro mu BlackBerrrry.

Okay bomboy, what is adagi again?

9jaganja:
ok so I don't want to get into the debate with you. But here is my exit question. Did SE come into existence in 1900? I bet you it isn't,  Man ancient kemet cities vanished does that mean anything in terms of developmental problems? NO!!!

Where are the earliest SE settlements today?

I don't see Biafra in everything  olodo, I used it to qualify an attitude I see on NL from Biafra cryers.

Igbos never lived in large cohesive communities like the Yoruba and the North, hence you hardly find any known Igbo town city before the coming of the colonialists. One reason you should learn other people's history in addition to yours. The earliest Igbo settlements are still there as villages. Most, if not all,  SE cities/towns are not more than 100 + years old.

eatme:
Agadi, how would you know?

Okay, I feel like respecting my elders today, so, Imma translate it for you. It means, Dede, gbara mu Christmas!

Okay oh. I hear you, bomboy.

eatme:
Anambra/Enugu people disgust me shaaa



Ya'll should continue with your nonsense while Imo people Stay stunting!!

What does that mean again?

9jaganja:
NO THEY ARE NOT; stop trying to be modest with sarcasm, Appreciate something not compare. No one is happy with the way Nigeria is and I'm sure you ain't unless you are one of those "Nigeria must fall for Biafra to happen" folks which I will take my chance that you are not,

The oldest city in the entire SE is Enugu (founded in 1900 or so). Can you compare that to Ibadan Kano, Maiduguri, Kaduna, Benin and even Ife?

BTW, do you see Biafra in everything?

9jaganja:
You seem so hell bent on painting others as not growing at all,  I guess all the Arochukwu villages are El dorados uhh

I have talked about Arochukwu and similar places I believe. Can we discuss without injecting tribalism where there is none? Thanks

BTW most SE and SS (except Benin) are baby cities compared to the ancient cities in the SW and North.

No one will believe that Borno is the same place we studied in ancient WA history- all that El' Kanemi stuff . Borno, Kano, Zaria, Oyo (state), Benin, Ife should have outpaced themselves in development by now. But they remain some of the most backward cities (or states) in Nigeria

Indeed, Nigeria is a stunter of growth.

JamesDoe:
The Western Region and Lagos has a history of "urbanisation" that predates colonialism eg Ibadan.

Therein lies the question of why did Ogbomosho and Oyo (for e.g.,) not get to Ibadan status? What stunted their growth? Same for other pre-colonial places like Kano, Benin, Zaria, Borno etc.

Ejiné:
- Planned buildings and road networks

- Managed by a 'mayor' and not an LG chairman

- government-aided commerce

- Seperate budget from other LGA's

- Population density over 50% more than atleast 33% of the state combined

- In ancient English times, a city must contain a cathedral.

like I said, there is no single definition. In Nigeria, local political influence (in relation to neighbouring towns), population size, business development (banks, industries, standard shopping centers etc), schools at all levels, hospitals will be some (not all) of the considerations

Musiwa,

The secondary school in my village in the SE was built by the people of my village. Like Andre said, you guys have to start helping your govt too. It should not be that way, but that is Nigeria for you.