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omar22: Oh common!!!!! The great (Real Madrid team) Galatico of the 50's that had Di Stafeno and Puskas dominated european football in the 50's winning 5 European cups in a row.... in the end teams stopped them, in the 60s Benfica and both Milan teams. English football dominated Europe from the mid 70's to the mid 80's and if not for the Hysel ban they would have dominated European football into the 90s. The Tiki Taka football Barcelona adopted now was brought over from Ajax by Johan Cruyff.. and in the early 70's Ajax sweept everyone aside they were more dominant than Barcelona today but Bayern found a way to stop Ajax and Germany found a away of beating the "total football side of Holland" and German football is more machine like!!! What type of football did Liverpool played in the 70's? 77, 78, 79, 80, 81, 82, 84 European cup were won by English teams (They had a team in the final of 76 and 85)

I would say this again very Barcelona's Tiki Taka would be stopped and stopped for good

Let them stop it first before you start blabbing, but for now it's the superior pattern. Take it or leave it. No one said it was gonna last forever anyway

@ coogar, if your argument is anything to go by, you're saying there's no such thing as luck, not just in football, but generally.

coogar: don't be amazed
ghana were not unlucky - suarez was sent off and gyan had the opportunity to seal the game from 12 yards. that he failed to score the penalty was his incompetence. if he had scored the penalty, then we won't be here talking about luck or not.

Check this out:

http://allsports.com.ng/2012/11/08/chelsea-need-more-than-luck-to-win-the-champions-league-torres/

http://uk.eurosport.yahoo.com/news/champions-league-di-matteo-chelsea-win-lucky-085941068.html

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/chelsea/9279689/German-media-blast-Chelseas-Champions-League-victory-over-Bayern-Munich-as-a-farce.html

thegoodjoehunt:

What I don't understand, Is he saying that Ghana weren't unlucky when Suarez used his hand to stop a goal that would have taken Ghna through to the Semi Finals of the last World Cup?

That' what i'm amazed at.

coogar: there's no luck in football, my friend!
the better team might not win and that happens when they fail to do the most important thing on the pitch - score goals! see all those accurate passes, dribbling, crosses and exquisite ball control are all means to an end(goal scoring). if you concentrate so much on the means and forget the end product, then you deserve to lose. the game is decided by who scores more goals and not possession stats or dribbling stats or shots on target stats. you can be the smartest dude in your classroom, getting 100% in your homeworks, courseworks, etc but if you fail on the examination day - dont blame it luck......you failed cos you didn't prepare well or you let the occasion overpower you! i want to see southampton use all the luck in this world to win the premier league or nigeria using all the luck in this world to win the world cup - then i will believe in luck.




1) which then goes to show the spanish tiki-taka is not 100% foolproof. they are successful at it cos players have been groomed into it from a young age. you would need to refurbish all the academies in england to do what you are asking - which is impossible. england academies concentrate on speed and strength, the spanish concentrates on nimble feet, movement and techniques. spain are not dominating shyte! they have been beaten fairly well in the last european age grade competitons.

2) one senior competition that iniesta missed(confed cup), spain were beaten bluish blackish......xavi is the conductor of that spanish side. without him and his fellow barca brothers, spain are very ordinary. alonso's passing stats is horrible and the likes of martinez, cesc, mata and david silva are 2nd tier to xavi/iniesta. the moment xavi hangs his boots is the day spain's dominance in world football ends. just like zidane for france, okocha for nigeria.

3) why are you lying?
european under 19, spain and england have won it the most(9 times each)
european under 21, italy have won it 5 times, spain 3 times, england 2 times.
the european under 17 in 2010, england beat spain 2-1 in the final and holland have won it twice since then(2011 and 2012) so what's your point?

