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GAR3TH:I do not see how you will classify Ibadan, Benin and Port Harcourt as cities and not Enugu. What are your criteria? You even left out Abuja lol. If based on Johannesburg, Casablanca, Toronto, DC, then only Lagos (in part) and Abuja fit into the category. |
There are essentially two ways to run a govt: 1. Borrow and use it wisely so that the dividends can pay back the debt. If used unwisely then you are in shytte. 2. Do not borrow; manage what you have and produce less dividends- good where corruption is an issue as in Nigeria. |
Okay, good if it is their private affairs, but they will be crossing the African cultural lines should they begin to appear nude/semi nude in public places as is common in Belgium and San Francisco. Let's keep it personal. |
asha 80:Heath is as basic if not more basic than most of those you mentioned. Only agric is unrivalled as the most basic thing on earth |
manny4life:Video speaks louder than photos. Please click and watch. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FRN6w8pNaqo&feature=youtu.be Thanks. Note that ''world class'' as used here is a relative term How do you define development? All at once make over or progressive make over? Most Igbos states have trade going for them. Orlu and Nkwerre boys (Imo), as well as Ohafia, Item and Abriba boys (Abia) are as good traders as Nnewi and Onitsha boys. All should get A grades in trading. lol |
GAR3TH:Do you know of any country in the world where a state capital is better described as a town than a city? Am curious. Thanks. Yes, population alone does not completely make a city. What could be your ten true cities in Nigeria? That makes it even worse than the title of my thread which gives 36 cities + Abuja (And Yenagoa ![]() ?) and the few commercial cities I mentioned. |
scholes0:Practically every Nigerian village has a thriving commerce on agricultural produce in local markets many with no shades or stalls. I have been to Okene twice but for the bigger population, it is not different from Afikpo or Idanre. I guess they are all cities then. |
dayokanu:Let's analyze this: Okene (Kogi state) has a pop of 320,260 (according to Wiki) and 444990 (from Alj Harem's link). But that is practically all we know about that place in terms of anything you might consider of importance for a place to be considered a city. In contrast, Asaba (Delta State) has a pop of 149603 (2006 census, which I believe is inaccurate), but it is a state administrative place with an airport, banks, several standard hotels, thriving commerce and some industries that are working. Will Okene be a city and Asaba not, IYO? |
JamesDoe:Govt fiat is perhaps the most important reason why Nigerian states are mostly one-city states? Another will be the penchant for govts (states and fed) to develop the country unevenly |
Yinkay:How do we locate that city on the map? ![]() |
Abagworo:High rise buildings alone don't make a city. Otherwise only Lagos (those parts you mentioned) and Abuja will qualify as cities. Enugu, Owerri and Umuahia are significantly well-planned cities but no major high rises. Population does matter but is not the only criterion. Moreover, it is difficult to arrive at a population cut off that makes a city. Per Nigeria, I believe a place with some level of planned infrastructure with a pop of 100K and above, having some number of viable industries (not necessarily farming), significant commerce, administrative significance, hotels and banks is a city. That brings many Nigerian cities into my definition. However it is put, it is clear that many Nigerian states are one-city states. |
DK, By that definition of 300K cut off Lokoja Asaba Abakaliki Yenagoa Jalingo and possibly others all state capitals but with pop below even 250K (by Nigerian fake census) will not be cities. How would you consider a ''city'' with 299K people? |
dayokanu:By that definition all state capitals with less than 300K are not cities, right? How did you arrive at that particular number? Indeed there are many industries in Ibadan; it seems however to be overwhelmed by the huge population. I do not see anywhere in the world where having higher institutions make a place a city We often hear the phrase ''university town'' every now and then. Does the desert, uninhibited large expanse of land between Kano and Jigawa make that place a city? There is something unique in Enugu, Ibadan, Benin, Kano, Abeokuta, Lagos, and other such cities that makes them cities that are clearly lacking in Ogbomosho. Of course this is my opinion and it is not in any way official. I believe Lagos (whatever the boundary is) should be divided into more than the one megacity it is now. |
apocalypse:Umuahia is a state capital. All Nigerian state capitals are automatically cities (going by the norm in Nigeria). Take your stoopid tribalism to your bedroom. Thanks. |
dayokanu:Every Nigerian town has one small scale industry or another. What is your population cut-off that we can determine from? Africa is not known for industries? What is Lagos, Nnewi, Aba, Kano, P.H. Ibadan known for again? If we go by industries, then Agbara in Ogun state and Nnewi in Anambra state should be cities. Ogbomosho has LAUTech, Oyo has Adeyemi Col of Edu. What else do they have? So do other smaller towns such as Otta, Umudike, Ekpoma etc. Are they also cities? Only pop can ever classify Ogbomosho as a city but then we need to have a cut= off so that other towns within that cut-off will be added as cities too. |
