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Ngodi,

What are u afraid of? Tell me, ill give a good response, you might not agree with my view but ill answer your fears.

I guess the counter coup and the war has served you as "lessons learnt". Has it not?

Warn your sons to keep their hands off other people blood. Right?

When Igbo barks his unsettling fear back at me for an expressed view, that's feedback to say my voice and views are relevant and effective in arousing his fear.

Lmao!!! The bruteness can't stay down too long without rearing its head.

When news of the bloodshed went on air the Eastern region was the only jubilating.

Those few Igbo officers were speaking for and acting on behalf of Okpara, the seat of administration for the people, and therefore by extension, the citizens themselves.
The followup to their success is backed by a widespread sponsorship of Igbo interests and unmerited promotions into corridors of power.

They assasinated in cold blood Yoruba and Hausa leaders and installed a new pattern of sponsorship where Igbos were advaned from low ranks of military and civil service and given headship of departments.

The few acted and spoke for the many.

In the war, why did you butcher innocent lives starting in Benin and all the way to Ore? You claim you were looking for Gowon. Sorry excuse! You deserved what you got.

When you fight and loose war the victor is obligated to charge you reparations.

The money you lost in bank savings is a reparated funD to cover military cost.

So the template letter of the 'protection against enemy' treaty which the white man used to dupe the native rulers into signing off their land and authority to him was an accurate reflection that the natives were "indeed" under an imminent enemy attack?

The redrawing of Northern boundary and allocations based on demographics was an accurate reflection of truthful population count?


Yes, I have discussed it many times in my past debates on the civil war - the before and after.


If you view negotiation as a sign of weakness and capitulation to a lesser authority then you do not understand what negotiation means. You are unfamiliar with the concept of conflict resolution and mediation. I suspect this is generally so for your people and explains why you locked down and refuse to open up and embrace those fundamentally important to the survival of your re-emergence as a strong and politically relevant voice.

A big brother embracing his little brother after a fight and renewing fraternal bonds does not mean he is weak.

If you disagree with that then you need a new understanding in human relations.

Abagoro,

I understand the independent creation and separate residal of the materials.

What was your purpose or need for congregating them?

By their congregation you have escalated and congregated what previously were disparate challenges and local disputes to the reccord.

But bottomline, why the need for this new centralized record, were their existence at local portals insufficient?

White man recorded what he was told but he published and made into law what he desired, which often times is opposite of reality on the ground.

What is the Ijo diSposition? Educate me.

If you read in my entry post I emphasized Negotiations. The key to Yoruba survival is the willingness of the center to share power. When an internal conflict breaks, the center absorbs risk management and continously run around putting out fires here and there until the whole inferno is subdued. It does not dictate to the autonomous powers within the Nation, instead it serves as a resource for their needs.

When dealing with an external conflict the center first assesses the interest of the component powers to see the impact to them. If damaging, it absorbs the humiliation. If not impacting, it launches a counter attack.

Igbo need a risk management and negotiating plan that work and give you eminence above the powers you ambitiously desire to control, in a Biafran setting or in a Nigerian one.

If it wasn't so, relative to the source looking out to the world, it was made so when Abagworo facilitated it, relatively as a world looking in to the source.

This pool you now have is forever a new awareness in consciousness.

You can tell this from the various responses, "It is a new knowledge".

The new knowledge provides details from which to draw a total "Igbo" map on the terrain.

Nothing wrong if that terrain is not also claimed by someone else. If it is, then one of the sides is not truthful about their claims.

What if a contending side just choose not to challenge the Igbo claim? By default that's an Igbo land.

Given the challenges already raised and some of the recalls in the story, it raises suspicion and discredits the position that this is an isolated and uncoordinated effort, albeit, this is a calculated move. . . . an Imperial grab!

We are settling land disputes using white man's record of who owns what. The white man had no lifetime interest in the origin of ownership but he was primarily interested in subduing the land and its people through allegiance. So land ownerships were re-drawn to follow with vested allegiance. The white man created a long term war between a people that had cohabited for centuries before his arrival.

It makes sense if we can go back into the pre-white man history and review the ownerships and then draw new agreements to remedy the issue and then renew relations.