There's luck in football, it doesn't matter whether you believe or not. Football is won by who scores the most goals quite all right, but what would you say about a team who scored 4 goals, 3 own goals, & opponent scoring 2 goals, hereby making them lose 4-5, did they not score enough goals, or weren't they just unlucky? If a student who gets 1OO% in tests fails his exams, then he didn't merit his test result, i.e. he cheated in the tests cos it makes no sense. A league season has 36+ matches, & you expect a 'southampton' whose budget isn't even half of 'arsenal' to win it? Now, how does that sound to you? Mancity didn't become league contenders until they were taken over by billionaires. Luck happens, but football doesn't exempt reality.

coogar: there's no luck in football - the better side on the day wins a football game. if enyimba of aba are more well-prepared than barcelona in a one-off game, they would beat barcelona. at the end of the day - it's 11 players versus 11 players. chelsea took the little chances they had on the night - barcelona wasted all their chances. chelsea won, where's the luck? what is luck? let west ham use all their luck to win the premier league......




so drogba missing a penalty means zambia were lucky? what kinda argument is this? drogba missed his penalty cos he was poor in his execution on the night. that's entirely drogba's fault or the zambia goalie's brilliance - nothing to do with luck. do you fans even give the opposition any credits at all? when penalties get saved, you blame luck - like the goalkeeper standing between the post is a dummy and he is not expected to make saves.

are you aware goalkeepers are also trained to save penalties just like strikers are tutored to score them? it's the player that is most prepared for the task that wins - zambia's goalkeeper read the situation better than drogba and he saved it. luck had no role to play on that occasion! barcelona had the numerical advantage against chelsea on their home soil....they even managed to get a penalty put the game to bed. messi couldn't handle the pressure and he missed the penalty. what has luck gotta do with messi missing a penalty that would have guaranteed barcelona a final place in munich?

I'm suprised this is a long argument, football analysts/legends admit it too. Your points become lower with every of your post. Zambia were outplayed in almost every of their match on their way to their AFCON triumph, so drogba's penalty miss just goes to show how well luck has been on their side, or is there a particular penalties are taken? Zambia were mentally strong though, no doubt. Chelsea FC's luck is running out/has ran out, it's evident in their season so far, & how has Barcelona/Bayern munich gone so far....? That's just to differentiate between luck & quality.

What?

@ cocobul, chelsea were lucky, take it or leave it, proffessional analysts & football legends said Chelsea's triumph is not good for football. If chelsea were that good, why'd they lose out on every other trophy after that (community shield, super cup, club world cup), crashed out of the group stage of the UCL (first holder to do that) & now are out of the league cup, just shows how far enough luck can push a club. You don't like laliga: your choice. Just face facts & say the truth when you see it. Quality of laliga players is unparalled, the last 6years have seen the ballon d'or for coach & player in spain, EPL's only ballon d'or winner now plays in spain. EPL's too physical-cech, ramsey, eduardo, diaby, muamba...just to mention a few. It doesn't speak well of the league.

coogar: europa league is not elite europe.....it's a second tier competiton the english clubs don't care about. there's no financial motivation to play in europa league for english clubs particularly those in the title race or those fighting relegation - it's an extra piece of work. england have more domestic competitions than any other league in europe - adding europa league to the equation just tips the balance and the winner only gets €5m or £4m. what's it worth in england when relegating teams make as much as £40m?

there's no luck in football.
chelsea worked so hard to win that competition. their resilence, strong mentality and power won them the competition. barcelona were playing at home in the second leg. terry was sent off in the first half, barcelona even got a dodgy penalty to boost their qualification for the final and yet they still lost on aggregate. how's that luck? why haven't zaragoza use their luck to win the champions league in all these years or does luck only exist in big clubs? luck my whitebutt!

Sentiment! That's what you're oozing, if not you wouldn't have said Chelsea weren't lucky when you know the truth. Believe it or not, there's luck in football, but you have to work towards it, so i don't see why you're using 'zaragoza' as an example. Would you have placed your bet on zambia winning AFCON? Against the strong force of CIV, who were awarded a penalty (the same way barca was awarded against chelsea), but somehow drogba lost it, that's when you know there's luck. It doesn't happen often, but when it happens, it's amazing. You said europa league winners get €5m? Exaggeration! That's what you just did, go research it again.

coogar: see this odious tool comparing corruption in football to sales of clothes? tell me one reason the serie a have lost it's prestige amongst the category of top leagues in europe? you don't know nothing about credibility. do you know how many endorsements tiger woods lost when he was accused of infidelity? it seems you live under a rock. who wants to associate with corruption? certainly, not giant companies!



