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PoliticsRe: Why Are Nigerian States Mostly One-city States? by Nchara(op): 8:25pm On Dec 18, 2011
GAR3TH:
Like I said any administrative settlement can be called a city but People refer to them as hamlets, towns, villages or cities. You cant look me in the eye and call yenagoa, Dutse, Abakaliki or Osogbo cities. A town of 9 people can be called a city, but is it really a city? no, you can not sit there and tell me a capital with 9 people is a city. People will refer to it as a town/ village.

But none of those cities have a pop less than 100K. I agree that Yenagoa has an issue with overal development. Except for the fact of being state capitals, none of those pass my own personal test of a city. Including Ado Ekiti and many northern state capitals

Like I said previously just compare True Cities like Lagos, Johannesburg, Casablanca, Toronto, DC etc. to those in Nigeria. If your going to call something a city then it should infact match up to other cities around the world right? Nigerian cities would be Lagos, Ibadan, Benin, Port harcourt, Kaduna and kano. The rest will be considered large towns.

Remember like I showed before, There are suburban towns in the USA with populations of 300,000 plus and GDP of over a billion and they are still considered towns. But some how the same thing in Nigeria people are calling them cities  huh
I do not see how you will classify Ibadan, Benin and Port Harcourt as cities and not Enugu. What are your criteria? You even left out Abuja lol.

If based on Johannesburg, Casablanca, Toronto, DC, then only Lagos (in part) and Abuja fit into the category.
PoliticsRe: Nigeria’s Domestic Debt Too High — Obi by Nchara: 8:19pm On Dec 18, 2011
There are essentially two ways to run a govt:
1. Borrow and use it wisely so that the dividends can pay back the debt. If used unwisely then you are in shytte.
2. Do not borrow; manage what you have and produce less dividends- good where corruption is an issue as in Nigeria.
PoliticsRe: Anti-Gay Bill: “Go Back To School” Soyinka Tells Nigerian Legislators by Nchara: 8:15pm On Dec 18, 2011
Okay, good if it is their private affairs, but they will be crossing the African cultural lines should they begin to appear nude/semi nude in public places as is common in Belgium and San Francisco. Let's keep it personal.
PoliticsRe: Mall Is To Enugu As Health Center Is To Abia by Nchara(op): 8:02pm On Dec 18, 2011
asha 80:
i believe in basic development first(good roads,learning facilities,security,agric avtivities etc)before any 'mega' project.
Heath is as basic if not more basic than most of those you mentioned. Only agric is unrivalled as the most basic thing on earth
PoliticsRe: Mall Is To Enugu As Health Center Is To Abia by Nchara(op): 7:56pm On Dec 18, 2011
manny4life:
Would you mind providing pics for this "world class" health centers? I like to see for myself this hospital that is "supposedly" taking the health care advantage/development with contrast to other SE states. IMO, I think our states are growing but NONE is actually developing. If we take the time and look at how development is planned and implement, all I see is just faked, blanked, not-so-modern achievement. I believe Anambra should be given an "A" for their trade, if harnessed properly, can as well lead to other things.
Video speaks louder than photos. Please click and watch.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FRN6w8pNaqo&feature=youtu.be Thanks.

Note that ''world class'' as used here is a relative term

How do you define development? All at once make over or progressive make over?

Most Igbos states have trade going for them. Orlu and Nkwerre boys (Imo), as well as Ohafia, Item and Abriba boys (Abia) are as good traders as Nnewi and Onitsha boys. All should get A grades in trading. lol
PoliticsRe: Why Are Nigerian States Mostly One-city States? by Nchara(op): 7:48pm On Dec 18, 2011
GAR3TH:
A small town, even if they are capitals, are still considered towns even in the western world. The administrative name for any settlement, despite its population is considered a city.  But people refer to towns, hamlets, villages or cities by their population and economic activity. There are suburban towns with populations of 330,000 but they are not referred to as cities because they don't have major economic activity, influence and other factors.

But what a city is can not really be defined. They way I define a city is by comparing. We all know lagos is a true city, so just compare lagos to other towns and see if those towns can be called a city. In reality you'll find that nigeria only has about 10 true cities.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islip_(town),_New_York

population 322,612, GDP ~ 1 billion still considered a town
Do you know of any country in the world where a state capital is better described as a town than a city? Am curious. Thanks. Yes, population alone does not completely make a city.

