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Looks like I hit a soft spot.

@Afam,  Why is it difficult for you to answer a simple question. Stop dodging it. You should know by now that I'm immune to your insults.

Answer the simple question and if you are ashamed to answer, sa so. olodo

Do you feel perhaps Ojukwu might have surrendered earlier
than he did?

adconline:
M E Niger Delta. If the FG had even considered giving each senatorial district in the Delta an oil bloc may be things would have been better
This is a hypothetical question cos it has never been done, so u cant say that things might not have been better if they werent really tried.

A more pertinent question is what did the criminal organization called MEND do to address the trillions of naira that the ND governors steal on a monthly basis? How have the masses benefited from all the money their governors have been paid for the past 8 years? How many governor's mansions have been bombed by MEND?

The answer to these questions will provide answers to your question.

@Beaf, Danjuma and the rest of the thieving old fools should leave the scene for young progressives. I've told you several times that we have a common enemy, the elite, including Northerners, Southerners, Easterners, and Westerners.

@Beaf, most Nigerians sympathize with Niger Deltans and the injustice they are experiencing.  Your dishonesty will not change that, Soyinka is no MEND thug.

Beaf:
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It your words that are lying. This is the great man himself (on a website where he can't be misquoted );

http://www.nas-int.org/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=433&Itemid=115

Stop yarning nonsense jare!

Please post the text of a statement by Soyinka where he claimed to be representing MEND rather than the Niger Delta people? If you can't find such a statement, shut up.

Soyinka is not and will never be a MEND oil bunkerer, kidnapper, and thief.

Beaf:
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All the above are lies.
The Aaron group was created by MEND and they represent MEND and MEND alone.

MEND represents the Niger Delta. It is propagandists and the real criminals that want to make MEND out to be like them.
Wole Soyinka represents MEND and indeed visited Yar Adua in the company of Henry Okah quite a few times.

Stop calling Soyinka a liar, he has stated clearly several times that he represents the Niger Delta people and not the criminal acts of MEND. Stop tarnishing the man's reputation, olodo

Afam:
Can you honestly state that you have not seen an answer to that question before even when it was asked by you or are you simply blinded by hate that you deny or pretend you have not been answered before?

I can imagine how hatred must have eaten deep into the souls of some of us here.

I apologize if I missed youir direct response to the question so I ask you again:

Do you feel perhaps Ojukwu might have surrendered earlier
than he did?

Thank you for you anticipated direct answer, even a Yes or No would do.

edoyad:
Very valid question, would a nobel laurette like Soyinka agree to be a voice to criminals ?

The federal government refused to negotiate with MEND, a criminal organization that continues to perpetrate criminal acts againsts Nigerians and foreigners alike.  

The Aaron group, which Soyinka is a member is not the same as MEND! The Aaron group is made up of respectable Nigerians who have agreed to negotiate with the federal government on behalf of the people of the Niger Delta, as opposed to the criminal organization, MEND.

Soyinka has stated on several ocasions that he does not represent MEND or their criminal activities, but instead will represent the people of Niger Delta in these negotiations.

Make no mistake about it, MEND is a criminal organization which is beginning to disintegrate according to recent reports. The cause of the Niger Delta people will remain, but MEND is already dying.

doyin13:
I won't claim to be the most knowledgable about the war. Mine is just an inquiry.

But does any Igbo person feel perhaps Ojukwu might have surrendered earlier
than he did?

This is a very valid question. I'd be very much interested in the thoughts of well meaning and level headed Igbo posters. There may actually be a valid reason why Ojukwu chose to allow millions of people to die instead of surrendering early. No one has answered that question for me - most responders have chosen to rather tell us why Ojukwu is the leader of Igbos today.

Ojukwu is indeed the Igbo leader. He is infact the most powerful Igbo man alive in Nigeria today, he is loved and revered by the Igbos.

But why did he not surrender as soon as it became obvious that Biafra had been blockaded?  If this was a mistake, why can't any of our Igbo posters just say so? The man is only human, one mistake cannot take away his greatness.

Beaf:
When did you start yarning dust like this?
These people claim to be representing the North, while pushing every unprogressive agenda. Simple question; do they represent you or do they represent the ills I mentioned?
Why would you jump up in defence of criminals, just because they make a wooly claim to claim to represent the "North". Which North indeed?

Beef, your intellectual dishonesty and bigotery in this matter is quite disgraceful.  The report posted by the OP stated clearly that 60 members of the Northern Caucus in the House of Representatives met Tuesday night at the Apo residence of former House Leader, Hon Abdul Ningi and resolved to withdraw support from Acting President Goodluck Jonathan, if he dissolves the Federal Executive Council (FEC).

And yet you come here asking dum.b questions? Who else would 60 members of the House of Reps, represent? Niger Delta thugs?