by the same token, anyone who saw chelsea UnCloth barcelona at nou camp with 10 men would know the premier league is the top league. a team that finished 6th in england destroyed the biggest team in spain(barcelona) and the biggest club in germany(bayern munich). if using one-off incident is the yardstick then i have plenty of examples to ram into your throat!



what is this simpleton talking about - we are talking about the quality across the league and he's still concentrating on the top 2 teams in la liga. do 2 teams make a league? of course not.....you have to look at the strength of other teams, what they have achieved in elite europe and the revenue they pull. only 2 teams exist in spain in elite europe - barcelona and real madrid. take those 2 clubs out of spain and there's no european glory for the others

in italy - ac milan, juventus and inter have won in elite europe....
in england - united, liverpool, chelsea, aston villa and forest have done it.
in germany, bayern, dortmund and hamburg have done it
in spain, only barca/madrid......i repeat, only barca and madrid......is that a league?

What a pity! Chelsea unclothed barca, are you for real? Chelsea greats and even present players agreed to the fact that they were lucky. This statement proves that you're an ignorant chelsea fan/barca critic. Chelsea were outplayed home & away, so you can't compare it to the comfortable trashing athletico bilbao/madrid gave man. united/chelsea respectively. You make so much noise about nott. forest winning the european cup, tell me where they are now. In elite europe, sevilla, valencia & athletico madrid have dominated the eufa cup/europa league over the last decade (& don't tell me it's less fancied because most winners qualify being 3rd in their UCL group), valencia have twice being finalists, & as a finalist, you're as good as the winner.

coogar: then it begs the question - why is a shyte league with poor quality of football more popular than the tiki taka league with top quality football? are you saying football fans all over the world are dumb and foolish?



i cannot count the number of times arsenal mopped the floor with villareal or liverpool beating barcelona(even at nou camp). arsenal eliminated real madrid in 2006. arsenal and liverpool are average sides in the premier league - when was the last time they won the english league, huh?



their players are not making the league look better - van persie, suarez, etc are making the english league look better. no spaniard has won the golden boot in the premier league or even come close to winning the pfa player award. let's tread carefully when we hype the spanish players - they play intricate football that suits their league - that style of play would not necessarily work in england and this is why barcelona always find it difficult to beat chelsea......:

Tell me why the English national team has been unable to do well @ major since they won the world cup decades ago? If you claim no spaniard won or have come close to winning the golden boot, check Torres' first season with Liverpool. Valencia has been in the UCL final, so you can't blame them for not winning it, & check the number of foreigners that were in the squad of any English club that wins the UCL & compare it to when a Spanish team wins it. EPL's popular no doubt, business & sponsorship deals does a whole lot. Is it a coincedence that Chelsea won their 1st UCL when they added a bit of Spanish flair to their game (Mata & Torres), or why do you think Swansea is getting applauds for their style of play?

Lero15: Arsenal, Tottenham and Swansea play gud futbol and they r all in England

Arsenal don't play good football anymore, Tottenham has always been good, & Swansea have spanish influence (4 spanish players & a manager who has played for Barca & R. Madrid)

GOZILLA: no I won't.

So you get my point? It shouldn't bother barca & madrid that the rest teams in spain don't have their quality, they should improve themselves (Ath. madrid & Malaga are already doing that). Arsenal used to be the pride of London but their inability to keep up has seen Chelsea overtake them.

akthedream: .Do u remember Liverpool humilating Real madrid(5-1 agg.) when Liverpool could not even make top 4?
..Do u remember Chelsea disgraced and dumped Barcelona out of the champions league with a man down(red card),2 goals down and a penalty awarded to Barcelona at Noeu camp?Chelsea did not even make top 4 last season.
..Do u remember Manchester city defeating Barcelona at Noeu camp..They were not in top 4 too.
..Do u remember Tottenham holding barcelona to a draw?they were not in top 4..
These are just a few to add to the above..Ever since the vice president of Laliga complained of match fixing in laliga,how many matches has Barcelona won?Should Platini resign today,it will be the end of Uefalona.