What could be your ten true cities in Nigeria? That makes it even worse than the title of my thread which gives 36 cities + Abuja (And Yenagoahuhhuh?) and the few commercial cities I mentioned.
PoliticsRe: Why Are Nigerian States Mostly One-city States? by Nchara(op): 7:44pm On Dec 18, 2011
scholes0:
Dude, why are you talking out of your Bottom??
Have U ever been to Okene before??

Yeah right, that was what I thought about Okene, before I travelled there./,  It is a BIG CITY, with thriving Commerce, everywhere, arguably one of the most important cities in Central Nigeria.
Apparently, someone here thinks Okene is a ''glorified village''

that u dont know nathing about Okene, doesen't mean, Millions of other Nigerians don't.
Practically every Nigerian village has a thriving commerce on agricultural produce in local markets many with no shades or stalls. I have been to Okene twice but for the bigger population, it is not different from Afikpo or Idanre. I guess they are all cities then.
PoliticsRe: Why Are Nigerian States Mostly One-city States? by Nchara(op): 7:08pm On Dec 18, 2011
dayokanu:
Any place with a population of over 300k deserves a city status.
Let's analyze this:

Okene (Kogi state) has a pop of 320,260 (according to Wiki) and 444990 (from Alj Harem's link). But that is practically all we know about that place in terms of anything you might consider of importance for a place to be considered a city.

In contrast, Asaba (Delta State) has a pop of 149603 (2006 census, which I believe is inaccurate), but it is a state administrative place with an airport, banks, several standard hotels, thriving commerce and some industries that are working. Will Okene be a city and Asaba not, IYO?
PoliticsRe: Why Are Nigerian States Mostly One-city States? by Nchara(op): 6:58pm On Dec 18, 2011
JamesDoe:
Cities (except govt fiat ones) are organic but states and their boundaries have been arbitrarily drawn.
Govt fiat is perhaps the most important reason why Nigerian states are mostly one-city states?
Another will be the penchant for govts (states and fed) to develop the country unevenly
PoliticsRe: Why Are Nigerian States Mostly One-city States? by Nchara(op): 6:55pm On Dec 18, 2011
Yinkay:
There is Umuakwu City in Nsullu ,Isiala Ngwa North in Abia State, where re welcomed there as a Youth Corper some years ago with frothing Palmwine during endurance trek, so Abia will have Aba,Umuahia and Umuakwuhuh, cheesy
How do we locate that city on the map? grin grin grin grin grin grin grin grin grin grin grin grin grin grin grin
PoliticsRe: Why Are Nigerian States Mostly One-city States? by Nchara(op): 6:36pm On Dec 18, 2011
Abagworo:
A city has to be planned and must have high rises and public buildings. Population does not matter much. Oklahoma city has only just over half a million inhabitants but is a city. In Nigeria a place like Abeokuta with over half a million people still looks like a large densely populated village. Same goes for Akure, Aba, Oshogbo-Ede, Onitsha, Aba, Kano, Zaria, Benin.  They lack high ways, well layed out streets and High rises. Take a look at Lagos(Particularly the Island not Ikorodu,Surulere or Ikeja) and Abuja, while driving there you will have the feel of a city.
High rise buildings alone don't make a city. Otherwise only Lagos (those parts you mentioned) and Abuja will qualify as cities. Enugu, Owerri and Umuahia are significantly well-planned cities but no major high rises. Population does matter but is not the only criterion. Moreover, it is difficult to arrive at a population cut off that makes a city.

Per Nigeria, I believe a place with some level of planned infrastructure with a pop of 100K and above, having some number of viable industries (not necessarily farming), significant commerce, administrative significance, hotels and banks is a city. That brings many Nigerian cities into my definition.

However it is put, it is clear that many Nigerian states are one-city states.
PoliticsRe: Why Are Nigerian States Mostly One-city States? by Nchara(op): 6:15pm On Dec 18, 2011
DK,

By that definition of 300K cut off
Lokoja
Asaba
Abakaliki
Yenagoa
Jalingo
and possibly others
all state capitals but with pop below even 250K (by Nigerian fake census) will not be cities.