You are quick to call 60 members of the House of Reps criminals while singing praises of known criminal organizations such as MEND who continue to kidnap, kill, destroy property, and perpetrate other criminal activities. Your hypocrisy and bigotery is sickening, I thought you were more level headed than this.

Well meaning NLers have distanced themselves from the statement of the 60 members, yet you continue to directly and indirectly insult Arewa.  Don't let your tribalism and bigotery negatively affect your otherwise good judgement, olodo.

MEND and these ND thugs do not seem interested in peace at all. Any action that will hinder their criminal activities including kidnapping, bunkering and the like, is rejected by their thieving leaders. Finally, reputable Ijaw and other ND leaders are beginning to call them to order


Niger Delta Think Tank Business Group, a forum of top opinion leaders in the oil region led by Festus Porbeni, former transport minister and a retired rear admiral, has described as “heinous” the stand of a faction of militants on the acting president, Goodluck Jonathan.

A faction of the Joint Revolutionary Council (JRC) which claims to coordinate the collation of groups including the Movement for the Emancipation of the Niger Delta (MEND) had told a news agency that the National Assembly resolution making a fellow Niger Deltan acting president was illegal.

“Goodluck Jonathan’s acting presidency is an illegality cleverly crafted by those who feel that the Niger Delta is a conquered territory and can only be plundered and looted,” the Joint Revolutionary Council (JRC) said in an emailed statement to the international news agency when Jonathan assumed the position of acting president, last week. “We are even more convinced than before that Niger Delta independence through armed struggle is the way forward.” Militants

The stand by the JTC contradicted that of MEND which had told newsmen that it chose to watch developments and would react at the appropriate time, but called the situation an “unfolding drama”.

Spokesperson for MEND, Jomo Gbomo, in a reply to BusinessDay’s inquiry, said: “We have no comments for now. The group is monitoring the unfolding drama and will make its position known at the appropriate time”.

The Think Tank Business Group, however, said “this recent rant is not the reflection of the Niger Delta people. The Nigerian parliament made up of the Senate and House of Representatives is the custodian of the Nigerian law, thus, could not have erred in passing a joint resolution making Goodluck the acting president and commander-in-chief of the Nigerian Armed Forces. The Niger Delta Think Tank hereby calls on the faction of MEND that made such heinous statement to retract and support Goodluck Jonathan in building a united Nigeria.”


Source: http://www.businessdayonline.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=8565:jonathan-niger-delta-group-calls-militants-to-order-&catid=85:national&Itemid=340

[quote author=haka_nai link=topic=400225.msg5537892#msg5537892 date=1266497512]hold it ,hold it!!! where is our light,where is our roads, where are our industries? Please spare us. can this old people go back to the farm to retire peacefully.Okay all this people mentioned, what have they done to the north or contributed to the north outside corruption?can they please go queitly as we need people from today and the future not those who have wasted there chance more than twice to fix same problem.TY danjuma not an option.please help us northern elite vote someone that will deliver.TY Danjuma may not be too loyal as you can ask Obj?About religion? now we need quality leadership more than human personal profile.
Abeg help us.
lastly what is it they asked him to deliver?i mean to the region and Naija!did he say yes i can and did he suggest ways to do that.if all is not then please look for another person.We all know he is a quiet big corrupt leader of northern extract.why he is got alot of investment more than his salary can carry.Oil blocks and co.How many lives has he touched.about keeping the military in check.if he keeps it in check,please it is the will of the people that keeps the military in check not him.Soldier no be person.it is time we identify corrupt people and shame them so that there money cannot buy them friends.that they should start to see that it is about service and touching lifes.Obj and TY na paddy paddy.it all seems like he is trying to get one his boys back on track.
Goodluck focus and work.the VP no be your priority now.na light,road,security and money for people pocket.[/quote]gaskiya ta fi kwabo.  haka_nai, you've spoken the truth. These old men have done enough damage to Nigeria and to Northern Nigeria in particular.  I believe they still don't understand that their game is up - thanks to devine intervention.

If these old fools that have done nothing for the North other than robbing the region blind, looting without investing the loot in sustainable businesses or industries in the North, killing the textile industry in the North,  failing to invest  one  kobo in the vast mineral resources in the North, why in the world would anyone want them to become President?  This is nothing short of insanity and must be opposed by the masses.

Afam,  you know they say silence is the best answer for a fool.  I believe the accuser is a fool whose post should not be dignified with a response. You chose to respond to him and that is your prerogative - it doesn't make me any better than you.

@Afam,

Your words:

Have I ever insulted anyone here for having a different opinion? No.

Then you wrote:

It is your father that is guilty of the nonsense you are accusing me of.

I curse you and your whole family, idiot.

wow, Afam the honorable forumite who resists insults no matter how tempting.