Lame points you made bro! When liverpool beat realmadrid, they had 5 spanish players & a spanish manager, alonso & arbeloa are now @ realmadrid, liverpool are nowhere to be found & you can see both their positions since then. Chelsea's case against Barca was down to their sheer determination & mostly LUCK, not cos they were better, it showed in the UCL final too, wonder why none of their made uefa's best XI? Mancity & spurs against Barca were pre-season (warm-up) matches. Face it, spain national team & laliga are the best.

Jarvis: almost every country in d world has a player playin in d epl.dats to tel u d quality of d lig.

That's not a criteria for knowing the 'best'. The only year the EPL produce a Ballon D'or winner was CR7 in 2OO8, & even CR7 himself is now playing in laliga & declared it the best.

coogar: but many were not shocked when arsenal demolished real madrid in 2006, when tottenham eliminated ac milan or when chelsea murdered bayern munich in the last edition of champions league final.

beauty is in the eyes of the beholder - you prefer tiki-taka, some other people prefer the direct football. you prefer swashbuckling attacking football but some fans want to see a well organised defensive football. so let's use the popularity vote(democracy) to settle this....

if the premier league is so shyte - why does it have more fans watching it in the whole wide world than any other league? some league games in the premier league have had 1 billion viewers watching it live - are you aware of that?

the premier league reign supreme over the others - it's not even debatable!

The argument is not about which league is bigger, but which is better. EPL is bigger & more popular, no doubt, but bigger doesn't mean better, you know?

GOZILLA: make una no worry. This is spain's time to shine. We will see where they will be in the next six years. My broda, if spanish league is the best,why is their national team made up of more than half of barca and R.madrid players? If a league can only boast of two strong teams,what does that tell you about the league?

Answer this question: If as an intelligent student, you find out that you're miles ahead of your peers academically, will you purposely lower your academic standards because people are complaining about the huge gap between you & your peers?

Honest answer.

GOZILLA: Op, ur points are useless. Seriously can you sit down and watch athletic bilboa and hercules play? Spanish league is boring abeg! Or why did u think the whole world comes to a standstill when barca and R.madrid play? Its because those are the teams that matter in that league. Blame the NFF for their inability to package our league not the EPL!

Baseless point, how can you choose a 'ath. bilbao vs hercules' as a reference to the topic, every league has its average team, even laliga & EPL, but remember that this same Athletic bilbao humiliated Man. United last season, so if the world stands still for El-classico, it's because they're the best two teams in the world, you're obviously an EPL fan. Truth be told, spain has revolutionalised football over the last 6years, that's why they're world/european champions & produce the best coaches & players.

elampiro: Am I missing something from the story or I just didn't understand it? I have slept inside my car twice overnight, and completely wound up. I didn't put on the AC, I slept and I woke up very strong.

Didn't you see the children's ages? Even some paper bags come with 'Keep away from children, to avoid suffocation' sign, let alone cars.

ayox2003: Look at his face like that of Ibori in prison.

Its in Nigeria that these crooks live like gods.

London nailed Ibori, SA nailed Okah, can't justice be done in Nigeria anymore?

Is it only goat-thieves, divorce cases and "poverty-driven" crimes that can be handled in courts?

Once an highly-connected criminal is involved, just forget it.

Infact most of them Judge belong to one political party or the other.


Shame on our justice system!


Frawzey

Justice in Nigeria, REALLY? The people'll lynch him, that's Nigeria's definition of justice. SMH.

So what? Is this news? Why not put it when Barca where winning matches? Mtchewww. The OP must be a Barca critic/R.Madrid fan. Like it or not, laliga is Barca's to lose and Lionel Messi'll win six Ballon D'or. Haters can go pray ontop transformer.

You're welcome.

Thank you for creating a forum for all to learn, educate(d), its been worth the while.

I'm proud it's Nigerian.