This calls for "Negotiation".


The disposition of the Ijos is an echo of what many other sub groups in the East fear; a surbordinate class!

Ijos do not need the Igbos, but the Igbos need the Ijos. As the current majority and the seat of regional political power, you have the burden to manage and get a meaningful, a committed outcome from the negotiation. You approach them as partners in a common front; that front ma y or may not be a Biafra sovereignty but you nonetheless need their alliance.

You might have to compromise and loose certain security in order to acquire a new and more important one to Biafran future.

Well, let's talk "brain"!

What you are saying is that they are "complemental" records. In other words, each aspect of the origin is what the individual author submitted as their ancestral record. That is, they are "lateral". They are not authored from the center and then distributed top-to-bottom as the authentic history.

Am I correct, is this your position?

The sea is a one body of water comprising of many springs and rivers contributing their tributaries to the pool.

Do you understand that?

What is it you dispute about the rewrites and the "Ijo negotiation"?

No, you are not! Let me reveal you.

You are an agent of online social propganda to tear down social fabrics of traditional customs. You do this by using popular Western culture to lure youths into thinking it is armless to be pagan, it is armless to be gay, it is armless to be lesbian, it is armless to draw demons on your body and face and if anyone, including your own parents assault you for your 'armless" behavior, we will take them to court for violating your human rights.

Pagan, you are just at the initial stage of your recruitment plan and that's why you care to educate and present the maguzawa as a predated and cultural roots worth reawakening.

Get the 'F' out of here, you can't hide!!

On the surface it appears as nothing more than a goodwill act, a genuine interest by a people to learn and share their ancestral and origin records. Beneath the surface it contains loads of attempt to discredit the ancestry of others and lay claim to their roots.

Go and read the topic on "Delta Igbo, Bendel Igbo" and you see many recalls in the story.

Left unchallenged, these recalls would have stuck as authentic claims legitimized by a written fable.

Listen above to what Afrodiva said, hear her grievance about what Igbo is doing and why they need to distance from you.

Booshman,

I'm shocked at the responses to you on this site. Very shocked!! I will face to you shortly, let me first address my people.


Yoruba people, shame on you!!! Shame!!!!

Ileke-Idi was the only person that bothered to raise any challenge/question to this guy.

Babe asked questions after the fact.

Omosoji asked questions and got a shitload of clues but was blinded by his own story that he omitted to follow up on those clues.


Now, Booshman, let's talk. Why are you here to learn Yoruba? You are producing a revenue generating art, why not invest money to learn the tools that you need?

This work is a proprietary art, is it not?

Clarify it for me

I didn't ask for navigation help I know where these cities are located.

Are your claims about maguzawa correct? There is suspicion that it is not. The suspicion arises from your Hausa dialect which is not of Kano origin but you claim to be a son of Kano.
Are you Kanawa or a wanna-be? In which case your whole topic is un-authentic.

This discaimer should have opened the topic before you posted your first entry.

This is fable, clutching at straws to forcibly create an inexistence past!

where the winner still get a consolation price


Meant the "looser" there!

Perhaps we were all being emotional here.What I will not accept is to rewrite history, no matter how sad or bitter it is.Anioma people have forged  ahead but cant forget what happened especially the kind of reaction from the Benin, Yes, it was wrong to have invaded the Midwest but it was inevitable , Why ? Because the Midwest region had a subtantial percentage of her citizens identified as Igbos.We were not spared in the North when the killings occured nor in the Military and Ejoor who took over from Osadebay did practically nothing to make us feel we have stake in the Midwest.I have records of his visit to my my home town.Our people complained bitterly that we were killed in the North and unlike the East which was more assertive to question the justification for the killings he was mute and nothing was even made to compensate those who left the North with their lives.

Ogbuefi, I believe the above quotation came from one of your responses.

I am following the discussion but will make best effort to restrain my response, unless where giving my voice to the issue is a necessity to establish truth and correct errors in understanding and perception.

This point has been argued numerous times and Igbos refuse to admit that any injuries, fatalities, losses, damages, humiliation, that you suffered during the 67 coup and the coup was forward-earned by your widespread and selective cold blood murders, first of Yoruba and Hausa leaders; and second, as you marched from Benin and butchered lives along the way to Ore.