KnowAll:
It was not uncommon to see men, women and young boys burnt alive with tyres round their necks accused of being saboteurs of the war effort.

A covert ethnic cleansing policy was fully operational then, the evidence abounds today in present day Rivers and Bayelsa State where Igbo villages have sprung up in areas that where once a sea of Ijaws and Ibibio’s villages. The ethnic composition of these areas bears no semblance to what it was in the 17th and 18th century. [/color]

hmm, could reports that 973 (and likely more) Ikwerres have died between 2003-2008 because of attacks by militant groups such as MEND and Atiku Tom, be reprisal attacks or revenge based?

We know that many Ijaws and other folks from ND fought on both sides of the war, so it is not unreasonable to believe that the Ijaws (and other ND people) caught to be fighting/working for the federal troops would be severely dealt with in the manner you described above. We'll need more evidence of the covert ethnic cleansing you described, I have to admit that I can't put that past the likes of Afam and other extremists. [size=4pt] that should smoke him out, expect venomous response[/size]

The pollution and neglect of the ND by both the oil companies, the FG, state and local governments is a prime shame and a disgrace.

If Jonathan takes radical steps towards making some of these wrongs, right, he will become dear to the hearts of most Nigerians.

I have zero patience for idiotic political nomenclatures such as Niger Delta and south-south coined because of wholesome greed for crude oil. Have you questioned your dilapidated consciousness why there are no coinages such as north-north, west-west and east-east in Nigeria?

una no go kill person with laughter for here.

www.nairaland.com/attachments/180447_ROTFLMAO_gif3d0c775232c7f27cf80592785b9635b6

SapeleGuy:
Perhaps your beloved africom will drop off some fumigation kits, until then i will make do with mobil or raid.

Would you be kind enough to tell us your views about africom? Are you threatened by that organization?

[quote author=Wily+Wily link=topic=398877.msg5527676#msg5527676 date=1266364396]Words of a confused Idiot[/quote]When are you going to learn how to express yourself properly? You sound like an intellectual midget - prove me wrong, write a couple of paragraphs. olodo

SapeleGuy:
^^^wetin happen u dey very aggressive these days.

I'm a very well respected gentleman as you know This df2006 must be a sadist, he is always asking for it, I think he loves it. Read his post na.

By the way, I hope you know that we don'y yet have a vaccine for malaria, olodo.

df2006:
see people falling for the job wey ndu idiot, set. can,t you guys see tru this guy called ndu shehu? chai !!!

df2006, e be like say rain don fall, you don crawl out of ya hole. Crawl back into your hole and stay there, olodo, guluso, kudunkudu.

Let me restate the statement you chose to ignore:

Soon enough, you people will learn to take responsibility for your own actions and future. You cannot continue to kill ND Ndiigbo at will on the one hand while blaming them for not supporting criminal MEND or helping you to secede on the other. Ndiigbo will not help you fight anyone. In addition, stop blaming all of Arewa for your woes - the criminal elite, including your governors are more responsible for your demise than the lovely Arewa people.

Chew on that, Rakoomin dadje.

biggjoe:
Now you are wrong there. Many igbo people have disagreed openly with the way Ojukwu handled the war but that does not necessarily include why he did not surrender when Biafra was 'blockaded'. Alexander Madiebo even put his own cricticisms in his book.

Dont go on and on blaming ojukwu for continued fighting as if he is the one firing the bombs and mortars. It was your brothers who are commanding the nigerian troops. There is no rule of engagement that says that if a region you are fighting is not surrendering, you must massively and indiscriminately shell the area which you are aware have innocent civilians there. They should have approached tactically like soldiers do and not indiscriminately firing mortars and rockets from hundreds of kilometers. That is what killed many igbo people during the war. Apart from the Murtala muhammad's genocide in Asaba and elsewhere, those are the war Crimes committed on the biafrans.

You should blame the people committed genocide on the biafrans and not the biafran leaders.

Mallam biggjoe, I think biafran leaders should be blamed for the self imposed genocide. Don't take my word for it, just read an excerp from Time magazine and make up your mind:

DURING a full year of civil war in Nigeria, the secessionist state of Biafra has banked more on winning the world's sympathy than a military victory. Last week the Biafrans had an undeniable claim to attention—and to pity. Malnutrition was killing off more Biafrans than the Federal troops who occupy most of their land. The chief killer was the protein- deficiency disease called kwashiorkor, which turns the hair to reddish gold and cruelly swells both limbs and stomachs. Workers of international relief agencies reported that as many as 3,000 Biafrans a day were dying and that total deaths might reach 2,000,000 by the end of August.