[quote author=Mr.thunzzz09]may god punish u n dat ur poison called gay. U r seriously sick. God! U stink n disgust me. Wot if all ur kids, male n female, decide nt 2 marry n choose homo instead? Apart frm leaving diz fools 2 enjoy dia unnatural plessure, wot gud again do u tink wil cum out of dis act? Ple like u think wit dia a55. U r a disgrace 2 mankind![/quote]You better relax, cos if you kill yourself, i won't lose sleep. Unnatural pleasure you call it...if you don't know what it's like, how would you know what kinda pleasure they get from it? Yours isn't to know what good comes out of it, it's a matter of choice, not force...or is anyone forcing you to do it? You can't force your opinion on everyone, take it or leave it. God punishes every sin, not only homosëxüalism, and you're not exempt, so get that into your thick skull.

donchris369: All these human rights group self. So every man can do anything he wants to do because of his right? Then since the are fighting for gays right, they should also fight for the incestous human right, they should also fight for bestialility human rights*man to animal*, they should fight for legalization of weeds, they should fight for boko haram rights too bomb freely, they should infact fight for every human right in the world so far as that is what gives every human joy let us see were we will end. Why choose some perverse way of life and condemn others, is it not the same human right? The day they will pass the law in nigeria to legalize gay i will start my own human rights and fight for boko haram right to bomb, by the way it is their way of life and orientation too. Let us see were the society will lead us too at the end of day.

Weeds (too much) can make a man lose his mind, terrorists destroys lives and properties. Maybe you need to be paid a visit by terrorists/suicide bombers, then i'll see if you'll still protest for their right. It's common sense.

emeka50: Why don't u shut the Bleep up....do we true nigerians tell or ask u that we want to start fucking our fellow men in the asss?......if u love men...just go across nigeria's boundary and have fun....smh for u.....u want make baba God send down fire and brimstone shey...anuoffia...

So, it's homosëxúalism that'll make baba God send down fire and brimstone abi? SMH for you. FYI, if God wants to show his annoyance, the world 'll have been over by now.

ignis: Barbaric is an understatement, its highly inhuman and satanic. The people whose image are captured there, should face life imprisonment for taking laws into their hands. This will serve as a deterrent to others.

I'm telling you bro, someone needs to be made a scapegoat.

Pique, abeg no lose form oh.

SANCTO: They acted list beasts and were treated likewise.Thumbs up to the people of Ekwe community. They even tried to spare the lives of those devilish Homosexuals because their actions (Homosexuality) is an abomination and it attracts capital punishment.

Please don't ever drag law enforcement agencies into this matter. Allow the community to take care of them.
Am an advocate of traditional institution. Had it been we allow our tradition to take its course, all these rubbish in the land would have stopped.

Nigeria Legislature should whittle down the excesses of all these so called HUMAN RIGHT GROUPS, who collects bribe to protest every right decision by government or groups.

Oh really? No wonder 'aluu4' matter just died like that. Anyway, wait till it happens to one of your own. #GodhelpNigeria

klax: Open up and tell us if you are one of the boloks period then we know you and identify you right away. But when a country say No this is not acceptable so why not you just listen and foget all these craps silly things called gay or ga whatevercat you??

The Western world has ruined the entire world with their filthy way wardness and this was part of the things that gave birth to Terrorism we are suffering for today because in Islamiic world the West are term a "Pollutant" which is somehow correct thereby angered people like Bin Laden seeking for clean society and embrace Sharia and Sharia gave birth finally to Terrorism here we are now. If gay are beaten up good for them as a matter of fact their joystick should be amputated from their body since they dont need it period.

Should i applaud you or what? My GOD! You sound so ignorant, Nigeria says no to homosexuälísm, why? Religion, culture and what have you. Even with the 'no' status Nigeria has on homosëxualism, do you know how many homosëxuals we have in the country? You'll be suprised if you did. The west might be termed whatever but they're still the most developed of all continents, they're not as religious as Africa. Even with the high level of Africa's religious status, they still have the most corrupt leaders.

Sharia law, really? Sounds like you prefer that, well suit yourself...you said it yourself, thanks to IT, we have terrorists and suicide bombers.

ijebabe: Nigeria is not religious. It is filled with hypocrites and blood thirsty cowards.

Yes. That, tribalism and a whole lot more is halting her development. You'll be amazed if you know the crime most of these mobsters commit. SMH

mankand: are you sick upstairs? How on earth..... This is africa and not america who are happily walking towards their doomsday... Imagine yourself kissing and romancing your fellow man... Even a mad man cannot try it... Or perhaps you are one

America walking towards doom? Nigeria nko? #iLaff. One man's poison is another man's meat.