Now I see that there is more to it in this wawa versus agbenu fight. lol Una get time. |
An urban area is characterized by higher population density and vast human features in comparison to areas surrounding it. Urban areas may be cities, towns or conurbations,http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Urban_area |
What is urban? A town is also an urban area, no? Must you be a city to be urban? How does that relate to this thread? Yes, Ibadan is the largest, IYO, so what? it Is still a city, no? This thread is not talking about populations, it is talking about one-city status. What other cities are in Oyo state except you rate based on population, when Ogbomosho and Oyo would then be considered? |
alj_harem:The thread is not talking about pop numbers but about one-city status of most Nigerian states. Still yours is based on pop only and we know how distorted our pop acquiring procedures are. Its not finicky to me, sorry. Oshogbo and Ife which ranks first in the overall scheme of things in Osun state? |
dayokanu:I already acknowledged that but still maintain that it is only one of the factors, as data from cities outside Nigeria suggest too. So what is your cut off (100K, 200K, 1000K?) population? Most Nigerian towns have pops of 100K+ A ''city'' of 200k that has no single industry of note and must depend on good and services from a city of 50 k is a no brainer to me. |
What's with Imo, Anambra and Ebonyi in terms of concrete, novel developments? ![]() See the Enugu mall news here https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-826991.0.html And learn about the ''world class'' health centers of Abia in the video in this link https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-810723.0.html Each SE state must show at least one concrete thing they are doing. That is the least we expect from our govts. No Enugu vs Anambra childish bickerings please |
What relative development do you expect from a "city" of 20,000 people? Thats the population of 2 bus stops in Lagos.DK, Aren't you the one bringing US cities into the equation? By Nigerian standard, Ewekoro, Nkalagu, Igbeti cannot be cities. Let's restrict this to Nigeria. Now what are your own criteria for being a city? Let's look at them in the context of Nigeria. I listed mine previously. |
stpat1:Who else believes that Ekpoma and Auchi can be classified as a cities even by Nigerian standard? I don't believe that on bit. The Nigerian standard would automatically confer city status to all state capitals. So those state capitals you listed above would be cities |
Who ever says Ibadan is not a city? I am not convinced about Ogbomosho though. It simply does not have the indices save for its large population. |
chino11:A big fat lie. We can argue, but must do so truthfully. |
ak47mann:No. the other way round: Imo then Anambra based on the% of the population You may be right in terms of number since Anambra is more populated than Imo JAMB data is very consistent since 2000 in giving it to Imo as having the most number of applicants (and presumably admittants and graduands) in Nigeria, followed a distant second by Anambra |
In addition to wealth, one thing going for Anambra is education, for which is only second to Imo in the whole of Nigeria while Abia comes 3rd, 4th, 5th, 6th or 7th, depending on the year in question (but always around that rank) So for literacy levels, Imo, Anambra and Abia rank best in SE (and among the very best in Nigeria). But to what use has Anambra and Abia put all these? Again brings to mind the feat Enugu is achieving. |
Enugu is the 4th poorest state in the SE, but it is at the same time the most developed. That is a big plus to them because from nothing they are making something. What has Abia and Anambra shown for all their money? Only traders and natives would live happily in Aba and Onisha and even Nnewi with all the madenning rush going on there. For me, were I to choose, its Enugu, Owerri and Umuahia in that order. They are the most decent cities to live in in the SE. I will even choose Nsukka over Aba and Onisha. |
chino11:Where did you see Abia far behind in your link? Must you also lie to make a point? This is what your link says below From the Senate came the gloomy news yesterday that the financial accounts of 27 states are in the red as some of them have been declared either “distressed” or “gloomy.” [b]Only Abia, Akwa Ibom, Anambra and Jigawa states were given a clean bill of health. [/b]The six states that are in financial distress are: Kano, Sokoto, Niger, Zamfara, Katsina and Osun. Those deemed critical are: Ekiti, Plateau, Benue, Edo, Borno, Adamawa, Cross River, Enugu, Taraba, Ogun, Kogi, Yobe, Ebonyi, Ondo and Kaduna. |
chino11:My friend, you are overstating the reality on the ground Anambra is too underdeveloped for its potential. It has the richest number of Igbos but it is actually the 4th least developed. That should be a source of concern for us. Nnewi, with all its wealth is nothing to talk much about |
Nigeria's poverty is clearly self-induced. |
http://www.economist.com/node/7925064 I see them just as better off but no, not as role models. Am sorry. |
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