How would you consider a ''city'' with 299K people?
PoliticsRe: Why Are Nigerian States Mostly One-city States? by Nchara(op): 6:10pm On Dec 18, 2011
dayokanu:
Any place with a population of over 300k deserves a city status.

Ibadan for one is not known for industries but as a huge population center Same with kano. How many of those cities you listed are capital cities?

Ogbomoso and Oyo have huge populations, Has Higher institutions, has a large expanse of Land Those are factors which qualify it for a city status
By that definition all state capitals with less than 300K are not cities, right? How did you arrive at that particular number?
Indeed there are many industries in Ibadan; it seems however to be overwhelmed by the huge population.

I do not see anywhere in the world where having higher institutions make a place a city
We often hear the phrase ''university town'' every now and then.

Does the desert, uninhibited large expanse of land between Kano and Jigawa make that place a city?

There is something unique in Enugu, Ibadan, Benin, Kano, Abeokuta, Lagos, and other such cities that makes them cities that are clearly lacking in Ogbomosho. Of course this is my opinion and it is not in any way official.

I believe Lagos (whatever the boundary is) should be divided into more than the one megacity it is now.
PoliticsRe: Why Are Nigerian States Mostly One-city States? by Nchara(op): 5:54pm On Dec 18, 2011
apocalypse:
@ poster
Going by your judgements of other "cities" even Umuahia wouldn't make it to city status. I think your post has tribal emphasis , think not ?
Umuahia is a state capital. All Nigerian state capitals are automatically cities (going by the norm in Nigeria). Take your stoopid tribalism to your bedroom. Thanks.
PoliticsRe: Why Are Nigerian States Mostly One-city States? by Nchara(op): 5:51pm On Dec 18, 2011
dayokanu:
Since Africa is not known for industries why should we now base it on it?

Ogbomosho and Oyo have several educational institutions , they also have their own small scale industries

They have the needed POPULATION and land mass to categorize them as cities
Every Nigerian town has one small scale industry or another. What is your population cut-off that we can determine from?
Africa is not known for industries? What is Lagos, Nnewi, Aba, Kano, P.H. Ibadan known for again?

If we go by industries, then Agbara in Ogun state and Nnewi in Anambra state should be cities.

Ogbomosho has LAUTech, Oyo has Adeyemi Col of Edu. What else do they have? So do other smaller towns such as Otta, Umudike, Ekpoma etc. Are they also cities?

Only pop can ever classify Ogbomosho as a city but then we need to have a cut= off so that other towns within that cut-off will be added as cities too.
PoliticsRe: Polo Park - Enugu's First Mall Steps Out by Nchara: 5:44pm On Dec 18, 2011
Now I see that there is more to it in this wawa versus agbenu fight. lol Una get time.
PoliticsRe: Why Are Nigerian States Mostly One-city States? by Nchara(op): 5:41pm On Dec 18, 2011
An urban area is characterized by higher population density and vast human features in comparison to areas surrounding it. Urban areas may be cities, towns or conurbations,
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Urban_area
PoliticsRe: Why Are Nigerian States Mostly One-city States? by Nchara(op): 5:34pm On Dec 18, 2011
What is urban? A town is also an urban area, no? Must you be a city to be urban?

How does that relate to this thread?

Yes, Ibadan is the largest, IYO,  so what? it Is still a city, no? This thread is not talking about populations, it is talking about one-city status.
What other cities are in Oyo state except you rate based on population, when Ogbomosho and Oyo would then be considered?
PoliticsRe: Why Are Nigerian States Mostly One-city States? by Nchara(op): 5:30pm On Dec 18, 2011
alj_harem:
Ok here it is