The Nigerian military government, headed by Major General Yakubu Go- won, accuses the Biafrans of purposely allowing suffering for the sake of "waging psychological war and seeking diplomatic advantage." The government points out that the Biafrans, led by Lieut. Colonel Odumegwu Ojukwu, have turned down a plan to have the Red Cross ship food through federal territory to Biafra. But Gowon insists on federal handling of any such shipments, and the Biafrans fear that his men would poison the food: they cite instances of beer laced with cyanide and powdered milk infected with bacteria found in Biafra. Even if Gowon allows the shipment, says Biafran Chief Justice Louis Mbanefo, "we would not touch it."


Ojukwu has also said no to a British offer of $600,000 in relief funds. His reason: Britain sells arms to Gowon. Therefore, says Ojukwu, to give food at the same time would only "fatten the Biafrans for slaughter with British-made weapons

You can read more about this here http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,712130,00.html
I believe someone started a new thread on this topic here: https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-399044.0.html

You people should be honest enough to state that this strategy by your leaders was at the very least, wrong.

Beaf:
Nobody hates you.

The bolded is what you should address to the likes of ndu_chucks. He is one of your leaders, he never posts about Northern issues, its always about oil and stuff like how most of Goodluck Jonathans people are cowards like him. People like that create a terrible impression (same as Balla Na' Allah who wanted all 20 million Niger Deltans wiped out).
I am sure we can live together in peace, but for people who see themselves as superior to the next person, so much so that lives cost nothing; infact whole communities (50+) have been razed to the ground and tens of thousands killed over the decades.

Beaf, intellectual dishonesty has never been your trait hitherto.  I've said countless of times on this forum that the common enemy we all have is the elite, who come from North, South, East, and  West.  Your attempt at marginalizing me on this forum by name calling and other childish means, will not work.

I believe that soon enough, many of the ND issues will be addressed by the FG particularly now that Jonathan is in charge.  We shall see what explanation the thieving and oil bunkering wing of MEND will give to justify their crimes thereafter.

Soon enough, you people will learn to take responsibility for your own actions and future. You cannot continue to kill ND Ndiigbo at will on the one hand while blaming them for not supporting criminal MEND or helping you to secede on the other. Ndiigbo will not help you fight anyone.  In addition, stop blaming all of Arewa for your woes - the criminal elite, including your governors are more responsible for your demise than the lovely Arewa people.

naijaking1:
One of those realities was the promotion and maintainance of a splinter group within the eastern Nigerian demand for autonomy in the 1960s. The Hausa people financed anybody and everybody who could split the easterners along ethnic and tribal divide, and they did a good job too.
They did such a good job that some people even forgot what the fight was all about, however, today is another opportunity. Nothing has changed in 40 years, not even the Hausa/Fulani tactics.

You usually come up with good analysis and I hope the fear or paranoia of hausa/fulani has not negatively influenced your comments here.  You are also usually very fair to entities or groups we discuss here (with the exception of your partiality towards Madam Cecelia  ). Why are you now disparaging the Niger Delta Survival Movement? Why are you implying that their members are financed by hausa people?

If you have any evidence of the said sponsorship, please share it with us, dalu.

Beaf:
Okay, I see that MEND is really not to your taste. . . But how about the Hausa/Fulani parasites that have ra'ped and pillaged the Niger Delta for decades? How about dealing with the reason MEND was formed?

I find your interest to be Hausa/Fulani parasitic; for the simple reason that you took an article without a single mention of the words "crime" or "criminal" and in the abracadabra that is unique to mischievous people like yourself, it has become "about the criminal elements of MEND". You can't even keep to the gist of an article you posted.

Damn! . . .Some Hausa/Fulani people sha

shame no dey catch you? Go and start a thread to deal with your topic of choice. Stop trying to derail this one.
Your thieving organization is dying a natural death, deal with it.

naijaking1:
We all know how easy it is to form a faction within a faction, especially when there is a hidden promoter at the background.

We also know how easy it is to use denial as a means of dealing with unpleasant realities. ko ba haka ba?

Beaf:
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I am just very worried that a lot of Hausa/Fulani remain intensely "interested" in the ND, especially at this auspicious times for our nation. Perhaps, being one, you could enlighten me?
Too many of our women have been r'aped and our men murdered, don't you think? Wo ko re ebe?

PS: I keep reminding you that olodo doesn't mean fullstop.

Stop your pitiful attempt to derail this thread - this must be the new plan of attack that you guys have adopted. Please start your own thread if you have particular issues to raise pertaining to whatever tribe you wish. This thread is not about ndu_chucks or any ethnic group.

MEND is disintegrating, deal with it, Rakoomin dadje.

Beaf, why must you turn every discussion into a bigoted ethnic issue? Your old trick of making posts that will derail threads in order to put the wool over the eyes of readers will not work this time.

Those of you MEND members that are not criminals and thieves will expose the rest of you, just as they are starting to do according to the posted account.

Hausa/Fulani has nothing to do with this thread. This is about the criminal elements of MEND, olodo, Rakoomin dadje.