When you start a fight it will end in an unpredictable outcome, sometime with less blow hitting you than you delivered, and other times with far more blows knocking you out than you had delivered. There is regulation in peace, but none in war!

You are bitter that Ejoor did not advocate for compensation for losses. Do you think war is a boxing enterprise where the winner still get a consolation price?

, And then blamed Awo for only giving 20 pounds. Well, here is a question for you: what did Ojukwu do to help your recovery? What did Zik or Okpara did to aid your recovery. You blame everyone else but the patrons of your war, but yet you welcomed Ojukwu back as an hero and hated awo and Ejoor and Gowon for life.

In many of my discussions on ethnic politics and culture I consistently show my frustrations with lack of will by Igbos to initiate constructive plan of action to re-energize their limp political image.

It is refreshing to see some starters. With continued effort and determined focus it should get better.


I noticed that the forum is flooded with Igbo titled discussions. Although a lot are still rough on the edges and betrays the motive in which Igbo is intending to cement itself -forcefully- against mounting challenges and threats to its dominating majority in the East.

Credit should be given to their effort for reconciliation and reunification with the Ijaws.

It would be encouraging to see more of these humbled approach, than the confrontational and annoying approach of seizing and re-authoring histories and ancestries of formidable neighbors who prefer a standalone existence to the joint-destiny linkage desired by the Igbos.


If Igbos can repeat with these sub-groups the kind of negotiating contact they initiated with the Ijaws, then the power of goodwill in the negotiated terms could perhaps win some hearts to their side and a forceful hijack of history should no be necessary.

Negotiate! Negotiate!! Negotiate!!!

Negotiate with your neighbors, otherwise your rival is perceived as a better alternative. They might break cultural lines to give allegiance to those who are on the other end of the cultural bridge.

Shed your arrogance, improve your relational skills!

Hhmmmm, make dem thank their Chineke say Pharaoh no pursue behind so their forefathers made it to Nigeria and built these pyramid altars.

Alhaji,

It just dawned on me, that the Igbo-Jewish ancestral link maybe true afterall. The Jews built the pyramids in Egypt. Who built the one in Igboland, Jew labour or Igbo?

In any case, I want to know why these damned fools headed south into the African continent when Moses was leading the exodus across Sinai to Jordan.

Were they high and thought Red sea was southbound, or could it be they were rebellious and Moses did not want to cohabit with them?

Abagworo,

You confirmed my suspicion, following many posts chronologing the firm evidence of Yoruba as a proto-Semitic people, that Igbo will soon come up with a manufactured version of a biblical root.

Yes you did!! Lmao!
So what happened to the light skinned, inventive and entreprenaurial Jewish link? That's no longer tenable?

Well, let's see how long this Eri story stand the test of newly manufactured discoveries.

Pagan,

I first thought when I saw your translation, that you might be a Katsina man or Daura or even Bauchi, but you knocked me off my feet when you said Kano. I agree with IG, that translation is not a Kano dialect. You said u grew up in Kano, so I wonder what happened to your fluency.

Bori practitioners were also not underground in Hausaland. For sake of sharing with those who may not know what Bori is,

These are those big bulky guys that entertain on streets with display of immunity to knives and blades and swords cut to their skin and flesh. He is dressed in some leather skirt with amulets and is followed bys his drummer. They also have a more ritualistic performances where they do war dance till they loose it and go into trance.

However, I cannot confirm or deny mazuganci. I know the people of Hadejia have some sort of pre-islamic practice but can't say if its still alive or not.

Rokiatu, na you be that? Ah, long time no see. Where have u been?

Redsun, it is possible to plan and achieve such a project and in fact it was done before in the time of Gani Fawehinmi, Dele Giwa and couple of other guys I wouldn't name because they are still alive.

Except for few, the general mindset of an average Nigerian is too focused on personal rewards and rivalry for fame - these factors will derail covert operations of any dimension or target - and less on the vision for a broad spectrum of poitical and social transformations.

But I have to ask, at this point in our future, why do we need a transformation for Nigeria? Attention should be focused on transformation for the ethnic regions.