Note ranking is done based on the world standared and in the ordered

Urban Area Rank       City Pop Rank            City   City Population                              Urban Area Population
27                                       15                  Lagos     8029200                                            9123200
88                                     53                   Kano         3248700                                            3519500
78                                     54                  Ibadan       3078400                                            3670400
259                                     151                 Kaduna     1458900                                            1458900
324                                   255           Port Harcourt     1053900                                            1190600
392                           256                       Benin     1051600                                            1051600
428                                282                     Maiduguri         971700                                            971700
469                                  304               Zaria     898900                                             898900
468                                350                       Aba     784500                                             899100
554                               371                       Ilorin             756400                                             756400
563                              377                      Jos     742100                                             742100
[s]420                               386                 Ogbomosho     726300                                             985600[/s]
[s]656                       456                     Oyo     620400                                             620400[/s]
621                             479                   Enugu             593300                                             662800
597                         560                Abeokuta             529700                                             698100
413                             594                   Onitsha             509500                                            1001000
817                            609                   Warri      500900                                               500900
818                             610                   Sokoto      500500                                             500500
[s]885                            694                  Okene      444900                                              444900[/s]
899                            713                Calabar      431200                                              431200
302                            729                  Oshogbo       421000                                              1309900
954                            797                    Katsina      387000                                               387000
984                            844                   Akure       369700                                              369700
[s]1121                   1012                   Ife                   313400                                            313400[/s]


etc

http://www.mongabay.com/igapo/Nigeria.htm
The thread is not talking about pop numbers but about one-city status of most Nigerian states. Still yours is based on pop only and we know how distorted our pop acquiring procedures are. Its not finicky to me, sorry. Oshogbo and Ife which ranks first in the overall scheme of things in Osun state?
PoliticsRe: Why Are Nigerian States Mostly One-city States? by Nchara(op): 5:28pm On Dec 18, 2011
dayokanu:
^^ By my own reckoning cities should be ranked by population (most importantly)

I cant find any definition of a city which excludes the large Population
I already acknowledged that but still maintain that it is only one of the factors, as data from cities outside Nigeria suggest too. So what is your cut off (100K, 200K, 1000K?) population? Most Nigerian towns have pops of 100K+

A ''city'' of 200k that has no single industry of note and must depend on good and services from a city of 50 k is a no brainer to me.
PoliticsMall Is To Enugu As Health Center Is To Abia by Nchara(op): 5:22pm On Dec 18, 2011
What's with Imo, Anambra and Ebonyi  in terms of concrete, novel developments? grin grin grin grin grin

See the Enugu mall news here https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-826991.0.html

And learn about the ''world class'' health centers of Abia in the video in this link https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-810723.0.html

Each SE state must show at least one concrete thing they are doing. That is the least we expect from our govts. No Enugu vs Anambra childish bickerings please
PoliticsRe: Why Are Nigerian States Mostly One-city States? by Nchara(op): 5:10pm On Dec 18, 2011
What relative development do you expect from a "city" of 20,000 people? Thats the population of 2 bus stops in Lagos.

If those small scale companies are what qualifies them for City status then Ewekoro, Nkalagu, Igbeti too should be classified as cities

These 3 names have populations more than 50k, Have mining industry related activities going on there

I dont think its fair and reasonable to compere Africa to any part of US in terms of Infrastructures.

Take Ibadan or Kano to the US and they would fail woefully in infrastructures,

Timbuktu was definitely an African City but doesn't have the infrastructures other Western Cities had at that point in time

Same with Kumasi, Oyo, Benin which were centers of African civilisation
DK,

Aren't you the one bringing US cities into the equation? By Nigerian standard, Ewekoro, Nkalagu, Igbeti cannot be cities. Let's restrict this to Nigeria. Now what are your own criteria for being a city? Let's look at them in the context of Nigeria. I listed mine previously.
PoliticsRe: Why Are Nigerian States Mostly One-city States? by Nchara(op): 5:06pm On Dec 18, 2011
stpat1:
I can confidently tell u dat Edo is a 3 city state. Benin, Ekpoma and Auchi. Last time I checked Auchi and Ekpoma are more economically busier than some state capitals like Ado-ekiti, yenagoa, oshogbo, abakaliki, damaturu, jalingo, etc. If u av been to these places then u'll agree with me.
My findings are based on economic activities, banks, schools, hotels, good roads, stable electricity, human population, transportation etc.
Who else believes that Ekpoma and Auchi can be classified as a cities even by Nigerian standard? I don't believe that on bit.

The Nigerian standard would automatically confer city status to all state capitals. So those state capitals you listed above would be cities
PoliticsRe: Why Are Nigerian States Mostly One-city States? by Nchara(op): 5:01pm On Dec 18, 2011
Who ever says Ibadan is not a city?
I am not convinced about Ogbomosho though. It simply does not have the indices save for its large population.
PoliticsRe: Polo Park - Enugu's First Mall Steps Out by Nchara: 4:56pm On Dec 18, 2011
chino11:
[b]When it comes to education even Ebonyi state is ahead of you wawa people. [/b]You guys had had bad government over the years that has refused to invest in education. Anambra is far ahead of enugu when it comes to education, so what are you guyz holding onto virtually nothing.

The army stark unlettered people causing nuisance in Anambra today particularly Onitsha are your backward people seeking for their daily bread in our land, but all that are changing because sooner than later we are going turn most of back home or into River Niger choose one.

We love ourselves no wonder envy and complex is killing you guyz. You wawa people are online playing catch up to meet up Anambrans but its just a gift from God you backward people cannot change.
A big fat lie. We can argue, but must do so truthfully.
PoliticsRe: Polo Park - Enugu's First Mall Steps Out by Nchara: 4:47pm On Dec 18, 2011
ak47mann:
anambra  got the most educated people in SE followed by imo state cool
No. the other way round: Imo then Anambra based on the% of the population

You may be right in terms of number since Anambra is more populated than Imo
JAMB data is very consistent since 2000 in giving it to Imo as having the most number of applicants  (and presumably admittants and graduands) in Nigeria, followed a distant second by Anambra
PoliticsRe: Polo Park - Enugu's First Mall Steps Out by Nchara: 4:42pm On Dec 18, 2011
In addition to wealth, one thing going for Anambra is education, for which is only second to Imo in the whole of Nigeria while Abia comes 3rd, 4th, 5th, 6th or 7th, depending on the year in question (but always around that rank)

So for literacy levels, Imo, Anambra and Abia rank best in SE (and among the very best in Nigeria).

But to what use has Anambra and Abia put all these? Again brings to mind the feat Enugu is achieving.
PoliticsRe: Polo Park - Enugu's First Mall Steps Out by Nchara: 4:36pm On Dec 18, 2011
Enugu is the 4th poorest state in the SE, but it is at the same time the most developed. That is a big plus to them because from nothing they are making something. What has Abia and Anambra shown for all their money?

Only traders and natives would live happily in Aba and Onisha and even Nnewi with all the madenning rush going on there. For me, were I to choose, its Enugu, Owerri and Umuahia in that order. They are the most decent cities to live in in the SE. I will even choose Nsukka over Aba and Onisha.
PoliticsRe: Polo Park - Enugu's First Mall Steps Out by Nchara: 4:33pm On Dec 18, 2011
chino11:
^

The open this it might help:

http://sunnewsonline.com/webpages/features/newsonthehour/2011/oct/28/newsbreak-28-10-2011-001.html

The records are there for anyone to see: Anambra ranks third only after Lagos and Rivers state, Abia is way far behind when it comes to that. If there is one state that should not be talking when other are commenting its Imo state. Because I have not seen any meaningful thing going on in your state except prostitution.
Where did you see Abia far behind in your link? Must you also lie to make a point? This is what your link says below


From the Senate came the gloomy news yesterday that the financial accounts of 27 states are in the red as some of them have been declared either “distressed” or “gloomy.” [b]Only Abia, Akwa Ibom, Anambra and Jigawa states were given a clean bill of health. [/b]The six states that are in financial distress are: Kano, Sokoto, Niger, Zamfara, Katsina and Osun.
Those deemed critical are: Ekiti, Plateau, Benue, Edo, Borno, Adamawa, Cross River, Enugu, Taraba, Ogun, Kogi, Yobe, Ebonyi, Ondo and Kaduna.
PoliticsRe: Polo Park - Enugu's First Mall Steps Out by Nchara: 4:32pm On Dec 18, 2011
chino11:
Of course my brother reality cannot be changed. Just like the Mideast hate America because of their mountainous success the same way they other SE states hate Anambra because of huge and intimidating success.
My friend, you are overstating the reality on the ground

Anambra is too underdeveloped for its potential. It has the richest number of Igbos but it is actually the 4th least developed. That should be a source of concern for us. Nnewi, with all its wealth is nothing to talk much about
PoliticsRe: Indonesia Naijas Elder Brother by Nchara: 6:52am On Dec 18, 2011
Nigeria's poverty is clearly self-induced.
PoliticsRe: Indonesia Naijas Elder Brother by Nchara: 6:52am On Dec 18, 2011
http://www.economist.com/node/7925064

I see them just as better off but no, not as role models. Am sorry.

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